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Facebook Is Tweaking Trending Topics To Counter Charges of Bias (recode.net)

An anonymous reader writes: Facebook has said once again in an open letter to Sen. John Thune, chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, that its Trending Topics section is free of any political bias or manipulation. But in response to Gizmodo's report that Facebook employees were suppressing conservative news stories, Facebook is revamping how editors find trending stories. "We could not fully exclude the possibility of isolated improper actions or unintentional bias in the implementation of our guidelines or policies," Facebook general Counsel Colin Stretch wrote. Of course, Facebook is going to train the human editors who work on their trending section; they're also going to abandon several automated tools it used to find and categorize trending news in the past. Recode provides some examples, writing, "[Facebook] will no longer use its "1K list," a group of 1,000 websites it used to help verify headlines." Facebook will also get rid of several top publications, including the New York Times and CNN.

157 comments

  1. Biased by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So in summary, Facebook is going to become biased in order to prevent being labeled as biased.

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    1. Re:Biased by mfearby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which is why I don't use Facebook as a source of news. I only use it to keep in touch with people I know, and ignore the rest of whatever else it offers.

    2. Re:Biased by EzInKy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      It appears so. Guess from now on all you will see on Facebook are stories celebrating right wing facists who want to force their silly outdated religions on others.

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    3. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, that's pretty much what everyone uses it for. Check out what your friends are doing/baby pictures/cat pictures, ignore everything else.

      Twitter is where everything is, if you're into Twitter.

      Nobody bothers, or cares about most online publications as a whole, but piecemeal they are still considered primary sources of news, and unlike facebook, Twitter doesn't promote articles, it promotes "trending hashtags" and that is an entirely human driven mechanic. Twitter's platform is also a lot harder to manipulate with sockpuppet accounts.

      Facebook's "verification" is what ultimately harms it, same with google+ and various "real name policies" like that used for HuffPo, CBC.ca and such. All it does it discourage posting on controversial topics and just comment on local news instead.

    4. Re:Biased by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      All this fuss about "Trending" on Facebook... Am I the only one who's never even seen this thing. It doesn't show up on my FB page. I googled it, just to see what it is, but it doesn't show up where it's supposed to be.

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    5. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      as opposed to left wing fascist who want to force their silly social "justice" religion on others

    6. Re:Biased by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The entertaining part about all of this is that a political party that is fighting for private organizations to deny groups service based on "religious" preference is now complaining that a private organization is denying groups "equal time" based on political preference.

    7. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So in summary, Facebook is going to become biased in order to prevent being labeled as biased.

      In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.

              "What are you doing?", asked Minsky.
              "I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-tac-toe", Sussman replied.
              "Why is the net wired randomly?", asked Minsky.
              "I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play", Sussman said.

              Minsky then shut his eyes.
              "Why do you close your eyes?" Sussman asked his teacher.
              "So that the room will be empty."
              At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

      Some AI Koans - Hacker Folklore

    8. Re:Biased by Coisiche · · Score: 1

      It might depend on how you view it. I've seen it on desktop browsers but not on mobile browsers. On desktop browsers it might be something that can be suppressed with plugins/extensions.

    9. Re:Biased by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've not seen anyone forcing straight folk to enter into marriages homosexual folk. Can you say the same for your "side"? It's either you marry the opposite sex or you don't marry at all.

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    10. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what does that have to do with the left and the right being equally desperate to force every follow their rules

    11. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in summary, Facebook is going to become biased in order to prevent being labeled as biased.

      They should have just plastered "Fair and Balanced" on their site. Problem solved!

    12. Re:Biased by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      Obviously, there's good bias and bad bias.

      Fox News, being 100% biased toward extremist right-wing nutbaggery, is allowed to be as biased as they like. This is good bias.

      Facebook weren't always biased towards that, they let some lefty-sounding things though sometimes, so that's automatically bad bias. Shame on them.

      Of course, the difference is that they're both privately owned media/publishing businesses. That crucial difference is why it's OK for Fox to be biased but not Facebook. Shame on those damn commies.

    13. Re:Biased by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      the fact that your "equally desperate" claim is complete bullshit.

      the right says "you're different so we have the right to hound you until you commit suicide. fucking faggot!"

      the left says "mind your own fucking business".

    14. Re:Biased by EzInKy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Nobody on the left wants to force straights that want to marry to marry homosexuals, but everyone on the right wants to force homosexuals that want to marry to marry straights. It is only the "conservatives" who are trying to force people to follow rules, liberals believe in allowing people to follow their own hearts.

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    15. Re:Biased by khallow · · Score: 1

      Because the only rules in existence are rules on who to marry.

    16. Re:Biased by khallow · · Score: 1

      And why was this supposed to be insightful? There is good reason for Sussman's methods here which Minsky's closing of the eyes does not emulate.

    17. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      proper classic liberals yes, the social liberal, marxisme in disguise, "liberals" are just as busy as telling people what to do and think as the right wing religious morons

    18. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unfortunately that's not right. The left does actually NOT say "mind your own fucking business". It says "I tell you what fucking business you should mind!" and more important "I also tell you what business you MUST NOT mind".

      And that's where I had to detach myself from being "left". I do not feel that I have the right to tell people what they are allowed to fucking THINK.

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    19. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I've taken a look at some hashtag-aggregation site that tries to figure out "hashtrends".

      And ignoring local trends, the only thing the US is currently seemingly interested is some kind of bachelorette. I don't know what it is, but I cannot really get myself to think that this is in any way relevant...

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    20. Re:Biased by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know what "left" you were a part of, but I've never in my life wanted (or intended) to control how anybody thinks. Be as prejudiced as you like! But god so help you if you attempt to act on your prejudice, say by enacting laws to enshrine that prejudice into statutes that we all have to follow. Then I will come down on you like the hammer of Thor.

      So: Think, whatever you want. Be as prejudiced and hateful as you like! But if you choose to act on that, yeah, I've got a huge problem with that.

      Thoughts don't really matter. Actions? They matter.

