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India Records Its Hottest Day Ever As Temperature Hits 51C (123.8F) (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A city in northern India has shattered the national heat record, registering a searing 51C -- the highest since records began -- amid a nationwide heatwave. The new record was set in Phalodi, a city in the desert state of Rajasthan, and is the equivalent of 123.8F. It tops a previous record of 50.6C set in 1956."Yesterday (Thursday) was the hottest temperature ever recorded in the country... 51C in Phalodi," said BP Yadav, a director of India's meteorological department, on Friday.

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  1. nuclear winter by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    nuclear winter will do that + cool us down for some time.

  2. Refugees by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this trend continues, and it looks like it will, we will see "environmental refugees" increase. It will become more difficult to support life in certain parts of this planet, places that have had human civilization for quite a long time.

    Sure, technology could alleviate many of the problems of living in a place with extreme heat, but that requires money and political will.

    We have already seen the warnings about areas of the Middle East becoming uninhabitable later this century.
    Where will these people go?
    Who will support them?
    How will governments deal with the crisis?

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    1. Re:Refugees by Falos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's already a TLDR for this.

      "I've got mine screw you"

    2. Re:Refugees by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Where will these people go?

      Wherever they go. Except my lawn. No trespassing. *cocks shotgun*

      Who will support them?

      They will take care of themselves. Or die trying. *cocks shotgun*

      How will governments deal with the crisis?

      Taxation and theft. Unless. *cocks shotgun*

      Did you invent a 3-barrelled shotgun or do you normally carry around 3 shotguns?

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    3. Re:Refugees by cbeaudry · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously?

      The previous record was from 60 years ago and the difference was 0.4 celcius.

      Alarmist much.

    4. Re:Refugees by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually the Syria situation was initiated by an unprecedented multi-year drought. This depopulated hundreds of rural villages, which destabilized the regime. The Assads have been ruthlessly crushing Islamist uprisings for generations, but this time the cities were flooded with hungry, angry, unemployed young men. The spark for ISIS was always there, but climate refugees gave it the fuel it needed to become unquenchable.

      Now India is an entirely different case. It's a democracy, which is more stable than a hereditary dictatorship. It has a much larger, more robust, more diversified economy than Syria. All around it's a far more competently run society, despite the challenges it faces like endemic poverty. But it's also 50x larger in population. A much smaller relative disturbance in India can translate into a huge problem on an absolute scale. It's long-running dispute with Pakistan, and the fact that both are nuclear armed regional powers, adds quite a range of unpleasant outcomes to even a modest destabilization of India.

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    5. Re:Refugees by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that brings us to the inevitable large-scale consequence of climate change: war.

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    6. Re:Refugees by karmawhore · · Score: 2

      Seriously?

      The previous record was from 60 years ago and the difference was 0.4 celcius.

      Alarmist much.

      0.4 degrees Celcius = 32.72 degrees Farenheight. I would say that is a pretty big change.

      Oh my god.

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    7. Re:Refugees by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      Ah, I finally understand why the military-industrial complex has been denying climate change for so long now...

      Uh, what? To be sure, there are some industries with a vested interest in denying climate change (Exxon and Koch are an example) but the military? Not so much:

      http://www.washingtontimes.com...
      http://www.defense.gov/News-Ar...
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/ja...

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  3. Today's weather report: by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know it's a bad sign when the weather report for the day is "sous-vide".

  4. Re: The Planet Has a Fever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The only cure is more cowbell...

  5. Nothing to see here by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    The rising sea levels will soon put a soothing cool around their ankles, nothing to worry about.

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  6. Re:Humans give off a lot of heat by CaptnCrud · · Score: 2

    The only way to make progress is to start with yourself....I think I learned that from a self-help book.

  7. Re:Wait 'til temps are 150 F by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Facts will never get in the way of ideology...

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  8. Good news! by some+old+guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now the PHB's won't have to even bother with H1B paperwork...the new hires can just claim climate-change refugee status.

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  9. The man in the mirror by PackMan97 · · Score: 2

    I’m starting with the man in the mirror // I’m asking him to change his ways // And no message could have been any clearer // If you wanna make the world a better place // (If you wanna make the world a better place) // Take a look at yourself, and then make a change // (Take a look at yourself, and then make a change)

    1. Re:The man in the mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personal change is of course an important place to start, butwhat we seem to have forgotten since the civil rights movements of the 60's and 70's is that systematic change at the level which is needed to address the causes and effects of climate change can only come about through an organized movement.

