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Real-Life RoboCop Guards Shopping Centers In California (metro.co.uk)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Metro: While machines from the likes of RoboCop and Chappie might just be the reserve of films for now, this new type of robot is already fighting crime. This particular example can be found guarding a shopping center in California but there are other machines in operation all over the state. Equipped with self-navigation, infra-red cameras and microphones that can detect breaking glass, the robots, designed by Knightscope, are intended to support security services. Stacy Dean Stephens, who came up with the idea, told The Guardian the problem that needed solving was one of intelligence. "And the only way to gain accurate intelligence is through eyes and ears," he said. "So, we started looking at different ways to deploy eyes and ears into situations like that." The robot costs about $7 an hour to rent and was inspired by the Sandy Hook school shooting after which it was claimed 12 lives could have been saved if officers arrived a minute earlier.

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  1. Does it have the special cop capabilities by NotInHere · · Score: 3, Funny

    can it detect whether somebody is black or white, in order to find out whether to shoot them at sight?

    1. Re:Does it have the special cop capabilities by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure these things want to shoot everyone on sight. Extermination is equal opportunity.

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    2. Re:Does it have the special cop capabilities by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      can it detect whether somebody is black or white, in order to find out whether to shoot them at sight?

      I have only seen these robo-cops at the Stanford Shopping Center, where there are no black people. Anyway, they are only armed with a camera. A group of unsupervised kids were randomly pushing the buttons on the front of the robot, which caused it to make beeping and whirring noises, but otherwise had no effect on its behavior.

    3. Re:Does it have the special cop capabilities by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Given the shape etc of this robot, it pretty much only need to detect if you're the same brand of him, and if not, well "EXTERMINATE!".

    4. Re:Does it have the special cop capabilities by davester666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These things are just begging to be hacked to say something like "I am authorized to use lethal force if you do not put down that weapon in 10 seconds. Nine....." to anybody coming in range, say every couple of days. Just often enough to totally freak someone out, but rare enough that regular, human security thinks they are crazy.

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    5. Re:Does it have the special cop capabilities by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      We have the technology. :-p It didn't work very well for its intended purpose originally but it seems you just found a new one!

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  2. I see it now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The robots will get tired of poverty wages in about 6 months! Expect picketing, riots, and #RobotLivesMatter soon!

    1. Re:I see it now! by godel_56 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The robots will get tired of poverty wages in about 6 months! Expect picketing, riots, and #RobotLivesMatter soon!

      Nah, they'll just replace it with a cheaper imported model on a H-1B visa.

  3. at last! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2
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  4. A minute too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The robot costs about $7 an hour to rent and was inspired by the Sandy Hook school shooting after which it was claimed 12 lives could have been saved if officers arrived a minute earlier.

    So does this mean that the police weren't notified as soon as the shooter was identified as a threat? That's the only way this claim has any bearing on additional monitoring whatsoever.

    1. Re:A minute too late by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      Or maybe they figure the presence of the robot would have given the shooter something to do for 60 seconds? I really don't know and agree, your question is solid.

    2. Re:A minute too late by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Poor A/C, these grinning show offs are trying sell you fear, and you bought it; using a new millennium Dalik straight from Heath Kit. Maybe these fox news idiots would care to prove their statement offering themselves as live targets, at Sandy Hook, with a real Live Active Shooter. Bets anyone?

    3. Re:A minute too late by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      When seconds count the cops are minutes away. Good thing it was a gun free zone.......

      Doesn't matter.

      Guns make badfeel, double-plus ungood. Guns badthink.

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    4. Re:A minute too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, we need more tired stressed-out teachers locked and loaded, carrying concealed or - better yet - using hip holsters. There is ~surely~ no way more deaths and injuries would have resulted, neither from misfires nor theft of guns by kids. The only calculus is guns = "fantasy solution".

    5. Re:A minute too late by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Yes, we need more tired stressed-out teachers locked and loaded, carrying concealed or - better yet - using hip holsters. There is ~surely~ no way more deaths and injuries would have resulted, neither from misfires nor theft of guns by kids. The only calculus is guns = "fantasy solution".

      Wonderful strawman you built there, and you knock it down so well!

      Interesting how you immediately jump to the worst-case, most extreme scenario straight off. Is everything in your world an extreme dichotomy?

      How about a couple trained and armed security staff and a modest security room with some decent basic video coverage and intrafacility communications ability and separate lines to the outside, basic building access controls, some alarm buttons in classrooms, and some planning for emergencies? We spend more on schools than almost any other nation, surely that wouldn't break the national budget.

      But no.

      Guns make badfeel, double-plus ungood! Guns badthink!

