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Free Lightsaber Event Now Battling Lucasfilm's Lawyers (siliconbeat.com)

For eight years the arts collective Newmindspace had been staging free lightsaber battles, and in December they set a world record with 9,951 "combatants" simultaneously participating in San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego and Seattle. But then in January they received a letter from the copyright attorneys for the Star Wars franchise. "We immediately stopped using the words 'lightsaber,' 'Jedi,' 'Sith' and 'The Force,' " the group's co-founder told the technology blog of the San Jose Mercury News, saying they've still been "aggressively pursued" for the last three months. '''In March we received further communication stating 'The Light Battle Tour' and 'light sword' were still too close to their trademarks, and we moved to settle the dispute to avoid legal action." Their new solution involves referring to the weapons as "catblades", and they've re-branded their upcoming series of events (which begins on April 30 in San Jose) as the "Cats in Space Tour".

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  1. Because... by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Because people having fun and not tithing us is upsetting.

    Otherwise stated, because fuck you that's why.

    Imagine if this had stopped 'Star Trek" conventions through the years. Would the franchise be nearly as popular as it was/is?
    Here is a clue for the 1% media fucktards and their lawyer army. Something that gets people engaged and excited about your supposed "IP" is free word of mouth advertising. Word of mouth advertising is free, and far more effective than any other kind that you pay dearly for. The trade of is you cannot tightly control the message. Boo hoo.

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    1. Re:Because... by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Star Trek conventions are licensed. All you guys have been duped by the marketing.

    2. Re:Because... by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Analog Magazine cover, 1969

      The rod “ something in appearance like a cross between the flame of a welding torch and the arc of a static electricity charge crackled from the end of the rod even as it burst from the end of the rod the discharge from Galyan’s rod met the discharge from Slothiel’s head on, and the two lines of white fire splashed harmlessly into an aurora of sparks"

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    3. Re:Because... by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He um, sold Star Wars. So no, don't blame him (except for originally 'trademarking' those things). The lawyers are Disney's and we know exactly how litigious they are.

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    4. Re:Because... by KGIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a deep dislike for the sentiments posed by the AC that you replied to. By blaming someone else, they're taking the blame from Disney and that's where the fault truly lies. It's like those who want to blame ISIS on the US. No, the US isn't the one out there cutting heads off. If you want to blame the US for it then you might as well blame the League of Nations and the colonization that screwed up the whole area and whose actions gave rise to the situation we have today.

      However, no... The Europeans (the US was not a member nation in the League of Nations) aren't to blame for ISIS either. The blame is squarely on the jackasses who are busy chopping heads and throwing gay people off of "Chuck-a-homo Bridge." They're the ones responsible. They're the people who are committing the atrocities. Trying to blame someone other than them is just shifting the attention and a method of refusing to accept the fact that this problem needs addressing.

      Just like this - but slightly less severe when it's just about movie/fan rights. They might be light sabers but nobody is losing a head over this. Still, if the AC tries to blame Lucas then they're just shifting the blame from Disney. Disney is the controlling rights holder and Disney is to blame for this. I doubt we've got Disney shills here but that's pretty much what I'd do if I wanted to minimize the negative impact done to Disney's public image. I'd do what I can to make sure that Lucas was blamed and that Disney rarely came up in the conversation.

      However, no... It's probably not a paid shill - or "online reputation management expert." It's probably just that the AC really isn't all that bright. I'd almost rather they be a paid shill but, alas, they're probably just stupid.

      Oh, something I was thinking about while scrolling through but not really entirely related to this comment... I wonder what other sorts of protections Disney has. They could probably just have a yearly event and be careful to avoid the terms. I don't know what copyright would cover when it's transformed into look-alike products that bear a superficial relationship. I don't suppose they've gone so far as to get things like a design patent for this stuff? If they've done that, I'm not sure what that covers.

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  2. PR idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would have sponsored the event, it's obvious that there is a huge following of fans there.

  3. Lucasfilm and Disney are scumbags.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of reaching out and asking if these people would want to become a sanctioned event, or a simple, could you please work with us to not violate our IP, they chose to instead swing the FUCK YOU hammer.

    Lawyers are garbage.

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    1. Re:Lucasfilm and Disney are scumbags.... by StormReaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who didn't see this coming when Disney bought Lucasfilm? This is just the beginning.

    2. Re:Lucasfilm and Disney are scumbags.... by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not a lawyer but I do recognise it's the pricks that send in the lawyers for this sort of thing that are the real garbage. Do you think a lawyer would do this on their own without somebody giving them money and a task to do?

    3. Re:Lucasfilm and Disney are scumbags.... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who didn't see this coming when Disney bought Lucasfilm? This is just the beginning.

      This better hit 5 insightful.

      Way back in time.... http://www.snopes.com/disney/w...

      In 1989, a day care center in Florida had some paintings of some Disney characters on the wall in their playroom. What better way to get little children to become fans and put more money into the coffers? Little kids begging for their parents to take them to Disney again and again to see the real characters that they fondly remember from a very young age

      But Disney didn't see it that way, so they bitchslapped the the center with the threat of legal action.

      Hanna Barbera stepped in and allowed the place to use it's characters gratis.

