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Microsoft: Windows 10 Will Remain Free For People With Accessibility Needs (betanews.com)

Reader Mark Wilson writes: The free ride is coming to an end. Windows 10 was always going to be free for the first year after release, and this year is up on 29 July. There are, of course, still ways to get your hands on Windows 10 for free beyond this date. One way is to buy a new PC with Windows 10 installed, although not many people would regard this as a free upgrade. But Microsoft has also confirmed that people with accessibility needs will still be able to upgrade to Windows 10 for free after the deadline. Writing on its Accessibility Blog, Microsoft points out that the 29 July cut-off point does not apply to people with accessibility needs.From Microsoft's blog post: As you may have heard, the free Windows 10 upgrade offer for customers running Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 is set to end on July 29, but we want to clarify that that deadline will not apply to customers who use assistive technologies. We are continuing to deliver on our previously-shared vision for accessibility for Windows 10 and we are committed to ensuring that users of assistive technologies have the opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 for free as we do so.

78 comments

  1. Microsoft cares! by secretsquirel · · Score: 1, Troll

    Glad to see they will still allow those who were unable to correctly click the update now button another chance!

    1. Re: Microsoft cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The button is now available in braile

    2. Re: Microsoft cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they should have fixed the accessibility bug I filed six months ago.

    3. Re:Microsoft cares! by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are they not merciful? All hail Microsoft!!

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    4. Re:Microsoft cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a threat: If you don't install Windows 10 by the given date, they'll send someone over to cripple you and *then* install Windows 10.

    5. Re: Microsoft cares! by doccus · · Score: 1

      Then they should have fixed the accessibility bug I filed six months ago.

      Thanks for filing. But, apparently not, according to all the complaints I see on their blog. And here's a semi humorous touch.. BEcause I have my font so large I nearly missed that submission altogether. Was off the screen (!)

  2. Or, pretty much anyone by ddtmm · · Score: 1, Troll

    Wouldn't anyone using Windows 10 be considered as having accessibility needs?

    1. Re:Or, pretty much anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm more concerned about how they're going to determine who gets it and who doesn't? Doctor's note?

    2. Re: Or, pretty much anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all in TFA. Copy of your disability check or proof of recent psychiatric admission.

    3. Re:Or, pretty much anyone by butzwonker · · Score: 1

      Definitely. However, if you're already using Windows 10, then there is no need to upgrade to it, isn't there?

    4. Re: Or, pretty much anyone by sremick · · Score: 5, Funny

      proof of recent psychiatric admission.

      Sounds like a good start. Require a psychiatric evaluation for anyone wanting Windows 10.

    5. Re:Or, pretty much anyone by zlives · · Score: 1

      during the upgrade check, it collects your medical data for better serving you.

    6. Re:Or, pretty much anyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can not blame people for having Win10. MS has even installed it without user's approval, not yet via daily nagging until one does whatever needed to get rid of those "Will you start upgrade? [ok]/[now]" -dialogs.

  3. Will the forced upgrades stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does this mean the forced-upgrades arms race will finally come to an end?

    1. Re:Will the forced upgrades stop? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      No. Starting July 29th, Microsoft will assume that anyone not on Windows 10 is blind and therefore could not see the "upgrade now" popup. As a service to the blind community they will provide all of them with an automatic free upgrade to Windows 10.

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  4. Finally stop the forced upgrades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Will this mean the end of the stupid forced, fuck-you-user, upgrades then?

    1. Re:Finally stop the forced upgrades? by dmoen · · Score: 0

      Nah. Your machine will still be forced to upgrade, but after reboot, the machine won't operate until you enter a valid credit card number.

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  5. Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The Windows 10 upgrade is NOT free. This is just basic economics. It requires that you trade in a license of win 7, 8, 8.1, which means that the upgrade costs you the current market value of the OS you are trading. If a Win 7 Pro license currently sells for $50, then upgrading to Win10 costs you $50, even though no money leaves your bank account. If you went into a car dealership and traded in your old car for a newer car of equal value, the dealer did NOT give you a free car. You paid for it with your old one. Understand?

    Stop buying into marketing lies. Waiving the additional fee for the upgrade may be a benefit, but it does not make it free.