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    21. Re:Biased by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You could read it that way. You could also read it as Facebook will stop shitting on links that don't come from a major site:

      Recode provides some examples, writing, "[Facebook] will no longer use its "1K list," a group of 1,000 websites it used to help verify headlines."

      I did an experiment with fb some years back when it was failing to post most of my political content. If I posted some inane bullshit (I literally used something with "Snooki" in the headline at the time) it would post immediately and stay posted. If I posted something with far-left political content, not only would it often fail to post to begin with, but Facebook would actually remove the URL from the status update later, as in the next day or two, or sometimes weeks later. If I went to my history and manually verified that the content still existed, it did. And meanwhile, my shit canary comment sitting next to it would still be there.

      Now, I don't know, maybe they did this to all kinds of content, but in my testing, they were specifically killing left-of-left ultra-liberal content. And it happened again and again.

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    22. Re: Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why simplistic "left" and "right" labels are meaningless when used with no further clarification. The identity politics of the left can no more be represented under the banner same banner as classical liberalism than all right-leaning variants could sit under a single label. To do so invites pissing matches over who is the true Scotsman. It feeds the tribalism that drowns ideas in a sea of tribalism.

      I could describe myself as a left-leaning libertarian, which begins to hint at where I stand on some issues, yet it doesn't tell you where I draw a line on state involvement or freedom of speech. Would I find common cause in certain ideas of traditionally right wing if left wing positions? Sure, and a simple label can't represent the true nuance of political and social positions.

      Some labels have better descriptive powers than others, but still we should exercise caution.

    23. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And why was this supposed to be insightful? There is good reason for Sussman's methods here which Minsky's closing of the eyes does not emulate.

      Sussman didn't understand that the program would start with some biases even if wired at random. Minsky had to point out that the system "has them, it's just that you don't know what they are". There might be good reasons to start training from a random position, but Sussman was doing it for the wrong ones.

      The koan is based on a true story, BTW.

    24. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    25. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The complaint isn't "equal time" it's to not suppress trending topics based on bias.

    26. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not really a friend of that false "left-right" dichotomy. "You're left? So you're a commie!" No. For the same reason that someone who's right leaning isn't a Fascist.

      What I despise is those "new left", that's about as despicable as the "new right" we had a while ago now, that emerged, which are religiously fanatic do-gooders. PC-bullshit spewing, safe-space needing special snowflakes that come up with solutions trying to find a problem. Who ensure that you can't tell no joke anymore because someone, somewhere could maybe somehow be offended by it.

      "What's the opposite of Christopher Reeves?"
      "Christopher Walken"

      But you can't tell that! That's offensive! To cripples. No, wait, you can't say that word anymore either. They're disabled. No, wait, they're not, they're "differently able" now. Or maybe they are not anymore and we have a new bullshit word now for it, sorry, I don't really waste my time keeping up with bullshit.

      Fuck that. And the PC snowflakes while we're at it.

      That's what I'm talking about. These bullshitters are not about "mind your own buisiness", they are EXACTLY the same ilk as the other religious idiots from the right side of the spectrum trying to dictate what I may or may not say, think or do, not based on some real requirements for coexistence. One take their moral high ground from the whims of their imaginary buddy, one from the imagined "offense" someone MIGHT feel when he's told that reality doesn't conform to his (or her, their, hir or whatever fucked up mangled pronoun is now correct to use so I don't "oppress" someone by assuming his, her, its, whatevershit's gender) whims.

      Fuck them both. Lock them in a room and hand them enough ammo to shoot each other.

      Whoever loses
      We win.

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    27. Re:Biased by Kiuas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunately that's not right. The left does actually NOT say "mind your own fucking business". It says "I tell you what fucking business you should mind!" and more important "I also tell you what business you MUST NOT mind".

      And that's where I had to detach myself from being "left". I do not feel that I have the right to tell people what they are allowed to fucking THINK.

      This is a perfect example of why a one dimensional left/right -divide is utterly useless. I live in a globally very heavily to the left country (Finland) and adhere to many leftist ideas such as the universal health care and education systems we have here, as well as progressive taxation etc...

      However, I do not buy into, nor support, any of the SJW crap about forcing people to feel/think/speak a certain way, and I say this as a part of one of the minorities (disabled since birth) that this crowd so often claims to be defending. There are loads of us. If you look at popular anti-SJW youtube chnalles such as Sargon of Akkad who has over 300 000 subscribers and over 74 000 000 views with numerous videos critizing and debunking this SJW thoughtcrime BS, and you take a look at the channel demographics, you'll note that the vast majority (55 %) of his viewership falls into the same category as the man himself (and me as well): a left-leaning libertarian. Ie. people who do not believe in letting the free markets decide over anything and everything, and believe the state serves as an important factor in making sure people's basic needs are met etc, but still at the same time maintain that individuals are free to say what they want, enjoy whatever substances they want etc... The authoritarian left of which you speak of is not just opposed by the right, but by a large quantity of us leftists ourselves, as one of the Sargon videos I linked above well puts it, the modern day SJW crowd has become very similar to the authoritarian right.

      So no, there is no one 'The Left' anymore than there is one "The Right". The political field is much wider than that and we should all know that at this point. The political compass is a good tarting point to rid yourself of the tubelike vision that all members of left/right think alike or uniformly, I recommend checking it out if you haven't already,

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    28. Re:Biased by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I do not feel that I have the right to tell people what they are allowed to fucking THINK.

      Is someone telling you what you're allowed to think?

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    29. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But god so help you if you attempt to act on your prejudice, say by enacting laws to enshrine that prejudice into statutes that we all have to follow. Then I will come down on you like the hammer of Thor.

      I agree completely with this, but I'm having trouble interpreting it as a left-wing position. The only racial and sexual discrimination currently enshrined in law is "affirmative action", which is (I think) supported by the left and opposed by the right.

    30. Re:Biased by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that trending topics should be equally distributed among biases?

