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Medium, Twitter Founder on Media: We Put Junk Food In Front Of Them and They Eat It (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader points us to an interview of Evan Williams, one of the co-founders of Twitter, and founder of publishing platform Medium: Ev Williams is not a fan of the increasingly homogenised media he currently sees, with its emphasis on feeding the great, gaping maw of platforms like Twitter and Facebook too often producing what he describes as tantamount to junk food. "It's understandable why media on the web is like it is today," Williams tells the Guardian. "That's not to say there's not a lot of great stuff out there, but a lot of people are dissatisfied with it. A lot of journalists who want to do great stuff are dissatisfied. Advertisers and brands are dissatisfied. We're still stuck in some very naive thinking, with the idea that people consuming media means that's what they want -- it's like, well, we put junk food in front of them and they ate that, so that must be what they want."
The people that don't want it eat something else. And there's plenty of them. Just because something is spoon fed, it doesn't preclude you from rolling your own.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
We post crap stories. People read them and comment on them, so they must want crap stories. We give them SJW stories, people read them, and comment. Therefore they must want SJW stories. Slashdot isn't any different than the junk food of Facebook and Twitter.
Don't take this post personally, whiplash. I'm just giving you shit, because you can take it and respond with entertaining and snarky replies.
Most people are incredibly stupid. They DO want junk food, both figuratively and literally.
I don't respond to AC's.
Creating yet another outlet for the drivel that passes for journalism today is not the answer. He's just putting that "junk food" in paper wrappers instead of styrofoam boxes. Take some of that $57 million in VC funding and create a news agency that does it old school with outdated ideas like "just the facts" and devoid of spin. Fund it so that investigative journalists spend the months it takes to really pull it all together on the complex stories that face us today - and let them do it without a bunch of bureaucratic bullshit getting in their way. There are great reporters out there (Sharyl Atkisson comes to mind) that don't need ever more half baked outlets for their journalism, they need a organization that will fund their efforts.
Saying that 'Twitter and Facebook must be what all people want' is like saying that so many of these political polls (or Primary election results) are really representative of what all citizens want: It's only really reppresentative of what the people who are showing up (at Twitter or Facebook, or at the polls) want. There are plenty of people who are disaffected of Twitter and Facebook (and so-called 'social media' in general) and therefore they just don't participate; how do you count them, then? Also, as TFA alludes to, if Twitter and Facebook are all there really is, how many people who are participating in those are doing so only because there really isn't anything else? Of course there are those of us for which there is no 'social media' that will satisfy us because we think the whole concept is whack to start with; how are they counting us?
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
people who think they know what others really want & need, better than those same others, have an unjustifiably high opinion of themselves and equally unjustifiable low opinion of most of others.
logically, only way such people can even think like that is by reducing others to simplified fixed and limited objects, instead of complex dynamic unlimited individuals they, and all human beings, are.
its always a good rule to distrust people who think what others really want. if they ever get to choose for others, they do it badly, inevitably, as history and all socialistic experiments have demonstrated.
What a lot of people don't realize is that social media and the various ad clickbait sites are becoming a primary form of entertainment, much like TV was a generation ago. Everyone looks at this stuff, not just "computer people" anymore. Try this experiment -- go wait for a train for 5-10 minutes, or go to the DMV or any task that requires sitting still for a few minutes. Every single person who has one and knows how to use it is going to take out their phone and start playing. Advertisers and junk food websites like BuzzFeed or Medium are going to want to capitalize on that. TV is almost 100% reality garbage now because most people who still watch "regular" TV aren't all that swift, so the advertisers give them their junk food.
I like the fact that you can still ignore the Internet's junk food for the most part, but the aggregator portals like Yahoo or MSN are full of it. Seriously, people complain about Slashdot but it's actually not bad compared to some of the alternatives.
Ev Williams is not a fan of the increasingly homogenised media he currently sees
Its his fault. companies like twitter, facebook, and reddit decided long ago their cash crop -- users -- had to be reigned in. certain topics and discissions could never be permitted on boards or by users. they did this ostensibly at the behest of maximizing brand value and appeal to brands and marketing.
