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Canonical To Release Ubuntu Linux 16.04 LTS 'Xenial Xerus' Tomorrow (betanews.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Canonical announced today that it will be releasing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on Thursday, April 21. The sixth major release of Ubuntu Long-Term Support (LTS) features the new 'snap' package format and LXD pure-container hypervisor. "The addition of 'snaps' for faster and simpler updates, and the LXD container hypervisor for ultra-fast and ultra-dense cloud computing demonstrate a commitment to customer needs that sets Ubuntu apart as the platform for innovation and scale," said Dustin Kirkland who leads platform strategy at Canonical. Ubuntu 16.04 LTS introduces a new application format, the 'snap', which can be installed alongside traditional deb packages. The snap format is much easier to secure and much easier to produce, and offers operational benefits for organizations managing many Ubuntu devices, which will bring more robust updates and more secure applications across all form factors from phone to cloud.
Thursday, April 21....where? Can't we just do it in UTC. It is Thursday, April 21 in New Zealand (18.23% PURE and dropping) already but there is no release. Is the date based on South Africa? U.S.?
I reserve the write to mangle english.
My wife isn't a computer person and is totally fine using Ubuntu Linux. She thinks it's basically the same as Mac OS, but with a different color scheme.
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I may be asking too much here, but I would love to know what people think of 16.04 from a real-world, practical perspective. What can you do with it that you couldn't with previous versions? What, in your opinion, has improved? Any issues? For example, I haven't been keeping a close eye, so this is the first time I've heard of this new snap system. Is it any good?
But I suspect the forum will just be filled with the usual "systemd sux!" and "pulseaudio sux" and "I can't stand Unity, and Shuttleworth is an asshole, use linux mint or instead!"
But here's hoping for a civil discussion for once.
Not even close: ...
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18.04 "\Backetty \Slashhound"
I figure that there's room for at least 10 more years of releases.
Ubuntu server is actually very decent : no unity bullshit.
Linux Mint + MATE is just about perfect for my desktop needs,
when it circles around, again, I think they should consider 'boaty mcboatface'. I've heard the name is available...
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It includes ZFS as a standard supported file system. That's the most interesting new feature from my perspective.
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Scroll down for the release notes on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xenial...
I've skimmed over it, and truthfully, I don't see major changes for my use case (normal desktop user of Kubuntu).
I think the idea is that snaps replace .debs, which in fairness can be awkward to install outside of a repository if they have dependencies, and can break things if they don't integrate with the packages already installed.
How it does that isn't fully explained. The articles I've read imply that you could, for example, use a snap to install the latest version of GNOME on an older LTS release of Ubuntu, but doesn't go into the consequences (would both GNOMEs be available? Are they using something like Linux Containers to do this?)
The bottom line though appears to be that someone distributing proprietary software (or software just precompiled to make things easier) no longer has to either maintain a repo or offer .debs to be installed with a long list of instructions.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I used to use Slackware. Don't get me wrong. I love Slackware, but I just don't have time to compile stuff anymore. Not everyone has time to make their own distro, just saying.
Plasma 5.5 is the default in kubuntu 16.04. If you're on KDE4 now you'll notice quite a big difference (for the better , IMO).
http://www.kubuntu.org/news/ku...
LOL - "no even Linux anymore." - how do you figure? It's Linux sure enough, and works just fine. I don't see what all the Ubuntu hate is about these days. The biggest difference between Ubuntu and say Fedora is the package management (and Ubuntu has the option for the Unity desktop, which I rather like. There are just a few small things that I wish were changed and it would be awesome).
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
An AC said: "Which could get Canonical into hot water with the GPL."
Whether or not this is a licence violation depends on Linus Torvalds and The Linux Foundation. They are the ones that set the terms for how Linux is licensed. Under U.S. law at least, it's the copyright owner's intent that matters, and not some third party interpretation interpretation of the licence text.
