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US Anti-Encryption Law Is So 'Braindead' It Will Outlaw File Compression (theregister.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes: The bill released Thursday by Senators Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein to force U.S. companies to build backdoors into their encryption systems has been further dissected by experts. In less than 24 hours after the Court Orders Act of 2016 draft was released, 43,000 signatures have been added to a petition calling for the bill to be withdrawn. Bruce Schneier, the writer of the books on modern cryptography, said the bill would make most of what the NSA does illegal, unless no such agency is willing to backdoor its own encrypted communications. "This is the most braindead piece of legislation I've ever seen," Schneier told The Register. "The person who wrote this either has no idea how technology works or just doesn't care." Schneier says cryptographic code will be affected by this legislation, as well as "lossy compression algorithms" that are used to reduce the size of images for sending through email, which won't work in reverse and add back the data removed. Files that can't be decrypted on demand to their original state, and files that can't be decompressed back to their exact originals, all look the same to this draft now. He said even deleted data could be covered in this legislation.

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  1. Feinstein is one of those by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...where nobody seems to know how they continue to get elected.

    1. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess the question is this:

      Does this surprise anyone, anyone at all? Is anyone gasping because they're shocked that such would be proposed? Anyone? Anyone?

      No... Me either...

      *sighs* I tell you what, it's seriously reaching the point where we the people need to remind the government who is in charge. No, I am not advocating violence. Yes, I am advocating forcing them to listen.

      However, on the subject of violence... The government should fear the citizens, not the other way around. Fear, having a meaning akin to respect as well as what one might normally define it as.

      See definition 4 here:
      http://www.thefreedictionary.c...

      Of course, if need be, the other definitions work.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:Feinstein is one of those by dejitaru · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I mostly blame it on people voting strictly based on party and not the actual candidate... The biggest issue with voting imo.

    3. Re:Feinstein is one of those by sconeu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, Feinstein's opponent last time was Carly, and after what she did to Lucent and to HP, I was damned if I was going to vote for her.

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    4. Re:Feinstein is one of those by taustin · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you live in California, you know full well how she continues to get elected: California voters are idiots who do what they're told by the talking box in their living room.

    5. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If that's what you want, you need to attack the places the politicians care about - their wallet and their power, and that means impeachment. But in the present system, politicians don't fear impeachment because it's such a convoluted process -- it doesn't happen much. What I propose is a process for direct impeachment, where every quarter constituents can vote to impeach or not. Perhaps semi-annually. It's like a job performance review -- they work for us so we should be able to fire them at any time if we think they are doing their job poorly. The reason these people remain in office is because the terms are so long, by the time re-elections are due, everyone has forgotten about the past 2-4 years of shenanigans. We need to close that loop, and get the people directly involved, on short timeframes. The colossal amount of fail happening in the government right now is truly embarrassing. We need to make it easier for the people to remove bad leaders. If we can't have direct democracy, I think direct impeachment is a good alternative.

    6. Re:Feinstein is one of those by dejitaru · · Score: 1

      Well, im sure there was other candidates besides those two

    7. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Every past and present Lucent and HP employee agrees with you!

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    8. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      ...where nobody seems to know how they continue to get elected.

      She's a Democrat. If I go to facebook now I'll see that my left-leaning friends - who would be howling like a pack of rabid banshees were this simply a Republican bill - will be silent at best and at worst screeching louder about how men need to be able to use the women's restrooms or you're a bigot hoping nobody will notice this. If I point out this bill I'll be told that normally Republicans to this but sometimes *both* parties do stupid things. Note that Democrats *never* do anything stupid on their own - either Republican do stupid things or they both do.

    9. Re:Feinstein is one of those by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      Bill Clinton got impeached. All that meant was that $40 million of taxpayer money was spent doing nothing of any practical effect.

      What we need to be able to vote for is removal. A few successful recall elections could do a lot.

    10. Re:Feinstein is one of those by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I mostly blame it on people voting strictly based on party and not the actual candidate...

      People did look at the actual candidates. The Republican Party in California is completely dysfunctional, and totally out of touch with the electorate. It was difficult, but they actually found people that were worse than Feinstein.

      California is a one-party state. The only hope getting rid of Feinstein is a primary challenge, and that would be extremely difficult, and very expensive in a big state like California. Feinstein would have the establishment support, and plenty of money from both donors and her family fortune.

    11. Re:Feinstein is one of those by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Agreed. It's clearly time for Ms. Feinstein to resign. As TFA states, she (well, they, actually) either don't understand the technology, or they just don't give a damn.

      --
      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    12. Re:Feinstein is one of those by MikeKD · · Score: 1

      Well, Feinstein's opponent last time was Carly, and after what she did to Lucent and to HP, I was damned if I was going to vote for her.

      Wrong CA senator; Carly went up against Barbara Boxer in 2010. Feinstein's opponent in the 2012 general was Elizabeth Emken (open primary results).

    13. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is much better to blindly choose who your preacher tells you to vote for.

    14. Re:Feinstein is one of those by linuxwrangler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, she runs as a Democrat but must be a DINO...in-name-only.

      While she does support some liberal stances on gay marriage and on occasion has voted for small scaling back of some surveillance programs her overall record is far from liberal.

      She is fiercely pro-corporate supporting H1B programs and nearly every pro-Hollywood copyright plan she sees.

      Her anti-free-speech sentiments are seen both as the main Democratic sponsor of the failed Flag Desecration constitutional amendment and in bills supporting unilateral US censorship of the Internet.

      She was the original Democratic supporter of the PATRIOT act, supports numerous hard-stance "tough on crime" acts and called for the immediate arrest and extradition of Edward Snowden.

      She is pro death-penalty.

      She is against any substantial limits on spying having joined Republicans in voting to give the executive branch authority for international surveillance of Americans without the need for FISA court oversight and for continuing civil immunity for providers who assist the government is such activities.

      Meanwhile, her husband Richard Blum's firm CBRE is poised to earn $1 Billion on the sale of closed post offices.

      Her sponsorship of this idiotic legislation should not surprise anyone.

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      ~~~~~~~
      "You are not remembered for doing what is expected of you." - Atul Chitnis
    15. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, I've already listed the best way that I can think of to get their attention and it's a bit long to write it out again. However, it's easy enough to do. What we need, in order to do it, is solidarity. That's what we, the citizens, lack. We're too busy fighting over who is what color, who is getting what for privilege, who has what politics, who has sex with who, who believes in this, and who believes in that. We call each other hillbillies, rednecks, fagots, and thugs. We berate someone for wearing a Confederate Flag or for wearing a Rainbow Flag. We're rooting for Trump and Clinton.

      In other words, they've happily sat back and watched us squabble over the scraps while they continue eating their 12 course meal at the adult table. What we lack is the ability to stop pissing and moaning about the differences between us. What we lack is the motivation to pay attention to the many things we all have in common. We have no solidarity.

      We have no unity (unless we have Ubuntu). We argue over operating systems, programming languages, politically correct pronouns, text editors, who shot first, grammar, and more. We hate anyone who has more than us and are sure they stole it, else they wouldn't have it. Either way, they don't deserve it. The people below us, financially, you either view them as incompetent and needing to be carried or needing to be left behind.

      You don't see a human when you read my posts. You see an idea, you see a picture, you see a caricature. You either hate it or you like it but you don't bother to think about the things you and I have in common. You want to be right. You want to win, win what? You want to win the internet points? You want the last word? You want to be the King Shit on Turd Island? Well, that's what you've got.

      And it might not even be your fault. You might be just peachy and perfect and willing to sacrifice for the greater good. That's quite possible but, really, if you are then you're no in the majority. The majority wants more and mine. The majority wants control and only views things in their own binary fashion. The majority isn't concerned about your problems because your problems aren't their problems. They don't even notice the disconnect when they finally have their problems and not a hand is raised to help them.

      Then, accountability? We can not have that. Make a post suggesting someone have some personal accountability. Suggest that people be responsible. Note the remarks you get - just here, on this site, a site full of some of the smartest people on the 'net. You don't get solidarity without accountability. You don't get accountability without compassion. You don't get compassion without unity (unless you install it with apt-get).

      No, we need solidarity. If you can tell me how to get solidarity, I will tell you how to rule the world.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    16. Re:Feinstein is one of those by s13g3 · · Score: 1

      ...where nobody seems to know how they continue to get elected.

      One word: California

      'Nuff said.

      --
      "Inveniemus Viam Aut Faciemus" 'We will find a way... Or we will make one!' --Hannibal of Carthage
    17. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ofergawds sake...it doesn't mean "impeachment"

      it means electing other people to the goddamned office, which means convincing sufficient numbers of your fellow citizens to vote the way you want.

      Senators serve 6 year terms. Presidents are elected every 4. Representatives are elected EVERY OTHER YEAR.

      Democracy, How does it work?

    18. Re:Feinstein is one of those by PRMan · · Score: 1

      "I've voted Democrat since 1961 and I'm not changing now..."

      --
      Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
    19. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tu quoque ....... and herein lies the problem of democracy, summed up nicely by the AC above me.

    20. Re:Feinstein is one of those by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Damn... was it THAT long ago? My memory is bad.

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    21. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Stolpskott · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but forcing idiot politicians to show the electorate how good a job they are doing would basically put them in a continuous election/campaigning cycle (because that is effectively their job performance review, and the Congress/Senate campaign cycle lasts for at least 6-9 months as it is), meaning that they would do even less useful work than they do now.
      The fact that you are right about the attention span of voters being too short to remember anything that has not happened in the last week (not sure if I am being too generous there, sometimes I think it is much shorter than that) does not mean that the election/performance review cycle should be shortened, it means that the electorate actually need to put some effort into considering who to vote for.
      Too hard? Then the electorate are too lazy/stupid/incompetent, and they get the candidate they deserve. Remember, these politicians are supposed to be the best representatives of the people in their constituency. So if the electorate are lazy, then the politician has to be only slightly less lazy.
      Remember, when being chased by zombies or cannibals, you do not have to be faster than the zombies or cannibals, you just have to be faster than the dumb schmuck next to you, so that they catch him, and you get away. On in the case of politicians, they only have to be slightly better than the other guy, who has to be only slightly better than anyone else.

    22. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feinstein seem like a brain dead democrat!

    23. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law don't apply to NSA unless it explicitly says so.

    24. Re:Feinstein is one of those by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm the only one that will say it but overall Feinstein isn't a bad senator. She's done a good job on a lot of things but she's got one wickedly bad weakness and that's she's scared of terrorists and criminals and is a true believer that government can be trusted with our personal information. She's willing to take away rights and grant government sweeping power over our personal lives to prevent terrorism and crime.

