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China Censors Online Discussion About Panama Papers (bbc.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from BBC: China appears to be censoring social media posts on the Panama Papers document leak which has named several members of China's elite, including President Xi Jinping's brother-in-law. Hundreds of posts on networks such as Sina Weibo and Wechat on the topic have been deleted since Monday morning. According to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), the Panama Papers show that Mr. Deng acquired two offshore companies in 2009, at a time when Mr. Xi was rising in politics. State media appeared to black out the news. But many on microblogging network Sina Weibo and mobile chat network Wechat were discussing the topic on Monday morning, sharing Chinese translations of details of the story, including information on Mr. Deng. A hashtag created on the topic quickly trended. Checks by the BBC found that by the end of the day many of those posts had disappeared, with at least 481 discussions deleted from the hashtag's Weibo topic page, and other posts shared on Wechat also deleted. The website Freeweibo.com, which actively tracks censorship on Weibo, listed "Panama" as the second-most censored term on the network.
Weibo is heavily censored, but there are alternative search engines for weibo which are outside of China's jurisdiction
One example is https://freeweibo.com/
For example, in the 'Panama Papers' case, (if you know Mandarin), you do not enter the "Pa Na Ma" in pu tong hua as they are, but using alternative words to search
Despite the hundreds of thousands of censors from China, there are still a lot of conversations taking place, even inside weibo, regarding the "Panama Papers"
Upon further digging, I found out that weibo might be censored, but the "Panama Papers" has proven to be too hot to contain
http://www.jianshu.com/p/463d19e7f47a?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0
The above link is an example - it is a link from the Jian Shu province of China, and the author of the comment has dished out quite a lot of details, including the photocopy of the passport of the daughter of a former Chinese premier
I do not know how long the above link will remain valid - but the existence of the above link is a proof that the "Panama Papers" has spread throughout the Chinese online world
No, it won't. China will simply call the papers a handiwork of western forces to undermine China. It will call the papers as baseless and fabricated. Nevertheless they will promise to investigate the issue further. Pause for a few months. The issue will be forgotten. Things will be as they were. Things like 'blowing up' happen in the west. Not so in the east. The west tries to advocate and follow democracy. The east tries to advocate and follow corruption. Corruption can buy corruption.
"Blowing up" doesn't happen in the West anymore, either. Have you seen any reaction to the Wikileaks Cable affair? The Snowden files? Nothing. No riots. No boycotts. No calls for resignations. People are too busy worrying about their next meal - not what it will be but IF it will be - to protest. And protesting would only jeopardize what little they have to hold on to. It's over. They could release a video on corporate CEOs and heads of state feasting on human babies' ribs and nobody would do anything. It's not that people do not care: they just understand they're powerless and acting (or rather, not-acting) accordingly.
As an EU citizen, I'm appalled that Chinese citizens don't have free access to information and don't have free speech. This is wrong and goes against everything we believe in. It is our duty to spread our freedom to the world and demand that non-free countries become free. If necessary, we should use force. I'm advocating going to war with China and the United States for the good of the people in those countries. It's unacceptable for leaders to censor information that might make them look bad. We're free to speak out against our governments, spread any ideas we desire, and read or hear any information that might be available. That includes things that are damaging to our leaders. This freedom is a human right. We have a duty to demand human rights for all. If China doesn't allow free access to information, we should go to war with them. If the United States doesn't allow free access to information, we need to go to war with them, as well. Freedom is more important than even political and military alliances.
No riots. No boycotts. No calls for resignations. People are too busy worrying about their next meal - not what it will be but IF it will be - to protest.
The Icelanders don't agree.
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From what I've heard about China, this is a big deal. Living in or near China, people generally say they're allowed to talk online, even criticizing the government, so long as they don't plan to meet. As soon as the talk turns toward actions, it becomes verboten. (Someone living in China, please correct me if I'm wrong.)
So this must be quite a big deal. It'll be interesting to see whether there's aftermath to the censorship.
A cat can't teach a dog to bark.
>China has been surprisingly open WRT to the Panama Papers
What are you talking about? This is an article about China censoring those papers. That is kind of the opposite of being "surprisingly open".
You poseurs vote for the same D / R people in ever election.
People do change. Elect a nice guy and he becomes an asshole.
That is a human nature and there is not much to do about that.
See Stanford experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If we really want to irritate them we give them an ultiminium: Mr. Jinping, tear down this firewall!
Really? Do a google search on "Panama Papers". Hell, it even has a wikipedia page on them. And no one stopping you from going to Guardian and reading them. I suspect the U.S. doesn't give a flying rat's ass about them. Not that many Americans had accounts with the Panamanian firm, those that do mainly seem to have them for purchasing property in L. America. Also, the U.S. has rather lax laws, so there was no need to go to Panama.
