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Tech Layoffs More Than Double In Bay Area (mercurynews.com)

An anonymous reader shares an article on Mercury News: In yet another sign of a slowdown in the booming Bay Area economy, tech layoffs more than doubled in the first four months of this year compared to the same period last year (could be paywalled, here's an alternate source). Yahoo's 279 workers let go this year contributed to the 3,135 tech jobs lost in the four-county region of Santa Clara, San Mateo, Alameda and San Francisco counties from January through April, as did the 50 workers axed at Toshiba America in Livermore and the 71 at Autodesk in San Francisco. In the first four months of last year, just 1,515 Bay Area tech workers were laid off, according to mandatory filings under California's WARN Act. For that period in 2014, the region's tech layoffs numbered 1,330. The jump comes amid a litany of other signs that the tech economy may be taking a breather: disappointing earning reports from stalwarts like Apple, an IPO market that has come to a near standstill, a volatile stock exchange and uncertainty in China.

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  1. Number H1B requests to go up as well. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Number H1B requests to go up as well.

    1. Re:Number H1B requests to go up as well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Number H1B requests to go up as well.

      I like how everyone here is a Libertarian until their jobs are at stake. Makes me laugh every time.

      (What should we name these types of hypocrites? I propose Glib-ertarians.)

    2. Re:Number H1B requests to go up as well. by Maltheus · · Score: 4, Funny

      What IS there for them to DO?!?

      Well look, I already told you! I deal with the goddamn customers so the engineers don't have to! I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?

    3. Re:Number H1B requests to go up as well. by rockmuelle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Huh? H1-Bs aren't citizens and can't vote. It's only when you get citizenship that you can vote. The number of new citizens nationally is only in the mid hundreds of thousands each year, so not enough to impact elections. (source: https://www.uscis.gov/archive/...)

      Liberal Democrats (at least all that I know, and I live in Austin, so that's pretty much everyone I know) tend to support immigration for humanitarian, not selfish reasons.

      -Chris

    4. Re:Number H1B requests to go up as well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here is a secret kid. There are no grown ups. We are all faking it. We dress up in grown up cloths, drive grown up cars, and live in grown up houses. But its all an act.

    5. Re:Number H1B requests to go up as well. by mattventura · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the worst offender might be GitHub. They didn't even make Git, they just have a fancy frontend and host some servers. What do they possibly need 568 employees for?

    6. Re: Number H1B requests to go up as well. by Maltheus · · Score: 2

      Well, they were buddies before this all began, so who's to say he didn't happen because of her? We'll have to see how the election plays out. Will he throw it in the 9th round, delivering her a victory, happy to have destroyed the GOP in the process, or will his ego drive him until the end?

    7. Re:Number H1B requests to go up as well. by GodelEscherBlecch · · Score: 2

      Because if you say "Anchor baby" you're a racist!

      No, it is the implication that a person is wielding their child as a tool with criminal intent to defraud a society rather than, you know, being a human being and trying to make a better life for one's self and family that makes you racist. Having a (valid) logistical concern with the amount of immigrants society can bear is one thing, throwing your bigotry on top of that only demonstrates that you are not capable of dealing with the situation rationally.

      drop an anchor baby

      Congratulations, you managed to make an already disgusting term worse.

  2. Is it a slowdown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just looking at layoffs only shows half the equation. How many jobs were added during the same period?

    From TFA:
    "Today the Bay Area's total employment of 3,353,600 as of the end of March still reflects job growth, with102,600 workers added from March 2015 through March 2016."

    1. Re:Is it a slowdown? by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      What the hell is wrong with you? Stop with your facts. We need clicks!

  3. The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Informative
    In other news from TFA, big companies are still adding workers while other companies are laying off workers:

    The Bay Area's skyrocketing tech layoffs reflect a transformation in the sector, said Stephen Levy, director of the Palo Alto-based Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy.

    "We are being increasingly driven by the growth of the large companies," Levy said. "What you did not see on the list is layoffs from Apple or Google or Facebook or LinkedIn ... which are all expanding. This is the era of the large companies."