      I don't know why she's like this but she's always been like this on this issue. There are other issues she's fantastic in and she's a good negotiator and good at finding compromise. But I've got to tell you, when people like Carly are the people that run against her you can't do anything but Vote for her. If the republicans could run someone against her that wasn't bat shit crazy they might take the seat but the only people they run against her are people like Carly. And Carly would grant government the same fucking powers and kill all the same rights, but she'd also fuck everything else up as well.

      So your choice is a bad Feinstein or a worse Fiorino, and that's not much of a choice IMO.

    25. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      people need to remind the government who is in charge. No, I am not advocating violence.

      Power, and politics, grow from the barrel of a gun. Now PC liberal types will get all offended at this, but it does not change the fact that it's an absolute truth. Of course a whole bunch of hippy types will point to Ghandi and his "non violent" ways. Remind me what happened to Ghandi again? And his wife. And his son? So in the end, who won? Violence is the ONLY way to change things. It's nature's way. You don't let the other alpha male on your territory, you drive him off through force, or you kill him.

      If people were smarter then you could convince them. But if people were smarter they wouldn't need politicians in the first place. Leaders are for herd-beasts, and herd beasts need violence to drive them to change direction, or in some cases even to start moving. Go write an essay to convince a bunch of cows on how necessary it is to move to the other field. What do you think will happen? Now get a stick and go hit a few and see how quick you'll convince them.

      I don't consider myself a violent person, nor do I condone unnecessary violence. I am, however, a realist. And I've reached an age where I understand that there is such a thing as necessary violence. Ask Feinstein. I'm sure she would have no problem having her goons commit violent acts towards you to get you out of her way. What do you think "law enforcement" IS?

      --
      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    26. Re:Feinstein is one of those by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Preachers aren't allowed to tell you how to vote silly. They listen to Fox News. That's why they're rallying behind Trump, even though he is less of a Christian than Hilary.

      --
      Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
    27. Re:Feinstein is one of those by sconeu · · Score: 1

      As I said... I stand corrected. I voted for Gail Lightfoot (L) in 2012, at least in the primary. I think I abstained in the general election, since CA only gives you two choices in the general election, and I didn't like either.

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    28. Re:Feinstein is one of those by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If that's what you want, you need to attack the places the politicians care about - their wallet and their power, and that means impeachment. But in the present system, politicians don't fear impeachment because it's such a convoluted process -- it doesn't happen much. What I propose is a process for direct impeachment, where every quarter constituents can vote to impeach or not. Perhaps semi-annually. It's like a job performance review -- they work for us so we should be able to fire them at any time if we think they are doing their job poorly. The reason these people remain in office is because the terms are so long, by the time re-elections are due, everyone has forgotten about the past 2-4 years of shenanigans. We need to close that loop, and get the people directly involved, on short timeframes. The colossal amount of fail happening in the government right now is truly embarrassing. We need to make it easier for the people to remove bad leaders. If we can't have direct democracy, I think direct impeachment is a good alternative.

      There are plenty of issues with the US electoral system that need remedies, but 2-, 4-, and 6-year terms being too long is not one of them.

      Let's review:

      • Voters generally elect people by picking their "team" without regard for issues or voting history.
      • Elections are winner-take-all.
      • Gerrymandering has effectively predetermined the outcome of elections in many areas of the country.
      • The Supreme Court declared that money = speech, enshrining corruption as a constitutional right. It has also defined the criteria for bribery so narrowly that it's nearly impossible to prosecute.
      • Most elected officials are given cushy private sector jobs upon leaving office (likely in return for undisclosed favors).

      While not all the above are under direct control by voters, the first one certainly is, and fixing it is necessary to address any of the others.

      --
      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    29. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Bill Clinton got impeached. All that meant was that $40 million of taxpayer money was spent doing nothing of any practical effect.

      What we need to be able to vote for is removal. A few successful recall elections could do a lot.

      And a president with a 60 percent approval rating isn't going to be removed. by a popular vote. So the people who wanted him out the most, wouldn't have their way.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    30. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish there were a +5 brilliant for your post...

    31. Re:Feinstein is one of those by friedmud · · Score: 1

      Well said.

      What I keep wondering is: why do we _never_ see a single political candidate say anything close to this? Is it really impossible for a decent, normal human being to want to be in politics?

      I'm actually starting to think about running myself (and my views fit yours perfectly). It's crazy that the world has come down to the choices we currently have for President... all it shows is just how divided we truly are.

    32. Re:Feinstein is one of those by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Well spoken.

      Sadly preaching to the choir. :-/

      The people that _should_ be paying attention are too busy watching <insert fad of the month> ... to even notice or care how the country is going down.

    33. Re:Feinstein is one of those by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Have you seen what passes for a republican candidate in California? The Governator is about the only republican that could replace her easily.

    34. Re:Feinstein is one of those by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      No, sadly Carly was the most viable out of the lot. She might have even gotten 10% of the vote!

    35. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's what you want, you need to attack the places the politicians care about - their wallet and their power, and that means impeachment. But in the present system, politicians don't fear impeachment because it's such a convoluted process -- it doesn't happen much. What I propose is a process for direct impeachment, where every quarter constituents can vote to impeach or not. Perhaps semi-annually. It's like a job performance review -- they work for us so we should be able to fire them at any time if we think they are doing their job poorly. The reason these people remain in office is because the terms are so long, by the time re-elections are due, everyone has forgotten about the past 2-4 years of shenanigans. We need to close that loop, and get the people directly involved, on short timeframes. The colossal amount of fail happening in the government right now is truly embarrassing. We need to make it easier for the people to remove bad leaders. If we can't have direct democracy, I think direct impeachment is a good alternative.

      I'm sorry, but civic life is not a bazaar or a WalMart. Your proposal would make republican life a chaos.

    36. Re: Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She also pushed and is pushing Positive Train Control due to a CA accident that would have been solved with 100 yr old technology. Let's mandate something expensive that doesn't exist instead.
      (The way the law was written prevented being able to use an existing European system)

    37. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      This bill is so insane that it will sail right through Congress.

    38. Re:Feinstein is one of those by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Feinstein may not be the brightest bulb in the drawer, but she's sincere, she's passionate about her causes, and she's at least as bright as the average voter (let's be honest, her constituency can't tell the difference between encryption and compression at a mathematical level either).

      Maybe she's not actually sincere, but she does a good enough job faking it, if she's not. And that's what counts :)

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    39. Re:Feinstein is one of those by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      by the time re-elections are due, everyone has forgotten about the past 2-4 years of shenanigans.

      If the electorate truly has such a short attention span, then annual impeachments aren't going to help. There is nothing that can help such a bunch of gold-fish-brained mouth breathers.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    40. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I will be on the Maine State ballot for Senate, district 17, this fall. I'm actually a classic Libertarian or, perhaps, a Socialist Libertarian. If I were in Europe, you'd call me a Socialist Democrat - more likely than not. Though, I've got all the signatures and the paperwork is turned in (I had all that done before I even went on my winter vacation), I am kind of doubting my desire to hold office.

      The reasons are long and complex. I don't want the job to begin with. I've neither the need for money nor the need for the infamy. I don't need the prying and, while I don't mind being honest, there are some things I just don't feel like having to explain because they occupy more than 140 characters or a bumper sticker. I still have time to remove my name, prior to the ballot printings, and I'm not entirely sure what I want to do.

      A long time ago, I was going to be the next Jim Morrison. We had a band, we even had a demo tape, and we did a bunch of concerts down the East Coast. Then, we went to the West Coast. The following year, I was in the Marines. I learned something back then. The people you want to be able to listen, can't. Had the crowd been a little less noisy and listened to the music then maybe we would have ended up with a record deal. Instead, the bars were loud and fights were frequent and the people you wanted to be able to hear, couldn't.

      I wonder if I'm approaching that same sort of thing with politics. I don't want the job. I never wanted the job. I've just been asked to run many, many times and I finally agreed that "I'd consider it" if they could get enough signatures. It's a rather small district, up in North Western, Maine. I have better ways to waste my time - even if it means posting on Slashdot, then trying to change the juggernaut that is humanity. I am not that powerful and, as I said, the ones I want to hear - can't.

      So, I don't know... The missus and I discuss it nearly every day. I'm headed back to Maine in just a few more weeks. I'll miss my time in the Gulf but I'm missing Maine even more. I think the State ought to be a fair, just, balanced, and compassionate organization that is there for the benefit and not for the detriment. That's why I opted to run as a Senator.

      By the way, the band was horrible. Absolutely horrific and had no business being on stage. Separately, we weren't bad. Together, we kind of sucked. Though, once in a while, if the declination of the moon was right and the level of intoxication was just so - you could feel the music, and I do not mean the vibrations of the air via sound waves. All-in-all, I'm much happier that my life turned out the way it has.

      But, I fear the same problem will be there with politics. It's like the Law of Diminishing Returns. It's everywhere. Those you want to be able to listen, can't. Not much of what I have to say fits in a bunch of check-marks, bumper stickers, or in 140 characters or less. I learned that at a very young age. I don't have a middle name. I have four names, no hyphen in the middle, and thus I have no middle name but I do have two middle names. When you fill those forms out with your handy dandy #2 pencil, there's just no room on there for me. They have one slot for a middle initial and I don't have one - I have two. It was then that I realized that the check-boxes of life just don't seem to fit. Funny how it all turns out in the end.

      But, you can now say you've heard a politician (even if just an aspiring politician - who may decide to not run) say such things. I don't think most people want to hear it. It means that they've got to be accountable. It means that they're responsible. It means that they need to take action, accept risks, and live with the consequences of those choices. I'm not sure that I don't blame them. Life's easy when you're a coward.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    41. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right... It's only us in CA....

      The BGOV Barometer shows that 90 percent of House members and 91 percent of senators who sought re-election in 2012 were successful, exceeding the incumbent re-election rates of 2010, when 85 percent of House members and 84 percent of senators seeking re-election were successful

      This ENTIRE COUNTRY keeps reelecting assholes and idiots...

    42. Re:Feinstein is one of those by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Nah all to difficult and tiresome. Here is what we do, we all demand FOSS free open source software encryption solutions and when it get to the line of code with the back door, in capital letters type this description "THIS IS THE FUCKING STUPID LINE OF CODE WITH THE BACK DOOR PLEASE DELETE PRIOR TO COMPILATION and have a nice day ;D", don't forget the smiley it counts.