A lot of journalists who want to do great stuff are dissatisfied.
because nearly every major news outlet is the brainchild of a media corporation, they are beholden to certain standards and practices designed to maximize brand value and attract marketers. this drives advertising revenue and shareholder value. its why medicine shows like Dr. Oz are successful, while investigative journalism into pharmaceutical corruption arent.
Advertisers and brands are dissatisfied.
by what? how would you know? Advertisers and brands are sated so long as their product or brand is consumed. they are only dissatisfied if a pitch or blitz didnt go as planned, or if an expensive viral campaign had no effect. Brands dont care about content, or topics, so to say they are dissatisfied with media is to say they are dissatisfied with the returns on investment they have made in platforms like Twitter...which has never really had a return at all.
with the idea that people consuming media means that's what they want
because we're driven to want it, you blithering imbecile. You dont think Proctor and Gamble spend two billion dollars a year on marketing campaigns like Terry Crews screaming "odor block" or Nike just conveniently happens to make shoes that 90% of the NBA enjoy do you? Public discourse, the free and open expression you seem to allude to, is all but dead in favour of whatever pseudo-hispanic consumable Taco Bell has excreted this month or how redbull helped an athelete conquer the very fabric of reality. The solution to the existential epiphany youre expounding upon from whatever golden shitter youre perched upon with iphone in hand is paradoxically to destroy or limit the very thing that sustains you. As you float about on your mega-yacht, take for a moment to consider this: the answer to your prayers for something other than internet bullshit already exists. Its called adblock, noscript, and and Tor. but, you want a golden goose. something thats unique, original, and can be monetized through advertising.
Good people go to bed earlier.
I think the Panama papers are a perfect example. In my opinion, this probably ranks in the top political scandals of my lifetime. But most people I know seem to care very little and don't know much about it.
I would be more impressed by what he's saying if I didn't know he founded Medium, the biggest McIntellectual pile of crap since TED talks.
You can find some really great Twitter and Facebook accounts to get high curated news and analysis. And you can subscribe to incredible podcasts like Democracy Now! and Belabored and keep up with all the news you want. And then you can go argue with people with different views than you and learn what they think and what they've been reading.
If you want to, you can supplement that with junk when you want to rest your brain. Or you can just watch tv.
But giving people access to the "good" information is a big win even if they also are able to consume entertainment as well. In the end, the Internet users that didn't want to use the Internet to become better informed just didn't want to become better informed by any medium. People who only care about celebrity news were just going to watch tv instead.
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Granted I'm a bit pickier than most, I find navigating some websites these days to be incredibly painful and awkward. It's hard to believe this is 2016 and the web is still so bad . And this holds true for "titans" of the industry, as well as ma and pa businesses.
Why would the internet be immune from the same things that dog television, print and every other media?
love is just extroverted narcissism
Economist's love to talk about "expressed preference". Watch what people actually do, rather than listen to what they say they would do. Behavioural psychologists like to talk about time horizon, noting that how we balance near-term desires vs long-term goals is crazy-making.
It's 100% clear that expressed preference is mediated by environmental factors: all too soon, you are what you wallow in. The advertising industry exploits this with the precision of an ink-jet printer nozzle by ensuring that everywhere we go online, the environment is littered with lizard-brain crack cocaine. We know that if our "rational" brain gains is granted control, most people make choices more consistent with their stated long-term goals. In a moment of clarity, people go into their Facebook privacy settings and choose sane defaults. And then, whoops, those sane settings disappear over and over again.
Man vs Borg. Borg wins.
We tend to think of advertising in the competitive, capitalist frame: Coors vs Budweiser in a taste bud alliance set to. Closer to the truth, it's probably Coors & Budweiser vs deck repairs and completing that extra certification after work. Every reminder that you could be drinking a cold beer instead takes another small bite. This is why potato chips are now displayed at eight difference places in every supermarket. Every impression counts, in the extended lizard-brain arm wrestle.
These days it's not Marshall McLuhan saying "the medium is the message", it's the behavioural neurologists.
Over and over and over again, the experimental subjects who self-report being "good" at multitasking (the kind that resembles having persistent social media feeds open on your desktop) actually measure as being the worst, at both the primary task and the distraction task.
Dunning-Kruger, thy name is Twitter.