    In short, it's not all doom-and-gloom in the Valley.

    1. Re:The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is the era of the large companies

      Sounds like gloom and doom to me.

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    2. Re:The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well at least you are modest...

    3. Re:The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! by swb · · Score: 5, Informative

      its a wonder tech ceo's have not been targets of violence. just give it time, though. to create local 'terrorists' all you need is to push people to the edge where they think they have nothing left.

      If you look at the history of labor conflict in the US, it's often staggering how much violence there was. And not just sticks and stones conflict between police and pickets, but armed conflict waged more like a militia battle where it took Federal troops to impose order.

      And the ugly side of it was sometimes racially motivated, with groups killing Chinese or other ethnic groups wholesale, believing their lower wages were stealing jobs.

      It's hard to see that happening these days, but I'm not entirely sure why. Maybe we're better people, maybe because the economics of it aren't as dire as being an unemployed miner in Montana in 1880.

    4. Re:The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling! by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm really tired of this shit. work a job for a bit, then get laid off and be off for months if not longer. for now until I die, it will probably be like this.

      FFS, isn't it obvious: Leave Sillicon Valley and run for your life! The obscene cost of living leads to sky-high wages which means that when a small company hits a speed bump, mathematics requires them to dump staff much much faster than it would in a market where, say, a VMware admin (not architect, but admin) makes a salary more reasonable than the $140k that seems to be the floor for that role out there. For much of the United States, that's like 35-40% premium.

      Move someplace less "trendy," and more "stable," and you'll find your job disappearing far less often. Besides the dot-com bust, I've never once lost a job I didn't want to lose. And even that dot-com situation wasn't really my fault: Our company restated earnings and laid off thousands at the same time Arthur Andersen went under in Chicago, so I was competing with people 20 years older than me with 20 years more experience, and the only offer I fielded was for like $25k--take it or leave it!--so I left. Moved to less trendy, less exciting Indianapolis, and have been employed ever since. Cost of living is low, and I still make a good six figure salary--which goes a helluva lot further than $140k goes in the Valley.

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  4. Re:Companies are Starting to do it the GE Way by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had a manager who thought of himself as the next Jack Welch, implemented a bottom 10% firing policy, and drove out the top 10% out of the company. I was the third out of a dozen senior lead testers who responded to the manager's "his way or the highway" speech by submitting my resignation. He drove the company all the way into bankruptcy. Not surprisingly, he blamed other people for that disaster.

  5. Net number of tech jobs actually increased by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article:

    "Today the Bay Area's total employment of 3,353,600 as of the end of March still reflects job growth, with102,600 workers added from March 2015 through March 2016."

    In other words, the tech job market is healthy as ever, which includes a natural migration of jobs away from unproductive and unsuccessful companies to those which are better managed.

    1. Re:Net number of tech jobs actually increased by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How dare you inject facts into this discussion!

  6. Re:Or... put another way. by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    You mean like working for Microsoft?

  7. Re:BS reasons by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh, by the way, China does not have economic problems at all compared to the USA compared to what is being 'reported'. China'd only problem is subsidising USA consumption and creating its own inflation for that purpose. USD collapsed will fix that.

    Yeah, you're right. Billions spent constructing whole cities that sit empty, large drops in the stock market (to the point where trading has to be halted on multiple occasions), houses and apartments sitting empty because they were purchased as investments and have driven up the cost of rent/real estate, and significant drops in demand for raw materials such as steel or other goods such as construction materials aren't major economic problems.

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  8. It's 1999/2000 again by ErichTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This Internet bubble has lasted a little longer than the last one, and there isn't any one thing you can point to that's absolutely ridiculous this time (pets.com sock puppet, theglobe.com IPO, etc.) But, the VC money has been drying up again, and this forces startups to get rid of staff. There was an article a couple of days ago on Slashdot about Dropbox cutting some of the crazy perks they've been giving out to attract "the best and the brightest" like free meals and laundry.

