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Apple Sued Over iPhones Making Calls, Sending Email (fortune.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Fortune: A company that seemingly does nothing but license patents or, if necessary, sue other companies to get royalties, has taken aim at Apple. But here's the kicker: the lawsuit alleges that Apple's last several iPhones and iPads violate a slew of patents related to seemingly standard features, including the ability to place calls as well as sending and receiving emails. A total of six patent infringement claims were brought against Apple by Corydoras Technologies on May 20, according to Apple-tracking site Patently Apple, which obtained a copy of the lawsuit. According to Patently Apple, the counts against Apple cover every iPhone dating back to the iPhone 4 and every iPad dating back to the iPad 2. In addition to taking issue with Apple's devices placing calls, the lawsuits also allege that the tech giant violates patents Corydoras holds related to video calling, which is similar to Apple's FaceTime, as well as displaying a person's geographic location through a feature like Find My iPhone and the ability to block unwanted calls. Last year, Apple was ordered to pay $533 million to Smartflash LLC for allegedly violating three patents related to copy protection.

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  1. wait, wut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    an iphone can make calls? no fucking way! i don't think i've ever seen my sister or her kid make a call on theirs.

    1. Re:wait, wut? by saloomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I know, this is stupid. Making calls? Making video calls? Ever see 2001: A space odyssey? Im sure there are older examples of video calling. Isn't that prior art? What the fuck?

      These patents needs to be invalidated, patents should last for a decade at the most. If you can't make money on the idea in a decade, and gain enough marketshare to fund further R&D, get out of capitalism.
      But seriously, why are these trivial patents getting through our system with so much prior art and established methods already common knowledge. No Corydoras Technologies, you did not invent the video phone, nor did you tell Apple how its done. /rant

    2. Re:wait, wut? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's common sense presumably. Except that the judges and juries in East Texas haven't seen that movie yet.

      Whew. That was close. You used the phrase "common sense" and the word Texas in two different sentences.

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    3. Re:wait, wut? by neilo_1701D · · Score: 2

      I know, this is stupid. Making calls? Making video calls? Ever see 2001: A space odyssey? Im sure there are older examples of video calling. Isn't that prior art?

      Try Dick Tracey. Look at his fancy wristwatch that he could make video calls with - back in the '30's!

    4. Re:wait, wut? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      I know, this is stupid. Making calls? Making video calls? Ever see 2001: A space odyssey? Im sure there are older examples of video calling. Isn't that prior art? What the fuck?

      I have something new for you!

      http://archive.ncsa.illinois.e...

      Video calls are there. It also skewers facebook, twitter, etc all the way from 1909. The guy had a real read on human nature. I have not yet found anything else of his which is nearly so good however.

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    5. Re:wait, wut? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Already posted elsewhere. I'm guessing you've not read "the machine stops", which had them in 1909. It's really REALLY worth a read, and it's not long. Also, out of copyright:

      http://archive.ncsa.illinois.e...

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    6. Re:wait, wut? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone having a general idea does not constitute prior art.

      No problem with that. But then someone needs to explain those stupid judges that actually implementing something (using your own method) does not constitute infringement of somebody's general idea described in a patent.

    7. Re:wait, wut? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      Being able to look at people you're talking to in real time at a distance is a common sense fantasy; it is quite another thing to figure out how to do it.

      If the "how to do it" is important, then please explain why it is infringement if somebody figures out his own way of how to do it. You can't have it both ways. Typically those bogus patents don't event contain a description of the how to do part...

    8. Re:wait, wut? by crgrace · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Warp Drive" as a concept should not be patentable. If it were, then someone could claim a patent on all faster-than-light travel.

      What *is* patentable is a specific implementation of the warp drive concept. Someone else could build a warp drive in a different way, but they couldn't copy your design.

      That's the main idea behind patents, although it is partially corrupted now.

  2. Trivial patents by NotInHere · · Score: 2

    They should be abolished. Patent trolls aren't the problem, if patent trolls get banned they will buy fake businesses and sell ten manually made phones for 6k$ each.