    31. Re:Biased by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      The rest of the media spent the 1990s talking about Clinton's genitalia, promoted Bush as someone you'd have a beer with (no I fucking wouldn't), suppressed criticism of the lead up to the Iraq War (attacking critics as unpatriotic), and refused to drop that policy until late into Bush's presidency, and, by and large, avoided mentioning the dangers of the post-2008 Republican melt-down because they're too scared they'll be criticized as "left wing", until the rise of Trump made it impossible to ignore any more.

      And how are they both "far left" and a "mouthpiece for the Democratic party"? The Democrats are a centrist party - why do you think Sanders is being badmouthed by it? The person the Democratic establishment wants to win is friends with Henry Kissenger for fuck's sake.

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    32. Re:Biased by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

      When reality refuses to conform to what you want it to be, simply deny reality.

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    33. Re:Biased by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Like the iPod shuffle can't be too random or it annoys people because it isn't random enough.

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    34. Re:Biased by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Fox News tell you that?

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    35. Re:Biased by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      I've not seen anyone forcing straight folk to enter into marriages homosexual folk. Can you say the same for your "side"?

      Well, speaking for myself, I don't have a "side." I hate bible-thumping conservatives every bit as much as SJW hippies.

      What I oppose is ANYONE who wants to restrict my right to speak my mind, or who wants to force me to pay lip service to their cause, or who wants to make their cause above criticism, or who wants to bully and threaten anyone whose only sin is to dare disagree with them. And that's true whether it's a bible-thumper passing some law to make Christianity the official U.S. religion, an SJW trying to enforce "hate speech" laws which make it "hate" to disagree with the SJW agenda, or a Muslim wanting to enforce Sharia law in some suburb of Britain.

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    36. Re:Biased by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So in summary, Facebook is going to become biased in order to prevent being labeled as biased.

      And now that they have facebook on the run, they won't stop until they only reference Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

      Cave baby, cave!

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    37. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm a white male. I am not allowed to tell a black woman that she's wrong. Even if she is. Else I may at best choose whether I'd want to be misogynistic first and then racist or whether I want to be berated about being racist first.

      Just recently I discovered a masterpiece of a video where I was told that even THINKING that I could possibly be right when disagreeing with said black woman is already a no-go. Which strikes me a lot like the Christian tenet where "wanting to sin" is already a sin...

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    38. Re:Biased by tbannist · · Score: 1
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    39. Re:Biased by west · · Score: 2

      > one from the imagined "offense" someone MIGHT feel when he's told that reality doesn't conform to his (or her, their, hir or whatever fucked up mangled pronoun is now correct to use so I don't "oppress" someone by assuming his, her, its, whatevershit's gender) whims.

      Exactly how many times have *you* personally been admonished for using the wrong pronoun or the like. Not searched for it on the Internet, not heard about it over conversation, but been personally confronted by another human being for something as trivial as this.

      Because if it's not been dozens of times, I suspect that its someone else whose special snowflake feelings have been hurt by the *suggestion* that someone else might disapprove of their speech patterns and now feels oppressed. :-)

      PC is essentially consideration. Sure, there are some people whose needs are so out there that I probably won't afford them the consideration they would like, but you know, I've never met any of them in real life. And if I did, all it proves is that there are people out there who I'm not willing to spend the effort to accommodate (although I would try if I dealt with them on a regular basis).

      I really don't get this generation of real men (or women I suppose) who are such delicate flowers that their nose is put out of joint by the idea that someone somewhere disapproves of their language and they post about it on Tumbler... Dear God, the horror!

      If you don't want to exercise a level of consideration that is relevant to the people you talk with regularly, well that just makes you a bit of a jerk. However, I'm going to bet that you aren't, and you probably do moderate your language a little so as to not offend the people you actually talk to, even if it costs you a tiny amount of cognitive effort.

      Dear God, the horror! You've turned PC!

    40. Re:Biased by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      Exactly.... only thing is why this senator is not raking Faux (errr...Fox) News over the coals for their "Fair & Balanced" news reporting?

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    41. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Nobody on the left wants to force straights that want to marry to marry homosexuals, but everyone on the right wants to force homosexuals that want to marry to marry straights. It is only the "conservatives" who are trying to force people to follow rules, liberals believe in allowing people to follow their own hearts.

      Oh My God. I actually had to write that out considering how utterly shocked I am. Since when are conservatives forcing homosexual people to marry straight people? Why do you make this stuff up?

      If being conservative was considered a race, your comment would be as racist as they come. Next time before you post about "people on the right", reread your statement and insert instead "people who are black". If the comment sounds racist when you insert that, then you should not post it and really re-examine your personal values.

    42. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind what you do, but I do think you should die in a fire :D Have a nice day.

    43. Re:Biased by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1
      >>the left says "mind your own fucking business".

      Unless your business is baking wedding cakes, selling sugary drinks, running a cigar lounge, or administering benefits for a national hobby and crafts chain. Then the Left is very much interested in minding your business for you.

    44. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the only rules in existence are rules on who to marry.

      Nope, the right also set about forbidding other rules on who was allowed to marry, and even forbidding acknowledgement or recognition of other rules even if they were alternatives to marriage.

      They also opposed child custody, and yes, it is the RIGHT, the religious right, that is behind child support laws.

    45. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The wedding cake one is one that's always confused me. Honestly food in general. If an establishment doesn't want to serve me food, yes, it's sad they've got problems and it would be great if they weren't so petty, but if it required a court order for that person to make that food item for me, I just don't much want to eat it. I just assume I'll be eating a lot of bodily fluids I'd rather not be eating.

    46. Re: Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a world of difference between making someone make something like a cake they don't want to and intentionally misleading millions and forcing others to do so unless they don't want a job. Some people believe Harry Potter is real... It's even easier to fool the average person that trump has no or only bad media exposure for example. This doesn't serve the public at large and citizen or not, that is required for a corporations existence.

    47. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, watch the battle of the mods. Someone seems to have stirred the SJW army.

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    48. Re:Biased by shawn2772 · · Score: 2

      Which is why I don't use Facebook as a source of news. I only use it to keep in touch with people I know, and ignore the rest of whatever else it offers.