    This is the natural cycle of things, even in big companies. Some places I've worked for routinely over-hire or have staff doing jobs that don't really need to be done during the good times. When things turn bad, bloodbath city. Look at HP cutting 30,000 employees lately - i guarantee that was them finally digesting the last of EDS and dumping the random redundant assistant account liaison executives, etc. The place I currently work for is majority-owned by Europeans, so the opposite is true. You have to prove completely the demonstrated need for a new position, partially because it's harder to just dump people on the street in Europe than it is here. As a result, there are layoffs but they're much smaller and require a bigger downturn than most medium-ish companies would to start hauling out the axe. Length of service around here is pretty long as a result, because people are doing more work than the average IT person stuck in a very narrow silo of activity.

    It will be interesting to see what happens, especially in San Francisco and Silicon Valley. I would never move there because of housing costs (and this is coming from a New Yorker...) I can definitely see bigger companies with deeper pockets scooping up the actual smart people, and a huge unemployment nightmare for the hangers-on. Remember how many paper MCSEs and HTML "programmers" there were out of work in 2001!

  9. To be fair to Welch by monkeyxpress · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jack Welch only did this for management staff. I think most people who have had to deal with idiot managers stuck at the level of their incompetence (the Peter Principle) and clogging up the system for everyone under them, won't find this such a terrible idea. However, it also only really worked for GE because it was an exceptional company, so the bottom 10% of managers there were still in the upper levels of management experience/ability in general. I have heard (from someone who used a recruiter who worked with Welch) that they didn't even need to fire the bottom managers. They just passed their details along to the headhunters circling the company and those people had a new job within a week.

    It sounds like your manager was like those little Steve Jobs' that populate the tech industry and believe they can have world class design on third world budgets.

  10. Re:And the # of "talent shortage" articles goes up by WizMorgan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why hypocrites? A shortage of talent AND layoffs can actually coexist within the same company. If you need Linux Developers and you've just dropped your unsuccessful Mac or Windows product and laid off the entire devision, how does that suddenly add to the pool of Linux Developers? The folks being laid off are picked over for talent worth retaining in light of current company needs. The ones whose jobs are eliminated but are not sufficiently skilled to be deployed elsewhere within the company are let go.

    My questions are:

    * Should companies continue to make products no one wants in order to avoid layoffs?

    * Should they retain employees who used to support Windows but cannot support Linux (or vice versa) and call them Talented on the new platform?

    Thanks,

    - Wiz

  11. Re:Or... put another way. by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Interesting
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  12. Re:And the # of "talent shortage" articles goes up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why hypocrites?

    A shortage of talent AND layoffs can actually coexist within the same company.

    If you need Linux Developers and you've just dropped your unsuccessful Mac or Windows product and laid off the entire devision, how does that suddenly add to the pool of Linux Developers?

    The folks being laid off are picked over for talent worth retaining in light of current company needs. The ones whose jobs are eliminated but are not sufficiently skilled to be deployed elsewhere within the company are let go.

    My questions are:

    * Should companies continue to make products no one wants in order to avoid layoffs?

    * Should they retain employees who used to support Windows but cannot support Linux (or vice versa) and call them Talented on the new platform?

    Thanks,

    - Wiz

    Answer: The employer should offer retraining to the affected employees so they can transition from software development for Microsoft Windows and Apple Mac OS X, to use your example, to GNU/Linux. Some employees will refuse retraining and prefer to be laid-off - fine. However, I dare say many of the existing software developers will opt for retraining. The fundamental skills remain the same although the operating system specific aspects should be the focus of the transition.

  13. Re:And the # of "talent shortage" articles goes up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You've worked at a company where they actually move people instead of doing a dump and hire? Can you hear me all the way back in the 1950s?

  14. Re:California is bad by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    California as a state imposes way to many taxes and regulations on business. If you decided you were going to try and start a business in California you might as well just flush your money down the toilet instead.

    I left California for Oregon in '95, since it was apparent even back then which direction it was headed. There is a very good reason why even California businesses are moving employees out of California, and your analysis of the problems is spot on.

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