      The Bill Moyers interview linked below discusses the difference between consumer focused change where we can "go green" by changing our own habits and citizen focused change which involves exercising our collective political power to effect change at the policy level.

      http://billmoyers.com/2013/01/04/citizens-not-consumers-are-key-to-solving-climate-crisis/

      Excerpt:

      Each of us has two different roles we play in society, almost like two muscles: a consumer muscle and a citizen muscle. Our consumer muscle is spoken to and validated constantly. We’re called upon to use it every day and, as a result, we’re really good at it. It’s overdeveloped so much that being a consumer is our primary role in society so much that the words “consumer” and “person” are used interchangeably. At the same time, our citizen muscle has atrophied. So when we’re faced with problems as gigantic as disruption of the global climate, we stick with the familiar consumer muscle. We buy green products, switch our lightbulbs, reject bottled water, carry a reusable bag to the store. Now, don’t get me wrong – those are all very good things to do. But those are not about making transformative change like we need right now. To do this, we need to step out of our consumer role and into our citizen role and work together, through our democratic structures, to achieve big bold change. Perfecting our day to day eco-choices can be a step in the right direction, or it can be a distraction if we’re deluded into thinking that we’ve done our part since we shopped at Whole Foods. That’s why the subtitle of our last movie is “Why citizens, not shoppers, hold the key to a better world.” We need to start exercising our citizen muscles again.

    2. Re:The man in the mirror by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well we still have to figure out an effective strategy to deal with the sociopathic douchebags.

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    3. Re:The man in the mirror by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that's the point of calling you sociopathic. You shouldn't need a reason, because the empathy present in most humans would be enough.

      I can't give you a personal reason, but I can give you one that applies to people as a collective: I live the full live I have now because of the sacrifices made by the generations that came before. People who put off their own happiness to improve the world in some way. It's a form of paying it forward, and I have a huge debt. I'll never be able compensate those countless generations who got the world to where it is now, but I can do my part to improve upon their work.

  10. Re: The Planet Has a Fever by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

    I disagree on the terrorism part when looked at over a longer period of time. It's only currently that a lot of terrorist are muslims, most likely due to the wars we're fighting in the middle east.

    But what the hell's up with the greenhouse gas argument? Do you get gassy from schawarma or something?

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  11. Re:Yet the deniers will be out by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2, Informative

    Look at how many temperature records have been broken over the last 20-25 years.

    http://imgur.com/gallery/5IbCK...

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  12. Re:Yet the deniers will be out by OhPlz · · Score: 2

    Weather isn't climate when it doesn't fit the narrative. Weather is climate when it does. Cue the armchair scientists.

    Meanwhile, I don't think anyone really gives a crap if it's man made climate change or not. We need to treat the planet better either way.

  13. Re:I love the hypocrisy... by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    OB xkcd.

  14. Holocene interglacial [Re:Refugees] by XXongo · · Score: 2, Informative

    the trend is sure to continue because we're coming out of an ice age.

    Nope. The ice age ended ten thousand years ago, and the hottest years of the post-ice-age holocene was eight thousand years ago. So, no, we're not warming due to coming out a glaciation, because that warming already finished eight thousand years ago.

    the stability of the global climate in the last 200 years or so is an exception, not the rule.

    Nope. The current warming is exceptional: warmer than it's been over the last 2000 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    What's more important, though, is that the cause is well understood. We know why the climate is warming, because we have very good measurements of other possible causes, such as solar variation, and they aren't large enough to create the temperatures we see. So, the worry isn't about the small amount of warming we've already seen-- the worry is that we are still emitting carbon dioxide, and the physics of carbon dioxide hasn't changed.

  15. Oddly by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    A city in northern India has shattered the national heat record, registering a searing 51C

    Unfortunately the record is invalid because at teh time everyone there was pretending to be from Birmingham.

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  16. Re:Hide the decline by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Who is doing the weighting (adjusting) and how? What #define-s do they use in their code? Would they not stop "adjusting" before the results show the trend, which they sincerely believe must be there? See, what is "sold" to the public as objective recordings of scientific instruments are, in fact, results of "adjustments" by unknown programs using unspecified parameters...

    How would you know? I'll bet you've never even tried looking for those "unknown programs" and "unspecified parameters".

    You can start looking here. There are lots of links to NOAA's methods and reasons for adjusting temperatures and even a couple of graphs that compare adjusted to raw temperatures.

    Or you can check out the BEST temperature record which is not funded by the government. This page describes how they process the data set and this page contains links to the code they use to process the data.

    No one has destroyed any of the raw data. Some have deleted their copies of the data when they no longer need it.

    But I seriously doubt you'll take the time to look into it for yourself and you will continue to gullibily believe the people who tell you those things. Unfortunately for you the real world will continue to respond to anthropogenic influences and if you live long enough you will find many of the things scientists are predicting will come to pass.