      Me too. I use slashdot. There's no bias here.

    49. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Care to explain why it has to be a fire?

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    50. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a source of right wing nutbaggery! Otherwise we would have nothing but the lunatic left represented in the news media. ;)

    51. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Random sampling without replacement
      Random sampling with replacement
      Can't tell the difference? Congratulations, you should apply for a position at Apple.

    52. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I've not seen anyone forcing straight folk to enter into marriages homosexual folk"

      Have you seen people being forced in to 'acceptance'? Forced in to violating their religious beliefs? I have.

      To not sell donuts to someone because they are gay is discrimination. To not sell a wedding cake with two grooms on it is not as it violates their faith (they are, in effect, participating in something their religion has issue).

    53. Re:Biased by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I'm a white male. I am not allowed to tell a black woman that she's wrong.

      Allowed?

      Just recently I discovered a masterpiece of a video where I was told that even THINKING that I could possibly be right when disagreeing with said black woman is already a no-go.

      And I found a video where I was told the moon is a hologram. I did not immediately jump to, "THE MOON IS A HOLOGRAM!"

      You sound a little paranoid, friend. So let me set your mind at ease: You think whatever you want, OK? If an SJW comes up to you on the street and tells you that you are not allowed to think something, you tell them I said it was OK.

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    54. Re:Biased by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 1

      Fuck them both. Lock them in a room and hand them enough ammo to shoot each other.

      Whoever loses
      We win.

      You missed a step: brick up the door.

      If you open the door to resolve the schrodinger's cat paradox, one of several bad things can occur:
      1) both of them shoot you dead, having cottoned to the fact that you set them to kill each other.
      2) the survivor shoots you dead, ditto
      3) the police officer now standing behind you arrests you for murder or accomplice-to of one or both. .. why the police officer? Responding to the 'shots fired' call and/or the bullet whizzing through the wall of the room you forgot to bullet-proof before stuffing full of homicidal fanatics.

    55. Re:Biased by ripvlan · · Score: 1

      Bias? I feel they are biased in terms of "quality" of "what is news." My news feed always contains (to me -- stupid) Entertainment news "Celebrity caught walking their dog" or "Person paints house lime green" "Trump says Fox news anchor has two headed baby" Stuff that I wouldn't consider news. Tabloid "National Enquirer" stuff yes. But news...no.

      Is there a conservative version of The Enquirer?

    56. Re:Biased by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Which is why I don't use Facebook as a source of news. I only use it to keep in touch with people I know, and ignore the rest of whatever else it offers.

      Could someone please inform our lawmakers of this fact? Apparently they are under the illusion that they need to step in and mandate a neutral stance within a damn social media network in order to ensure that all parties are getting their fair share of shit slinging, which is the phase of the election we've now reached. Heaven forbid the shit slinging is slanted for the masses.

      I seriously cannot believe our lawmakers are involved in this. Makes me wonder how they would have attacked AOL when keywords were all the rage when searching for information online (yes, I'm speaking of a world before Google.)

    57. Re:Biased by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      Discrimination against gay customers is not minding your own fucking business, any more than discriminating against black customers would be.

      Fucking up the lives of female employees by refusing to let their health insurance cover contraception is not minding their own business. (and the fact that you even have a health insurance system where an employer has that kind of control over what kind of cover their employees get is all kinds of fucked up, anyway. fucked up beyond any possibility of fixing. You yanks are fucked in the head for allowing it to get started and even more fucked in the head for allowing it to continue)

      Imposing your religion on others is not minding your own fucking business. Using your economic power over other people to impose your religion on them is definitely not minding your own fucking business.

      Poisoning children with sugary drinks is not minding your own business. It's both profiting from and creating addiction (and obesity. and diabetes).

      I have no fucking idea what your 'cigar lounge' is a reference to, but it's hard to see how it could possibly have anything to do with left or right....unless it's that you're against it (or maybe for it), therefore it's the fault of those damn leftists. Because you're a fucking idiot.

      Minding your own business means not fucking discriminating against people because of their colour, race, religion (or lack thereof), sexual identity or sexual preference or any other irrelevant detail about them. These things are none of your fucking business.

      They are not any businesses' business, either. If they're offering a service to the public (such as baking a shitty fucking wedding cake) then they offer it to ALL the public, not "the public except those disgusting fags. and blacks. and asians. and women who wear too much lipstick. or not enough lipstick".

      Go fuck yourself, RobotArsewipe. You're a fucking disgrace - which is supremely fucking obvious from the right-wing fuckwit issues you chose to bring up as if they somehow supported your imitation of a point.

    58. Re:Biased by cas2000 · · Score: 0

      > I'm not really a friend of that false "left-right" dichotomy. "You're
      > left? So you're a commie!" No. For the same reason that someone
      > who's right leaning isn't a Fascist. [....]

      Translation:

      "I'm not a right-wing arsehole but I like to spout exactly the same kind of odious bullshit that only right-wing arseholes ever say."

    59. Re:Biased by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      What an angry and miserable l'il Internet Tough Guy you are! Lighten up, Francis, you'll give yourself a heart attack. And learn how to debate a point without swearing every third word, it makes you less credible.

    60. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen people being forced in to 'acceptance'? Forced in to violating their religious beliefs? I have.

      Where? Because AFAIK, no state or federal law passed forcing any church to marry anyone.

    61. Re:Biased by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2

      so it's possible, or even probable that extremes on both sides are being filtered but only the right are complaining?

    62. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Give it time. I was you a year ago.

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    63. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the interpretation, but I think the way I put it is closer to reality.

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    64. Re:Biased by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      which are religiously fanatic do-gooders. PC-bullshit spewing, safe-space needing special snowflakes that come up with solutions trying to find a problem.

      They aren't all religious. and those that are, are not all religious fanatics. But they are fanatic about "politically correct".

      However, "politically correct" is intrinsically "politically incorrect".

      Don't know what the current "proper" terminology, but several years ago, a friend of mine said "How is 'vertically challenged' less insulting than 'short'? I'm short and damn proud of it."

