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A New AMD Licensing Deal Could Create More x86 Rivals For Intel (pcworld.com)
angry tapir quotes a report from PCWorld: AMD has announced a plan to license the design of its top-of-the-line server processor to a newly formed Chinese company, creating a brand-new rival for Intel. AMD is licensing its x86 processor and system-on-chip technology to a company called THATIC (Tianjin Haiguang Advanced Technology Investment Co. Ltd.), a joint venture between AMD and a consortium of public and private Chinese companies. AMD is providing all the technology needed for THATIC to make a server chip, including the CPUs, interconnects and controllers. THATIC will be able to make variants of the x86 chips for different types of servers. AMD is much smaller than Intel, and licensing offers it an easy way to expand the installed base of AMD technology. The resource-strapped company will also generate licensing revenue in the process, said Jim McGregor, principal analyst at Tirias Research.
... that AMD would be licensing Zen to a company in the country where Zen (buddhism) was founded.
The resource-strapped company will also generate licensing revenue in the process... until it suddenly doesn't.
Historically top of the line desktop processor tech is considered munitions and not exportable to places like China. What changed?
I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
Intel chips are obsolete.. AMD's fused cpu/gpu architecture with hbm/hbm2, HSA, asynch shaders new generation gpu's, etc..etc..etc.. is going to bleed Intel big time..
Intel was able to put a lot of money to make its chips fast.. but for a high price.. which morons always payed the huge profit slice.. Now AMD can make faster chips for a fraction of the price.. now that AMD has 14 nm, 16 nm, and son 7nm chip foundry technology..
I bought at $1.78, and I will retire in 5 years with the profit I already started making.. while my Intel stock has always been around the $20.00 to for the first time lately $30.00... A very lack laster performance compared to APPLE, Qualcom, etc..
Now it is amd turn.. I'l sit and relax seing my AMD go 10x plus over the next years...
Todays AMD is not the AMD from yesterday.. noe it has all the teeth, while bully Intel is years behind AMD's latest architectures..
Intel is just a cpu company, it was never able to build a high end gpu because it does not have high end gpu technology..remember Intels Larrabbee gpu fiasco..?
AMD has a lot of new surprises to come..
Holy crap an AMD stockpump on slashdot?
"AMD has a lot of new surprises to come.."
I have been hearing this since Bulldozer. AMD consistently over-promises and under-delivers. Until AMD actually ships this stuff, its vapor and not much more. I would like to see AMD succeed, but they actually have to get a compelling product out the door first.
"Intel is just a cpu company'
,br> And SSDs, NICs, wireless solutions, chipsets. They also make barebone PCs called NUCs.
Good-bye
I'm definitely not doing much of those tasks on ARM CPU's. X86 isn't going away any time soon. ARM simply sucks for many tasks still. And when I looked for a cheap PC to do simple tasks, I still looked for an Intel, not an ARM computer.
Giving away the secret sauce for few hundred million to a quasi state Chinese venture who will eventually rob you blind seems like a desperate gasp of a long has been trying to stay afloat.
Youre kidding. Its a huge server platform. Intel did drop the ball on mobile and should have been out on the market early on that one. But, somehow, they let it get away from them.
Aren't you the clever one, intentionally misinterpreting the "x86" shorthand reference to Intel-derived processors to mean only the 32-bit incarnations of that same architecture rather than the contextually-obvious reference to the entire sprawling Intel x86 & AMD64 family, as opposed to, say, PowerPC or ARM or what-have you. Have a cookie and go play in traffic. :)
Intel has an x86 smartphone CPU. x86 is a huge server platform. PCs are not going anywhere, people are just replacing their PCs every 7 rather than 3 years. This creates the illusion that the PC market is shrinking. its not. Smartphones are hellish when you want to do any real work. Not many want to do their taxes on a smartphone.
x86 does not mean 32 bit. 64 bit procs are still x86 architecture.
