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Campaign Demands Telecoms Unlock the FM Radio Found in Many Smartphones (www.cbc.ca)

An anonymous reader cites an article on CBC: Your smartphone may include an FM radio chip but, chances are, it doesn't work. Now, an online campaign has launched in Canada, putting pressure on telecoms and manufacturers to turn on the radio hidden in many cellphones. Titled, "free radio on my phone," the campaign says that most Android smartphones have a built-in FM receiver which doesn't require data or Wi-Fi to operate. The U.S. arm of the campaign believes iPhones also have a built-in radio chip but that it can't be activated. Apple wouldn't confirm this detail. The radio chip in many Android phones also lies dormant. But the campaign says it can easily be activated -- if telecom providers ask the manufacturers to do it. In Canada, however, most of the telecoms haven't made the move to get the radio turned on. They'd prefer that you stream your audio, depleting your phone's costly data plan, claims campaign organizer, Barry Rooke.

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  1. FM radio's last gasp? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder how much of this is actual consumer demand for listening to ads and the same songs every hour to avoid data overages vs. FM radio's last desperate gasp to remain relevant now that streaming is offering an alternative?

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    1. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hello,

      Public radio tends to be quite good. NPR in the states, France Info, Inter, culture (etc...) in france... and I assume similar chanels in other countries.

      Cyrille

    2. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by SQLGuru · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FM sucks. AM or nothing.

      Actually, I tend to listen to more AM than FM when I listen to the radio because I prefer talk radio over music (granted, most of that sucks, even)...... So I'll just stick to the various podcasts I listen to.....better content and downloaded over wi-fi so I don't use up my data.

    3. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I disagree - and there are tested historical facts to show my point.
      At 9/11, the cell towers couldn't handle the load and basically cell
      phones became useless as communication devices. And with no
      data, no "FM" app would work either.

      Now, an analogue FM radio won't allow you to phone home, but
      with an emergency like that, you'd at least be able to get some
      sort of news, maybe helpful information about the event. And it's
      not like the chips in the phone are defective FM receivers, they
      are intentionally disabled by iApple (and other like-manufacturers)
      to force you to use an app to gain that functionality. Sadly, users
      believe that the app is the FM receiver and they're not corrected
      by the salesman.

      I'd like to see this as an FCC mandate (that cell phones are required to
      have a non-app working FM receiver) since it really is a public safety issue.
      That's just common sense, IMHO.

      CAP === 'invented'

    4. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I certainly don't doubt that FM broadcasters are...looking kindly and charitably... on this oh-so-grassroots campaign(and possibly doing some direct assisting); but it seems like a situation where it isn't an either/or: As a handset owner I'm clearly better off if the FM tuner I already have is decrippled(even if I don't end up using it, I've already paid whatever pittance it costs to implement FM reception with modern hardware, so I'm no worse off for actually having the option to use it; and if I do feel like using it I'm obviously better off); and FM broadcasters are certainly in a much better position if they are a roughly equal option, relative to streaming services, when I pick up my phone and choose an audio player application to use. Merely being present won't save them if they suck; but being able to tune in as easily as I can start whatever streaming app makes me a lot more likely to bother than needing a separate radio to do so.

      There are some situation where the lobbying is an ugly business of two or more industries fighting over the right to screw the customer; but this seems like a case where, even if the free-our-phones side is largely a shill for broadcasters, it's still the shill acting in the interests of users.

      Now, if they were pushing to make FM support legally mandatory (probably for some BS 'safety' reason) or playing the support-local-culture card to demand that the FM tuner app be given a suitably prominent and impossible-to-delete position in order to save Canadianness from the internet, or similar nonsense, that would be a serious problem; but if it just so happens that a nontrivially powerful industry pressure group also wants your phone's firmware to suck less? That sounds like a bonus.