It is the same problem with movies. Even if everyone wants something better, everyone thinks 'better' is something different. A producer might make something better, but the audience shrinks. So instead they pander to the lowest common denominator in order to have sufficient viewership. Eventually the producers reach the point where they say, why put in the effort to do something better when they will pay $X each to watch this garbage instead? Hence JJ Abrams' stupid Star Wars|Trek movies.
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What do you expect when I read shit like this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-bill-de-blasio-criticized-for-race-based-joke/
When it's Hillary and De Blasio making racial jokes, it's called "race based" jokes.
Now, what do you think it would be called if Trump and someone else made the same joke?
Answer: Racist.
Yet, no protests, no real mass media coverage of it, etc.
Journalists: You lose credibility when you post shit like this when there's a clear bias. People are wising up to the fact that you aren't "journalists" anymore. Let's talk about the most recent case of actual journalism: The CBS report about the classified 28 pages relating to 9/11.
No bias, no bullshit, just reporting facts.
If you can't even do that, then don't be surprised when people are disgusted with you, and your ratings plummet. There's a reason why MSNBC's ratings are in the shitter.
Too many choices is just as bad as too few. It is not just news sources but even places like Amazon. Look for something like a bike light and you will get hundreds of hits and you will not know which one is any good.
With news sources it is worse. People tend to pick the source that will reinforce your world view aka and runaway feedback loop. That is what we are seeing today all too often. If you support Trump and someone posts something negative you dismiss it if they post something positive you eat it up. Same is true with Sanders and Clinton supporters. It is human nature to want to be right so we often flock to those that will tell us what we want to hear.
As far as news in the US I suggest VOAnews.com Yes Voice of America actually does a really good job of just presenting facts. I also think NPR is pretty good but biased to the left. I like that since I am slightly conservative so I will question their reports. CNN is also not terrible. MSNBC and FOX are both junk and score on average below 50% on accuracy.
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I agree, but there's a certain refreshing honesty to it as well, not to mention that it's nice when people understand and recognize what it actually is that they're peddling.
I've been referring to quite a bit of the media I consume as "junk food" for the better part of a decade now. Whenever I first came to the realization that that's what it really was, it helped me immediately gain some perspective on how I was consuming entertainment and what that meant in terms of how I value my own time. I realized that a lot of my time was spent consuming empty calories: shows, sites, or games that I really didn't care about at all, but that I consumed simply because they were familiar and happened to be available at the time. That led to a shift in my media diet towards items that were tastier or more substantial.
Practically overnight, I stopped leaving the TV on and allowing myself to be distracted by whatever was on the screen, instead choosing to pursue other activities. The sites I viewed every day were culled, leaving me with just the bite-sized, thought-provoking, or extremely enjoyable ones. I stopped filling my gaming backlog with games that happened to be on sale, instead playing through my existing backlog and only picking up new games if I knew I'd be interested in them years later.
And, suddenly, the way I spent my time started aligning with my priorities better. I had more free time, I was spending more time on projects that mattered to me, and the time I still spent on entertainment was immensely more enjoyable.
You might want to stop repeating this same post every week or two.
Just contributing my two bits. If you don't like it, read someone else's comment.
The complaints against Fox or MSNBC isn't that they present an alternative viewpoint, but they are often deceptive in doing so. There is enough room for disagreement without flagrant lies of omission. You can never get to actually discussing policy because no one can agree to any facts to begin with.
As far as homogenization, I believe most would say the web was a far more exciting place 10 years ago, with more to discover and more to explore. The opportunity to run across something out of the blue was far greater, with strange pockets seemingly put just as a waymarker.
Now large swaths of the web remind me of 70s daytime tv. Cheap, inoffensive, and while not great, not requiring much in investment either. People making vids or what have you are now "content creators" and the pomposity has grown in reverse proportion with the death of originality.
This is an important principle described in a fascinating BBC series https://www.youtube.com/result... .
In essence, we've been voting for junk political candidates for decades now, so they must be what we want.
No wonder we (the "civilized world") are brain-starved as well as overfed and undernourished.
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Medium, Twitter Founder
He talks to dead people?
Or does he just like people to know he's average-sized?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
"Junk food" is a perfect description for many of the social media services- twitter, facebook, instagram, pinterest, etc etc etc.
Twitter is more like the confetti of the internet (along with emojis) but facebook is full-blown junk food: lots of empty calories and zero nutrition. That's they way they want it. And by "they", I mean both the producers and consumers of social media.