There is speculation that the U.S.'s own Panama, Delaware, will have to open up but I have my doubts. Their financial cesspool of legislation makes a lot of money for the state. Many companies incorporate there because of their lax laws. They are also the kingpin in bankruptcies...case in point, SCO, but they are small potatoes to what's really going on there.
This is gaining traction here in Canada as well. Apparently enough so that they're telling the tax auditors at the CRA(think IRS for Americans) to get the papers, and find out who's cheating at it Apparently the largest bank in Canada(RBC) has been caught up in in it as well. And the minister responsible for the CRA is demanding that there be an offical investigation and review of the entire tax code, though what I heard earlier there are members within the Liberal Party(party in power), trying to stop that from happening. There's also apparently stuff relating directly to some members of the current party in power here in Canada and off-shoring, and people are now getting right pissed. Comment sections in general are completely rabid in terms of this going on here. Can't forget either that Canada currently has a serious problem with countries trying or successfully using real estate here in Canada for tax washing. One of the reasons why Vancouver and Toronto housing prices have continued to become insanely overpriced. Something that the average canuck has been complaining about for ~6 years now.
Om, nomnomnom...
China's political party turns back from the sea, into the desert. They speak of corruption, but in reality, when faced with it, in their families, they do nothing. So much for 'communism'. Really, they are oligarchs.
Ever heard the term "obvious troll is obvious"?
Very simple, they have their money in Delaware, and because when they put your money there, they didn't have to go through some Panama based company, and hence, they are not on the list.
Obama lectures us like a pious college professor about inequality/Islam and yet he stashes his loot in off shore banks.
Obama hasn't earned Big Money yet. You don't earn a lot when you are the president of the United States. You make Big Money after your terms by giving talks starting at $100,000 per hour, and peddling influence. Hell, next year, Obama could offer a cup of his piss or shit on eBay and folks would bid for it.
I bet Hillary does the same shit
Being that she was cozy with Wall Street types . . . that's pretty much a given. Her customers are used to doing Panama deals.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Really, no Americans?
Anyway, meanwhile in Iceland...
If I ever become wealthy and mad, I'll leave Companion Cubes on desert islands for shipwreck survivors.
That's simply not true. The first name outed was a famous get-rich-quick female from the US. She paid $30,000 to set up a shell company using a fake owner (90 year old man in the UK), and paid $10,000pa thereafter. Whenever she wants access to her illegal monies, it is withdrawn under his name but passed to her. Yes, it is illegal. All US citizens and resident aliens have to declare all bank accounts (routing/sort-code, acc#) with their respective balances, regardless of where they are around the world, to the IRS on the annual tax returns.
Fuck off back to the Daily Mail where all the other rotten teeth cunts lurk, tosser.
Delaware does not hide income. It's simply a state without state tax. Perhaps you've heard of Florida and Nevada, same thing. Incorporating in such a state does not hide income from the government. It is all declared on the IRS annual accounts by law. The fact a few dollars isn't taxed in the registered state is meaningless, it will be taxed were the corp operates. Any properties are taxed by the local city/county. The reason Delaware was popular (it isn't now), was simply because they would not give out registration details to the public, unlike other states or countries like the UK.
Your ignorance of US taxation suggest you need to do some research, as does the reporter. Delaware inc is 1980-90s, the world has moved on. Incorporating in a state that raises money from tourism works for those that live in these states too. They don't pay state tax either. Payroll is another matter, regardless of where the paperwork is registered. Corps still pay employer and employee taxes for where they do business and employ people. There is no getting around that. The fact a given state may not have it's hands in a corp's pocket doesn't stop the IRS from reaching in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Consortium_of_Investigative_Journalists
just see who funds the icij then talk about china censoring results.
Hint: it's the us gov plus many big interests groups.
Shocking!
No Americans THAT ACTUALLY MATTER...US Senators? US Pollys? US Company CEOs? US Banking execs? Where are they in this list?....and you tell me there is no censorship in the US media.
The REAL problem with the Panama Papers is that they were turned over to the mainstream media outlets, who have ONLY published dirt on people who we already knew were dirty. And people are noticing:
http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2016/04/the-panama-papers-where-are-the-americans-000083
Here's a "partial list" of people named in the Panama Papers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_named_in_the_Panama_Papers
This article is not even findable via Google no matter how specific you are with the search terms:
http://undergroundreporter.org/something-oddly-missing-from-largest-leak-since-snowden/
Now, I know this is going to sound like conspiracy theory talk, but who benefits from this leak? Western power brokers, that's who. Their foreign contemporaries are all now embattled, especially that Icelandic guy who had the nerve to *gasp* allow the banks to fail after the GFC. What fucking cheek!