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    65. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, all I can say is that you're absolutely seeing the issues correctly... But what we need today are thinkers who can articulate their points well in public, evangelists of a by-gone era. You're a clear-headed rationalist, a rare creature indeed... start a blog i'd read it.

      Also, Christians (and I'm one of 'em) don't believe that temptation (thinking about sin) is actually a sin. For instance Jesus was tempted in the desert for 40 days, yet he died a sinless man.

    66. Re:Biased by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Give it time. I was you a year ago.

      So you're saying the moon IS a hologram?

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    67. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seen plenty of trans people saying that not having sex with trans people is transphobia. Lots of black and white people who hate on you if you have an so who is another race. Lots of political lesbians who say that all heterosexual sex is rape.

      The extreme of the left and the right love to police sexuality.

    68. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation: I have not yet developed enough self awareness to determine that I am not always right.

    69. Re:Biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. They will remain they're bigoted old self, they will just hide is better

    70. Re:Biased by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm a white male leftist. I must have missed the memo on this one.

      There are circumstances in which I'd be very reluctant to disagree with a black woman: when she's describing life as a black, a woman, or a black woman, or more generally when she's talking about something that she knows a lot about and I don't. Unfortunately, it would appear that some white males like to tell black females what their lives are like, and that may be where the idea got started.

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    71. Re:Biased by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The wedding cake issue appears to have started badly and escalated from there. The findings of fact in the judgment described what appears to be extreme rudeness from the bakers, including publicizing the affair on Facebook, causing the lesbians further difficulties.

      My take on this: if you're running a business, serve the public and obey the rules. If you have problems with that, reconsider starting a business.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    72. Re:Biased by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      So, in sum: If people don't agree with YOU then they are prejudiced and hateful and you've got a huge problem with that.
      Perhaps you wrote in haste but you come off as being what the parent was speaking about.

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    73. Re:Biased by drainbramage · · Score: 2

      Wait a minute!
      This implies you found a white female that you could tell her when she's wrong, I have a hard time believing you sir.
      As any woman this: If a man speaks in the woods and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong?

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    74. Re:Biased by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, "wanting" is a sin. Very incompatible with capitalism, where the whole "keeping up with the Joneses" is pretty much one of the big drives behind it, but "coveting" is the big nono in two of the 10 imperative rules given by the big boss himself.

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    75. Re:Biased by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      this is not anger. this is appropriate use of correct english language for emphasis. this is contempt for a worthless specimen, allegedly of humanity.

      and no, what makes you less credible is bringing up fuckwitted right-wing talking points as if they are in any way sane, rational, or reasonable. they mark you out as a cretin.

      again, go fuck yourself you miserable cunt.

    76. Re: Biased by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      You're a fundamentally stupid person. The conservative position is that privately funded news outlets are ALLOWED to be biased, but it's OK for people to point out that a specific source is biased, and so everyone should take that source with a grain of salt.

      Facebook is saying, in essence, "We used to be biased, but we made changes and so should be taken with fewer grains of salt.

    77. Re:Biased by khallow · · Score: 1

      Sussman didn't understand that the program would start with some biases even if wired at random. Minsky had to point out that the system "has them, it's just that you don't know what they are". There might be good reasons to start training from a random position, but Sussman was doing it for the wrong ones.

      Bias is not a bit flag you set. There's good reason to expect that such randomness would lower the biases inserted by the programmer. Meanwhile there is no expectation that closing one's eyes will lower the number of people in a room.

      And going back to the original story. One way to find and study the biases that you don't know are there is to remove or alter the biases that you do know are there.

    78. Re:Biased by khallow · · Score: 1

      Whoosh. You didn't get my point. The earlier poster responded to a post about "the left and the right" forcing people to follow "their rules" by babbling about marriage as if those were the only rules in the world. An obvious example of what this narrow viewpoint misses are multi-cultural rules against discrimination for a staggering variety of ethnicities, behaviors, and other classifications (but notably excluding competing belief systems).

  2. Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    impartiality long ago with their support of Hillary and the entire "security inquiry" BS.

    1. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. All they do is lie about Hillary. They hate her. Why do you think they give so much free advertising to tRump?

    2. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN admitted that they and the other mass media have given Trump over $2 billion in free advertising this year. That is over the legal limit. Trump needs to go to prison for that.

    3. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is part of the establishment.

    4. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all those ads and they never mention how he wants to bring prohibition back.

    5. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last week he called Volstead a swell guy.

  3. Fuck Facebook - there's more important shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell with Facebook, seriously. There's more important shit going on.

    Thepiratebay.se is down! It redirects to a useless thepiratebay.org CloudFlare backup. Of course nothing I try to search for is available that way, so why the fuck CloudFlare wastes their time and bandwidth to show me that page is among the mysteries of life. It doesn't matter what proxy in what country I use - that's evaded this bullshit in the past but isn't cutting the mustard now.

    If I had my druthers, Facebook would be down and out and Thepiratebay.se would be working and the whole world would be better for it. Wtf happened to the "most resilient torrent site" this time?? Why is there no news about it?

    1. Re:Fuck Facebook - there's more important shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. CNN? Are you kidding? by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    CNN is all about making money. I thought they were going to rid themselves of socialist bias.

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    1. Re:CNN? Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN socialist bias? where ?

    2. Re:CNN? Are you kidding? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      They had one until MSNBC took that demographic from them. Now CNN is stuck trying to play middle-of-the-road while still actually being run by lefties.

      The lefties that run CNN arent socialists, but they really like the socialist narrative.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    3. Re:CNN? Are you kidding? by Falconhell · · Score: 0

      Lol, no American media is left of centre, you have right, hard right and far right nutjob, you guys live in such a reality distortion field

    4. Re:CNN? Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say socialist, but definitely pro-Democrat anti-Republican. They're more subtle about it than outlets like USAToday or NPR, but the bias is real. Pay attention to the pictures of the candidates they use; you'll see soft lighted, flattering pictures of a smiling Hillary, and harsh lighted pictures of a frowning Trump. NPR uses the reporter's tone of voice; smooth and animated when describing or quoting a Democrat, snarky and short for Republicans.

