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Ubuntu Budgie Could Be The New Flavor of Ubuntu Linux (softpedia.com)

prisoninmate writes: Budgie-Remix maintainer David Mohammed informs Softpedia about the progress made with the upcoming operating system, whose ultimate goal is to become an official Ubuntu Linux flavor, possibly under the name of Ubuntu Budgie. Even Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth said in a Google+ comment last month that it will definitely support if there is a community around the packaging. Since their initial report, it looks like the developer managed to get in contact with the Ubuntu MATE project leader Martin Wimpress, who urged him to target Ubuntu 16.10 for an official status of his soon-to-be-named Ubuntu flavor built on top of the Budgie desktop environment created by the team of developers from Solus Project.

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  1. Bubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Bubuntu".
    Just saying.

  2. I'm sure it'll go down a tweet by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

    *hides*

    1. Re:I'm sure it'll go down a tweet by PPH · · Score: 2

      It's not down. Just pining for the fjords.

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  3. Great summary by chispito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be nice if, in the summary, you told me what makes "Budgie" different from every other kind of Ubuntu.

    Side note: Is it really a good idea to distinguish your Ubuntu flavor with an animal? I know it's not "Bodacious Budgie" or something along those lines, but it could be confusing nonetheless.

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    1. Re:Great summary by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Informative

      It would be nice if, in the summary, you told me what makes "Budgie" different from every other kind of Ubuntu. Side note: Is it really a good idea to distinguish your Ubuntu flavor with an animal? I know it's not "Bodacious Budgie" or something along those lines, but it could be confusing nonetheless.

      Budgie is a DE, like Xfce and GNOME: https://solus-project.com/budg...

      The Ubuntu flavors are differentiated by their name (Xfce: Xubuntu, KDE: Kubuntu, etc.), and the animal names designate the release number (16.04 will be "Xenial Xerus" for all of the flavors).

    2. Re:Great summary by chispito · · Score: 1

      Tried to say thanks. Not sure what posting rule of Slashdots that I broke such that my comment was removed. Should have looked at the preview closer.

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    3. Re:Great summary by justthinkit · · Score: 2

      You can't find your comment because it looks almost exactly like its parent comment.

      You added just one sentence, in the middle of the comment. Otherwise the two look very similar.

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    4. Re:Great summary by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Do you need us to define LMGTFY as well?

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    5. Re:Great summary by hairyfeet · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Its yet ANOTHER desktop environment, because Linux has such a shortage of desktop environments. I swear to God that DEs and fricking text editors seem to be the only damned things that gets made in Linux land anymore.

      Because that is what Linux needs to really take off, not a better Windows translation layer so it can run all the bazillion Windows programs that Linux has zero equivalent of, or a way to run Windows drivers so the mountains of hardware that doesn't work or works poorly and gets piss poor support from the devs can actually work...nope, yet another DE, that's the ticket!

      And people wonder why MSFT can put out "Windows 10: Eye of Sauron Edition" and the only "competition" they have to worry about is Windows 7....sigh.

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    6. Re:Great summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Ubuntu flavors are differentiated by their name (Xfce: Xubuntu, KDE: Kubuntu, etc.), and the animal names designate the release number (16.04 will be "Xenial Xerus" for all of the flavors).

      So, Bubuntu? :)

    7. Re:Great summary by Holi · · Score: 1

      No we need good references. Why should we do the editors work for them? Telling people to google stuff that should have been included is lazy and assholish.

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    8. Re:Great summary by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an idiot.

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    9. Re:Great summary by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I only have a Windows PC because I wanted a Unity 3D dev box. Windows 10 is much nicer than 7 and 8.1.

    10. Re:Great summary by fnj · · Score: 1

      Not sure what posting rule of Slashdots that I broke such that my comment was removed.

      Your comment wasn't removed at all, but you screwed up the formatting. You quoted the entire thing so it looks exactly like you're just parroting somebody without adding anything. How did you let that get past the preview?

    11. Re:Great summary by chispito · · Score: 1

      Despite what you're suggesting, AC, I actually was grateful for the information his response provided. It was more useful than my original post. I could not mod it up because I posted the parent.

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    12. Re:Great summary by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I don't get is why having a different desktop environment requires a whole different distribution. Why not just give the option when installing it instead of having all these supposedly different distributions with different names?

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    13. Re:Great summary by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Budgie is a DE

      And what is a DE ? Sorry, but two letter acronyms are ungooglable.

    14. Re:Great summary by jofas · · Score: 1

      Desktop Environment, you casual.

    15. Re: Great summary by p91paul · · Score: 2

      Desktop Environment. A DE usually includes a window manager, panels, widgets, some kind of control center (i.e. power management, screensaver settings, ...) , and some applications like a file manager, a browser, a terminal emulator, etc...

    16. Re:Great summary by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You should be able to fix that by changing your desktop theme..but I've no experience with Dell, so I may be wrong.

      Check System_Settings :: Workspace_Appearance :: Desktop_Theme

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    17. Re:Great summary by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Because that is what Linux needs to really take off, not a better Windows translation layer

      You're surprised that linux users and developers are more interested in linux software than in windows software? Most of us never use Wine and have no interest in it. Linux development is not generally done as a marketing tactic to try to win over windows users.

