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PayPal Pulls North Carolina Plan After Transgender Bathroom Law (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: PayPal Holdings Inc on Tuesday canceled plans to open a global operations center in Charlotte, North Carolina and invest $3.6 million in the area after the state passed a controversial law targeting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) citizens. In a letter on March 29, founders and chief executives of more than a hundred companies, including Apple Inc, Twitter Inc, and Alphabet Inc urged North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory to repeal the legislation.
PayPal is one of the first companies to protest the controversial measure requiring people to use bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and other public facilities that match the gender on their birth certificate rather than their gender identity. "The new law perpetuates discrimination and it violates the values and principles that are at the core of PayPal's mission and culture," Chief Executive Officer Dan Schulman said in a statement. PayPal's original plan was to open the operations center in Charlotte and employ 400 skilled workers there.
If you have a penis, use the boys room. If you don't you'll make everyone else in the womens room uncomfortable.
there are many people with a penis that would look entirely inappropriate in a boys room.
What if some regular schmuck decides for the lulz to dress up as a women for a day and go all perv in womens room?
then hes committed a number of already existing criminal infractions such as disorderly conduct or sexual assault at worst. men already do this. this law wont fix the problem
At this point why not make all restrooms communal or unisex?
Here in West Hollywood, we kinda did. instead of passing a law that stated gender normative restrooms had to be enforced we did the opposite. we made a law that states all restrooms have to be accessible by both genders. Some smaller bars and restaraunts just made both their restrooms locking unisex. Larger night clubs and hotels converted to an architectural model that provides a fully closed rack of stalls, and around a corner enclosed urinals with privacy partitions.
Good people go to bed earlier.
This bill isn't "about" bathrooms (that's just one provision of many, probably added so that people like the submitter can spin the backlash as being about that).
The far more significant provision (the one which actually has PayPal and others abandoning the state) is the one which explicitly permits business to discriminate against LGBT employees and customers under the guise of "religious freedom".
Sorry, AC... Gender is not defined by your thoughts.
Isn't it? I thought the point of the modern concept of 'gender' was to distinguish what exists at the level of narrative, from 'sex' which exists biologically? Gender is defined by words (mind), sex by chromosomes (matter). Or?
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
Sorry, AC... Gender is not defined by your thoughts.
noun
1. either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior:
the feminine gender.
Compare sex (def 1).
2. a similar category of human beings that is outside the male/female binary classification and is based on the individual's personal awareness or identity.
See also third gender.
Stop bullshitting. It was done to ensure individual communities couldn't pass laws that prohibit discrimination. In other words, the Jesus-yokels in the state house said "We're looking at YOU, Raleigh, Charlotte, and especially you hippies in Asheville, and we don't like you getting all fag-friendly and whatnot."
The law also limits the definition of sex to the sex at birth, meaning that even if someone was a complete post-op transsexual, they're still considered be their original sex by the state.
You're as entitled to your opinion on this as anyone else, but at least have the balls to admit what the law really is, instead of all this double-talk about "different and contradictory laws" in different communities. What happened to that conservative maxim of keeping power out of the hands of central government and letting local communities decide what's best? Oh, that was hypocrisy? What a shock.
I've learned that they're worthless, so I don't read AC comments anymore.
Nice try. You left out that whole bit about how the law "bans local jurisdictions from offering any LGBT protections beyond what the state does, which is "none". Cities had local laws saying, for example, you couldn't refuse to rent to a gay couple just because they were gay...those city laws are now struck from the books by state mandate." My thanks to Sowelu (713889) for articulating this.
I've learned that they're worthless, so I don't read AC comments anymore.
It's Paypal, they'll seize first and ask questions later (if at all)
As a citizen of North Carolina, I am grateful to Paypal for standing up to protect people from discrimination. As bad as the treatment of transgender folks is in this law, the real impact is much broader. This law removes the right of all citizens to access state courts to sue for employment or housing discrimination based on age, race, national origin, or sex. The Republicans are using the bathroom stuff as cover because they think a majority of voters don't identify with transgender people. But the real impact is to legalize all forms of discrimination in North Carolina.
"He took a duck in the face at 250 knots." -- William Gibson, Pattern Recognition
"Maybe according to the Newspeak Wordsbook of the SJW, but not according to a real dictionary"
Let's test that theory.
Dictionary.com says that gender is: "either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior" while sex is: "either the male or female division of a species, especially as differentiated with reference to the reproductive functions."
Let's try the Oxford English dictionary.
Gender: "The state of being male or female as expressed by social or cultural distinctions and differences, rather than biological ones; the collective attributes or traits associated with a particular sex, or determined as a result of one's sex. Also: a (male or female) group characterized in this way."
Sex: Either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.
All emphasis my own.
So, no. You're just wrong about this, and if you're going to pedantically claim that the dictionary supports you, you ought to be arsed to check your dictionary first. The dictionary supports the modern distinction of gender and sex.
Sex is not defined by chromosomes, it is defined by anatomy. There are women, who were born women, with vaginas and all, grew breasts at puberty, and have always identified and been identified by others as biologically female, who just happen to have XY chromosomes and a genetic insensitivity to the androgens that that Y chromosome produces, so they develop as female anyway.
It's rare, but it happens, and if you pin sex to chromosomes, you end up having to call such people male; and also say that most of the time we have no fucking idea what sex anybody is.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
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Why would a transgendered man want to use the women's restroom? That is the complete opposite of what they want, and that is what this new law is mandating, contrary to their wishes.
Oh wait, I see, you just don't know how to use the phrase "transgendered man" correctly. Hint: a transgendered man is someone who was born female and now identifies as a man.
Although to be fair, many women would probably be uncomfortable with such a person in the women's room, but not because they're transgendered; because they're a man. Which is why such a person should be free to use the men's room instead, where he will fit in, which this law prohibits.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Yes indeed, thank you. Before gender as something separate from sex even gets involved, sex itself is already more complicated than two jointly exhaustive and mutually exclusive boxes.
In fact, the sociological concept of gender as something apart from sex was coined by John Money in 1950 specifically to address the way that intersex people in the middle of that spectrum of biological sex still get categorized into one of those two binary social gender categories.
In other words, it's the "MEN ARE MEN AND WOMEN ARE WOMEN DAMNIT!" people who have always been denying the complexities of biology and trying to force artificially simplified social categories onto people whose biology doesn't fit them.
And now that society is starting to acknowledge more complexity in its artificial, imaginary, socially-constructed categorization scheme, those same people are rebelling against that and trying to retreat to biology, ignorant of the fact that that biology has always been more complicated than they would like, and the social overlay on top of it is only just now catching up to it.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
Did I, um, miss the grand opening of the GayCLU homosexual re-education center and abortionplex or something? You seem to be calling in from a parallel reality where the 'progressives' hold absolute power and only stop hunting christians for sport when it's time for an orgy.