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Campaign Demands Telecoms Unlock the FM Radio Found in Many Smartphones (www.cbc.ca)
An anonymous reader cites an article on CBC: Your smartphone may include an FM radio chip but, chances are, it doesn't work. Now, an online campaign has launched in Canada, putting pressure on telecoms and manufacturers to turn on the radio hidden in many cellphones. Titled, "free radio on my phone," the campaign says that most Android smartphones have a built-in FM receiver which doesn't require data or Wi-Fi to operate. The U.S. arm of the campaign believes iPhones also have a built-in radio chip but that it can't be activated. Apple wouldn't confirm this detail. The radio chip in many Android phones also lies dormant. But the campaign says it can easily be activated -- if telecom providers ask the manufacturers to do it. In Canada, however, most of the telecoms haven't made the move to get the radio turned on. They'd prefer that you stream your audio, depleting your phone's costly data plan, claims campaign organizer, Barry Rooke.
I wonder how much of this is actual consumer demand for listening to ads and the same songs every hour to avoid data overages vs. FM radio's last desperate gasp to remain relevant now that streaming is offering an alternative?
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FM radio functionality is built right into Windows Phones. It's pretty great, so long as you use wired headphones. The phones use the headphones as antenna, so it doesn't work with Bluetooth, unfortunately.
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Same, every phone I've had has been able to get radio in one way or another. Not that it's a feature I've really used or looked for but it's been there. Maybe a coincidence but probably not.
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If only Android would let you send the audio to bluetooth. My bluetooth speaker doesn't have an audio in socket and I'm not buying another one. (And yes, I know you need the headphones to act as an antenna, but that shouldn't prevent sending the audio to bluetooth. You can send the audio to the phone's speaker, but not to bluetooth).
Apart from that, I've never seen a phone with an FM chip that wasn't activated but maybe its lower end phones.
If it were the carriers, wouldn't Google's unlocked Nexus devices offer FM radio? Seems like there might be more to it than the evil carriers.
I do some safety consulting for disasters etc. This would be very helpful for disasters. You could even have an app that just tunes into the local emergency FM frequency. It's way easier to broadcast emergency instructions over FM to three million people in a metro area, than to support three million active streams over a data network, especially in an emergency.
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Sure, many integrated WiFi/BT chipsets also include an FM receiver. But turning it on, in a phone that wasn't shipped with it turned on, is not just a software matter. With the LO powered up, you'll need to repeat conducted and radiated emissions tests. And if the phone wasn't intended to be shipped with the radio enabled, the necessary passives to connect it to the earphone jack as an antenna likely won't be on the PCB. And in the case of Apple, since they absolutely never intended to use the FM capability, I'd be amazed if the relevant pads from the WiFi package are even led out to traces.
because having a RADIO is not the same as MP3's on your device.
RADIO is crucial in emergencies, particularly weather-related ones. cell towers could be down, the internets could be unreachable, but the RADIO would rely on neither to provide important news and weather information. there is a reason why a RADIO is crucial component of first aid, emergency and weather kits, not a fucking smart phone.
MP3s don't have the features of FM (live announcements, local news bits, etc.) along WITH the music that you don't have to pick (how can you easily discover music if you only hear your same old MP3?)
Personally, I'm rarely outside wifi range-- but when I am, I never use data *at all*. I would much appreciate FM.
Not all phones have the FM Chips, but the campaign misleads us into thinking all phones have them, and the carriers just disabled them. I use a Nexus phone. There's no chip. My wife's LG does have a chip. According to the campaign website, Sprint already allows it, and T-Mobile has stated they will support.
If you purchase your phone and it is unlocked, the carrier is irrelevant. You can do what you want with it (provided it has the chip). If you bought a locked phone through a carrier, then you're at the whim of what they want to allow you to do with your device. Why is this news?
I may be missing something here, but I don't fully understand the emergency beacon type responses. Yes, of course I understand that the more options available for getting emergency information out the better. Of course that makes sense. But I get emergency beacons every once in a while on my phone today through either text or SMS (I've never investigated the mechanism). OK - now I've done 13 seconds of google-fu, and they apparently are not text messages and are specifically designed to not be bogged down during emergency periods with high congestion:
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/...
Are WEAs text messages?
No. Many providers have chosen to transmit WEAs using a technology that is separate and different from voice calls and SMS text messages. This technology ensures that emergency alerts will not get stuck in highly congested areas, which can happen with standard mobile voice and texting services.
So having FM radio for emergency broadcasts would be good. But we already have emergency broadcasts using our cell phones - even the ones like mine that do not have an FM chip. The argument for carriers to unlock because it's a security concern seems a bit like fearmongering. It might just work, and I would applaud if all carriers unlocked the chips so we can use them. But we did sign contracts with our carriers when we bought the phones, and they control what we can do, so I'm not sure what leg we have to stand on. Unless you paid full price and bought an unlocked phone.