    5. Re:CNN? Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay attention to...

      I had a class on this in high school (media) in the early 80's. It was very informative and interesting all the ways to influence and manipulate people. I gave up listening/watching most "news" not long after that.

      It's not something that I spend much time thinking about, but do remember a couple of tricks to look out for and instinctively look for those first. I wish I'd kept the book

    6. Re:CNN? Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Oh dear me look.... there's a news source that doesn't regurgitate and parrot the right-wing nutjob bullshit narrative. They MUST be in it for the lefties!!!"

  5. Well then... by ruiner5000 · · Score: 1

    All your bias belong to us!

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  6. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Fragnet · · Score: 1

    How absurd.

  7. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by EzInKy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's probably what the Jews said when Hitler was campaigning on making Germany great again.

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  8. Yes, embrace their bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook should just embrace its political bias, instead of hiding it.

  9. A Welcome Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I look forward to not seeing any differences on my nonexistent Facebook feed.

  10. FB as news source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... Which is why I don't use Facebook as a source of news ...

    The person who depends on FB as his source of news should depend on a coffee machine as his source of vitamins

    1. Re:FB as news source by cas2000 · · Score: 2

      I use facebook as a source of news about friends. And, of course, a valuable source of occasional cat pics without going to the trouble of actually visiting a cat pic site.

      and what's so wrong with vitamin C anyway?

      ps: I use userscripts to make FB less annoying, including setting `display: none` on Suggestions and other spam, "Trending" bullshit, etc. I also use a separate browser (midori) for FB and only FB so that my other browsers don't have to run FB spyware scripts and web-bugs.

    2. Re:FB as news source by Feyshtey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately it seems an appreciable number of US youth do get their political information from FB, Twitter and other such apps. They get a snarky 200-ish character post about an important issue and act as if they are actually informed. What's worse, they act on it with passion, and charge off to the voting booth or a protest or a boycott.

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    3. Re:FB as news source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately it seems an appreciable number of US youth do get their political information from FB, Twitter and other such apps. They get a snarky 200-ish character post about an important issue and act as if they are actually informed. What's worse, they act on it with passion, and charge off to the voting booth or a protest or a boycott.

      As opposed to the old folks who get their political information from sound bites on Faux News

    4. Re:FB as news source by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      There are those, certainly. But there are still a few people who actually read. Who research. Who examine the positions on all sides and try to determine the truth that lies somewhere in the middle for themselves rather than regurgitating something they were fed. It's those people who are looking around at all the front-running candidates right now and wondering what in the holy hell is going on.

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    5. Re:FB as news source by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Bias is much more about the choice of stories to harp on all day long, day after day, than it is accuracy of the facts.

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    6. Re:FB as news source by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      That was kinda my point. Relying on one source virtually guarantees you receive biased information, even from the most respectable and "unbiased" source.

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  11. We don't like your bias. Please use ours! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  12. Time to apply antitrust on FB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FB has become too big and too powerful, and their arrogance is increasingly as well

    Witness their reply

    ... We could not fully exclude the possibility of isolated improper actions or unintentional bias

    They can go "unintentional" all fucking day long and I still ain't gonna buy their motherfucking lie

    Those fuckers have become so blatantly arrogant it is time to break FB into seperate companies, like what the court did to Standard Oil

    1. Re:Time to apply antitrust on FB by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      then if we're applying that logic, all of the Media companies need to be broken up.

  13. Affirmative action for Conservatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://thehill.com/policy/technology/280548-glenn-beck-facebook-meeting-felt-like-the-salem-witch-trial

    “I looked around the room; I heard the complaints; I listened to the perspectives, and not a single person in the room shared evidence of any wrongdoing,” he said. “Maybe they had some, but it wasn’t shared.”

    1. Re:Affirmative action for Conservatives by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      People may want to hear what Glenn actually said on his radio show last Friday, and again for a little bit on Monday. It's really quite an interesting hour of radio; Glenn was slamming other "conservatives" at the meeting for suggesting affirmative-action-like policies, was very impressed with Mr. Zuckerberg's goals, and was in 100% full support of Facebook being allowed to do whatever it wanted - it is, after all, a private company.

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  14. We actually had something like that by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For our public broadcasting network. The two major parties of the country pretty much hijacked it and held it occupied. And it had to be "unbiased". Which of course didn't mean that it can report whatever it wants, it meant that it had to report about the two parties equally. If there was a story about party A, they had to include one about party B. Even if there was nothing going on at party B at that moment. Which led to quite ridiculous headline news reports about some unknown party A backbencher visiting a retirement home or something, because something noteworthy actually happened with party B.

    And of course this "unbiased" reporting didn't mean that you had to hear at all from any other parties...

    We eventually found out that this kind of reporting is ridiculous. Hope you come to that conclusion soon, too.

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    1. Re:We actually had something like that by tomhath · · Score: 1

      NPR has always been controlled by the Democrats. It was set up by Congress and Lyndon Johnson back in the 1960's to deliver their message; management and editors name their own replacements to ensure the legacy continues.

      The dust-up a few years ago wasn't about equal time, it was about very biased opinion pieces by people like Bill Moyers and Daniel Shore.

    2. Re:We actually had something like that by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm glad they don't get to set the laws 'round over here. Not that our politicians are great, but frankly, your system sucks even worse.

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    3. Re:We actually had something like that by tom229 · · Score: 1

      Reporting unbiased news is remarkably different than providing equal air time for two arguing political parties. A public broadcasting network should know this better than anyone, or they've really lost their way.

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  15. Like always... by Cantankerous+Cur · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

    1. Re:Like always... by tom229 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow. The level of arrogance in that statement is astounding.

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    2. Re:Like always... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

      Pithy but annoyingly smug. And a half-truth.

    3. Re:Like always... by pecosdave · · Score: 0

      It's true.

      It's just that reality has a liberal bias of the proper meaning, not "liberal" in the modern meaning.