      Goodness knows, we can't allow your precious little crotch-flowers to see guns serving a good and necessary purpose in protecting them! They might get the notion that it's people not inanimate objects that hurt and kill other people![Gasp!]

      I lay the ultimate guilt for every shooting death that occurs in a "gun free zone" by some deadly nutcase and/or terrorist directly on the anti-gun extremists' heads. The same with every shooting death in cities where gun ownership/possession/carry is for the most part illegal and/or practically unattainable for most regular citizens like Chicago, NYC, and Washington D.C.

      The anti-gun extremists should by all rights be rounded up and put on trial for crimes against humanity, if bodycount is the metric. They are ultimately responsible for more shooting deaths every year than 100 Sandy Hooks by preventing law abiding people from protecting themselves and their children as is their Constitutionally-protected right.

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    6. Re:A minute too late by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      When there is an active shooter, the police move very slowly entering the site. I guess they are claiming that the robot could have showed them that the shooter was dead, and they would have entered sooner and possibly would have been able to rendered aid

      Read something written in the last decade.

      Those policies ended after Columbine where "wait and form up" did cost lives. Now it's "pair up and go in find/eliminate the shooter" or just go in alone.

      Example: the gun fight in the parking lot and lobby at the Sikh Temple in Milwaukee. The first cop on scene stopped it and the second finished it.

    7. Re:A minute too late by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      Just going to say, it's not like we've never tried having places where everyone was carrying guns. It's called the Wild West.

      And maybe you think that works better, but some of the rest of us don't. I do think that you can't just put up a sign that says "No guns here!" and pretend like that's going to solve all of our problems with shootings, but blithely suggesting that everyone walk around armed all the time isn't exactly a good solution, either.

    8. Re:A minute too late by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Just going to say, it's not like we've never tried having places where everyone was carrying guns. It's called the Wild West.

      The "Wild West" really wasn't as wild as the old movie Westerns make it seem. There weren't "showdowns" and gunfights on the streets every night. I might mention here that currently the largest US cities with the most restrictive gun laws and policies more closely resemble a movie Western "Wild West" of chaos & shootings than most actual 1860s-era cities/towns did then.

      There is much truth to the saying "an armed society is a polite society".

      It's not really a matter of guns or no guns. It's a matter of culture and morals. It's not the ability to get a gun that creates gangmembers that do drive-by shootings and the like. It's the culture and lack of a common moral framework in the society they're in. Western/US culture and morals, and as a consequence the society along with it, has slowly rotted from within.

      "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

      This is one of the driving forces behind the increasingly-authoritarian trend of the US government. With the decline in culture and morals the people control their own behaviors and actions less and less, so more and more government control is needed to preserve order.

      As you seem to acknowledge, it's practically impossible to prevent those with bad intent from getting guns. Laws only prevent the law-abiding from getting guns. There are more law-abiding/good people than criminals/bad guys, therefor more people with guns means more good people with guns vs the bad guys that would have guns regardless of any laws or bans. They'd just flow across the border unrestricted like drugs and immigrants do now The only reliable and proven way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

      I don't understand this willingness to allow cops to carry guns but not licensed & trained law abiding citizens when cops are just your neighbor in a uniform with a few weeks of a community college law enforcement course and a couple weeks of basic police training in tactics, policies, and procedures.

      Many if not most cops only go to the range the minimum they must to remain qualified. Most licensed gun owners go to the range for practice and get briefed on changes to, or new laws regarding, firearms far more often. Most of the cops I've seen at the range were terrible shots. My 14-yo niece can shoot circles around most of them with either a 9mm or .40. I'm talking either standing stationary or a tactical running scoot-and-shoot. She even out-shoots me with a rifle and I'm pretty darned good!

      Strat

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  5. Easy solution... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    If you ever see one of these, run. There will likely be a blue police box nearby. You can take refuge inside. Don't worry, it's larger on the inside than on the outside.

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    1. Re:Easy solution... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Jeez, just run up a few stairs... You'll be fine.

    2. Re:Easy solution... by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

      Jeez, just run up a few stairs... You'll be fine.

      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.

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  6. Makes sense by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of what mall cops do is make people feel watched. It's the kind of work that's ripe for automation.

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    1. Re:Makes sense by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Most of what mall cops do is make people feel watched. It's the kind of work that's ripe for automation.

      In the US.

      In Australia and the UK we dont really have "mall cops" as we tend not to let crazy people run around with weapons too often. We do have people employed by the shopping centre to assist people like the disabled, the elderly, parents with children when appropriate. Generally policing is done by the police and shopping centres are full of cameras (so that they can be charged and then released by the police and courts).

      The only time I've seen actual mall cops is in the Philippines where you have to enter via a metal detector and all the guards are packing (yes, there are lots of guns in the Phils).