      See all to easy, no muss, no fuss, now how the fuck will they legislate that out of software, 'er' you must make it really difficult to discover the back door algorithm in Free Open Source Software, or if you leave it in you can not change the back door access to your own encrypted back door access. So the same solution for every stupid bit of government legislation covering software, FOSS it and wink and laugh out loud (yeah we put the back door in but those naughty end users just keep taking it out, damn, what a shame).

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    43. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Californian here. It's the Prisoner's Dilemma. The people who run against Feinstein have been just as bad as she is, but people down this way tend to err in favor of people with a D next to their name.

      We face a lot of these problems every election cycle, my "favorite" one being how there's always going to be a proposition on the ballot asking for a tax hike to help fund improving our schools. Somehow after over a decade of voting, we have higher taxes but schools still aren't fixed.

    44. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does Bernie Sanders count? He has vilified the billionaires for not paying more taxes but the campaign has largely been run on positivity. "A government that works for all people, not just the 1%"

    45. Re:Feinstein is one of those by taustin · · Score: 1

      Especially if the preacher is on TV.

    46. Re:Feinstein is one of those by taustin · · Score: 1

      Preachers aren't allowed to tell you how to vote silly.

      Actually, they are. They're just not allowed to claim a religious tax exemption if they do. Technically. Damned rare they get caught out on it.

      They listen to Fox News. That's why they're rallying behind Trump, even though he is less of a Christian than Hilary.

      As far as I can tell, Satan is more Christian than Hillary.

    47. Re:Feinstein is one of those by taustin · · Score: 1

      Very true. But Californicators do it wish such enthusiasm.

    48. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Feinstein may not be the brightest bulb in the drawer, but she's sincere, she's passionate about her causes

      History is replete with examples of passionate idiots wreaking havoc upon society, that's hardly a recommendation for Feinstein.

      and she's at least as bright as the average voter

      That's not saying much.

      let's be honest, her constituency can't tell the difference between encryption and compression at a mathematical level either

      Not understanding a thing doesn't relieve people of consequences connected with it. You might not know how the alternator in your car works, but when it fails you do know that the car won't start and you cannot get to work.

      Maybe she's not actually sincere, but she does a good enough job faking it, if she's not. And that's what counts

      Unfortunately, she's quite sincere and has a reputation for stubborn intransigence going all the way back to her days on the San Francisco city council. I have lived in California my whole life and voted against her in every single election since I became eligible to vote and yet the dumb liberal voters in this state keep reelecting her. She sits on the Senate Intelligence committee, which means that despite her seniority in terms of years in the Senate she has very little power to bring home bacon to the State of California. We consistently get back pocket change for every tax dollar we send to Washington. California's senators, but especially Feinstein, are useless to us and now this crappy bill comes out. Hopefully President Obama will just ignore this bill in the unlikely event that it ever gets to his desk.

    49. Re: Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The corporations wont have it.

    50. Re:Feinstein is one of those by LiENUS · · Score: 1

      When did Carly Fiorina run against Feinstein?

    51. Re:Feinstein is one of those by serbanp · · Score: 1

      Well, at least you can feel some "internet solidarity". You're at the other end of the contiguous USA for me to meet (and vote for) such an interesting person as you seem to be (as read through most - not all - of your posts on /.), so all I (and others, I'm sure) can offer is written encouragement.

      You may get disillusioned b the whole political process, but at least you followed through your inner desire to do something. Kudos!

    52. Re:Feinstein is one of those by houghi · · Score: 1

      If the choices are "damned if you do and damned if you don't", to me that means that you do not have much of a choice,
      It is like the Mafia would defend them saying "But your honor, I gave him a choice between his left and his right kneecap and HE choose the left one. You can not blame me for HIS choice."

      What the US needs is a complete rebuild of their politics. A revolution (does not need to be bloody). Break up the country if you need to as what is important is not the lines on a map, but the people living on it.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    53. Re:Feinstein is one of those by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      The first half deals with encryption. The second half is a metadata retention bill. It is very specific about the communication endpoints (IP addresses), routing information, ports, duration, mac address of equipment. The bill makes no requirement that once your metadata is collected it is encrypted when stored. A tempting target for organized crime.

      That seems like a pretty big deal as well, but I think the ploy is to not draw attention to this part of the bill and just drop the 'intelligible' anti-encryption clause in the bill so that this bit can get through.

      Reading that part of the bill make it look like they are also interested in peoples associations. Who talks to who, when and for how long.

      It was introduced in Australia in pretty much the same way with bi-partesan support and people objecting to things that were irrelevant in the long run. We didn't know what they were doing when it happened to us, don't fall for it. It is a trap.

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    54. Re:Feinstein is one of those by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      That particular person will never hold the office of President again, like him or loathe him.

      I was thinking more about our current crop of losers.

    55. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 1

      So homosexuals and their enablers will vote for her even if she starts running under the name "Darth Sidious" with her political platform as "Destroy every living human in the United States"

      This wins the price for the most stupid, most prejudiced and most bigoted comment I've seen in a long time.

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      Stephan

    56. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course a whole bunch of hippy types will point to Ghandi and his "non violent" ways. Remind me what happened to Ghandi again? And his wife. And his son? So in the end, who won?

      He got British rule out of India, so you could say he ultimately won. And it wasn't the British who killed him.

      Nonviolence will not save you from violent people. But what nonviolent protest does is take away sympathy for oppressors because they can't justify their violence. You don't need to defend yourself or retaliate against someone who isn't attacking you.

    57. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, pinko.

    58. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worst politicians are those who sincerely believe in their cause.

    59. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Ghandi did not drive the British out of India. Ghandi united the people of the continent so that they could identify as one. The British drove themselves out of India, first by committing the gaffe of trying key members of the Indian National Army for treason, and second for no longer having the military force or will post-war to police India for themselves after losing the support of the Indian army. THAT is why the Brits lost India. Ghandi was part of it, but not all of it. And violence and the threat of further violence is what pushed the British out.

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    60. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question is why do the people of California keep voting the bitch back in.

    61. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're too busy fighting over who is what color, who is getting what for privilege, who has what politics, who has sex with who, who believes in this, and who believes in that.

      Your right but this is an old trick that goes all the way back to the orgins of this country. This is the same trick used on Indian tribes. Keep them fighting among themselves so they are focused on that an not the fact that they are taking away everything from both tribes. Yep keep us fighting among ourselves while they sneak around the back and ass fuck us out of our rights.

      Grandpa said this would happen one day.

    62. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Thanks. And I'm way too prolific and verbose for anyone to actually read it all. ;-) But, thanks and I appreciate the encouragement. The "scary" thing is that I'm quite likely to win. Our idiot has run unopposed for years.

      Actually, he's a nice guy. He's a Republican but I don't hold that against him. If I take his place then I'll just be "our idiot." But, it's a small State and it might be somewhere that something good can come from just a few people working hard enough. Maine's one of those places where a single person can live pretty comfortably (albeit a bit frugally) for $15,000 a year. That means buying a new $1000 beater car every couple of years - in the spring we have giant frost heaves. If you're unfamiliar with that, look at Google and do the image search.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    63. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I hate when they do that. I really do.

      They need 10.
      They want 15.
      They ask for 50.
      They "settle" for 20.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    64. Re: Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God damn Dave, what a post. Deserves a +100 mod.

      I've always liked the way you think.

    65. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That means teaching a whole lot of people to compile. That's workable. If we could all put it in the same spot in the code then maybe it could just be a switch for those who build with apt. Something like apt-get source --compile -iE 7zip or the likes.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    66. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I have never been called a pinko before. One of these days, I'll get down to re-writing some of my views. Many people seem to think I'm an ultraconservative.

      At any rate, I've written them out many times before. I should redo all of it. I need to work on my other site at some point too - which I'll avoid linking to here. This is not my campaign platform, this is Slashdot. Keeping the two separate is kind of important to me but I'll have some overlap, of course. Some of what I learn here affects my political views, some of what I experience there will impact how I present things. Surely...

      So, I'm not really sure what you're going for. I looked at the dictionary definition of pinko and it's someone with moderate leftist views. Someone not quite red.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    67. Re: Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this -1? It's crude, but he is correct.

    68. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't think we've yet reached the stage where violence is the only option left to us. I prefer to reserve violence for when there are no other choices. It's best that it not become too common a tool. I am not advocating violence. When the time comes, if the time comes, I'll advocate violence and be there with you. I'll also be *really* well equipped. I did serve as a Marine for 8 years, that's how I paid for school, and I do have a rather extensive (obscene numbers, to some) collection of firearms.

      We've not yet reached the point where I feel violence is the solution. Violence is the last solution. What are those boxes again? Soap, ballot, jury, and ammo? I am pretty sure that we're supposed to go in order. It's kind of like, "rape, murder, pillage, burn." Sure, you can change the order around but that just makes you a freak.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    69. Re: Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking kidding me? Grow a pair of balls and face the reality. What he said is true, whether you like it or not.

      How is it bigoted? Do you guys not like to be called homosexuals? Would you prefer queer? Fag? I hear gay people call each other fags, reminds me of the N word. I don't fucking no anymore, and neither do you. Stop bitching about everything you see.

    70. Re: Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey but the weed is legal, so is same sex marriage, everyone's happy.

    71. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your memory isn't bad, you're just a fucking liar. You're a goose stepper pushing an agenda and I hope it comes back and fucks you in the ass with a chainsaw in the end. Goose steppers have only one place where they belong; in the mass graves that they help create.

    72. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      I have no idea how any of that disqualifies her from being a Democrat. Most of those positions are standard within the party, perhaps not so much among those who blindly vote for them.

    73. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the plus side, nobody will ever be able to compile another program, because that's encrypting the source into an unreadable binary!

    74. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feinstein is a cunt.
      Fuck her.
      Like the trojan horse she rode in on.

    75. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this was the subtle intent of the law. e.g. outlaw one way hash routines. Obvious things like md5 but so broadly worded, could also consider voting as "one way" data!

    76. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or unintended consequence of trying to ban one way hash routines used in login/security applications -- gee, I can't change the vote the way it should have been originally cast, so let's prevent the use of one way hash routines.

    77. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      KGIII for President?

      I live in Maryland, so can't vote for you, but I would if I could.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    78. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I have never been called a pinko before. One of these days, I'll get down to re-writing some of my views. Many people seem to think I'm an ultraconservative.

      Oh, god damn. The commie pinko ultraconservatives are the absolute WORST.

    79. Re:Feinstein is one of those by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It just means making the compiled code available, from other sources than the phone manufacturer. Plenty of software distribution sources to cover that. The whole idea though is FOSS can quite easily make the application of any similar government regulations quite easy to defeat.