    1. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except your previous license can still be used. so no, it's not a trade. you will never see a license key for windows 10 when you upgrade and you keep the option to roll back at your desire.

    2. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your argument is that Win10 isn't free, but your statement is that the upgrade isn't free.

      Just like your car example: it's not a free car, but it is a free upgrade. Same thing here: it *IS* a free upgrade.

    3. Re:Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      It requires that you trade in a license of win 7, 8, 8.1, which means that the upgrade costs you the current market value of the OS you are trading. If a Win 7 Pro license currently sells for $50, then upgrading to Win10 costs you $50, even though no money leaves your bank account.

      Wrong. It doesn't matter what a new copy of Win 7 costs, it's what you could get for your own copy of Win 7. If you could sell your copy of Win 7 for $50 then the upgrade has a(n) (opportunity) cost of $50. Now, it looks like depending on your situation it is legal to resell a Win 7 license, but with new copies going for $50 or less, a used key would probably net you $25-30 at best. But in the end, the upgrade did not cost you money. It simply cost you the opportunity to make (very little) money. You sound like you went to an MPAA sponsored accounting class.

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    4. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by alantus · · Score: 1

      It is an upgrade *if* the new car/OS is better.

    5. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is no place for "facts". Get out of here you troll.

      Leave us real Slashdotters to repeat our anti-Micro$oft (I made a funny!) rhetoric ad nauseam.

    6. Re:Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by butzwonker · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's one reason why the upgrade is not free. Another reason is that you will loose many hours if not many days in productivity by botched upgrades, newly introduced bugs, features like advertisements or Cortana that slow down your PC and make you less productive, forced OS updates that come at the wrong time, and so on.

      Additionally, you will likely loose the equivalent of a 30% price increase with every application purchased from the Windows store, since professional developers have to take into account the share they owe to Microsoft in their pricing as additional business expenses. (Now to be honest, I suck at these percentage calculations and believe the right way of calculating this is not as a 30% price increase, because the basis for the 30% difference should be the new price not the old one. But I'm too fucking lazy to figure this out now and therefore leave this as an exercise to the reader.)

    7. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by mlts · · Score: 1

      I have debated if it is worth backing a machine up, upgrading to W10, then rolling back, so the BIOS ID is with MS and will auto-activate if I ever want to actually move to W10 for good.

      On the other hand, a new copy of W10 Pro is two C-notes, likely less, and if I actually bother to get a VLK + SA, the point is completely moot.

    8. Re:Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you want proof that Windows 10 is not free: try to upgrade a computer that is still running Windows XP.

      And yes, for those who like to nitpick arguments to death, that computer is more than capable of running Windows 10. It's called a custom build.

    9. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      except your previous license can still be used. so no, it's not a trade. you will never see a license key for windows 10 when you upgrade and you keep the option to roll back at your desire.

      Yes, it's a trade (with some caveats) You can roll back, sure, but you can't use your Windows 7 license on a computer, upgrade that computer to Windows 10, then install your Windows 7 license to a different computer, for example.

    10. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the problem when you try to use a car analogy or any other physical world analogy for software. You can't roll back your car. Oh... ummmm... well, you know what I mean. You can't make a million copies of your car and send them to people in milliseconds either.

      In theory you can roll back your install of Win10, but it will definitely cost you some time.

    11. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      except your previous license can still be used. so no, it's not a trade.

      How? After a month your bits and bytes of Windows 7 installation media are useless. They won't activate anymore. It's dead weight.

    12. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought there was a time window to roll back? Like you only have 30 days to roll back.

      And once you upgrade to Windows 10,
      You CANNOT have a Windows 7 installation as well using the key you used to upgrade. So you do lose your copy in a sense. You can roll back sure, but only for a certain amount of time.

    13. Re: Win 10 Upgrade is NOT free. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, I just assumed you couldn't roll-back as it deleted the old installation, not that you couldn't reinstall the old version again. On the other hand it's pretty easy to activate Windows 7/8 using Windows Loader by Daz, if you aren't really bothered about being legit.

  6. Interested to know the mechanism by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

    Does this imply a specific build of Windows 10 that has accessibility options permanently enabled? That would seem unlikely unless it just enforces 1 option to be active at all times.