    1. Re:Trivial patents by hey! · · Score: 2

      You know they used to have this thing back in Shakespeare's day called "irony", where the audience was supposed to understand a character's words in way that was different than the character intended them to be understood.

      People stopped using "irony" because it was stupid; it makes stuff too hard to understand.

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    2. Re:Trivial patents by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      You know they used to have this thing back in Shakespeare's day called "irony", where the audience was supposed to understand a character's words in way that was different than the character intended them to be understood.

      People stopped using "irony" because it was stupid; it makes stuff too hard to understand.

      It all started when Alanis Morissette made people think it had to do with rain on your wedding day... (sigh)

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    3. Re:Trivial patents by germansausage · · Score: 2

      The best word for Rain on your wedding day is "unfortunate", not "ironic".

  3. Good by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more stupid patent lawsuits we have, the more likely we will see patent reform.

    Right now, none of the big guys want patent reform, because it helps them keep down competitors, and some of them make a good chunk of money from it. If we want to see patent reform, then they're going to have to start hurting. Bring on the patent trolls, I say!

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    1. Re:Good by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The more stupid lawsuits we have, the more stupid lawsuits we'll have. Why would the lawyers stop the gravy train just when it's getting going?

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    2. Re:Good by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      The defensive ones only make money if the company is profitable.

      [citation needed]

      I see you haven't had many dealings with lawyers.

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    3. Re:Good by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      One teeny tiny problem with the idea of patent law reform bound to patent abuses, lawyers. Lawyers make the most money with patents, filing them and attacking with them and defending from them and oh wait, the fuckers write those laws that make them a shit bucket ton of money, filing them and attacking with them and defending from them. Seems like we have to change the way laws are written first and how they are 'interpreted' in the courts and to prevent abuses by the legal system that it drives on purpose in order to profit.

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  4. Toss'em! [Re:I don't know how it would work....] by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I say outright get rid of software patents: the drawbacks outweigh the benefits. Most new software ideas are created in the act of making a specific product, not mass general research labs of the kind Edison used. This means that the ideas would be created anyhow even without the royalty incentives.

    And most don't bother to mine existing patents for new ideas because most are vague, obvious, or trivial junk, often filed for defensive or legal ammunition reasons.

    Thus, the two main reasons for patents: incentives and publicizing ideas, are mostly moot these days. For every good software patent, I bet there are at least 10 junk patents.

    Patents can join H-1B visas in the high abuse-to-legitimacy ratio: a game played by and for big biz to stay big at the expense of everybody else.

  5. Expo 67 - Canada - Eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 1967 one of the ways Canada celebrated its centenary was to hold an exposition called Expo 67. I can remember being there as a kid and being entranced by something that looked like it was from the future. It had a keyboard, a telephone handset and a ~10" black and white screen. You could talk to and see the person on the other side of the hall who was sitting at a similar device. According to Bell Canada it was coming "real soon now".

    1. Re:Expo 67 - Canada - Eh by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Funny

      The only thing from Bell Canada that's "coming real soon now" is your next invoice.

  6. Re:I don't know how it would work.... by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember though that in the past you had to actually show a model of your invention, and have a patent inspector pass on it. Meaning that you had done some non-trivial amount of work first, you had the idea and also the means to demonstrate the idea, and now needed time to get manufacturing up and running. Today the patent inspectors just rubber stamp everything, no one needs a working model, or even a non-working model. That's what's broken.

    The limited time for exclusive access was very useful in the past. That is, if you think that supporting the little guy versus the large conglomerate is useful for society. The actual purpose of patents originally was not to lock everything out from everyone else, instead the purpose was to make the patent free and open once the time period expired. Before patents inventions were kept locked up and controlled, guilds were formed to protect the secrets, and so forth.