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    80. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Yes but the FOSS community is not always so very good at teaching. I think it's workable and, with some effort, people can be taught.

      You also may not be aware of this but there are some people out there who will have difficulty following directions. They are actually greater in number than one might think. I'd also think repositories could just offer hosted binaries - just so long as they weren't hosted on the soil of oppressive governments. The Internet's a fickle beast and does what it wants. If this law comes to pass then there's a 100% certainty that tools will be available to circumvent it in short order. I know, for a fact, that if such tools do not exist then even *I* will work to make them available.

      I am a mathematician. I am not a cryptographer. I can learn.

      That and I've got the source downloaded for all sorts of fun things that I've not yet done anything with but have grabbed for posterity sake and "just in case" reasons. I've got TBs of stuff - all of it with at least one backup that's off-site. ;-)

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    81. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      So homosexuals and their enablers will vote for her even if she starts running under the name "Darth Sidious" with her political platform as "Destroy every living human in the United States"

      This wins the price for the most stupid, most prejudiced and most bigoted comment I've seen in a long time.

      Eh, I wouldn't say that. I'm a gay dude in California, and I'm nodding thinking.. "eeh, he might have a point there. Maybe, it's hard to say." Sure, she's had some support within those communities. But even in California, the GLBT community isn't THAT large. Feinstein has a number of other political connections that make her almost untouchable in the state -- her defense connections make her more moderate than liberal, and she's -extremely- cozy with the entertainment industries. I always said Feinstein wouldn't act against Hollywood even if all the execs were caught in a child prostitution ring. She's that beholden to them. She's the real "senator from Disney." But not just Disney, naturally.

    82. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      She's done a good job on a lot of things but she's got one wickedly bad weakness and that's she's scared of terrorists and criminals and is a true believer that government can be trusted with our personal information. She's willing to take away rights and grant government sweeping power over our personal lives to prevent terrorism and crime.

      I wonder if any of this had to do with her being in the next room when Dan White assassinated SF Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk. She was the one who called the police in that particular incident, and a trauma like that can really affect a person.

    83. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      She is fiercely pro-corporate supporting [...] nearly every pro-Hollywood copyright plan she sees

      That's a very, very US liberal / Democratic thing to do. She's hardly alone on this, the Democratic Party is staunchly pro-entertainment industry, and very much on the side of government regulations protecting copyright and other 'IP.'

    84. Re:Feinstein is one of those by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      We face a lot of these problems every election cycle, my "favorite" one being how there's always going to be a proposition on the ballot asking for a tax hike to help fund improving our schools.

      Yeah, California loves to waste school money, but some of this problem would get fixed if the state funded schools statewide rather than tied it to property taxes in the district the school is in. Prop 15 ensures that funding remains low, and decreases in real dollars over time.

    85. Re:Feinstein is one of those by KGIII · · Score: 1

      State Senate. I don't like people enough to be President. Hell no... Do you see what that does to them? Look at the before and after pictures of *any* president. Look at pictures of people who aged the same amount in *any* other job. Even Kennedy aged significantly. Even Clinton aged significantly. No, I don't want that much responsibility.

      I would like to be dictator of the galaxy for maybe a month. Maybe, just maybe, a full year. After that, I'd banish myself to a desert island or something. But, if people would shut the hell up and pay attention to some damned commonsense AND be willing to ask smart people AND take their advice AND know when it's time to admit that you need to ask smarter people then maybe, just maybe, we could enact meaningful changes but I suspect they'd be short lived and would need to be enforced with tyranny or by purging like Stalin tried to do - even though I'm not even remotely communist, I suspect that'd be about the only way to get it done and that wouldn't help because more people would just be born and it is human nature to be greedy, self-centered, and an asshole.

      On the other hand, you want a ballot? I'll get you a ballot! ;-)

      Note: The above sentence is OBVIOUSLY intended to be humorous. I would not actually engage in, encourage, or endorse voter fraud by anyone.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  2. Of course by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course the politicians involved are retards. They're just doing what the FBI and NSA are telling them to do. So far as these stunningly mindless halfwits are concerned, computers are magic bosses and those weirdo nerdy wizards should just do what they are told.

    Want better politicians, don't elect fucking morons.

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    1. Re:Of course by lgw · · Score: 1

      Of course the politicians involved are retards. They're just doing what the FBI and NSA are telling them to do. So far as these stunningly mindless halfwits are concerned, computers are magic bosses and those weirdo nerdy wizards should just do what they are told.

      Feinstein having no clue about the simplest aspects of technology I understand, since shes 137 years old, but Burr is only 60 and has likely used a web browser. I think it's more about the "NSA telling them what to do" part than the morons part. More politicians that grew up with computers would certainly help, though.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want better politicians, don't elect fucking morons.

      What else can we expect when our representatives have to spend 50-75% of their work time in a call center begging for money for the next cycle?
      Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Congressional Fundraising (HBO)

      Rather: Support campaign finance reform, with public funding for political campaigns.

      Then maybe we can elect people who can focus on being good stateswomen.

    3. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real problem is that people keep voting for incumbents, instead of sending them back home, once they become too cozy with their 3-martini lunch sponsors, in Washington DC. Feinstein in particular is a crusty old bitch, who lost touch with her voters, long time ago. It is time for the Democratic Party to get in touch with their voters and bring new blood into the scene. The State of California has enough people who are more legal-savvy and tech enlightened who could replace this bitch in not time. Each one of them would be capable of representing the interest of their constituents, as well as the country overall before getting too fat or crusty. The Old Guard must go. .

    4. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be a impeachable offense to vote on a piece of legislation you dont understand. When a law is passed it either compels or prohibits something,
      so if youre going to make an entire country do either under threat of penalty, youd damned well better be able to articulate the ramifications of that law to
      the people.

    5. Re: Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      etards

    6. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't assume Feinstein is stupid.

    7. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't assume Feinstein is stupid.

      You're right; she really isn't stupid. Just EVIL.

    8. Re:Of course by antdude · · Score: 1

      But they're all morons though. :(

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    9. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am pretty sure that's not what N*S_A wanted. They employed enough smart people to realize how much damage this kind of nonsense could do to US national security.

    10. Re:Of course by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Feinstein having no clue about the simplest aspects of technology I understand, since shes 137 years old, but Burr is only 60 and has likely used a web browser. I think it's more about the "NSA telling them what to do" part than the morons part. More politicians that grew up with computers would certainly help, though.

      Feinstein has a clue, but she has always, and always will, vote on the side of the NSA/FBI/government service over every other consideration, even if she gets pissy that they read her email.

  3. boneheads. write your own critters to kill this. by swschrad · · Score: 3, Informative

    there just isn't anything else to say. this is legislation in the ISIS category meant to hammer society back to 600 AD.

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    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
  4. And that was when by GaAs+oldAce · · Score: 1

    The Revolution Started.

    1. Re:And that was when by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Yup, this directly affects porn and that will get the masses moving.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    2. Re:And that was when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yup, this directly affects porn and that will get the masses moving.

      NO WE DON'T WANT TO SEE TH..! OH! Oh, you meant moving as in ... nevermind me .. carry on.

    3. Re:And that was when by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, this directly affects porn and that will get the masses moving.

      NO WE DON'T WANT TO SEE TH..! OH! Oh, you meant moving as in ... nevermind me .. carry on.

      Good point bringing up the stuff we don't want to see or to be seen!

      IF encryption or by extension, steganography becomes illegal, then how is it that the government is to legally keep state secrets on state run computers secret without breaking the law?

      It is a lame joke but it would need to be said, If you make encryption illegal then only criminals will have encrypted systems, that would include the government.

      Is this what America has become? A lame joke? Have we become such a pathetic shadow of our former selves that we don't even follow our own ethics and rules? Is it do as we say and not as we do now? This bill needs to be struck down hard and with great prejudice, just like you are saying with the moving bodies in the porn!

  5. Of course it is - Feinstien by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feinstien doesn't even know what the internet is to start off with. Unless they were a pioneer in technology and 80 year old politician has no business at all trying to do anything tech related. She is so far out of her element here it's not even funny. I have a background in farming, mechanical design, IT, and a few other things and this would be like me trying to write legislation on knitting, which I know nothing of.

    1. Re:Of course it is - Feinstien by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      To be fair, most knitting actually can be reverted to it's original state as long as you haven't cut it off the spool yet. So writing something similar about knitting would still technically be less asinine than this bill,a nd would mostly juts result in seaters coming with an attached ball of excess yarn you can't legally cut off.

    2. Re:Of course it is - Feinstien by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      +1 funny

  6. NSA = no such agency by zero_out · · Score: 2

    For those who didn't immediately make the connection, the words "no such agency" in the summary was a reference to the nickname for the NSA. It would have been better if they capitalized it as No Such Agency.

  7. Steganography? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if that's covered?

    1. Re:Steganography? by zlives · · Score: 1

      probably not because that involves typewriters... right

    2. Re:Steganography? by delt0r · · Score: 1

      LOL, also it means you can recover *more* data from the file than the original. It is like anti encryption.

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      If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
  8. Goodbye stored passwords by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An interesting comment on The Register pointed out that how the law is written it would ban the use of one way hashes to store passwords.

    1. Re:Goodbye stored passwords by GolfBoy · · Score: 1

      In theory I suppose even if it didn't ban that, it would allow an order to harvest a password at login time and provide it to the government. Or maybe they already think that's OK. The level of retard going on here is so high that I'm having trouble understanding what view of the world these people have.

  9. I Wrote Her --Did You? by BrendaEM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please share your views here, too.
    http://www.feinstein.senate.go...

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    1. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Can I start my letter with the phrase, "Diane, you ignorant slut!" ???

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    2. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you can, she won't read it anyways. She has an automated system that responds to the type of letter you wrote. I've sometimes received emails saying that she "also" supports the thing that I'm writing against. I really hope she gets into a bad car accident.

    3. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Can I start my letter with the phrase, "Diane, you ignorant slut!" ???

      If you call her "ignorant", then you probably should spell her correctly. It is Dianne.

    4. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did, here is what she had to say:

      "Thank you for writing regarding encryption software for mobile devices. I sincerely apologize for the delay in my response.

      In September 2014, Apple and Google announced that they would provide stronger encryption for some of their smart phone models. Specifically, phones using Apple's iOS 8 system will receive unique encryption codes. Apple will not have access to the encryption keys for these devices and will therefore be unable to remotely access them or assist in an effort to unlock them. This means that Apple will not be able to comply with court orders for information stored on these devices as part of legitimate law enforcement investigations.