Seriously, that will be the end of AMD in no time flat.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
A lot of people prefer PCs. Its user base is not shrinking.l the problem is people are replacing PCs far less often than they used to. This creates the illusion that its shrinking. Its not. But its enough of a problem to create a hit on the bottom line of the CPU companies.
With Intel laying people off and vowing to concentrate on the server market, wouldn't AMD be better off going after what's left of the desktop market? It's shrinking to be sure, but I think there's still a lot of meat on those bones, especially now that Intel won't be vying so hard for market share in that space. It would probably be a safer bet than handing over their IP to the Chinese.
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Often x86 is used to mean any processor with an ISA descended from the original 8086, including modern 64-bit CPUs. So they mean AMD is licensing their x86-64 (or x64 or AMD64, whichever way you like to put it) technology which is not as powerful as Intel's, but is still fully current in terms of ISA. They specifically mention AMD's "Zen" processor which is the new 64-bit architecture expected to release this year.
I just said this a second ago and I'll say it again: AMD's designs aren't the problem; it's their (or Global Foundry's, rather) uncompetitive process tech.
but isn't x86 more or less obsolete?
Pretty much, which is why Apple's giving up on x86 and transitioning to the PowerPC architecture.
My tablet has an Intel Atom in it. I hardly use it though.
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
Have you ever heard of Intel NUCs? My current HTPC is an Haswell (14nm) Intel NUC running OpenElec/Kodi off a SD card ($5). It cost $129+$20 for RAM. No hard drive but it has room for one if needed. It streams from my NAS and uses about 6-10 watts under normal viewing. Its integrated into an all-aluminum housing with a nice finish and includes the power supply.
I did build a AMD AM1 platform system in the Antec ISK 110 case, but it definitely cost significantly more than the NUC. Also the NUC has a built in IR receiver.
You really have no idea what you are talking about...
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I don't see AMD eating into the Chinese MIPS market (though I'd love to see more MIPS devices Stateside).
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
The issue with Intel in low-price market segments is that they insist on artificial segmentation. When I built my NAS, you simply could not buy an Atom motherboard with more than two SATA connections. AMD was happy to sell E-350s with as many as motherboard makers wanted to put on them. Intel has slowly relaxed this, but they still put other artificial limitations (such as no hardware virtualisation support) on their low-price chips that mean that you can't get the slow-and-cheap Intel chip that does what you want, letting AMD undercut them: you'd have to buy a much faster (and more expensive) Intel chip than you need to get the other features.
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http://www.amazon.com/Intel-NU...
Good-bye
http://ark.intel.com/products/... The only virt this doesnt support is VT-d. I have spent the last few years exploring Intel's bottom line of processors, from NUCs to tablets, they are solid. Times have changed. Like i said above, i built a machine out of AMD's newest low power platform (AM1), i wasnt impressed relative to intel.
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Are you sure that Intels market segmentation isnt the result of poor yields?
If something is broken on a lot of chips when they are made, you gotta figure out how to sell them anyways.
"His name was James Damore."
And because AMD is fabless, they might be able to score some time at TSMC's 10nm fab when it opens this year (2016.) Intel will not be able to (unless both TSMC and Intel disregard unofficial industry rules, something Intel would want but TSMC would view as suicide.)
Intel has admitted that it wont have 10nm up and running until next year (2017). and has denied speculation that it wont be until late next year at the earliest. They managed to turn their 2 year lead into at best 6 months behind, and they cant even keep their current fabs running 24/7 these days (leading to 11% layoffs) because GloFlo and TSMC are killing them on everything but desktop cpu's.
Intel is suddenly not in a good position. They better pull a rabbit out of their research divisions ass.
"His name was James Damore."
Intel did drop the ball on mobile and should have been out on the market early on that one. But, somehow, they let it get away from them.
They forgot who they were competing with. ARM and AMD arent their competition. TSMC, GloFlo, Toshiba, etc are their competition.
All of these companies will have equal (2) or better (1) fabs this year.
(2) GloFlo and Toshiba are already running off 14nm chips.