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    18. Re:Great summary by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I love that out of everything in this thread, the parents post is what someone decided was +4 Interesting. :-)

    19. Re:Great summary by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You mean it isn't a development environment?

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  4. They've been going downhill since Halo 3 by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Funny

    No way am I buying an OS from them.

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  5. Thank Goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've been following the Solus project for quite some time and had several conversations with the lead developer (Ikey - https://github.com/ikeydoherty). It's refreshing to have a project leader be such a stubborn advocate for the Linux desktop at a time when everyone else (or at least Canonical & Co.) are focusing solely on mobile and tablets. The vast majority of us Ubuntu users have slowly watched the desktop age and lack the attention it needs in the name of convergence - this could be the thing that makes me want to run Ubuntu again.

  6. Just to make a point... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Informative

    I see a lot of comments like "I would use Ubuntu but Unity sucks" or "I was an Ubuntu fan until Unity ruined it." If Budgie-Ubuntu becomes an official flavor, that will bring the number of officially supported DEs up to 7: MATE, KDE Plasma, Xfce (which is actually supported in two separate official flavors, Xubuntu and Ubuntu Studio), LXDE, GNOME 3, Unity, and Budgie. There is also some talk of making Enlightenment and Cinnamon officially supported. (See: http://www.ubuntu.com/download... )

    1. Re:Just to make a point... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      There is also some talk of making Enlightenment and Cinnamon officially supported.

      They need Cinnamon, end of story. They could have 100 different desktop environments, it doesn't matter if none are as good as Cinnamon. I just switched from Ubuntu to Mint (despite the security breach). Cinnamon is what a desktop environment on a PC should look like.

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    2. Re:Just to make a point... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      There is also some talk of making Enlightenment and Cinnamon officially supported.

      They need Cinnamon, end of story. They could have 100 different desktop environments, it doesn't matter if none are as good as Cinnamon. I just switched from Ubuntu to Mint (despite the security breach). Cinnamon is what a desktop environment on a PC should look like.

      There is a not-officially-supported Ubuntu ISO which is preinstalled with Cinnamon: http://www.cubuntu.fr/

      Use what you like, I'm just letting you know :P

    3. Re:Just to make a point... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I've used KDE, Gnome2, Gnome 1.8, Gnome 3, XFCE, XPde, Unity, Enlightenment, and IceWM as primary DEs for extended periods. The best one I've ever used was Gnome 3. I interact with it the least: when I need to do something, it happens quickly and efficiently, and I'm on a new desktop with whatever window I need doing whatever it was I was trying to do instead of playing with the DE.

    4. Re:Just to make a point... by fnj · · Score: 1

      number of officially supported DEs up to 7

      This is a bit of a carp, but I find this kind of thinking, and the whole concept of distro "flavors", mildly annoying. The number of "officially supported" DEs equals the number of DEs packaged in the official repos, period. I don't know precisely what that number is, because there is a lack of descriptive indexing of exactly what is in the repos, but there is certainly no dependence on having a "flavor" differentiated

    5. Re:Just to make a point... by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of comments like "I would use Ubuntu but Unity sucks" or "I was an Ubuntu fan until Unity ruined it." If Budgie-Ubuntu becomes an official flavor, that will bring the number of officially supported DEs up to 7:

      All of them corrupted from cold POST by systemd. #DeckChairs

    6. Re:Just to make a point... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      There is a not-officially-supported Ubuntu ISO which is preinstalled with Cinnamon: http://www.cubuntu.fr/

      Thanks, but that sounds like a recipe for trouble.

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    7. Re:Just to make a point... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu: An ancient African word meaning "too pragmatic to install debian".

      Ubuntu has some innovations such as launchpad integration and PPAs but I can't say I miss much running Mate on upstream debian.

      (it's Canonical's non-desktop development that holds some interest - I might give Ubuntu Touch another try on my phone once I file a bug on network-specific 3G data support.)

    8. Re:Just to make a point... by jimmux · · Score: 1

      Surely "Cinnabuntu" would be a more appealing name?

  7. Re:Another day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Distros and Remixes are completely different. A remix is where the exact same repositories are used, just that the installer bootstraps a different set of packages. This means that as soon as core Ubuntu gets an security update, the remix will get the same.

    Linux Mint made the mistake of becoming a separate distro, meaning that they had to review security updates, etc. If they'd simply focused on getting cinnamon, nemo, etc into the official Ubuntu repositories, they would now be view more favorably after their breach.

  8. Apparently it's about a new DE by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    Apparently it's a new DE for the next Ubuntu LTS release and forward.
    Here's a project link.

    It has the vibe of a Korora/OzoneOS or Elementary ripp, both of which look way more mature than this "Ubuntu Budgie" thing.

    I don't get the buzz.
    Looks like a project in pre-alpha stage, if you ask me.

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  9. Lubuntu compared to Budgie-Remix by khz6955 · · Score: 1

    How does Budgie-Remix compare to Lubuntu?