      I welcome efforts by Apple, Google, and other companies to improve the security of their devices in order to prevent cyber intrusions and the theft of personal information, which can have devastating consequences for victims. Throughout my time in the U.S. Senate, I have fought hard to enact legislation that promotes cybersecurity and protects private information on the Internet.

      At the same time, for many years, law enforcement has been permitted to seek and obtain a wiretap from a court under the Fourth Amendment. Such capabilities have led to the convictions of many dangerous criminals. Therefore, it is important to recognize that the law enforcement community does have valid interests in protecting all of us from those who would commit serious crimes or commit terrorist attacks. As technology continues to evolve, I believe we must strike an appropriate balance between personal privacy and public safety.

      Again, thank you for your letter. Be assured that I will keep your thoughts in mind as I continue to follow this issue. If you have any further comments or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841.

      Sincerely yours,

          Dianne Feinstein
                        United States Senator
      "

    5. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've probably written the word "her" on any number of occasions. What's your point?

    6. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Last time i wrote her she basically replied with a form letter saying I was wrong. Good luck...

    7. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be assured that I will keep your thoughts in mind as I continue to follow this issue.

      And i you believe that, I have some gorgeous land in Florida to sell you, complete with a bridge.

    8. Re: I Wrote Her --Did You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's by the keys I'll take it

    9. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could say a lot of bad things about her, but "slut"? Dude, you need serious help. Calling an old bat like that a slut is just crazy.

    10. Re:I Wrote Her --Did You? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I think you should google that phrase before assuming he was REALLY calling her a slut.

  10. brain dead even for the people brain dead merkins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    elect? Wow that is a whole new level of dead.

  11. A question I keep asking that no one ever answers by itsownreward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Suppose I use some third-party encryption that is made available anonymously or from another country, so there's no company to compel to reverse it. (Think TrueCrypt, or something from Schneier's Applied Cryptography.) Now suppose I plead the fifth and refuse to decrypt it. What then? We start blocking any site that hosts such a thing? Burn books on cryptography? Ban people from running compilers? Code escrow of all source with the NSA on pain of death?

    Sure, there's the obligatory XKCD wrench decryption, but otherwise... I'm not sure how this makes a lick of sense.

  12. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will always forever continue to use the most secure encryption methods possible, and will never be compelled to decrypt it for anyone, ever, period. End of story.

    1. Re: Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I'll go to jail for this.

  13. Aye, there's the rub. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    The person who wrote this either has no idea how technology works or just doesn't care.

    Are the sponsors just ignorant do-gooders, or are they just sucking up to someone?

    (Or both.)

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    1. Re:Aye, there's the rub. by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 1

      I would have to go with the "ignorant suck ups" option not shown. I don't think there is any "do-gooding" going on with Fienstien and Burr as the "both" option would imply "ignorant do-gooder suck ups".

    2. Re:Aye, there's the rub. by Niddix · · Score: 1

      Sad part is, neither of the "sponsers" probably had anything to do with writing the bill. I doubt they even read it before they slapped their name on it.

  14. Re:Feinstein is one of those FTFY by zlives · · Score: 1

    I mostly blame it on people voting strictly based on AGAINST A party and not the actual candidate... yayyy so excited for Hilarity

  15. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Suppose I implemented a freely available and easily obtainable encryption algorithm...

    This is the problem. The mindless retards who write this kind of legislation are so incredibly stupid they don't understand that outlawing encryption is like trying to outlaw Pi, nuclear fission or Fermat's theorem.

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  16. So no more MP3s... by ddtmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it bans any algorithm "that can't be decrypted on demand to their original state", that pretty cuts out MP3s, and pretty much every streaming audio and video service. Good luck with that...

    1. Re:So no more MP3s... by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      ... and JPGs and other photo compression algorithms. It might shut down all broadcast and pay TV or radio systems as well. And what about digital voice transmissions over cell, VOIP and traditional land line communications? Prepare to eliminate telephone communication, movie production, DVD, TV, and movie theater entertainment.

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      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
    2. Re:So no more MP3s... by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      If it bans any algorithm "that can't be decrypted on demand to their original state", that pretty cuts out MP3s,

      It talks about "intelligible information". E.g., the law requires that a recipient of a court order:

      provide such information or data to such government in an intelligible format; or

      MP3s can be made into intelligible information by a very very large number of programs and devices. You might even say that there are so many programs and devices that use MP3s that mp3 IS an intelligible format all by itself. And the same with streaming video, TV, etc that the other poster worries about. And the same for "file compression" as in the title.

      I'm sorry, but the worry that this law covers "lossy compression" is just a waste of time and is complete FUD.

    3. Re:So no more MP3s... by aralin · · Score: 1

      Well, it bans UDP, because it loses packets. It bans the damn rm -rf command. It bans faulty disk drives. We could go on for a while.

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      If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
    4. Re:So no more MP3s... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Schneier, the press, et al. are disingenuously interpreting the bill's definitions of "intelligible format" and "data". "Original form" as used in the bill refers to the original meaning of the information communicated by the data, not a bit-for-bit restorative format of it. It's a draft bill anyway so its likely that the language will be refined before and if it ever makes it to floor vote.

  17. Compiling by HelpTheNewOverlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If lossy compression is affected, wouldn't compiling be affected too?

    1. Re:Compiling by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Yes, confirmed. Compilers/assemblers also impossible to do legally under this law. I hope you didn't throw out your abacus.

    2. Re:Compiling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If lossy compression is affected, wouldn't compiling be affected too?

      Well, not really. What Schneier is basing his alarmist view on is one section of the draft bill that defines the word "intelligible" as it pertains to data.

      (10) INTELLIGIBLE.—The term ‘‘intelligible’’,
      with respect to information or data, means—
      (A) the information or data has never been
      encrypted, enciphered, encoded, modulated, or
      obfuscated; or
      (B) the information or data has been
      encrypted, enciphered, encoded, modulated, or
      obfuscated and then decrypted, deciphered, de-
      coded, demodulated, or deobfuscated to its
      original form.

      Now the bill requires that if any company receives a court order to provide data in an "intelligible" format or assist the government in obtaining data in the same format, the information has to be restored to its original form. Obviously something like an audio file that has been encoded in a lossy format will never be restored to its bit-by-bit original condition. However, what it seems Bruce is overlooking is the definition of data that appears in the bill:

      (5) DATA.—The term ‘‘data’’ includes—
      (A) communications and any information
      concerning the identity of the parties to such
      communications or the existence, substance,
      purport, or meaning of such communications;

      BAG16460 Discussion Draft S.L.C.
      (B) information stored remotely or on a
      device provided, designed, licensed, or manufac-
      tured by a covered entity;
      (C) communication identifying information;
      and
      (D) information identifying a specific de-
      vice.

      The meaning of data is sufficiently loose enough that what is required by an intelligible format is a file that conveys the original meaning of communication (data as its defined by the bill), rather than an exact duplicate bit-for-bit reproduction. Anyway its draft legislation so the language will undergo some tightening up.

  18. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by snadrus · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's like the ban on exporting encryption software or source files which had the simple workaround of a bound book of source code being sent overseas to legitimately write compatible software.

    If passed, workarounds would be found.

    Worst-Case: Tech Industry leaves America for saner shores (it's not like these companies are all that patriotic).
    All to prevent fundamentalists from destroying America, well, wait what?

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    Science & open-source build trust from peer review. Learn systems you can trust.
  19. Not even the MOST braindead thing about it by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Won't forcing all US-made encryption software to include backdoors simply force all encryption software developers overseas??? Any company that wants to remain in the US will have to contract it's encryption out to a non-US company. Thanks, DiFI, for sending my job offshore!

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    1. Re:Not even the MOST braindead thing about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It already happened -- all of the openBSD cryptography was written out of US back in the era of ITAR regulations.

      And guess what happened to all the local contributor and debugging experience....

    2. Re:Not even the MOST braindead thing about it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Won't forcing all US-made encryption software to include backdoors simply force all encryption software developers overseas?

      No, worse. It will force all web businesses overseas, too; the ones that don't leave will simply be destroyed. It will be illegal to use encrypted passwords!

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Not even the MOST braindead thing about it by delt0r · · Score: 2

      Read the PGP story. It is a great read. The classified encryption as a munition for some time in order to try and control it. It didn't work. One workaround the export restriction was to print all the source code and post it overseas where it was scaned/OCR/typed. The rest of the world doesn't have restrictions on encryption (then or yet).

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      If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
  20. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by zlives · · Score: 0

    i don;t think you know sen. shitforbrains all that well.

  21. Riddle me this: by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Ok, Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein, explain to me how to insert a back door into a one-time pad encryption system! (One-time pad (OTP), also called Vernam-cipher or the perfect cipher, is a crypto algorithm where plaintext is combined with a random key. It is the only existing mathematically unbreakable encryption.)

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    1. Re:Riddle me this: by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      By the way, unbreakable encryption has been around since 1882! Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    2. Re:Riddle me this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make the software store a copy of the key safely in the cloud. If bandwidth is a concern, make the client generate the key in a predictable way.

    3. Re:Riddle me this: by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      Easy:
        You have to provide a copy on the pad to the government.

    4. Re:Riddle me this: by vux984 · · Score: 2

      "Ok, Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein, explain to me how to insert a back door into a one-time pad encryption system"

      Easy, all OTP ciphers must be registered with the new created FBU run Decipher Unit Message Box service (aka DUMB); which will store the OTP key and provide a hash of the file. All ciphers transmitted must be prefixed with their hash.

      Companies can use this nice RESTFUL API to submit copies of the key to the DUMB service as it is generated; as compliance with the backdoor policies.

      " It is the only existing mathematically unbreakable encryption."

      Sure. Unbreakable by math; but backdoors are more about circumvention of security rather than actually breaking it.

    5. Re:Riddle me this: by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Key management is a headache though.

  22. Re:Feinstein is one of those FTFY by dejitaru · · Score: 1

    Very true, especially with presidential elections it isn't so much "I like hime, i'm voting hime" but "I don't like the other person, so i'm voting for the opponent"

    Not like it matters there, since the electoral college chooses the president.

  23. Reaches into the past, too. by KeithIrwin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In addition to requiring all encryption products in the future must have backdoors, it also requires that all encryption software from the past already have been backdoored unless you want to have to brute-force it in response to a court order to "render technical assistance".