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  7. twenty seconds to comply by slew · · Score: 1

    Doesn't matter; you have ten seconds to comply.

    Actually "twenty seconds to comply". Your geek card is hereby revoked...

  8. Real-life? by Livius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a cool technology and it's serving a practical need.

    But as soon as someone says "Real-Life RoboCop" and then backpedals to a kind of surveillance drone, none of the rest of it has any credibility.

    1. Re:Real-life? by Z80a · · Score: 1

      They don't want it to be compared to a certain another "robot" in fiction that this thing looks like.

    2. Re:Real-life? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      This is a cool technology and it's serving a practical need.

      But as soon as someone says "Real-Life RoboCop" and then backpedals to a kind of surveillance drone, none of the rest of it has any credibility.

      Further more, it looks nothing like rocbocop, it looks like someone with a hard-on for Apple products made a body kit for a Dalek.

      Its completely non threatening, I can see it having serious problems with stairs, getting into elevators uneven carpets and any undulation really, I can see Chavs (youths that wear their hats backwards) making a game of knocking this thing over so a person has to come and put it upright again. I certainly hope they built it to be able to take a tumble as it will be taking quite a few if it ever gets deployed.

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  9. Chopping Mall by jpatters · · Score: 1

    Sounds more like the Killbots from Chopping Mall than Robocop.

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  10. How long will it be? by gijoel · · Score: 1

    before one of these things are stolen?

    1. Re:How long will it be? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be too hard. They are just oversized weebles. Knock one over and roll it towards your van.

    2. Re:How long will it be? by kuzb · · Score: 1

      ...and then get tracked by the owner and arrested since an expensive guard robot will almost certainly have a tracking and long-range communication system...

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    3. Re:How long will it be? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Every robot has an off switch.

  11. ED 209 by PPH · · Score: 1

    "You have 20 seconds to comply."

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  12. Bug or feature? by Snufu · · Score: 1

    You have to reboot them every couple hours or they get stuck in the cinnabon or start macing children indiscriminately.

  13. Sure. by man_ls · · Score: 1

    That looks like a promising way to deter car prowls in parking garages, and alert security if there is one in real time. Maybe similar in buildings with lots of windows, have a few of these robots patrol the corridors listening for the sound of glass breaking or doors opening where they shouldn't be.

    I'm not sure I understand the connection to Sandy Hook, but I suppose inspiration isn't necessarily a deterministic process, so who's to say that's wrong.

  14. EXTERMINATE! by sjames · · Score: 1

    n/t

  15. RoboCop? Really? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    That's the best you could yo for a comparison?

    Doesn't anyone else thing that this thing looks like what you'd get if you were to mate a Dalek with an iPod?

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  16. Re:Inspired by Sandy Hook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NYC is a gun free city, and has the lowest crime of any medium to large metro area out there. Australia's gun killings are a fraction of what they were after the assault weapons were cleaned up. Venezuela's violence went down, even with hits horrific economic conditions because of the all-out gun ban. Even with their economy in shambles, without guns, violence is a lot harder to do.

    Gun free zones do work. The proof is in the pudding. Would be nice for the US to not be the #1 murder capital of the world next to countries with failed states. Maybe if the entire US was a gun free zone, it would be as safe as Europe. (Oh, don't give me the ISIS stuff... lightning takes far more lives than the chance of even breathing air with a terrorist in action.)

  17. Re:Inspired by Sandy Hook? by blindseer · · Score: 1

    I just realized something after I submitted the parent post. The idea of putting electronic eyes and ears on robots for security can be applied to robots used for other purposes. Slashdot has covered robots used as shopping guides before, just have a video and audio feed from these robots available to the security people at the site. It's a 2 for 1 deal.

    Alternatively, put cameras and microphones on the store employees. This will no doubt meet resistance by employees if on all the time so give them the option to turn them on and off as they wish. Train the employees to turn them on if something happens or if they feel threatened. Build the function into the radios they almost always have any way to communicate throughout the site.

    Arming the employees might not hurt either.

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  18. Why monitor a problem if you don’t fix it? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1
  19. Re:Inspired by Sandy Hook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Chicago's a gun free zone as well. How's that working out?

    As for Venezuela, if they had guns, maybe their government could've been stopped before it drove the country into the shambles it's in.

    Gun free zones do not work. Oh, and Europe safe? Go read the news on Germans and Austrians making a mad rush for the gun stores to purchase protection from all the new violence the 'fugees are bringing in with them.

    Americans know why they need weapons. Europeans are just starting to figure it out.

  20. Re:Inspired by Sandy Hook? by SJ · · Score: 1

    In Australia it's a lovely blue most of the time.