It can be a decision made by the carrier.
For instance, the Galaxy S7, definitely a higher end device, has FM receiver hardware. Sprint enabled it when the S7 was shipped; T-Mobile enabled it during an S7 system update; Verizon has not enabled it as of this posting.
And of course, I enjoy FM, and my S7 came from Verizon.
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IF I was able to receive DTV broadcasts and/or digital radio and be able to record shows to my phone directly I can say I'd probably watch more shows as they would be on my phone ready to watch when on a subway, back seat of car, etc. Too bad the broadcasters can't convince the smartphone people that is worthwhile...
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havent seen a phone with a working FM chip in the states
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Because I like listening to the DJ's of my local rock station, that's why. They're interesting and funny and talk about local events and stuff.
And yet of the 5 Android phones I've owned, none of them have FM chips...
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I believe that all of the (not so many) cell phones I have bought since my first one, around 2003, have had FM radio capabilities. And it's always been one of the features I have most used. Except for the Nokia N95 I bought in 2008, my phones have always been at the cheap end of the category — I currently have a "Verykool" (yes, that's the brand) that costed under US$80, bought it because it's a dual-SIM, unlocked, decently-recent-Android, decent-camera phone.
Anyway, a FM chip is probably one of the cheapest functions to implement in a phone. I never doubted that every phone should carry it, as it brings value that many of us still use. One more thing to check when my phone finally gives the ghost — hopefully a couple of years from now.
While the whip antenna on a car is short, it has a substantial ground plane to work against (the body of the car.) This increases the signal level developed between ground and the antenna input. Sometimes the actual antenna is not as short as you might initially think, either; look closely, and on many car antenna systems, you'll see a fine wire that spirals up the outside of the whip; that's the AM broadcast band antenna, not the whip itself. The whip is just used as a mechanical support when receiving AM. This approach provides significantly stronger signals to the radio.
In order to obtain signals of a similar strength in a portable radio, the usual approach is to wind a lot of wire around a ferrite core and make it resonate with the appropriate matching capacitance. With proper design, this can result in a highly effective narrow-band (just a few channels), tunable, directional antenna capability.
Antennas aside, most car radios don't have very good AM sections. Just as with home stereo and theater receivers, manufacturers tend to not treat AM seriously. Historically speaking, there have been exceptions. For instance, Sansui produced an AM / FM tuner that had a pretty good AM section in it; early tube receivers also typically tried to do a good job. A good AM band receiver has control over IF bandwidth, and in a truly modern design, this is done with a software defined radio, so that the bandwidth is precisely controllable and essentially devoid of roll-off.
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FM radio was working on my Samsung Galaxy S2, Motorola G2 and now my Zenfone2 (I just realised I have something with the number 2...)
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Try looking at unlocked phones. I have an Asus Zenfone 2 and a Moto G; each came with a radio app that works while headphones are plugged in (the cable is used as an antenna). I think there was also radio hardware in the Moto X I used previously, but it was crippled by AT&T.
That said, I've not had much use for the radio so far. If I'm in my car, it's easier to just use its radio. If I'm playing something on my phone, it's most likely a podcast or a cached playlist downloaded over WiFi, or (less often) streamed from Google Play (where I've uploaded my collection).
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Because mobile network providers are greedy fucks... any other questions?
At low frequencies, yes, it is.
It has to do with the wavelength of the signal, and the approach to the EM field. A ferrite antenna (actually a particular case of a loop antenna) couples to the magnetic field. A whip couples to the electric field. You can learn more about loop antennas and the differences from whip and dipole and other antennas via Google, if you're really interested.
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Unless these chips somehow share the antenna of the Bluetooth or 3G system -- which is unlikely as the wavelength is vastly different -- you would only pick up the strongest of signals.
I agree though that having a basic analog receiver in every phone could be very handy in emergencies and in rural areas where low power FM is normal and 3G/whatever isn't.
Plus I would just like to use it for music and news.
download the .MP3s to your phone
Download? What is this, 2010?!
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Last report was over 28,000,000 subscribers with an average of two receivers (I personally have 4). Comcast has fewer customers.
That's because the big C's (Comcast, Cox, and Charter) have chosen to divide the cable market up among themselves by city. Sirius, on the other hand, has a single nationwide market. To compare them fairly, you have to add all C's.
My first Android Phone was a Galaxy S2 running Android 2.3 and it had a true FM radio chip inside, with an app to use it.
My Motorola G2, bought in a BestBuy in the USA, unlocked, has an FM radio with an app.
My Asus Zenfone2 also has an FM radio chip, and you can buy this phone in the USA.
Cellphone =/= iPhone.
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Radio stations let you listen to a random sampling of music you probably don't own, without a subscription fee.