    If passed, this would open up a novel new extortion attack where you intentionally use non-backdoored software to encrypt some data, thoroughly delete the unencrypted versions, create a lawsuit where that data is part of discovery, and then get your opponent in the lawsuit (who is conspiring with you) to ask the court to order the company which distributed the encryption tool to render the technical assistance needed to decrypt. Thus the company will be on the hook for the cost of all the needed electricity to run all the CPUs or GPUs to brute-force the encryption key, except that you conveniently offer that if they can help work out a settlement in the lawsuit (i.e. pay you or your conspirator), then maybe the lawsuit can be dropped, thus vacating the court order.

  24. cyber encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be kidding. US cyber security does understand cyber space and all the cyber threats that go along with it. The problem is that we can't have cyber citizens in cyber space sending each other unbreakable cyber data. What about cyber terrorists? How would we stop their cyber threat?
    Obviously we need the cyber capability to crack this cyber data.
    Cyber is serious people, super cyber serious.

    Thanks for listening,
    Cyber Bob

    1. Re:cyber encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post of the motherfuckin week!

  25. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the court has a search warrant, the fifth may not cover your refusal to decrypt - if your ownership of the encrypted data is not in doubt (e.g. there is proof that you authored the document) then your knowledge of the decryption key is not incriminating since it merely demonstrates your ownership of the data which is already known by other means; ergo the Fifth wouldn't apply. Now the contents of the document may well incriminate you, but the decryption key itself would not be covered, so legally you must cough it up. If the court is demanding you decrypt the document in order to prove that you own it, *that* would be covered by the Fifth.

    The situation is analogous to a locked chest - if the chest is in your house and there is a search warrant for the contents of that chest, you are legally obliged to hand over the key so it can be searched (if you don't then the court can jail you for contempt, order its destruction to get at the contents, etc). Even if it contains your stash of drugs, the handing over of the key isn't covered by the Fifth since the chest is in your possession so the possession of the key isn't incriminating even though the key will allow the court to discover the incriminating evidence inside. This is an annoying distinction, but one that has hundreds of years of law behind it. If the chest is in a public park and the court suspects but does not know that you own it, your refusal to hand over the key would be covered by the Fifth.

    Back to the encrypted document hypothetical - you'd be tossed in jail for contempt of court for refusing to comply with a legal search warrant, where you would rot until you handed over the decryption key or until your refusal becomes moot (the court acquires the encryption key some other way, case is dropped for other reasons, etc).

  26. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Even worse, suppose you use one-time pad encryption, and they can't prove who has the pad?

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  27. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    Um... IIRC, a southern state (Tennessee?) passed a law defining pi as exactly 3 because it made calculations easier. This explains a lot about the mental capacities of legislators.

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    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
  28. Examptions by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 1

    ".. unless No Such Agency is willing to backdoor its own encrypted communications."

    How many people think there won't be an exemption added to allow "authorized Federal agencies and their agents" to use encryption?

    1. Re:Examptions by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Oooh, and past and present senators too!

  29. How this law will work by jodido · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't matter what this law will say. What matters--and this is of course true of every law--is how it will be enforced. They don't care about MP3s or even cryptography as such. What they care about is being able to decrypt the communications they want to decrypt. It's much easier from their point of view to write an overly broad law even if it appears stupid because it's only the enforcement that counts, and they control the enforcement.

    1. Re:How this law will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's hard to enforce selectively. Precedents will be set, and it will make the law useless. They might as well propose the Clipper Chip again.

    2. Re:How this law will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the panicked readers of the proposal could find out if this will end up as part of the criminal law, telecommunication related regulation, something else, or as a combination of all mentioned in little pieces. Allowed interpretations depend greatly on the category of the law applied. There is no need to read a law proposal like a hypochondriac reads medical text book, or an engineer reads a holy book of a religion.

    3. Re:How this law will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's hard to enforce selectively. Precedents will be set, and it will make the law useless. They might as well propose the Clipper Chip again.

      I first read that as Clippy Chip. That would be so much worse.

    4. Re:How this law will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't care about MP3s

      Maybe THEY don't, but let's see where the RIAA and the other "MAFIAAs" go with yet another batch of legislative overreach.

    5. Re:How this law will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a horrible thought. Pass an overly broad law(s) which almost everyone is breaking, but only enforce it against the "bad" people. Until tomorrow when a different set of people are bad.

      Isn't there a concept of equal protection under the law? That laws are not selectively or arbitrarily enforced?

    6. Re:How this law will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if they want to change their minds later, they have the latitude to do so. Convenient!

  30. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  31. Don't use the word 'slut' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey now, the sluts have done nothing so bad that they deserve to be compared to Feinstein!

    She's trying to screw an entire country. They're not on the same level at all.

  32. Checksums by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every file checksum or password hash would be illegal. Maybe even every spreadsheet report without the original data.

  33. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mindless retards who write this kind of legislation are so incredibly stupid they don't understand that outlawing encryption is like trying to outlaw Pi, nuclear fission or Fermat's theorem.

    Oh, they understand it. They just cannot do anything about it yet. When the full fascism gets implemented, they will have the power to make sure you know that the earth is flat, made 2,000 years ago by some deity that says they are the boss and to never question them, Pi is something only the boss gets to eat, nuclear fission is the method by which you are protected from Satan, Fermat's theorem one thing in a list of similar things that will get you killed by the boss if you find out about them, and encryption is something you never speak of because the boss will rain fire from the sky to destroy the Satanic summoning you are trying to do.

  34. Play stupid games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It is no surprise that these clowns wrote this non-starter of a law. They will keep asking to take everything. I wonder who they are shaking down? Tech companies, for donations? Trying to distract the privacy guys so they can ram in the TPP? Who knows.

  35. NOT so innocent by axewolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What you are supposed to get out of this story:
    "HEHE Look how SILLY this law is!
    That silly old government [with the most educated people in the world filling its offices] keeps making silly dumb laws!
    If only we could get people who understood the ISSUES to make laws for us everything would be OK! OH WELLLLL"

    This is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Feigning ignorance to herd people into a viewpoint which is more sympathetic to the subject than the viewpoint of the truth: malicious intent against the viewer.

    This law is a power grab. There is nothing ignorant about it. This is pressure on an important area for the rich/high-class/corporate interest.

    Don't ever fall for this trick!
    Now the question is, why is this site and the referenced news agency helping with this deception? Surely a PROFESSIONAL would be aware of the possibility of this deception? Of course they are.
    So why are they helping?
    It couldn't be because the tangled interests essentially make the media interest and the corporate interest one body could it?
    No, that would be CONSPIRACY and would be very wrong indeed to think about!!!

  36. They do know what they are doing... by rezulir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think those who wrote this brain dead legislation know exactly what they are doing. There is just too damn much freedom on the internets.

    1. Re:They do know what they are doing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's like outlawing 2 kids in the tub at the same time. (Totally illegal in Los Angeles) Just because you make a law, doesn't really mean anything. You have to enforce it. And just as with bathing, there are too many powerful interests which would die under this law. So it won't happen. Like AMC changing their policy to allow phones. Yesterday I dared them to do it, and today they reneged. So easy. Clipper Chip was easy too. /shrug

  37. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

    What then? We already went through this a few decades ago when we declared strong encryption as a munition, subject to export restrictions. We're just now getting over the negative repercussions of that little debacle, so naturally, it's time to do the same thing all over again... except its even worse. This time we're denying ourselves strong encryption.

    Third party security software not subject to US laws will, of course, proliferate, and the only ones who will be harmed by this are those who actually deign to obey the stupid law. Anyone who has something to hide will just encrypt data at the application level, and there's *nothing* that can be done about that.

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  38. Burr is one of those too. by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've known Richard Burr since 1994. He was an appliance salesman who wanted to be in Congress. I was a campaign organizer for his opponent in that race. He has no understanding of tech issues which makes it all the more ridiculous that he is Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    Burr is doing this because he is up for re-election this November. His opponent in the race is Deborah Ross, an intelligent and hard working former member of the NC House of Representatives and former State Director of the North Carolina ACLU. If you really want to fix the Burr problem, consider making a donation to the Deborah Ross for Senate Campaign. https://secure.actblue.com/con...

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    "He took a duck in the face at 250 knots." -- William Gibson, Pattern Recognition
    1. Re:Burr is one of those too. by aralin · · Score: 2

      Thank you for the link. I just contributed and I will vote for anyone who will run against Feinstein in primaries and general election. I've wrote to her saying that much.

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      If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
    2. Re:Burr is one of those too. by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Why is your political system designed around campaign contributions? Why the hell do you think that is the deciding factor?

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      If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
    3. Re: Burr is one of those too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, so. Is his opponent. Ms Ross hasshownherself to be party gal through and through. If the Democratic Party tells her to jump, she'll ask how high. What a shame this is what politics are these days.

    4. Re:Burr is one of those too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't answer the first question, but as to the second question, that is because most people are too lazy to do any real research about what a candidate is like beyond what gets shoved in their face. To win an election for these offices you need lots of money to shove your information in lots of peoples faces as if they haven't heard about you they are unlikely to vote for you.

    5. Re:Burr is one of those too. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Why is your political system designed around campaign contributions? Why the hell do you think that is the deciding factor?

      Because your message is meaningless if no one hears it. Air time is expensive, and while the campaigns don't need to pay for the endless debates that have aired, commercials need to be paid for, people walking door to door have to be paid for. Everything that gets mailed to a house has to get paid for.

  39. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what do you suppose 50GB entropy.bin contains?

  40. Consequences by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    Soon, the only allowed encryption in the U.S.A. will be ROT26.

  41. At last, now we know what this was all about! by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    They'd been trying to make MP3s illegal for almost 2 decades now. Suddenly this bill makes a lot more sense.

  42. Where's the ban? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've just read the discussion draft legislation linked in the TFS. There's no "banning" of anything that I can tell. And if this is the most "brain-dead piece of legislation" that Bruce Schneier has ever read, then he hasn't read squat. It's draft legislation, not a final bill to be submitted for a vote.

  43. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by kheldan · · Score: 1

    See, here's one of the reasons why this 'legislation' is so stupid: It's like other countries (or the U.S. for that matter) trying to compel a web hosting service that exists outside their borders to do anything: they have no jursidiction, therefore all they can do is make threatening noises. A de-facto banning of encryption is useless since you can't stop https traffic from outside the country.

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  44. "braindead" is apt by mark-t · · Score: 1

    As the bill would technically outlaw thought... since thoughts cannot be reconstructed entirely in their original state afterwards since even the very act of remembering something can and often does make changes to how that thing is remembered.

  45. Feinstein... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feinstein herself has been braindead for some time now, so no surprise here.