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    4. Re:Like always... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      "Wow. The level of accuracy in that statement is astounding."

      There...fixed that for you!

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  16. They just blatantly censored a critic by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lauren Southern got censored for posting critical posts on Facebook about censorship on Facebook. There are plenty of more troubling cases like content being deemed a violation of community standards and deleted.

    Of course it also doesn't help that Facebook is in the same industry as Twitter and Twitter doesn't even bother to hide their bias (ex: their new "council" is entirely SJW organizations, not even mainstream liberal; they've also been caught shadow banning people for political bias).

  17. An obligation to be unbiased? by Beeftopia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is quite amusing that Facebook is trying to pretend to be a source of unbiased news. I heard this story and thought, what kind of halfwit would expect even the pretense of unbiased news from Facebook? This sounds like a planted story where Facebook plants the expectation of being a neutral, unbiased source of news, and there's great rending of garments and theater when discovered this may not be the case.

    Facebook is a profit-making entity devoted to increasing the fortunes of its top executives and itself. This story is an attempt to create the expectation that Facebook is some kind of source of unbiased news. It certainly can be a news outlet, like any other media outlet, but to suggest it's unbiased is like suggesting Fox or MSNBC is unbiased or any other person or groups of person are unbiased in their reporting.

    However, pretending to be unbiased, and then reporting biased stories as unbiased gives one a tremendous amount of political power. Heck, simply being a source of information to people gives the disseminator a great deal of power.

    1. Re:An obligation to be unbiased? by swb · · Score: 1

      I think the real pressure is coming from major news organizations like the New York Times. Since this story has bubbled up, they've run multiple pieces largely critical of Facebook's business focus on one stop shopping for information and desire to be a news source.

      Clearly this boils down to a business vs. business struggle, but by planting the seed of doubt about Facebook's murky willingness to manipulate content, they undermine Facebook's credibility as a news source. And being taken seriously seems to be a major desire of Zuckerberg.

    2. Re:An obligation to be unbiased? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Is there even such a thing as unbiased news?

      Simple fact-checking becomes a bias if one political faction tends to lie more than the other.

      Even striving to be unbiased can itsself be a form of bias.

  18. Re:Dumbing it Down Makes it a Conservative Safe Sp by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Don't worry. It just means that your anti-vaxxer stories won't show up quite as often, or that 9/11 was an inside job and here's the proof type stuff won't show up so more.

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  19. From the charges... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    it seems they were holding Breitbart and Newsmax to the same standards as other news sources, namely to see a story in more than one news source before calling it trendworthy. Hard to fault that.

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    1. Re:From the charges... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      And thus publishers of conspiracy theories, hyperbole and general crankery feel unfairly treated because Facebook is suppressing their stories.

  20. Re:Dumbing it Down Makes it a Conservative Safe Sp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, you can continue to ignore the credible engineers who contradict the official story and the 'secret' pages in the official report.

  21. No by s.petry · · Score: 1

    You keep making that claim, other people are stating that "trending" should not be manipulated because Facebook has progressive biases. No, it's not the same thing and you are a moron if you keep repeating it.

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  22. What? by s.petry · · Score: 2

    Fox is not pro-right, and has never been pro-right. They are anti-right as opposed to most other media being pro-left. Fox does not promote liberty, or the 2nd amendment, or fiscal responsibility, or limited Government, or right leaning candidates like Rand or Ron Paul (two easy examples). They were talking about Trump for ratings/money and because he is not from the right.

    There is no longer a right leaning media, and has not been since the early 90s when all major outlets were monopolized and canned their journalists. Today all outlets use the AP as their source and hire teleprompter readers instead of journalists.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:What? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Using your definition of "right", there hasn't been a major party on the right since 1980.

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    2. Re:What? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      That is correct in a general sense, but I'd say that the actual loss of the right was in the 60s. Kennedy was "right" and you see where that landed, his VP was left as soon as he swore in. Ross Perot was right, but he lost the primary due to several criminal actions by the Bush Campaign. Ron Paul was right, but he similarly lost the primary due to various activities by both the Media and Republican party.

      Controlled opposition is not some new idea, it's been out there for centuries.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  23. Branding labels...and relative reality. by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Branding things as liberal and conservative is a big game in itself because of the identity psychology involved; where people who believe themselves to be a member/consumer of the brand will actually bend themselves into all sorts of hypocrisies in order to maintain their belief.

    Everybody wants to believe their brand is the righteous one; their tribe is number 1! It sure is a lot easier than betraying your tribe and switching....especially when there is no tribe and evolved background behavior pattern is not so obvious.

    For example, global warming is an issue that was purposely and successfully marketed as an identity issue; forcing conservatives to flip flop from sane positions or be forced to have to question their identity. The best example of this comes from Australia, where a fossil fuel industry campaign admitted to modeling what was done in the USA with great success. Their example is powerful because of the massive turn around they caused on a pretty well established position in a nation seeing early consequences.

    1. Re:Branding labels...and relative reality. by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      You're certainly onto something, but there's another factor at work: at the grassroots level, the US political right is perhaps the least intelligent, most willfully-ignorant mass of humanity to exist in a First World nation. These are people who are truly committed to the idea that if they believe it, it must be so.

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  24. Why? by Fuzi719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    WTF is congress getting involved in what a PRIVATE company is doing? Are they going to investigate Fox News? Or Brietbart? Or Newsmax? So-called "conservatives" can be the most whiny bunch of children in the universe. They spend all their time dictating how people can go to the bathroom or what devices can be shoved up a woman's hoohaa, then whine that the big bad liberals aren't letting them speak.

  25. Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least that's what those who paid for advertising in Facebook are doing. Facebook promised them eyeballs, but then goes around and curtails those eyeballs, reneging on their end of the contract, thus making themselves liable to a lawsuit by shortchanged paying customers. The damage is done and the fix kind of doubles down on Facebook opening itself to legal remedies by advertisers.

    This, boys and girls, is yet another reason a businessman should keep his politics out of his business.

