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EgyptAir Flight 804 Missing (cnn.com)
dark.nebulae writes: An EgyptAir flight disappeared on it's way from Paris to Egypt resulting in loss of 56 passengers and 10 crew members. The plane was flying at 37,000 feet when it vanished shortly after entering Egyptian airspace. It was suppose to land in Cairo at 3:15 a.m. Thursday after leaving Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport at 11:09 p.m. local time. CNN's aviation correspondent Richard Quest said, "Planes just do not fall out of the sky for no reason, particularly at 37,000 feet." He said the plane vanished while cruising -- the safest part of the journey. We'll update the story as more details emerge.
UPDATE 5/20/16 3:57 AM (UTC): Egypt's civil aviation minister says it's more likely terrorism than a technical issue. Greek officials said the plane swerved sharply and plunged from 37,000 feet down to the Mediterranean as the plane left Greek airspace for Egyptian airspace. [Source]
UPDATE 5/20/16 3:57 AM (UTC): Egypt's civil aviation minister says it's more likely terrorism than a technical issue. Greek officials said the plane swerved sharply and plunged from 37,000 feet down to the Mediterranean as the plane left Greek airspace for Egyptian airspace. [Source]
also BBC source
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36309492
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20 per cent of people living in the city of Paris are immigrants and 41.3 per cent of people under 20 have at least one immigrant parent.
Second generation Muslims are the ones getting radicalized.
Precedent suggests otherwise. The bombing of Metrojet flight 9268 took place over the sparsely populated Sinai Peninsula. The Lockerbie bombing, Pan Am flight 103 was originally intended to take place over water so no wreckage would ever be found. That didn't happen because of delays and a change in route because of the weather.
In the streets, not in the airport. Even the Brussels bombers had to blow themselves up in the check in area because it's was doubtful they'd have got though security.
There are other possibilities: a suicide, thrust reverser suddenly opening, rudder torn off...
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
As well as a blown engine damaging a wing, causing a fuel fire, or other structural fire.
The (non-pilot) man-caused failures are limited.
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Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Well, not exactly. There's several books by Arabs, Moslems, etc. who point out that there really is an Islamic ideology which aims to take over the world. Think of it like Communism. Certainly, Western Islamophobia exists, but so does Islamic Westphobia. And this isn't to paint everyone with the same brush. They are quite clear though, that Islamism, or whatever you want to call it, exists, and it isn't just a reaction to bigotry and marginalisation. Besides, too often, even the general public notices that this or that young radical, actually came from a nice middle class neighbourhood and was studying medicine at university. It is an ideology. It blocks reasoned thinking. And it has some support at all levels. When the OIC (representing 57 Muslim countries) claims that "universal human rights" are ok but ONLY the ones which don't contradict Islam, that's part of the problem. Yes, Islamophobia exists, but it isn't what's driving the ideology.
It isn't confirmed that this is a terrorist attack. Not at all.
Here's my understanding of what's actually happened:
Greek air traffic controllers made contact with the plane in the last check-in, when things were normal and the pilot seemed in good spirits. Thirty minutes later, when everything appeared normal, the Greek air traffic controllers attempted to contact the plane. This was about ten miles from the edge of Greek airspace. There was no response from the pilots. About a minute and a half later, the aircraft dropped from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet, while swerving to the left and spinning to the right. Contact was lost at 10,000 feet.
That information says it's highly likely that the plane crashed into the Mediterranean. I don't think there's much doubt of that. Beyond that, it's virtually impossible to know what happened. I can think of multiple things that could explain what happened.
1) There may have been a mechanical problem that required the attention of the flight crew and prevented them from responding. A loss of control such as what would occur in a stall could explain these maneuvers.
2) A naferious act by the pilot could explain these behaviors. There have been multiple instances previously of pilot suicide. That could explain these maneuvers.
3) A terrorist attack could explain these maneuvers, especially if the crew was prevented from responding to the calls. That's all speculation.
I don't think it's clear at all that terror was responsible. I do think it's virtually certain the plane crashed into the Mediterranean. It's extremely likely that debris will be found soon because of the large number of search assets in the region and that those waters are heavily trafficked. But it's too early to say it's an act of terror.
a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group. "we Scots were a bloodthirsty race then" synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, origin, ethnic origin, color More "students of many different races" people, nation "a bloodthirsty race"
the fact or condition of belonging to a racial division or group; the qualities or characteristics associated with this. "people of mixed race" synonyms: ethnic group, racial type, origin, ethnic origin, color "students of many different races"
a group or set of people or things with a common feature or features. "some male firefighters still regarded women as a race apart"
Biology a population within a species that is distinct in some way, especially a subspecies.
Muslim population is 10% and growing. Are they integrating with Post-Catholic France? No.
At what point would you know longer call it a "few muslims"?
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
How many Syrian refugees have Islamic countries taken in?
About 4.4 million.
(2.7 million in Turkey, 1.5 million in Lebanon and 1.2 million in Jordan).
What was your point?
Watch this Heartland Institute video
That is not racism since any race can practice Islam.
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There it is AGAIN. A leftist, making excuses for Islamists, and trying to deflect the blame and say the whole thing is the West's fault for being so kind and admitting these people. How many Syrian refugees have Islamic countries taken in? How about a word about them? What is *with* the left-wing alliance with Islamists? Why is there always one to jump right up and defend them? You know they execute homosexuals and legally allow spouse abuse?
All you had to do to avoid looking like a stupid right wing blowhard was to run a web search. Three moslem countries seem to lead the list:
Turkey 2,748,367
Lebanon 1,500,000
Jordan 1,265,000
Germany 484,000
Greece 496,119
No, aviation radar cannot tell altitude *accurately*. Accurate altitude display on ATC radar depends on a separate altitude source. In older aircraft, it is a Mode C transponder linked to the altitude encoder in the aircraft (be it a GPS or barometric encoder). On newer aircraft, altitude is determined by an approved GPS source and beaconed with a Mode S transponder.
Pilots in the US are required to beacon altitude via their transponder when within 30 nautical miles of a Class B airport, and are otherwise not required to beacon altitude.
Primary radar altitude may be off by several hundred or even thousand feet. With the correct altimeter setting, the plane's local altitude source will be accurate to a few feet, and if an approved Mode S GPS source is used, a few inches.