      Oh, just wait cosplayers and Star Wars fans. Just wait until the court cases over Han shot first. The C and D lawsuits over sexy Leia bikinis.

      If you thought Lucas was an asshole, welcome to your new overlords.

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  4. Re:Good by darthsilun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If someone spends a {week,month,year} creating something, at least they're actually creating something.
    My daughter makes costumes for herself and her husband. Often they are characters from a movie, but sometimes from a book. Last year I helped her make a metal belt buckle for her Gamora costume.
    Don't be dissing people for the things they like. Who are you to judge? And if they're making something, that's extra cool.

  5. Lemme get that. Because I somehow don't. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So there is this huge event made by geeks that costs them not a dime, advertises their franchise with what is pretty much a public stunt show and they SUE against that?

    "But what if they misrepresent it?"

    Please! We're talking hardcore geeks here. Anything that could remotely, possibly be consider by someone not-canon would be axed if not nuked with more zeal and closer attention to detail and accuracy than any of the lawyers who have no idea about the franchise itself, only about its IP laws, could or would do. If anything, these things are going to be closer to canon and whatever the "designers" of the franchise create than any amusement park you sell your IP to ever would (because they don't give a fuck about canon as long as it is gimmicky).

    So please explain that to me. It makes no sense.

    Oh. It's covered by copyright law. Ok, never mind, carry on, that's not supposed to make sense.

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  6. Re:Fair Use by ledow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All say "boo". Walk away and find another franchise.

    Honestly, never "got" Star Wars anyway, certainly not the modern prequel crap, and can't bear to sit through any of them.

    But the problem is that people think it's "a franchise for the fans" when it's just "a franchise for the finance". They honestly don't care about your fan club, they just want money from you. And fucking idiots keep giving them money.

    Let it die. Go "Oh, yeah, that was a good movie when I was a kid". Then forget about it. Not even out of spite. Just forget it exists and move on. It had its time. Like "The Matrix", it was great, it was milked for all it was worth, let it then die, and at least remember the first as a great movie.

    Incidentally: Star Trek, Dr Who (??? Seriously don't understand this, despite being British), etc. are all the same.

    Let it remain in your childhood as a fond memory, rather than playing a kid for the next 40 years and handing people money for doing nothing and screwing over actors.

    Every movie and TV show I ever watched as a kid? Nowhere near as fun as I remember. Just keep them in your head, they are funnier there, and cost nothing.

  7. Easy solution... copy someone else's parody? by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.

  8. Re:Good by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah! And enough with books and music and television and movies. Everyone should stay in their basement and never expose themselves to anyone else's creative works, much less celebrate them!

    Or, you know, we could continue to behave like humans have behaved since the beginning of recorded history.

    Sharing stories and celebrating them is a fundamental part of human interaction. We use stories to share our knowledge, beliefs and morals. Stories entertain and educate and act as a form of common ground that people can use to connect to and understand one another.

  9. Re:Cats In Space? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They could have also done a Spaceballs themed Swartz battle, assuming that whoever owns that copyright also isn't an asshole.

    That would be Mel Brooks, who I suspect would not only not sue, but would probably show up and make them laugh their asses off, as well.

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  10. Re:Butthole Astronomer by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    From Wikipedia: In 1994, engineers at Apple Computer code-named the mid-level Power Macintosh 7100 "Carl Sagan" after the popular astronomer in the hope that Apple would make "billions and billions" with the sale of the computer. Apple used the name only internally, but Sagan was concerned that it would become a product endorsement and sent Apple a cease-and-desist letter. Apple complied, but its engineers retaliated by changing the internal codename to "BHA" for "Butt-Head Astronomer". Sagan then sued Apple for libel in federal court. In November 1995, Apple and Sagan reached an out-of-court settlement and Apple's office of trademarks and patents released a conciliatory statement that "Apple has always had great respect for Dr. Sagan. It was never Apple's intention to cause Dr. Sagan or his family any embarrassment or concern". Apple's third and final code name for the project was "LaW", short for "Lawyers are Wimps".

    I think they should call these blades Litigation Exit Sabers or LitESabers for short.

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  11. It's how trademark law works by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

    They have to protect themselves against trademark dilution, or they could lose the trademark. The more amenable solution would've been to give these guys a license to use those trademarks for their event for a paltry sum like $1. But I guess Disney wants all such events to require you pay the $100+ admission to Disneyland / Disneyworld.

    And at this point, I don't think the franchise cares about any more advertising, free or not. It's pretty much reached the saturation point in mindshare.

  12. Not really by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lucas used to hand out free IP licenses all the time. He let people make amateur films based on Star Wars. You just sent him a letter asking for permission and you usually got it. As long as you aren't making loads of money off of it he didn't care.

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  13. Re:Good by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Look, if they were actually making something interesting, creating something new, that would be one thing. But they're just imitating things that others created.

    So what? Let them be fans and get their rocks off over what they like. It's not my thing, but lots of things aren't my thing, and you know what? I'm okay with it.

    What I find petty and grasping is when a creator feels like he or she is owed money every time mention is made of something they created. Note to creators: fans are what MADE you popular, cut them some slack FFS. Stop being such greedy, grasping dollar whores. You've made your millions, relax a little and enjoy your money without being such a bunch of robot-like revenue-seeking pricks.

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