    Guns are also heavily restricted here. Funnily enough, we don't have mass-shootings either.

  21. Exterminate! by SJ · · Score: 1

    Looks like Eve from Wall-E got jiggy(watt) with a Dalek.

  22. Re:Inspired by Sandy Hook? by blindseer · · Score: 1
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  23. Re:This may be a good thing... by kuzb · · Score: 1

    Shooting a robot should be grounds for a murder charge?

    Until someone actually develops a robot capable of autonomous thought and self-awareness that will continue to be the dumbest thing I've heard this year so far.

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  24. Re: Inspired by Sandy Hook? by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 1

    The fact that their last occurance was 2014, and they can actually make a list going back to the 1600s of all mass murder incidents means he's not really lying....

  25. Re:Not Robocop by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    This is more like ED-209 Robocop was a Cyborg meaning a human brain supported by mechanics and electronics...

    Or a Terminator.

    Or a Cyberman.

    Or a Dalek.

    Oh joy.

  26. Re:Inspired by Sandy Hook? by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

    Where do these "suicidal murderers" come from? why only in US these are more prevalent than the rest of the world? Almost all these people were under severe psychotic drugs. Someone makes money off them (read big pharma, hospitals). So it's better to stop the loopholes which feed a normal mind with all kind of chemicals and turn that mind into a monster. Now with easy access to an automatic military grade weapon, he(/she?) becomes a mass murderer.

    These extra 'eyes n ears' talk about big data and kinda AI/ML (machine learning) and have the ability to "predict". That is they claim anamoly detection. They even use the word "future"..predict future. So once the system senses a guy is a potential "mass murderer", it can alert the human backend (which in future may deploy a remote drone kind of attack on the person)

  27. Re:Did you ever actually see the movie? by Calydor · · Score: 1

    Came here to see if anyone made this correction already.

    Was not disappointed.

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  28. Giving Surveillance a hug by birukun · · Score: 1

    Where are the warnings on it you are being recorded? When was the last time you hugged a mall cop? This thing should have warnings on it you are being recorded up close and personal.

    This wonderful bit of technology is one more step towards getting the next generation comfortable to being watched all the time.

    And to tie it to Sandy Hook? Seriously? Just like the TSA, this is an improper response to a security problem in that context.

    Couple this with the other news about the government not needing warrants for 'public' camera streams and we have a recipe for some real control of the populace.

    We are sliding down that slippery slope at a good pace now. Ugh.

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  29. Minimum wage fail? Security fail? Just fail. by blindseer · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this is another example on how the artificial minimum wage is putting people out of work. If this robot costs $7/hr and the minimum wage is $15/hr then it would make sense for any property owner to have a handful of these robots and a single security guard in a room watching video screens.

    What it also does is further separate people from people. People value human interaction, even if it's just having someone in a uniform smile and nod as they walk past. Companies that put a bunch of robots instead of people to provide security may find themselves driving off customers and not know why. The people that avoid shopping in places guarded by roaming robots might not even realize why they stopped shopping there.

    I also dispute the security value they provide since they lack any ability to act on the information they gather. We've seen this already with stationary security cameras. People tried to save on labor costs and claim to provide the same level of security by having more cameras but the cameras never have the resolution of the human eye and the lack of the ability to act immediately provides an escape for thugs. There are numerous cases of security cameras capturing criminal behavior with the people knowing full well they are on camera. They don't care because they know the camera cannot act, the person behind the camera (assuming there is one) will not be able to get on scene in time to catch them as they flee.

    I think they'd be better off finding some responsible young adults, give them a bit of training on how to notice bad behavior, write a report, etc. and give them the $7/hr instead of the robot. Judging by the unemployment rates of young adults it should not be difficult to find people willing to do this work. But in many places in the USA this is illegal. So instead we have inferior security robots, unemployed people, shopping centers with robots creeping people out, etc.

    As a bonus to having people walking around to keep an eye on things they can actually do stuff that the robot cannot. They can pick up trash, greet people, give directions, etc. In short this robot is the solution to a problem we've created ourselves.

    An artificial solution to an artificial problem.

    This robot was supposedly inspired by a mass shooting but yet this robot is not armed, it can only alert the armed people to come to the aid of others. This might shorten the time that it takes to alert people but without a person doing the alerting there is no person there. I don't know what the going rate is for armed security but I'd think that is much more valuable than any $7/hr robot. The way things are going it may be possible to get some responsible armed guards for just $7/hr if it wasn't illegal to do so.

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  30. Re:Minimum wage fail? Security fail? Just fail. by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

    This robot was supposedly inspired by a mass shooting but yet this robot is not armed, it can only alert the armed people to come to the aid of others

    And guess what Adam Lanza's first bullet would have been directed at?