(1) TSMC opens up a 10nm fab this year.
"His name was James Damore."
I wonder what their rates are for allowing a backdoor? Probably cheaper than Intel's.
And because AMD is fabless, they might be able to score some time at TSMC's 10nm fab when it opens this year (2016.) Intel will not be able to (unless both TSMC and Intel disregard unofficial industry rules, something Intel would want but TSMC would view as suicide.)
Intel has admitted that it wont have 10nm up and running until next year (2017). and has denied speculation that it wont be until late next year at the earliest. They managed to turn their 2 year lead into at best 6 months behind, and they cant even keep their current fabs running 24/7 these days (leading to 11% layoffs) because GloFlo and TSMC are killing them on everything but desktop cpu's.
Intel is suddenly not in a good position. They better pull a rabbit out of their research divisions ass.
That is the problem AMD did not expect. You are Qualcomm or global foundaries. AMD asks you to make 5 million chips for a cheap profit margin as competition from INtel is so fierce and winning on price for OEM's on their cheapest lines is the only win. Then Apple and Samsung knock on your door and ask to make 50 million chips and will PAY YOU MORE. Hmm which would you chose for your lines?
The answer is to tell AMD to shove it you care only about mobile product lines and until you pay me more and give me more quantities I will simply give my latest .14 nm and 10nm to Apple and Samsung. Bye ... oh and I have htis aging obsolete 5 year old plant in China somewhere that is .28nm maybe you can use that etc.
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Intel gave up on desktops. They started the death spiral. Laptops won't get faster, just GPU bumps.
Look at numbers for Haswell vs anything since. It's not much. Microsoft's windows 10 move further hurt them because people can sit on PCs longer. Microsoft had to save themselves.
Intel needs to blow out performance on PCs to get upgrades started again and for that to matter, we need a new killer app for PCs that require real CPU power. Something that can't be done on a tablet right now. Something that isn't easily offloaded onto cloud computing.
I'm just hoping AMD doesn't give up on gamers or desktops. I need FX or core i7 CPUs for what I do and I realize it's not common, but there are CAD users, programmers, engineers, etc that need CPU performance. They killed workstations because of PC speeding up and now they want to kill PCs... what are we supposed to use?
Yeah, they can't sell to grandma anymore and I'm going to have to pay a lot again like I did when I first started using computers, but I still need a fast PC and a laptop CPU won't cut it.
And for the record, I also have multiple PCs. My wife is also a programmer and a gamer. She has a 6 core intel haswell-e desktop and used to buy Mac Pros . I've got a core i7 4770 with 32GB of RAM, 3 SSDs and 2 hard drives. I've also got lowend servers running for building software and running websites. I know I'm not the norm, but there are segments like me out there.
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A great deal of people have no idea how to use PC. That's why apps are broadening. They are taking the functionality to where the users are. These masses are not "missing out" on, say, using a practical spreadsheet on a PC, because they don't know how to use spreadsheets anyway. (And about half of Americans, at least, cannot do algebra. Source=first 31 years of my life.)
Mine too. I use it all the time when I don't need to type too much.
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China is investing, with zero expectation on ROI, in semiconductors under the guise of National Security according to the US Dept of Commerce. See http://electronicspurchasingst...
Then Apple and Samsung knock on your door and ask to make 50 million chips and will PAY YOU MORE.
Amazing how you are bewildered by economics. A better product of course demands a higher price. Your bewilderment is evident in that you think only TSMC can demand a higher price, when in reality anyone paying TSMC that higher price can also demand a higher price on the other end.
You guys are such uneducated simpletons.
"His name was James Damore."
Something broken like ECC support?
No, their market segmentation is very deliberate and shrewd and has been so since the 875P chipset which was the last or close to the last non-Xeon design to support ECC.
Speculation on the possibility of deminishing returns in future cannot and should not drive this policy decision decision.
Anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly applaud this decision on any but financial grounds (has AMD obtained a a good price for its licenses ?) has left the Path of True Capitalism. Be told.