  46. Tor? by Stephenmg · · Score: 1

    It also looks like it would outlaw Tor. It mentions communication identifying information which basically equates to a user IP address.

  47. It's been staring us in the face... by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    ... for quite a while now. American voters have got to break free of the 2-party system. If we don't accomplish a major overhaul of elected officials to a new crew of 3rd party/independent faces SOON, it's gonna be game over. We need a critical mass of politicians operating with the firm knowledge that the ammo box is apparently all we voters have left to get our message across if they don't get with the program.
    For starters, I'd say any candidate who can't get behind this simple, direct effort to undo the Citizen's United fiasco... http://www.movetoamend.org/ should be eliminated from consideration. Please add your signature to the cause and mebbe we'll get this in some faces in time to do some good.
    I've been preaching and voting for a few decades to try to break the rest of you from the MSM lie that you must vote dem/rep or, horror of horrors, you might get someone from the OTHER party elected... :eyeroll:
    Do me proud America, show the world we eventually come around and flex our collective freewill might as no other nation in history. Vote every last one of the scoundrels out and replace them with anything BUT dem/rep candidates everywhere possible. If that strikes you as "silly" or "crazy" then answer this for me... how's it going with the dem/rep answers...?

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    1. Re:It's been staring us in the face... by delt0r · · Score: 1

      The Greeks viewed "parties" as a corruption of democracy. Of course they had plenty of corruption anyway. We call it representative democracy, i prefer the to call it limited term dictatorship. Once elected officials have no legal obligation to do anything in line with their election promises.

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      If information wants to be free, why does my internet connection cost so much?
  48. This is the kind of thining that resulted in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    19 trillion in debt that lets be honest can never ever be paid back.

  49. Re:boneheads. write your own critters to kill this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wrote Feinstein about this twice before the release of this bill. Her response assured me that she considered my input, that doesnt seem to be the case though.

  50. What a stupid waste of time by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    By all means, you are free to waste your time in any way that you see fit, no matter how pointless, but asking the rest of us to join in your little farce is idiotic. Dianne Feinstein does not give one tenth of one shit what "her" "constituents" think, unless you mean her corporate masters. No one on her staff (let alone her) will even do more than skim the top of your letter to see what it's about before clicking the button to send you back a form letter than says "fuck you, I'm not interested" in the nicest way possible. Feinstein reliably does what is worst for the people.

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    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  51. You Mean by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    "Outlaw file compression by commercial companies"? I'm pretty sure those two asshats are too fucktarded to realize that non-commercial and non-US entities write software. In fact, I'm pretty sure that no part of my last phone was actually manufactured in the USA. I'm also somewhat curious as to whether the requirements of the law could be met by providing a brute-force decryptor that would meet the requirements of the law by allowing decryption of the file sometime between now and 14 trillion years from now.

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  52. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by PRMan · · Score: 1

    You honestly think Feinstein is a Christian?

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    Peter predicted that you would "deliberately forget" creation 2000 years ago...
  53. Hate to see you guys from the USA getting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more and more sucked into this quicksand. What a waste of good people.

  54. Dear Congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Congress,

    Don't let morons introduce tech laws. Have them drafted in a committee with people who actually understand technology.

    Thanks,
    The People

  55. My workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's not encrypion. It's a math problem."

    If you want to use my computer, you have to solve a boolean satisfiability problem. The answer is a 16-digit alphanumeric "solution." It's not my fault if you're not smart enough to figure out the solution. And I think it would spoil your eduction if I simply told you the answer. It's one of those things you'll have to figure out on your own. X^D

    (This type of wordsmithing is similar to workaround that lawyers use to allow math and CS101 material to be patented. The magic "make math patentable" trick is "you can't patent math, but you can patent an equivalent a physical process." This technique always fools corporate lawyers and patent clerks.)

  56. Re:boneheads. write your own critters to kill this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Her response assured me that she considered my input, that doesnt seem to be the case though.

    Sure. She considered it the way one might consider a turd before flushing.

  57. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Um... IIRC, a southern state (Tennessee?) passed a law defining pi as exactly 3 because it made calculations easier. This explains a lot about the mental capacities of legislators.

    It was Indiana.

    And being an Indianan, I hang my head in shame.

  58. Bipartisan bullshit by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    When a bill has bipartisan authors and sponsors, watch out! If the party of evil and the party of stupid agree on something, we the people are about to get screwed.

  59. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A website could operate in a foreign country, with a cryptographic algorithm coded in javascript. The bill wouldn't touch that, well unless we had our own great firewall.

    The same web site could offer a web service to encrypt and decrypt things. Sure, lots of weaknesses there, but if you didn't capture the traffic at the time... Any application could use that web service...

    I could take a zip of a known very big file, and just xor all my files with that. (zip is reversable). As long as no one is ever told which very big file I used... (Yes there is one time pad reuse issues there, but realistically, it would probably stump some people.)

    Hell, you could deliberately let a vm get infected with ransom ware, and let the ransom maker be responsible for the encryption. All you have to keep secret who has the decryption keys. That would get expensive, but you could do it, well as long as you don't care about losing them much.

    You could get a copy of Mersenne Twister code and use that via XOR. Just keep secret the initial seed used for the one file, and don't reuse that key and it should be decent. Of course you again have key reuse issues, but if you only had say one disk to encrypt/decrypt I'd think it could work...

    Admittedly all of these are weaker forms of encryption, but this is just what I could think of off the top of my head.... Do they really think all the bad guys are too stupid to figure out how to encrypt something without it being built into a COTS product?

    You'd have to ban programming languages too, including all the trivial ones and graphing calculators/etc. Perhaps you would need a security clearance to be permitted to own such dangerous tools..

  60. The government should fear the citizens by melted · · Score: 1

    >> The government should fear the citizens

    Sen. Feinstein is in a rather rabid opposition to this idea. She's been proposing one gun ban after another for as long as I can remember.

    1. Re: The government should fear the citizens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds to me like she understands it completely, and is terrified.

    2. Re:The government should fear the citizens by KGIII · · Score: 1

      She is one of my least favorite politicians. Then again, I'm hard pressed to think of a single politician that's currently in office that I like - other than Sanders. I liked Ron Paul quite a bit.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  61. Re:boneheads. write your own critters to kill this by melted · · Score: 1

    >> write your own critters to kill this.

    Do you really believe they actually read any of the stuff you write? All I ever got back were obviously canned responses with not even a passing resemblance with the things I wrote about.

  62. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by GaAs+oldAce · · Score: 1

    Um... IIRC, a southern state (Tennessee?) passed a law defining pi as exactly 3 because it made calculations easier. This explains a lot about the mental capacities of legislators.

    It was Indiana.

    And being an Indianan, I hang my head in shame.

    The sad thing is that pi would be 3 in a universe with a different curvature of spacetime. It is clear they are not here in the same reality with the rest of us 3.14159265'ers! If pi is 3 in Indiana, then in that state the angles of a triangle do not add all the way up to 180 degrees.. so many things hypothetically broke when they did that. :(

    Every time I pass through Indiana I cannot escape the foreboding feeling that there is something fundamentally "wrong" with the universe around me.. and that no one will tell me what it is. Maybe it is just simple paranoia.. but I don't think so! I will constantly be driving along I-70 and wondering if my GPS is right or not, if the road is where the screen says it is and if I actually am on it where the arrow says I am! If the ratio of the diameter of my tires to their circumference is more than 3 then how can I be sure that my speedometer is right? I am probably speeding if I keep the needle on my speedometer at 70.. but... how can I even be sure that is right seeing as it is governed by angles too?

    I wonder if it is a coincidence that Indiana is the state where I lose an hour traveling East from crossing from the central time zone into the eastern time zone.. but no it is because the speed of light shifted with the faulty geometry of spacetime in the state of Indiana! I will constantly be asking myself if I just experienced missing time from being abducted by aliens or if the governing body of the state are just blistering idiots!

    I wonder if you could get a speeding ticket in Indiana and argue that their radar gun's reading was wrong because using 3 for pi, does not come up to what the radar gun read out.. I would make Johnny Cochrane spin in his grave screaming: "If Pi is 3.00000000, you must acquit!"

  63. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by GaAs+oldAce · · Score: 1

    That begs a question that would probably need a legal precedent to determine, if no "encryption" algorithm was used but you still used some other sort of steganography technique they couldn't break, if you are then guilty of a crime. You could have had navajo code talkers translate all of your incoming and outgoing emails as a "value added" service instead of using encryption like those dirty drug dealers and terrorist hackers do, but are you breaking the law? If I tell you, "I put that thing in that place I put it that one time".. will a 3 letter initialed agency bust down my door?

    If it becomes illegal to use steganography as well as encryption, then the first amendment and the fourth amendment and the fifth technically go away don't they?
    My question here, "How exactly is this constitutional?"

  64. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, that can't be. Indiana isn't in the South, so it can't possibly have done anything like legislating pi. Only Southern states attempt to coerce nature (physis) with laws (nomoi).

  65. This is how it works by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Start with a sledgehammer, and file it down to a nice sharp edge. Eh, whatever, as long as we can spy on the state and take away its privacy, it won't matter. But let's all forget about ours. It's gone. But let's not forget that these are elected officials that want to impose this stuff. Y'know, in case you're interested in following the chain of events to its source.

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  66. cunts will be cunts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feinstain understanding encryption.

    Hillary Clinton asking in an email via home server how to charge her iPad, running for Commander in Chief of the US military.

    Motherfuckers are genuinely clueless. This is why God made Hell.

  67. Uh, naturally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any bill from Senator "Shoulder Thing That Goes Up" is bound to be stupid to anyone who knows anything about the subject at hand.

  68. Often 51%/49%. You should run, communist scum by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Important issues are decided by thin margins often enough; you can make a difference. On the issues you care most about even more so, because other legislatures will have different interests, so they'll listen to your point of view on the issues you know about and care about.

    You've made enough intelligent posts to catch my attention, so you are apparently smarter/ better informed than the average citizen.

    It's odd you haven't noticed that as an economy swings further toward socialism and communism, that requires more government control, the reduction of liberty. It happens every time. So kinda odd you'd be both inform

    1. Re:Often 51%/49%. You should run, communist scum by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You're familiar with the caricature of what a Libertarian is. Most of us aren't Ayn Rand fans, I certainly don't believe in mandatory collectives, and most of know government is a necessary evil. At some point, I'll write out my position - I've done it many times. Next time, I'll make sure to bring it to your attention. Read the link the guy gave you below, just the first four paragraphs. (I think they linked to the Libertarian article.)