    The patent term was long enough to get up and running and get into a competitive position before the rest of the world started making copies (but long enough to be more lucrative than hoarding the invention). Twenty years was also a very short period in the past, it just seems extremely long today because people are rushing new crap out as fast as they can and planned obsolescence is the status quo.

  7. Re:I don't know how it would work.... by hey! · · Score: 2

    I guess theoretically we could crack down on them with the laws we have now. First you'd have to start by granting fewer BS patents, which means hiring more and better patent examiners. Then you'd have to go after people who falsify stuff, including skipping over obvious cases of prior art.

    The reason this remains a problem is that we don't have enough interest in using the laws we already have, much less making any new ones. Until we start electing people who want to do something about this we all have to live in a world where there are BS legal impediments to creating and bringing new products to market. It doesn't matter when it's a company like Apple, which has the resources to defend itself; the chilling effect is much greater on smaller companies. Which is why it politically is allowed to continue existing.

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  8. Like the Old Saying Goes . . . by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Patent trolling is the motherfucker of invention.

  9. Bottom Feeders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anyone else notice the company is NAMED for a species of bottom-feeding catfish?

    1. Re:Bottom Feeders by donaldm · · Score: 2

      Anyone else notice the company is NAMED for a species of bottom-feeding catfish?

      Well colour me surprised here it is . Basically, Corydoras is a genus of freshwater in the armoured catfish family -- seems fairly appropriate for this companies name.

      In addition, Corydoras are generally found in smaller-sized streams, along the margins of larger rivers, in marshes and ponds -- Wow this seems familiar.

      Their feeding method is to search the bottom with their sensory barbels and suck up food items with their mouth, often burying their snout up to their eyes, one of the reasons a soft sand substrate is preferable -- This seems to describe patent trolls in general. I wonder if a "soft sand substrate is preferable" refers to Texas?

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  10. Re:Absurd! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Otherwise I could just file a patent for a time machine. Now no one can create a time machine in the next twenty years without my permission.

    They'll just travel back in time and either (a) create prior art and/or (b) file a patent before you - the results will likely be paradoxical.

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  11. Re:I don't know how it would work.... by russotto · · Score: 2

    That's not the problem. This is the courts job: to judge the merit of the case.

    The courts defer to the patent office. The patent office uses a rubber stamp and expects the courts to sort it out.

  12. Re:actual claims by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

    Sloth, stupidity. No knowledge of computers. What we need is a last gasp of this crap, with companies who are sued for ridiculous mundane stuff like this to sue the patent office for frivolous and bad patents. Though I dunno if you can sue the USPO

    Can you file a patent for issuing patents? Would the uspo have thought to do that? Get that, then sue them for patent infringement on issuing patents in the most frivolous case ever.

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  13. Let's just state the obvious by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jurors in Texas are stupid. There, I said it. Many patent trolls are located in Texas and they all prefer to file in Texas courts, since idiot juries reliably award them millions. "Your website uses usernames and passwords to log in? Why didn't you get a license from this here local Texas firm that invented that idea? Pay up now, the law is the law!" Remember that John Oliver story on patents? Samsung actually built a public outdoor ice skating rink in Marshall, TX because they're so terrified of the juries there. Apple was ordered by a Texas jury to pay a half billion dollars to a troll who held a patent on the concept of copy protection. I hate Samsung and Apple, I hate copy protection, but Texas is worse than both of them put together.

    1. Re: Let's just state the obvious by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      And the juries in a particular West Texas district feel the same. Any big corporation they feel is the enemy. Whereas a patent troll who has an empty office in town are the small guys and thus the good guys. That's all they know and all they want to know, and they don't want to know the facts because that just complicates things for them.

  14. Combinations of other peoples inventions by zuckie13 · · Score: 2

    Is it me, or do these patents just sound like "take these previously invented things and put them together". Combinations of things that already have been invented should not be patent-able. On top of that, I'd live to put a very short statute of limitations on filing claims like these. You have 6 months from the time the item was publicly released on the market. That's it. No waiting about for years so you can claim larger infringement.