A post from lower down:
"dig deeper you american idiots. While I have no love for the people targeted by this *leak*, for the most part the people targeted are enemies of the US state and the American banking cartel: Putin, Chinese dudes, that dude from Iceland whose country had the balls to default on the banks, and the list goes on. Then you have the lack of information actually released (wake me when I can get the torrent on the pirate bay) - thus nothing was actually *released*. And that this information was bought to you by a George Friggin Sorros of all people..."
"To get rich is glorious." remember?
The difference between Chinese and Americans is that the Chinese understand they are ruled by the mob; the Americans still believe in Unicorns and Santa Clause. Chinese know to get licenses and permits, whip out the banknotes. Americans, they only know to bitch, moan, and grovel.
This is the logical equivalent of "Well, the Americans don't seem to like Hitler, soooo...."
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
If you read the criticism section of that very page you'll see a lot of good reasons to disregard that experiment. No controls in place, for example. You can't say anything about human behaviour based off that experiment IMO. I'm not opining on the broader question of power corrupting people. Sure, it seems to have a tendency to.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
David Cameron doesn't seem to be benefitting. Do we not include his dad because it doesn't fit your theory?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I suspect the U.S. doesn't give a flying rat's ass about them.
Either that or censorship over here doesn't operate in the blatant, simplistic fashion that it does in China.
You get 2 when you log in mate, long as you haven't been posting shit like that all the time. Looks like you didn't know something, which I bet is really weird for you. I see you cut and paste that same post from earlier too. Hmmm.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Putin, Xi, and some no name american chick
Neither Putin nor Xi were on the list. You're basically white noise.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
For some reason, that Icelandic guy wasn't premier minister, wenn Iceland defaulted. He only became premier minister in 2013, while the Icelandic banking crisis was in 2009. That punches some little, very little hole in your theory.
No Americans THAT ACTUALLY MATTER...US Senators? US Pollys? US Company CEOs? US Banking execs? Where are they in this list?
They are not on the list because in America it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to use your influence to get rich. So there is no need to hide the wealth. Senators collect money from lobbyists, and use the revolving door to become lobbyists. American CEOs and bankers make far more than their European counterparts, mostly in leveraged stock options. There is no need to hide the money, since is is all above board.
Senior UK Tory donors and the British PM's own dad are people the US doesn't like?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
My understanding is that the Americans will be released in a separate list.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Or at 50. ahhh. Except for that balding part. Have little control over that - except for taking a razor to it.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
I'm pretty old. I think they're pulling your chain. The only thing I can remember is a paper company by that name. I'm not sure if they were bought out by IP or GP, however. I'm mostly familiar with IP and GP, I've bought land from both of their remaining entities.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
A shame? You look at it wrong. Not at all - that was a brilliant bit of baiting. You might even say that the AC is a Master Baiter.
Trolls are gonna troll. I appreciate reading the replies to a good troll. Sometimes they make you think. Sometimes they're even right. Hell, sometimes it's the right thing to do.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The Icelandic president has just gone. Who next?
actually you can download the data.
Same page that lets you do a search of the data by name, company, country, etc.
love the taste, hate the texture
It's not that we don't care. It's more that it wouldn't shock us, it's pretty much what we expect from them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I believe they also had some favorable regulations for banking/lending institutions for quite a while. I'm not sure if they still do. You see a bunch of credit card companies out of there - as well as insurance. I want to say that there were favorable laws for insurance as well but that might actually just be because of the process of incorporating there.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
At your link, my translator turns "Helvítis Fokking Fokk!" into "Fucking Hell Jib!" The first two words, I've got. But, what's jib in this context? Well, other than a nautical term? It is, IIRC, a type of sail. I guess that could be a throwback to the days of longboats. I dunno... But, at any rate, I tried the mighty Google and it's not being all that helpful.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Including those named in the Unaoil scandal, which has been conveniently pushed off the front pages.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Uh, I am a US citizen, and I have never declared my bank account information to the IRS - except to tell them where to send my refund deposit. Now, if you have an account that pays interest (which hardly any checking accounts do these days) you have to declare the interest income, but all you do is list the amount and (maybe, it's been a while since I had to do this) the name of the institution. And you don't have to direct-deposit your refunds - the IRS will still send you a physical check if you request one.
From what I read this morning, it may be because the U.S. has a separate tax agreement with Panama. So U.S. citizens may not have been able to hide stuff there as readily as people in other countries.
Remember, we... *ahem*... "liberated" them from their president in the late 1980's. I'm sure we got them to make all kinds of agreements while we occupied the country.
-- I have monkeys in my pants.
Your bank does, silly.
"no one stopping you from going to Guardian and reading them" ... the Panama Papers?? Really? The public can read them all?
I was about to slam the AC for this one, then Googled it myself:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
Though I doubt Hillary had anything to do with this issue, it does make her look bad as the ultimate manager of the department.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?