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North Korea Launches Missile From Submarine (cnn.com)
schwit1 shares breaking news from CNN: North Korea has fired what is believed to be a submarine-launched ballistic missile off the east coast of the Korean peninsula, the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff said Saturday. The missile was fired at 6:30 p.m. local time (5:30 a.m. ET), South Korean officials said, and appears to have flown for about 30 km (about 19 miles) -- well short of the 300 km (roughly 186 miles) that would be considered a successful test... Pyongyang carried out its fourth nuclear test in January. It said it succeeded in miniaturizing nuclear warheads to fit on medium-range ballistic missiles -- which U.S. intelligence analysts say is probably true.
We need a dramatic and overwhelming response NOW to this aggression. Lets send some students to protest!
Right - Europe is far LESS able to absorb middle-eastern and african refugees, culturally, than China and SK would be able to absorb NK refugees!
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WHY do we keep sending "humanitarian" aid to a country devoting a huge portion of its GDP to building offensive weapons instead of food for its own people?
I used to think that there was a near 100% certainty that a nuclear attack on the United States would result in a near immediate overwhelming nuclear response, the oft-described "glassing over" of any country that attempted a nuclear attack on the United States.
Lately, though, I'm more worried that our leadership is inclined to look at a small-scale attack on a US city as an acceptable strategic loss in a larger chess match of diplomacy and posturing, with endless strategizing, with the relentless presence of lawyers generating briefs to justify any kind of US response in a sea of legalism. We seem incapable of prosecuting military campaigns under the rubric of warfare, only in carefully measured and fully structured
I think the DPRK really would rather not get into a nuclear conflict with the US, but I do think that trying to get the US mired in a conventional conflict would be considered a positive strategic outcome.
DPRK is like a giant warehouse of every Soviet/Chinese conventional weapon system made since the 1950s and they've had 50-odd years to dig in everywhere. It's not that the US couldn't defeat the North Koreans, but doing so in any conventional way would require a massive, grinding and costly application of conventional military forces.
DPRK would probably do a lot of damage with artillery to Seoul, take some initial heavy losses and then with Chinese involvement engage in long rounds of truces and negotiations designed to stymie a military response that would do any serious damage and make the US and RoK appear as aggressors.
If by poke you mean "completely ignore", yes, we should. Stop sending them food and force them to attack someone. Then nuke them when they do. Problem solved.
Except China.
Every end has half a stick.
It has been 70 years already since the first nuclear bombs were used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is only to be expected that scientific and technological progress democratizes these things. My phone has more computing power than every single 1945 computer in the world put together.
Millions of people know fairly advanced physics and electronics.
I am not a Naval buff, but NK apparently lost a submarine at sea a few months ago. I wonder if that was a failed test. Do any enthusiasts know whether NK has hidden drydocks to work on submarines, and whether NK's subs generally have the ability to launch missles?
If the USA is ever attacked by North Korea, then EXPECT a disproportionate response. The US population will demand it, and the opposition party will ensure that appropriate rage is whipped up. The people of South Korea will face a massive artillery barrage, but North Korea would absolutely be flattened by the USA an its allies.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Pretty soon North Korea will have a boat capable of reaching Japan (depending on the winds and tides).
Pretty clueless, aren't you. There's more going on and more at stake in the world than whether or not the NK is literally invading your neighborhood.
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