    I am guessing if that were the case, the "hold ctrl to find the mouse cursor" option would not count...

    The solution would have to be automated though, right? I mean, MS isn't going to make a huge amount of work for themselves by verifying doctor's notes or something like that...

    Interested to see how this will work and how long it lasts (since it seems like a pretty easy system to "game").

    Perhaps MS is just creating a glaring loophole and giving everyone a "wink and a nod" to allow them charge for Windows 10 at the same time as making it "free" for anyone who wants it...

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    1. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the nagging, instead of "You should really upgrade to Windows 10 Now!", will become "You should really be using our assistive technology! Your should really upgrade to Windows 10 Now!"

    2. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by wren337 · · Score: 1

      Except for businesses. A business, or most businesses, won't go for the "wink and a nod" upgrade. So this gives them the home users that they want, so they can stop maintaining old versions, and forces business to pay for upgrades if they want to wait.

    3. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by ezelkow1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I dont think they are really leaving a loophole, its because they dont want to have to backport features. There are a huge amount of accessibility requirements that came down from the FCC for all manner of electronics and software that has to be implemented by the end of this year (thats why there have been multiple accessibility articles as of late, companies using this for free good press as they push out their solutions). So Im guessing MS does not want to have to backport features to win7/8/etc to keep those who need them happy and would rather they just upgrade for free

    4. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Why would MS have to backport those features?

      Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 are no longer being sold.

      Windows 10 isn't a free upgrade from Vista, and it isn't being sold any more than Windows 7 is.

    5. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Why would MS have to backport those features? Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 are no longer being sold.

      For one OEM installations are still being sold. Retail license sales are not their only sales.

    6. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont think they are really leaving a loophole

      Can you explain how MS is closing the loophole? You only argued that MS isn't creating the loophole on purpose.

    7. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      OEM installs of Windows 8.1 will end in October, 3 months before this law goes into effect.

    8. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Perhaps MS is just creating a glaring loophole and giving everyone a "wink and a nod" to allow them charge for Windows 10 at the same time as making it "free" for anyone who wants it...

      Why am I getting the mental image of a pig-faced prostitute with too much makeup, that nobody wants to bang, winking and and nodding from a street corner.

    9. Re:Interested to know the mechanism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The solution would have to be automated though, right

      It would be pretty easy for a tool to walk through the system registry, to see what a11y tools are installed, then walk through system logs, to see how often those tools are used.

      What I'm waiting for, is when the various organizations that theoretically assist those with a11y requirements consider Win 10 to be suitable for people to update to. The current recommendation is that those with a11y needs stay on Win7.

  7. Windows 10 Downgrade Still Free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good news everyone! Downgrading your OEM install of Windows 10 Professional to Windows 8 Professional or Windows 7 Professional/Ultimate is still free! And will still be free after 29 July 2016.

    https://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/what_to_do_downgrade_rights.aspx

    https://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/downgrade_rights.aspx

    1. Re:Windows 10 Downgrade Still Free! by StormReaver · · Score: 1, Troll

      Good news everyone! Upgrading your OEM install of Windows 10 Professional or Windows 8 Professional to Windows 7 Professional/Ultimate is still free! And will still be free after 29 July 2016.

      There, fixed that for you.

    2. Re:Windows 10 Downgrade Still Free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      does this mean that if i upgraded my win7 to win10, I can downgrade to 8.1?

    3. Re:Windows 10 Downgrade Still Free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your product key won't work for 8.1 once Microsoft "flags" it as being upgraded from 7 to 10. You will, however, be able to freely downgrade to 7 again (I would imagine they leave that alone for machine rebuilds from the original source media).

  8. Core target group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all know that people with mental disabilities are the core target group of windows. Yes, this sounds like an insult of people with disabilities, but windows was clearly designed for people with an 57 IQ.

    1. Re:Core target group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think you are confusing Windows with Apple.

    2. Re:Core target group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's been made for the clinical cases.

  9. "Bear trap will be free to unsuspecting victims.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Bear trap will close when your leg is inactive for a period of time."