  26. Train the human editors? by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    Why is there any human intervention at all? If this is truly "trending" news then it should make the list solely based on a numbers based algorithm that looks at not only what the major news agencies are reporting but, more importantly, what is being discussed. Facebook keeps track of how many "likes" a story gets and how many Shares it gets and how many comments are posted to any given story.

    That should be what determines what is trending. Not some collection of editors. What exactly are they going to "train" these people to do? Train them to artificially promote conservative news stories to tamp down the current outcry? What happens when that goes too far and liberals start complaining about it? More training? Lather rinse repeat. Nothing more than window dressing. Is this supposed to be like the SCOTUS where you have x number of conservatives and x number of liberals and everything is supposed to balance out? How about just letting news stories "trend" on their own merits?

    1. Re:Train the human editors? by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that every time somebody tries this approach, public relations drones have it hacked in no time, and topics they're being paid to pump mysteriously rise to the top.

      Whether anybody wants to admit it or not, the best approach to judging what's actually trending includes some human component.

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  27. get rid of several top publications? by wistlo · · Score: 1

    " will also get rid of several top publications, including the New York Times and CNN"

    Great. The two organizations, flawed as they may be, that actually have reporters who work on location are the ones getting the boot? Who's left, Drudge, Red State, Michael Moore, Greenpeace?

    Thanks, Facebook, but I'll personally be trending toward birthday parties and friends' gigs. Oh, and the cats, the never-ending supply of cats.

  28. What's next? The Daily Show? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

    Look, anybody who uses FB as their primary source of news should be publicly ridiculed. It is an amalgamation, like Slashdot. A secondary source (at best) with public commentary. What is truly disappointing is how some *actual* news shows use FB trending topics as a source of their news. Which is almost as bad as virtual man-on-the-street segments where somebody from CNN or Fox News actually reads random twitter posts. Seriously? Is this what has become of our beloved first amendment right to free press? Now we have news shows trying to be social, and social networks trying to be news sources. What's next, people taking the Daily Show "reporters" at face value? Oh wait, they already do (I'm looking at you, HuffPo and the Blaze).

    1. Re:What's next? The Daily Show? by fbobraga · · Score: 1
      Look, anybody who uses FB as their primary source of news should be publicly ridiculed.

      Mom an Pop users (or, depending of their age, "Grandma and Grandpa") tend to be this kind of users: Facebook, to some of then, are "THE INTERNET" - and it's not few users: they can easily mas influence election results...

    2. Re:What's next? The Daily Show? by wistlo · · Score: 1

      I, um, actually do catch up on current events with The Daily Show (and the Nightly Show, too).

      I am under no illusion that these show are free of bias. They don't pretend to be, which is part of the appeal.

    3. Re:What's next? The Daily Show? by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      The Grandma and Grandpa users you seem to discount often have enough life experience to put what they read in context, and judge it accordingly.

      It's young know-it-all types who are most likely to get hosed in by biased coverage. They're especially vulnerable because they imagine their web-fu makes them immune to the PR and advertising tricks that fool them with such monotonous regularity.

      --
      I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  29. Re: Good. New York Times and CNN gave-up... by Fragnet · · Score: 1

    Read No One Left To Lie To by Christopher Hitchens. If you prefer the Clintons to Trump knock yourself out.

  30. Been admonished once; heard once is too often by tepples · · Score: 1

    Exactly how many times have *you* personally been admonished for using the wrong pronoun or the like.

    I have personally been admonished once that I can remember in the past year, for having used "tranny" when "trans" was appropriate. But I have read about situations in which being admonished once is enough to get fired.

    PC is essentially consideration. Sure, there are some people whose needs are so out there that I probably won't afford them the consideration they would like

    Perhaps some of the anti-PCers have seen the euphemism treadmill run long enough that they look at the history of "no, it's handicapped; no, it's disabled; no, it's physically challenged; no, it's differently abled; no, person first, it's person with a disability" and conclude that their "needs are so out there".

    1. Re:Been admonished once; heard once is too often by west · · Score: 1

      Perhaps some of the anti-PCers have seen the euphemism treadmill [rationalwiki.org] run long enough that they look at the history of "no, it's handicapped; no, it's disabled; no, it's physically challenged; no, it's differently abled; no, person first, it's person with a disability" and conclude that their "needs are so out there".

      That would be my point. Sure, there's somebody somewhere being upset, but I don't remember anybody appointing them spokesperson for the entire handicapped movement. Personally, I consider myself "PC-compatible" in that I don't use well-known derogatory terms and if there's somebody I deal with regularly, I'll use whatever term they happen to prefer. No surprise, I've rarely (never) been chastised.

      Again, to me, railing against PC as it's actually practiced in the real world because of the excesses of a few people is basically like railing against common courtesy because some self-appointed expert has decided that courtesy is defined as children *never* addressing an adult as a familiar by using their first name.

      But I have read about situations in which being admonished once is enough to get fired.

      It is *conceivable* that someone somewhere has gotten themselves fired for a non-PC term. But I'd bet *very* steep odds that *if* the story is true, there's a lot more behind it than that. If you're a public person, then perhaps a racial epithet will do it, but quite frankly, if you're using racial epithets often enough to do so accidentally, you've got bigger problems...

  31. Truth that lies in the middle by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    AKA the Argument to moderation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    FYI the truth doesn't always lie in the middle it is possible that one side is telling the whole truth and the other side has chosen a self-serving lie. Happens much more often than you would think. Be forewarned.

  32. Key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The key here is to simply be transparent about the automated chain, and somehow transparent with the editing biases. Every editor has a bias - I can forgive the bias as long as they are honest about it. The last piece is simply to stop suppressing stories that people try to share with each other. Yes, this happens on Facebook a LOT.

  33. Let me get this straight by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    Facebook, a non-governmental corporation, can't influence its trending items in a liberal fashion but it's OK for Fox News to continually spout the conservative company line.

    Just checking.

  34. Bragging rights by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Zuck must read slashdot, he pretty much took my advice:

    https://politics.slashdot.org/...

  35. It's a great day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a line in a news story reads, "going to train the human editors".