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Nearly all Windows phones have the FM hardware (wired headphones required for an antenna) since Windows Phone 7 days, but the software to use it has been hidden, but still present in the base OS. You just need to load any third party FM radio app from the store, then you can save shortcuts to your stations once the radio is playing and can remove the third party software, basically the third party software just calls the underlying OS included FM radio functions. MS has said they are removing the software from their upcoming "anniversary release" of Windows 10 in July though.
Instead of campaigning for vapid, advertising filled pop music, how about a campaign for NOAA Weather Radio? This could actually be useful as during severe weather, cell service is easily knocked out. Listeners could be alerted to severe weather events in their area: tornadoes, flooding, etc.
just download the .MP3 s to your phone and listen to the selection of music that you want
Uncoil your back. Lift your head. Try to focus your eyes on something beyond your front paws, if you still can. There is a lot more going on in the world than just listening to recorded music. FYI.
AM is a no-go; antenna problems. They do news, talk and sports on FM too, just so you know.
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Not to be pedantic, but the FM circuitry is actually built into the baseband chip. This is the chip that has 2-3 ARM cores, CDMA bit twiddling, graphics, and in fact is about 80% of the phone's capabilities. The ones I worked on had a baseband chip, a PMIC (power management IC), and a chip to handle the RF signals.
Now that I think about it, the circuitry probably has to be in both the baseband and the RF chip.
ahhh, see i got on the samsung train with the s3 and am on an s7 now, no FM chip for me (verizon locked) guess thats been my problem the whole time. thanks! not sure i can see me wanting an fm chip but nice to know there are options
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Until LTE became widespread, subscribers had to buy from a provider because two of the major U.S. carriers (Verizon and Sprint) used CDMA2000, not GSM/UMTS. CDMA2000 allows a carrier to choose to either issue removable CSIM cards or program the subscriber identity directly into the handset. The U.S. CDMA2000 carriers chose the latter and generally refused to activate any handset that they did not sell, ostensibly because no other phones supported the correct bands. Last time I checked, LTE-capable phones on Verizon and Sprint still needed a CDMA2000 subscriber identity for voice calls, text messages, and use in areas that do not yet have LTE coverage. Though LTE-capable phones have a slot for an access card, I don't know whether such phones for the North American market store the CDMA2000 part of the subscriber identity on the card or on the handset.
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Then why are phones more expensive if you buy them from a mobile network provider?
Until about 2013, buying a phone separately and using it on VZW, AT&T, or Sprint was hundreds of dollars more expensive because there was no discount for not taking a subsidized phone. The carrier would still add $20 or so per month to your bill even after the contract ended or even if you brought your own device. T-Mobile's "Un-carrier" ad campaign in 2013, which promoted the fact that T-Mobile itemizes the service and the installment payment for the phone separately, forced the other carriers to adopt similar price cuts. (T-Mobile had already been doing this for years under the name "Even More Plus", but it wasn't well promoted.)
If you want it unlocked get a Windows Phone. They don't bother to lock it on those.
Because as an intentional radiator, the FCC filings for the device will show exactly what emissions the device is making, and at what frequency and power level. And if it's emitting something that isn't in its type approval, any monkey with a scanner can detect that, and the FCC can and will lower the hammer of Thor onto the manufacturer's corporate scrotum (translation: huge, per-unit-sold fines).
My Samsung Galaxy something-or-other has FM radio and it works fine as long as you have headphones plugged in.
I'm in Canada, my phone is on Telus. I don't have data on it, it's too bloody expensive.
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Nobody would be twisting your arm and forcing you to use it if you don't want to.
Unless you are assuming that it will drive up your costs, what difference should it make to you?
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The idea would be, I presume, that if the chip is there, manufacturers would have to have a means by which the consumer can activate it. It will do nothing for existing phones, but would make a difference for phones sold next year, for instance.
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My MotoG 3rd Gen has it enabled.
I haven't used it much, but when I have its been, average enough.
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Any major phone from Verizon, ATT or T-mobile. Or any iPhone ever.
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Speak only for your self AC. I would like the added capability of a working FM receiver in my phone.
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Enabling the FM receiver chip would be very useful for emergency situations, like terrorist attacks or dangerous weather. It would be most useful in the southeastern United States where there are hurricanes and tornadoes. You don't really see a lot of those in Canada, so I can only imagine that the reason for the campaign is consumer rights.
Earlier HTC phones had the FM tuner enabled. The HTC droid incredible 2 for example.
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Same goes for CBC/BBC and Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC). In fact the incumbent governments of each nation are attempting to cut funding because they don't report the government line.
I was just told about this thread - so this may be old. But, I've done a lot of research into Verizon and the Sony Z3V, which has an FM chip.
TLDR: The chip is not disabled. The OS is altered to mute FM output.