Oh, they might claim they want something more substantial, more "filling" and "healthy", but they don't. It's like the drunk on a bender who says he'll quit drinking "tomorrow".
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Agreed! I still eat "junk food" media on occasion (e.g. been playing through an Assassin's Creed game recently), and there can definitely be a place for it in our lives, but I pay more attention to how often and how much I consume. Just last night I was thinking to myself that I had been eating too many junk food games recently and could use something more substantial...something that I could really sink my teeth into.
All of which is to say, practicing moderation when it comes to media consumption is not merely a matter of quantity, but also quality. But moderation doesn't have to mean eliminating them entirely. Just as a good book can help push your thinking to places it wouldn't have otherwise reached, so too can games, movies, or even your daily news intake, but you don't always want to be slogging through dense material. Everyone needs a break sometimes.
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He was giving an interview to the Guardian so I rather doubt he expects most Twitter addicts to see it.
Damn, that reminds me that I need to put the parental filter back on Slashdot. Keep me away from it during office hours.
It's "Mental Bubble Gum" for me. :/ I, too, got it from someone older than I but I heard it sometime in the early 1970s. I wonder where it came from? It's seemingly apt and might be more wide-spread/common than I expected. Or, I knew his grandfather and maybe you! But yeah, bubble gum. It's okay to pass the time with it here and there but too much of it will rot your teeth and make you fat. Also, spit it out - don't swallow it. (That's what she said?!? I'm not sure how well that fits.)
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Couldn't choose among several fitting replies, so have them all:
* Projecting much?
* Takes one to know one, eh?
* Classic trasnference
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
You must use a period at the end of each "etc." and separate them with commas. Doing otherwise is just wrong grammar. From the point of view of style and semantics, using more than one is redundant, since a single one implies any number of unlisted items.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
Nah, the web is even better now. It is you who has changed and your standards and habits that have changed - and your expectations. It's still as great as it ever was. When was the last time you clicked the link in someone's signature, for instance? The web is a great place. It's even better now - as we can do more and more on it. We can even do that at low or no cost. It's tit simple to make something from nothing - I'm doing it as a bit of a bet, right this second while I type this. (Waiting for changes to take place.)
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
You must use a period at the end of each "etc." and separate them with commas. Doing otherwise is just wrong grammar. From the point of view of style and semantics, using more than one is redundant, since a single one implies any number of unlisted items.
You'll just have to forgive me, pardon me, excuse me, etc etc etc.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
TV is almost 100% reality garbage now because most people who still watch "regular" TV aren't all that swift, so the advertisers give them their junk food.
Top Ten List For Prime-Time Network TV - March 28th
1 Big Bang Theory - Which shouldn't need any introduction here.
3 Empire - Prime time soap opera with a mix of drama and contemporary music - with a Golden Globe and other awards to its credit.
8 NCIS
9 Blue Bloods - NCIS and Blood Bloods both long running police procedurals, a genre that network TV does very well.
10 Sixty Minutes,
The #1 on cable that week was The Walking Dead and #5 The Talking Dead --- and for those of us who have grown weary of the Zombie Apocalypse, the broadcast networks have quite a bit to offer.
only ad hominem?
a good example of that in fact.
you do not argue against what i said, but questioning my personal motivation for saying it. you are free to engage in absurd speculations about my motivation (btw even though you use word 'several', "all" of your "*"s are the same), but that wont invalidate my argument.
A good start would be to clean out the Abuse/Truth & Safety departments and close them down. Fire them with prejudice to ensure that they cannot return.
Then make sure that anyone ever brought in for an Abuse Department role cannot use it for an ideological purpose. If they do, send them packing.
As an additional measure, purge blocklists and then remove API support for blocking. Then remove the blocking feature entirely.
If any complaints are received or threats are made for such actions, do nothing that results in appeasement (while doing everything to speed up implementation).
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
facebook is full-blown junk food: lots of empty calories and zero nutrition.
That is actually pretty dependent on the reader and their friends. If their friends only post fluff and the reader doesn't hide it, then that's all they'll get. Otherwise, it has turned out more reliable method of communication with contacts than email. It's a convenient and easy place to organize and advertise events from dinner parties to national major events. Plenty of real work gets done for clubs and groups that form their own pages and use that as their communication point.