    5. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is Public Radio(NPR) that have very few ads, and fantastic quality programming.
      They also play BBC content which is also great.
      Then there are "community" radio stations that play all sorts of music and news programs that are great.

      Perhaps you should pull your head out of the internet for a moment and take a look around at what else is out there.

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    6. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      So how are cars receiving AM without 160 meter long antennas?

    7. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not state-run, public. Admittedly, it's got more and more commercials/sponsors now, but very little money actually comes from the feds. It's probably a misnomer to call it "public", but that's what it's known as. And since they lean quite liberal, it's sometimes antagonistic to the party in power - hardly a mouthpiece of the state.

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    8. Re: FM radio's last gasp? by pchasco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      NPR is not state-run. They receive some (diminishing) state funding, but that's all. And if you actually listen to it you'll realize that any single journalist on NPR has more integrity than all of the "journalists" on for-profit cable and radio news combined. NPR has no qualms with reporting uncomfortable facts and asking tough questions of public figures and politicians, regardless of any party affiliation, from local politicians all the way up to President Obama. And they are the only news media I regularly consume which explicitly informs consumers of any affiliation NPR has with a subject of their reporting so that you can decide yourself whether or not that is a factor in how the story was reported.

    9. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

      a [ferrite] rod is more [substantial] than a telescoping FM antenna?

      Yes. A lot of FM radios get away with using the earbuds as an antenna that telescopes all the way up from your pocket to your ears.

    10. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      FM is decent bandwidth.

      You are correct, FM does use a lot of bandwidth which could be used far more efficiently.

      FM is analogue, which means it degrades far more gracefully than digital

      Sure, if you're comparing it to a digital signal with no error correction. If you use vaguely modern error correcting codes (as in, developed in the last 50 years), then digital signals can correct all errors long after analogue signals are indistinguishable from white noise to a human. The reason that this idiotic myth persists is that the switch to digital radio and TV broadcasts came with a slight decrease in range as a result of a huge decrease in transmitter power.

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    11. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by fishscene · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When the power goes out or you are stuck in the wilderness or there's some other lack of Internet infrastructure, I prefer to not have my critical source of information handicapped because of someone else's greedy hands. If the hardware is there, ENABLE IT. If the hardware is there in other countries DONT REMOVE IT specifically for other countries. I'm looking at you, Samsung Galaxy S3 (Europe version has FM radio, US does not)

    12. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So far, though, those $20 dongles require quite a lot of additional CPU power to do WFM demodulation, which requires a minimum of 180 Khz bandwidth (in the US, WFM is allocated 200 KHz slots, within which 75% modulation is the legal maximum, which, using Carson's rule, results in about 180 KHz of bandwidth use.) They require even more to to analog television, which are (were) allocated six MHz per channel.

      As the author of SdrDx I have reason to know. :)

      I am sure, however, that the currently large CPU requirements could be gotten around with some additional specialized hardware.

      However, there are obvious financial reasons why a carrier would prefer you use bandwidth to receive information. So I wouldn't hold my breath.

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    13. Re: FM radio's last gasp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      > because they weren't liberal enough.

      They fired Juan Williams because he said he was scared of Muslims on airplanes. The only place a blanket statement like that won't get you fired is Fox News, because that's their business model.

      In the meantime, All Things Considered has weekly segments with David Brooks (a conservative editorialist) and frequently engages conservative lawmakers in their stories. They had Darrell Issa on back when the USDOJ was trying to force Apple to break into the San Bernardino shooter's phone; last week they had a GOP congressman on to discuss why he was endorsing Donald Trump.

      You can say a lot of things about NPR, but one thing you cannot say is that they actively try to prevent or otherwise diminish the presentation of non-liberal viewpoints. And frankly the only people who do actually believe that are better off going elsewhere anyway because it's obvious they don't distinguish between news and partisan cheerleading.

    14. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can stream NPR (and France Info, etc. it seems), so that's not a good response to the OP.

      Except streaming consumes data cap.