  10. Re:But does it use systemd? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    It will probably use systemd. I think that upstart is officially dead now, latest release was in september 2014.

  11. Still won't use it by tom229 · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu lost me a long time ago when they started doing everything their own way despite the cries of the community. If anything both Ubuntu and Android has taught us it's that an operating system simply being open source is not enough to guarantee user freedom. The Arch Linux philosophy is to provide the core services of a Linux distribution and then get the fuck out of the way. Other projects can then build their idea of an OS on top of the Arch core. If one flavor of Arch gets out of control we can move on. This seems to be a much healthier approach to OS design. Anyone currently using Ubuntu, I would recommend check out Antergos. It will start impressing you right away by letting you choose from 8 or so DM's from the same installer. I say this as nothing more than a happy Antergos user for almost 2 years.

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    1. Re:Still won't use it by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      That's really only been an issue for Mir, and I think Canonical turned out to be right on that matter: they're now selling converged-desktop mobile devices with Mir, whereas Wayland is still alpha-quality. In the other cases: Canonical actually invented Bazaar before git became the norm, and they've since switched to git. They dropped Upstart in favor of systemd.

    2. Re:Still won't use it by tom229 · · Score: 1

      There's many more differences than this. While doing my linux systems administrator certification some time back I remember continuously running into disclaimers: if you're certifying with Ubuntu the process is a bit different. They have their own display manager, they manage config files for many popular applications differently, and they've shown a general culture of trying to lead the pack into whatever their vision for personal computing happens to be at that time. Virtually all software companies do this today so it might not seem that strange to you, I just don't believe that's how an operating system should behave.

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    3. Re:Still won't use it by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      they're now selling converged-desktop mobile devices with Mir, whereas Wayland is still alpha-quality.

      Wayland works pretty well on my phone. What's alpha about it?

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  12. just restin' by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu Budgie Could Be The New Flavor of Ubuntu Linux

    I prefer albatross flavor.

  13. Re:Another day by rdelsambuco · · Score: 1

    > 50% of human beings? What a dubious statement.

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  14. Re:Another day by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    > 50% of human beings? What a dubious statement.

    Ummm... What are you replying to?

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  15. What happens when he sells out? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    Yesterday there was a thread about some popular Chrome extension. The original developer who built trust sold it out On March 23. The buyer loaded it up with malware, session hijacks, routing through shady proxies etc. Took about 2 weeks for Google to eventually pull the extension off. In the comments I saw some android apps too have the same issue.

    Now what happens when a distro developer builds a loyal following and then sells out?

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    1. Re:What happens when he sells out? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      It would be somewhat easier for a malware author to buy out one of the hundreds of revenueless linux distros than to purchase Microsoft.

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  16. Re:Ho hum... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    Your last sentence is key there. If people like making GUIs, what's the point of complaining? Why do you care? They're giving them away to the world for free to use in case anybody wants it. Perhaps the time could be better spent elsewhere, but it's still practically a service of charity.

    This highlights the difference between FLOSS and proprietary systems. If you hate how mangled the GUI is in the newest version of macOS or Windows, you're screwed. But Linux and the BSDs have a lot of great options to one's preference.

  17. Re:Another day by The123king · · Score: 1

    Most people prefer Coke over Pepsi. Doesn't mean that everyone in the world has drunk both and can make an informed choice. Just means the ones who have tried one or the other prefer Coke. Maybe "I don't want straight Ubuntu. I want Mint. So do many other users of Debian-based GNU/Linux Operating Systems." would have been a better choice of words for you grammar nazis out there. I

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  18. Oh, hurray... by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

    ... another Windows Start Menu clone.

  19. Re:Another day by The123king · · Score: 2

    THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS. Gave up with Ubuntu after every single fecking update broke something. If it's not sound, it's graphics. if it's neither, then there's some other obscure piece of hardware, such as the parallel interface or the USB ports. Users want a stable API/ABI, not something that's going to change in 3 weeks. Why do you think Windows has been so successful since Win95. Because everything works. It might be an unreliable and unsafe heap of turd, but it'll run my back catalog of applications, which quite often may have cost more than the machine running it.

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  20. Re:Another day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you are not aware that Linux Mint uses the Ubuntu repositories for their main edition, so they get security updates at the same time as their parent distro? The same goes for Mint's Debian edition, the package manager pulls directly from Debian's security repository. There is no delay or review by the Mint developers required.

  21. Budgies? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    "Show me your budgies."

    "Budgies? Budgies? We don't need no stinkin' budgies."

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  22. Re:Another day by Merk42 · · Score: 1

    > 50% of human beings? What a dubious statement.

    Ummm... What are you replying to?

    The breach had nothing to do with the distro. I like the fact that they try not to have things break when Ubuntu does. I don't want straight Ubuntu. I want Mint. So do most other people.

    emphasis mine

  23. Sneak it into the repos by Kryptonut · · Score: 1

    And then you can call it "Ubuntu Budgie Smuggler"

  24. Re:I don't know Clark by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    I'm from Victoria and I'd honestly never heard of the expression until a federal politician decided to parade his manliness, apparently quite seductive to rusted-on Liberal-voters, in red Speedos.