I have three Sony Z3V phones. All three have an FM chip. I can check to ensure the FM chip works by using the Sony diagnostics tool. Dial *#*#7378523#*#* and you get a diagnostics menu. Select hardware tests and test the FM chip. If it was disabled, it wouldn't work. It does work. Just type in the frequency to tune to and you get radio. The problem is that this screen will timeout. When it does, the radio goes away. Also, there's no volume adjustment. It is at max volume only.
In the original OS distribution, Verizon simply didn't include an FM app with the phone. You could download one (such as Spirit FM) and listen to the radio. With the 5.1.1 update, the radio stopped working. But, there was a catch. If you used Sony's FM app - which you have to download from a "trusted source" and install as an untrusted third party app - it still worked. You could listen to the radio. Then, there was the second update to 5.1.1. Instead of "disabling" FM, Verizon went another route. They mute the FM audio. So, you can download just about any FM app. You can run it. You can tune it in. You can see that it has a signal. You can see the over-the-air identification text, which is usually the song being played. But, there is no audio.
Now, controversy: Verizon has quoted multiple times that it would cost up to $100/phone to "enable" the FM chip in the phones. The chip is enabled. They are spending effort in muting it. Verizon has also quoted multiple times that an FM tuner interferes with normal phone operations. Before the upgrade to 5.1.1, I listened to the radio on my phone all the time and never had any trouble with any other operations. In my opinion, Verizon simply wants you to use data to listen to music. They don't want you to listen to music for free.
The previous comment is purposely vague and generalized, but all of the facts are completely true.
Motorola G and X series both have working FM chips if not purchased through a carrier. Some of the carriers disable the FM chip.
I currently have a Moto G third edition and my daughter has a Moto X Pure Edition purchased directly from Motorola with working FM chips.
IMO they are the best deal for the money when it comes to mid-range (Moto G) and flagship (Moto X) phones purchased outside of a contract.
GSM phones working with ATT network.
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Not any more. We live in an age of HD Radio on the FM band. You can pick up all the big AM stations on the FM band and the major sports are all broadcast on big stations. Even on standard FM, the big flagship stations almost always partner with a local FM station. For example, I can hear every Yankees game on 97.9 The Fan and all Red Sox games on 96.5-2.
Back in Chicago, Bears games are on 105.9 FM and Hawks games on 88.5 (though I think WGN may have sold that FM frequency.
You've got to look around, but you can find the big local sports on FM.
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I've been annoyed by the lack of FM radio on my phone for years now. My Samsung Omnia and Motorola Droid X on Verizon had the basic FM radio (not HD), but my Samsung Note 2 and Note 4 on Verizon do not have a working FM radio. The same phone on Sprint has the radio, and they even advertise it with the NextRadio app. I've seen an HTC M8 with a working FM radio on Verizon. I could have switched to the M8, or maybe it's time to try Sprint, since I had a recent bad sales experience with Verizon.
I've asked about this in forums, and one explanation was that the carrier and manufacturer must pay licensing and spectrum testing fees to the FCC. Some carriers and some manufacturers won't pay the additional cost for the FM radio testing. Another explanation is that HTC left the hooks intact, but removed the radio app, and Samsung actually removed the hooks to the FM radio on Verizon phones, but not in Sprint phones. Maybe it was at the request of Verizon, to force users into streaming radio. Customer service doesn't seem to know anything about this, some don't even know the difference between FM radio and streaming.
I've heard that HD is proprietary and manufacturers don't want to pay licensing. It would be nice to have some kind of digital broadcast available, like they have in Norway. Plain old FM radio at least.
Another argument is that it's not worth the effort since radio listeners are declining. They could leave the FM tuner working and let the owner decide to use it or not. If you don't like it, don't listen. I listen quite a bit, by carrying around a small Insignia HD. A few years ago I won so much stuff on the radio that they sent me a W-2 form, which included $2,404 in cash prizes.
This was discussed on NPR last year:
http://www.npr.org/sections/al...
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Much like someone mentioned of Windows phones, my Z30 has it built right in, works great.
As a Canadian veteran, I support this additional freedom that only Canadians have, while America promises much and delivers little.
FM means Freedom March!
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I thought FM had been turned off and replaced by DAB? It has in the UK at least.
There will be no success on pressuring the carriers. They will only act under law or if it serves their own purposes. The article states that it does not.
Why not let the consumer install their own operating system so the own can decide how to utilize the product they own.
I hate the idea of having to ask permission in order to use my property the way that I want. Therefore, I hate smart phones.
India was always a Nokia bastion since around 1998 till the company's unwarranted demise(in the mobile space). Nokia launched their first phone with an FM radio around 2002 - a feature phone, mind - and since then millions of people listen to FM on their phones (and continue to do so with the latest Androids at various price points from dirt cheap to unlocked iPhone level expensive). It is asinine to have to use up data bandwidth for streaming when there's a perfectly good radio chip disabled for no reason.
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