      Matter of fact, all the local radio stations I listen to(being the traditional sort) in the car offer streaming - they tell us so. Public, College, Commercial, all of them.

      Still, while I don't come close to using my cap, I think that it's not a bad idea because it should also save power - no need for transmitting for all those packets, just the FM signal.

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    15. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder how much of this is actual consumer demand for listening to ads and the same songs every hour to avoid data overages vs. FM radio's last desperate gasp to remain relevant

      Or maybe it's sports fans that would like to listen to the game. In most cases, local sports teams broadcast their games on the radio, but block those games from being streamed without an expensive subscription, and in some cases provide no way at all to stream the games.

      Terrestrial radio is about a lot more than top-40 music. Right here in my neck of the woods, there are classical stations, jazz stations, news, etc.

      If I'm paying for an FM radio receiver, I'd like to be able to use that FM radio receiver.

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    16. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, NPR tries to be as neutral as they can while all voting Democrat. They make the effort. But public radio as a whole is liberal leaning (e.g. Harry Shearer's "Le Show", "Fresh Air", etc). It's all good - there certainly is no shortage of conservative radio.

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    17. Re:FM radio's last gasp? by rockmuelle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One person's trash is another's feast. Most of the music on the radio is actually quite good, if you're a fan of music and not just a fan of one particular genre. Pop music, for all its commercial faults, is popular for a reason. People like it.

      Sure, classical and folk are good, too. So is jazz, rock, EDM, noise (yeah, it's a genre), and just about every other style people have come up with.

      I challenge you to listen to some EDM and compare it to your favorite classical pieces. While we have had 300+ years to study classical music to death, the overall structure of the music is pretty much the same as EDM: invent a theme/hook, make some variations on it, connect the variations together for dramatic effect, embellish it all using the underlying implied chordal structure by overusing arpeggios ;).

      Folk and Pop basically have the same relationship. Both tend to have rigid rules around song structure (ABAB,ABCAB, etc), use simple chord changes (almost always some mix of I, IV, V in both genres), and have lyrics that resonate with the listener base. Interestingly, they're also controlled with an iron fist by the powers in the genres - just try developing a new folk song without approval of the keepers of the Great American Songbook. ;) (I play in a country/folk band, the powers-that-be are almost as annoying as those from the jazz world, where I've also spent a lot of time)

      The meta point being: Across genres, music is more similar the different. I encourage you to go on a listening bender across your local FM stations and seed a few Pandora stations with random things.

    18. Re: FM radio's last gasp? by Ormy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They fired Juan Williams because he said he was scared of Muslims on airplanes. The only place a blanket statement like that won't get you fired is Fox News, because that's their business model.

      A person's emotions are never wrong. It was despicable for NPR to fire Juan Williams for daring to be honest about how he felt.

      If he was working for me I'd fire him for being and idiot after saying that, pilot/mechanical failures claim more air-travellers lives. If he's afraid of the plane crashing due to muslims he's barking up the wrong tree and being a rude and offensive asshole about it in a very public way, perfectly firable offence in my book.

      If a particular guy on a particular occasion was looking shifty who also happened to be muslim he could have just not mentioned at all the fact the guy happened to be muslim and just said he was afraid of that particular guy and got on a later flight, I could buy that as an emotional response.

      But claiming he's afraid of every member of a major religion is not an emotional response, its prejudice. Which, let me be clear, I have no problem with aslong as he keeps it mostly to himself, declaring it as a reason for not getting on an aeroplane (whilst also working for a major radio station) makes him pretty stupid though, whether he intended to cause offence or not. Fired.

  2. Safety by captaindomon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I do some safety consulting for disasters etc. This would be very helpful for disasters. You could even have an app that just tunes into the local emergency FM frequency. It's way easier to broadcast emergency instructions over FM to three million people in a metro area, than to support three million active streams over a data network, especially in an emergency.