  10. Many of us didn't want it to begin with.. by evolutionary · · Score: 2

    So, does this mean MS will stop trying to force feed that bloated piece of spyware now? (do any of us really think that is likely to happen...). Now they are trying to look cool be saying people with disabilities get added consideration? I smell tax credit somewhere...(I'm no tax lawyer but it smell like they benefit from this financial on top of all the data they intrusively collect and the ability to turn on/off features as they see fit...gee sounds like the iphone..)

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    1. Re:Many of us didn't want it to begin with.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the nagware will stay and they will just start sending bills to the people who install the Win10 by mistake. The only part of malware business they have not yet adopted for Win10 has been the extortion. And now they will implement it, but they do not yet have guts to ask even the disabled to pay for their mistake click.

    2. Re:Many of us didn't want it to begin with.. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So, does this mean MS will stop trying to force feed that bloated piece of spyware now?

      Does it also mean that they will remove that copy of W10 that they installed on my Windows 7 setup?

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    3. Re:Many of us didn't want it to begin with.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "So, does this mean MS will stop trying to force feed that bloated piece of spyware now?"

      My personal opinion? No. They won't. I'm kinda expecting the forced/surprise upgrades to Windows 10 will continue - but instead of giving you a shiny new OS that datamines you, it'll upgrade to 10 then enter into an unregistered state and demand payment - and if payment is not received after so long, it'll report back to MS that someone's got their hands on a "pirated" copy of Win10.

      But that's just my opnion. We'll find out for sure in August.

    4. Re:Many of us didn't want it to begin with.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, does this mean MS will stop trying to force feed that bloated piece of spyware now? (do any of us really think that is likely to happen...). Now they are trying to look cool be saying people with disabilities get added consideration?

      That rather sounds like Tom Lehrer's "National Make-fun-of-the-handicapped Week" to me. Strike at those least likely to defend against the attack.

  11. Re:Translation: by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    Wrong. While Microsoft may mistreat people with disabilities, Daesh... I was going to say that Daesh causes disability to people but they are more likely to murder them.

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  12. Oh Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't these poor people suffered enough?

  13. Re:"Bear trap will be free to unsuspecting victims by rossdee · · Score: 1

    "Bear trap will close when your leg is inactive for a period of time."

    Of course the leg may be damaged, but thats ok, its the bear arms that are valuable

  14. Interesting watching Microsoft adjust their game by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Forget all the "Windows 10 is spyware" stuff for a second; the interesting thing to watch is the tactics they're using. In my opinion they're pursuing a good strategy (for them) but it's going to really anger most "prosumer" users and smaller business users.

    The interesting thing about Windows 10 is that it's not a "free upgrade," it never was "free," The consumer versions (Home and Pro) of Windows 10 use data mining to pay the bills with Web 3.0 bubble money. From an IT perspective, the only option these days is Enterprise if you want full control over the machine. You only get Enterprise if you sign a Software Assurance agreement, meaning you basically are paying on an ongoing basis for the OS. The big difference is with Windows 7 and 8, small to medium shops would usually just re-use the Professional license that the OEM obtained when they built the PC, without having to re-license it, because the Professional version gave enough control over the computer. With Windows 10, you can't disable the Store or the telemetry on anything except the Enterprise version, nor can you access the Long Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) which is the closest thing you can get to the old RTM + Service Pack update cadence.

    Honestly, it's just semantics. Since it's still a "product," Microsoft still needs to tout a free upgrade as the stepping stone from the previous OS versions. They're just taking a one-time revenue hit pulling everyone up onto the same version of the operating system much the same way Apple has been trying to do. In return, they get all the "grandma PCs" running ancient versions of Windows out of the ecosystem and can redeploy all those development resources doing legacy stuff to the new versions. Windows 8 is basically in the coffin, and Windows 7's end-of-support date is constantly being moved up in such a way that they don't violate any promises, but they do make it hard to deploy new copies of it. In reality they're going to be offering whatever channels they can for free upgrades to Windows 10; there's no upside for them not to at this point.

  15. What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if I still got the update for free after the deadline. Should I be thankful or should I feel offended?

  16. Borg by Holi · · Score: 1

    Window 10 will remain free until you are all assimilated. Resistance is futile.