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  69. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello, I have wonderful news for you. It was just a bill, it was never made into a law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

  70. Submitted too soon by raymorris · · Score: 1

    A stupid browser bug causes my posts to be submitted as I write, mid sentence. Anyway ...

    Kinda odd that you'd be both reasonably well-informed and call yourself a libertarian yet still lean socialist. More socialist/ communist invariably requires more tighter government control of the citizens. Still, at least you have some clue, which is better than most candidates.

    1. Re:Submitted too soon by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      Read up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The political spectrum is not one-dimensional left/right, at the very least it's two-dimensional left/right and authoritarian/libertarian. And you should also read up on socialism and marxism in particular, and the end goal of the withering of the state, which is the complete opposite of statism. Realize that with welfare and perhaps even unconditional basic income (UBI) comes freedom from worrying about the future and your next meal. Freedom to be a completely free actor and not bound to an unfair employer.

      Pure collectivism and pure individualism are both deeply flawed. We need to realize that we are collectives of individuals, and that we can only achieve individual greatness if we work together.

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      Eat the rich.
    2. Re:Submitted too soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They really don't, unless your libertarianism just boils down to taxes. All the most free countries in the world are socialist. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland.

  71. It's a great Law! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At last, a Law that makes illegal using JPEG, MP3, etc.!

    It was about time PNG, FLAC and others file formats to be vindicated!

    PS: I'm aware of Lossless JPEG and MP3HD extensions. The first is only used in medical and DNG and the later is plainly dead. So, I don't take them into account.

  72. How about move the HQ to Canada, leave branches in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And does that company still count as American company? If not...

  73. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by arkhan_jg · · Score: 1

    Then they send you to prison for refusing to decrypt it?

    See the UK for example - the RIP Act - where you can get a sentence of up to 2 years for failing to decrypt, when ordered, anything the police have a 'reasonable belief' that you have the keys to. Several animal rights' activists have already been convicted under this law.

    Forget the password for that encrypted backup? Get sent an encrypted email you don't even have the key for? Have some file of randomly generated garbage you used to test drive throughput that might be mistaken for encrypted data? Better hope the police don't go looking for a reason to put you away...

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    Remember kids, it's all fun and games until someone commits wholesale galactic genocide.
  74. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Hello, I have wonderful news for you. It was just a bill, it was never made into a law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

    I know. But the mere fact that it even found a Sponsor is a testament to the scientific ignorance of most politicians.

  75. 2nd point contradicts the rest of the outline: by tomxor · · Score: 1

    Providers of communications services and products should protect United States persons’ privacy with strong data security while still complying with court orders and other legal requirements.

    They don't seem to understand at all that security is synonymous with encryption and is impossible over an open network without it, the people who wrote this probably just think in terms of storage access and communications as a direct line... In other words they don't know what an internet is.

  76. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget about dead-tree file encoding.
    Tens of kilobytes fit on each side of a page.

  77. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a phony news story back in 1998 saying that Alabama did this, but it's been debunked.

    And it looks like the Indiana bill was never passed, so your Hoosier integrity is intact! :)

  78. you keep voting the way your daddy did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and we're all gonna be screwed.

    Save America -- Re-elect no one.

  79. In reality, coercive unions and forced stocks by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I'm familiar with the ideals, the dreams that socialist libertarians have. Let's look at how some of those most important ideas have been put into actual practice, how it actually works out.

    They dream of worker collectives, such that you don't individually negotiate your pay, the collective does that. To ensure that happens, of course individual negotiation has to be illegal - the company MUST negotiate with the union, and therefore the worker MUST join and financially support the union. Meaning that a percentage of your is under the control of the union bosses (and the politicians they finance). Since wages aren't tied to individual performance, how do you deal with slackers? In practice, you can either MAKE them work, or you can ignore them, meaning that productively (and everyone's pay) suffers. Either authoritarian control or economic failure, those are two options when each worker's well-being isn't tied to their own efforts.

    They seek collective ownership of the means of production- of factories, ships, etc. Right now we have VOLUNTARY collective ownership- you can choose to invest $500 or $5000 in a company that is building a new factory and you become a part-owner, a stockholder. Socialists of all stripes seek would have a system in which everyone MUST participate; AMD's new fab WILL be built with your money, whether you like it or not. They don't realize that's just the same as Wall Street except you're forced to finance the new coal mine. That's the only option other than voluntary financing. The mine is either built with money from people who volunteered their savings (in hopes of participating in profits), or it's built with money taken by force. Unless of course no productive facilities are built at all.

    So it really is binary/ternary. It costs $50 million to build a new car factory. You really do have to decide whether that $50 million is invested willingly (current system) or if it's taken by force. If the money is neither invested willingly nor taken coercively, no factories , ships, or semiconductor fabs can be built.

     

    1. Re:In reality, coercive unions and forced stocks by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      They dream of worker collectives, such that you don't individually negotiate your pay, the collective does that. To ensure that happens, of course individual negotiation has to be illegal - the company MUST negotiate with the union, and therefore the worker MUST join and financially support the union. Meaning that a percentage of your is under the control of the union bosses (and the politicians they finance). Since wages aren't tied to individual performance, how do you deal with slackers? In practice, you can either MAKE them work, or you can ignore them, meaning that productively (and everyone's pay) suffers. Either authoritarian control or economic failure, those are two options when each worker's well-being isn't tied to their own efforts.

      What you're describing is exactly how it works at my workplace. I'm a member of the union that has a collective agreement with my employer. Every year, they handle the collective pay raise negotiations with the company, usually ending up with some fixed percentage raise for every worker covered by the agreement. You get this raise even if you're not actually a member of the union, because the collective agreement covers all applicable positions at the company, not the employees themselves.

      But we're still 100% allowed to sit down with our managers and negotiate a further pay raise, based on individual performance. The collective pay raise is just a base level, not an upper limit or an all or nothing deal. Of course, the company can simply deny my request for a bigger raise, but that's how it's always been, collective bargaining or not.

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      Eat the rich.
    2. Re:In reality, coercive unions and forced stocks by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Eh, that came out kinda wrong. What I'm saying is that collective bargaining works great at my workplace.

      And the way to deal with slackers is the same way it's always been. You first give them a warning or two, and if that doesn't help, you fire them. Why do you think collective bargaining would stop that?

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      Eat the rich.
  80. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by macs4all · · Score: 1

    There was a phony news story back in 1998 saying that Alabama did this, but it's been debunked.

    And it looks like the Indiana bill was never passed, so your Hoosier integrity is intact! :)

    Maybe for that particular gaffe; but there are so, so many other examples... ;-)

  81. Re: A question I keep asking that no one ever answ by itsownreward · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, as it stands now in the US I can use the Fifth Amendment as a defense. Regardless, if you are apt to get in much more trouble for what you have in there you can do a few months for contempt standing on your head.

  82. in a world of unlimited budgets by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Every year, they handle the collective pay raise negotiations with the company, usually ending up with some fixed percentage raise for every worker
    > But we're still 100% allowed to sit down with our managers and negotiate a further pay raise,

    In a world of unlimited budgets, spending $x million on a 5% raise for everyone who punches clock, sober or not, wouldn't deplete the budget and affect in any way your ability to work hard, know your job, and get a 20% raise. On earth, the company has a certain amount of money, say $10 million. Once $9 million of that is spent without regard to performance, only a little bit is left for the motivated workers. My last employer was like that.

    At my last employer, everybody got about 2.5% each year. The total budget was increased by about 3%, meaning that 0.5% was available for raises actually based on merit. I studied my field in order to get better at my job. My boss gave me appropriately the maximum raise he could, about 3%. Another company me 85% more. I'm enjoying my new job making almost twice as much and the old employer no longer has one of their best employees.

    1. Re:in a world of unlimited budgets by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      You're completely missing the fact that the company is not obliged in any way to keep the slackers and clock-punchers employed. If you're not doing your job (or actively doing it badly), you'll be the first to go in the next round of layoffs. Sure, they'll spin something about how they're "not laying off people, they're reducing unneeded positions", but we all know what they really mean.

      Either way, the best way to get a proper raise, collective bargaining or not, is to change jobs. An extraordinary pay rise for exceptional employees is always an option. Your old workplace obviously didn't value you enough to give you a big raise, so you found a better employer. Unfortunately, loyalty is very rarely rewarded these days.

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      Eat the rich.
  83. Top talent doesn't seek 3% (neither does competent by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > You're completely missing the fact that the company is not obliged in any way to keep the slackers and clock-punchers employed.

    Top talent, even reasonably competent people, don't seek organizations where they can hope for a 3% increase. 3% companies get the clock-punchers. Remember I mentioned my current employer was able to offer me 80% more, and nexr week I expect an offer that's another 20% higher. My old employer couldn't offer even a 10% raise BECAUSE their budget was mostly exhausted by 3% for everyone, including the drunk. After the highly competent people go to places where their hard work and skill is rewarded, the unionesque shop is left with whomever remains. These are the facts of my experience.

  84. Re:Top talent doesn't seek 3% (neither does compet by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

    And you are only a single data point. I can tell you that overall, the system has worked great for decades here in Denmark. It has only started showing cracks as a succession of right-wing governments have systematically tried to hollow out the unions' rights and tip the scales even more in favor of the big companies. A number of companies have managed to weasel out of paying any raises at all, apart from in the top management. Forget 3%, how about 0% with absolutely no possibility of a personal raise?

    Don't like it? Go ahead and find another job, if you can. There's still a significant job shortage thanks to the financial crisis that started in 2008. You got lucky and found another job, maybe you're in a very specialized field. For the vast majority of people, it's a matter of either sucking it up, or going without a job.

    All of the things you complain about are the fault of the company you worked at. If they valued good employees, they would have given you a raise and kept you employed. Instead, they're just going to find someone willing to work for even less, now.

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    Eat the rich.
  85. Sen. Dianne Feinstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dianne Feinstein is a textbook example of a politician who never let a good crisis go to waste.

    She first gained national attention when she became mayor of San Francisco, due to the prior mayor being murdered. She was in the right place and the right time, and eventually rode that wave into the Senate.

    Despite coming from Northern California, Senator Feinstein has always been clueless about technology. Many years ago, she was at an Apple event to promote the original Macintosh. She didn't know which button to press on the mouse. Mac mice only had one button.

  86. Re:A question I keep asking that no one ever answe by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    But, that can't be. Indiana isn't in the South, so it can't possibly have done anything like legislating pi. Only Southern states attempt to coerce nature (physis) with laws (nomoi).

    Indiana is pretty much the South of the North. Always has been.