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  3. It's not just software by larwe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sure, many integrated WiFi/BT chipsets also include an FM receiver. But turning it on, in a phone that wasn't shipped with it turned on, is not just a software matter. With the LO powered up, you'll need to repeat conducted and radiated emissions tests. And if the phone wasn't intended to be shipped with the radio enabled, the necessary passives to connect it to the earphone jack as an antenna likely won't be on the PCB. And in the case of Apple, since they absolutely never intended to use the FM capability, I'd be amazed if the relevant pads from the WiFi package are even led out to traces.

  4. AM radio antenna systems by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

    So how are cars receiving AM without 160 meter long antennas?

    While the whip antenna on a car is short, it has a substantial ground plane to work against (the body of the car.) This increases the signal level developed between ground and the antenna input. Sometimes the actual antenna is not as short as you might initially think, either; look closely, and on many car antenna systems, you'll see a fine wire that spirals up the outside of the whip; that's the AM broadcast band antenna, not the whip itself. The whip is just used as a mechanical support when receiving AM. This approach provides significantly stronger signals to the radio.

    In order to obtain signals of a similar strength in a portable radio, the usual approach is to wind a lot of wire around a ferrite core and make it resonate with the appropriate matching capacitance. With proper design, this can result in a highly effective narrow-band (just a few channels), tunable, directional antenna capability.

    Antennas aside, most car radios don't have very good AM sections. Just as with home stereo and theater receivers, manufacturers tend to not treat AM seriously. Historically speaking, there have been exceptions. For instance, Sansui produced an AM / FM tuner that had a pretty good AM section in it; early tube receivers also typically tried to do a good job. A good AM band receiver has control over IF bandwidth, and in a truly modern design, this is done with a software defined radio, so that the bandwidth is precisely controllable and essentially devoid of roll-off.

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  5. Ferrite effectiveness vs whips by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Informative

    At low frequencies, yes, it is.

    It has to do with the wavelength of the signal, and the approach to the EM field. A ferrite antenna (actually a particular case of a loop antenna) couples to the magnetic field. A whip couples to the electric field. You can learn more about loop antennas and the differences from whip and dipole and other antennas via Google, if you're really interested.

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  6. Info on Verizon and Sony FM Chips by Kainaw · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was just told about this thread - so this may be old. But, I've done a lot of research into Verizon and the Sony Z3V, which has an FM chip.

    TLDR: The chip is not disabled. The OS is altered to mute FM output.

    I have three Sony Z3V phones. All three have an FM chip. I can check to ensure the FM chip works by using the Sony diagnostics tool. Dial *#*#7378523#*#* and you get a diagnostics menu. Select hardware tests and test the FM chip. If it was disabled, it wouldn't work. It does work. Just type in the frequency to tune to and you get radio. The problem is that this screen will timeout. When it does, the radio goes away. Also, there's no volume adjustment. It is at max volume only.

    In the original OS distribution, Verizon simply didn't include an FM app with the phone. You could download one (such as Spirit FM) and listen to the radio. With the 5.1.1 update, the radio stopped working. But, there was a catch. If you used Sony's FM app - which you have to download from a "trusted source" and install as an untrusted third party app - it still worked. You could listen to the radio. Then, there was the second update to 5.1.1. Instead of "disabling" FM, Verizon went another route. They mute the FM audio. So, you can download just about any FM app. You can run it. You can tune it in. You can see that it has a signal. You can see the over-the-air identification text, which is usually the song being played. But, there is no audio.

    Now, controversy: Verizon has quoted multiple times that it would cost up to $100/phone to "enable" the FM chip in the phones. The chip is enabled. They are spending effort in muting it. Verizon has also quoted multiple times that an FM tuner interferes with normal phone operations. Before the upgrade to 5.1.1, I listened to the radio on my phone all the time and never had any trouble with any other operations. In my opinion, Verizon simply wants you to use data to listen to music. They don't want you to listen to music for free.

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