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    1. Re:Borg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are Dyslexic of Borg.
      Refutance is systile.
      Your ass will be laminated.

      CAPTCHA: illegal - Is it illegal to laminate a donkey?

  17. Free was not good enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So free was not enough to convince all those people that they need new and bloatier spying windows in their computer... How about make rock solid operating system that you dont need to run admin rights, and that docent spy everything you do on computer, reserve rights to do what ever it desires in your computer...

    its not microsofts right to dictatte what we are allowed to do with our own hardware.

  18. Windows tax = free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "get your hands on Windows 10 for free beyond this date. One way is to buy a new PC with Windows 10 installed"

    Are you somewhat retarded?

  19. another idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Resistance is futile.

    Yes indeed it's SO FUTILE that Microsoft has to BEG people to upgrade

  20. Re:Translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Microsoft has committed itself to a campaign of computer terrorism, attacking people's personal computers and taking them over, installing malware and spyware, and doing everything they can to trick, pressure, and blackmail people into installing their shitty 'operating system', very often giving them no choice or ignoring their choice to not 'upgrade' to it. Then they issue North Korea-level propaganda about their 300 million installations and how Windows 10 is such a big success (Windows 10 is BEST Windows!). Microsoft should be prosecuted under anti-hacking laws and dismantled, victims paid restitution for their trouble, and the Microsoft CEO's head on a pike in the middle of Silicon Valley for his crimes.

  21. Won't Help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Win10 is hard enough to use as a non-disabled person.

  22. Windows 10 Makes Me Cry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love machines and technology. Which is why I get sad every time I fiddle with Windows 10. It's totally backwards.

    I never thought I'd see it, but Windows 10 might be the death rattle.

  23. i never wanted to do this by zlives · · Score: 1

    Oh, I'm a retard, and I'm okay,
      I sleep all night and I work all day.

    CHORUS: He's a retard, and he's okay,
      He sleeps all night and he works all day. ....

    now free retardation with your acceptance of win10 EULA

  24. New enhancement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see that the upcoming release has a new enhancement called "bash". Well, any of my Windows installs already have/had bash. That's what I do to the computer so that Windows loads and functions.

  25. Thank god by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    Now I can get back to using Windows 7 without wondering every day whether MS has tried to backdoor Windows 10 onto my machine.

  26. Re:Translation: by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yup... I've taken to calling Windows 10 a CTD, think STD for computers... I retired in 2010 from supporting/using MS products starting in 1991, and decided I was done with using MS products on my home systems. After seeing what a privacy nightmare 10 is, I couldn't be happier with my decision.. Since I'm retired, I have become the defacto "tech support" for my neighborhood, and recommend those who ask, and are running Windows 7 or 8/8.1 to STAY where they are, and I provide that wonderful little "GWX Toolbox" to jam up the forced "upgrade" to Windows 10 for those who take my advice (to stay on 7/8/8.1)... I've had quite a bit of success in moving quite a few folks over to Ubuntu, including several people who bought new systems and found it had 10 on it.. Every one I've upgraded to Linux has been happy with the improved response of their system and the lack of need for an AV..

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  27. Re:Translation: by Dogtanian · · Score: 2

    Microsoft's conduct in the Windows 10 forced-upgrade affair, privacy issues and in many other areas has been utterly contemptible.

    This doesn't change the fact that even beginning to compare this behaviour to the atrocities committed by Daesh is- quite rightly- going to be seen as the cheapest of arguments coming from an utterly insulated, out of touch and borderline sociopathic basement dweller intent on exploiting human tragedy for some navel-gazing argument.

    MS win here, because by making yourself sound like (or rather, exposing yourself as) that person, any argument you make is going to be ignored.

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  28. Re:"Bear trap will be free to unsuspecting victims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bear trap will close when your leg is inactive for a period of time."

    Of course the leg may be damaged, but thats ok, its the bear arms that are valuable

    Valuable enough that there is a constitutional right to bear arms.

  29. Sure, kick 'em while they're down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free data rectal probing for the disabled! Yipee!

  30. The slow and natual death of Windows by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    Paid operating systems are unethical at any price. Do we really want a software corporation deciding who is more deserving of cost reduction.