Torvalds has previously stated that a kernel module can't violate the kernel licence agreement unless it is a derivative work of the kernel (and the module licence violates the GPL). At the very least, it needs to have been designed with knowledge of the Linux internals. Since ZFS was developed independent of Linux, it seems unlikely that The Linux Foundation will be suing Canonical.
If you want to thoroughly understand the issues, you could read Eben Moglen's opinion (he's the lawyer behind the GPL 3): https://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/linux-kernel-cddl.html
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I use MySQL on Debian - have zero problems with systemd -- could it be your chair?
It took me about a day to get used to systemd - I didn't ask for the change - but it seems to be somewhat helpful in the long run. Mostly invisible on the servers I run - just don't notice the difference. Worst feature of systemd? This command is too long to type when I'm sleepy:
# systemctl list-unit-files --type=service
Needs an alias.
For the old farts that can't adopt ( I'm 61 - so you must really be old ) - there is help:
https://wiki.xtronics.com/inde...
I don't see what all the Ubuntu hate is about these days.
This is normal. Ubuntu was exciting, a Linux distro that was suitable for the desktop. They'd even mail out free disks for you to distribute to friends and family, spreading the Good News, the gospel of Linus. Slashdot loved it. It was easy enough for your grandmother to use, painless to setup, and required very little maintenance. Everyone was happy.
Then, it became popular. It was easy to find answers to questions, support, drivers, whatever you needed.
Slashdot hates popular things -- especially popular things that are easy to use and support. If you want to be cool, be intentionally obtuse. Slack, Arch, and Gentoo are a safe bet for now.
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Okay, so software libraries were invented to have a standard place to put shared, common code, which allows bug fixes and so on to be applied in one place.
And so stuff like "snap" packages are much less annoying, because every app gets it's own different versions of the libraries.
But this means that if, for example, you try to fix a bug by updating a library, the snap package that uses that library won't get the fix, because it's go it's own variant of the library.
And to actually fix a bug in a library, you need to update the version embedded in each snap package...
(Someone please tell me this is wrong.)
Wait... you installed a completely different distribution because you didn't like Unity? You didn't just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop or whatever?
Having one central version and each app having its version both have pros and cons. The pros for each are both good, so the pendulum keeps swinging back and fourth. It will continue to do so until someone makes the effort to get both supported in an elegant way where everything is shared by default but programs with issues can be easily and automatically converted to the other way.
From a developer's perspective, if your source control tree doesn't include every library you're using you're doing it wrong. Anyone should be able to checkout your code and run a single command to do a build. The only dependency should be the build tool (even better if there aren't any dependencies).
From a system admin's perspective, trying to manage every program's libraries is a nightmare and wastes disk space.
People who don't understand the pros and cons keep building system ontop of system to switch their current method to the one. They don't bother to consider why their current exists the way it does and instead only look at the pros of the new system. "I'm smarter than the guy before me, so we must do it this 'new' way." Most developers have no respect for current designs and know nothing about how we got there. For instance, almost no software follows the original OOP design. What people program now is a bastardization of the original principles. How is OOP on topic? The original OO design requires programs to include their own copies of libraries.
No, that's it.
But what's worse, you need to update the whole snap package. That assumes that whoever built it is tracking for vulnerabilities and updating the snaps. If statistics on docker images is any indicator, that's going to be very poorly done, if at all.
So yeah, welcome to the year of Linux Malware....
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Why XUbuntu is IMHO much nicer (and more responsive) than KDE.
Slashdot hates popular things -- especially popular things that are easy to use and support.
My Linux machine boots from a RAID because I was short on SSDs when I built it. Thus I didn't want systemd in case I had a problem sometime and needed to troubleshoot boot. Therefore, I installed Mint Rebecca. If it weren't for systemd, I'd be using Ubuntu. I'm not eschewing systemd for its popularity, but for its being known to cause complications with the sort of problems I anticipate down the road.
I chose Ubuntu because of its popularity, and that was what I liked best about it. People bothered to do stuff for it. That is always a feature.
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