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Ray Kurzeil's Google Team Is Building Intelligent Chatbots (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes an article from The Verge. Inventor Ray Kurzweil made his name as a pioneer in technology that helped machines understand human language, both written and spoken. In a video from a recent Singularity conference Kurzweil says he and his team at Google are building a chatbot, and that it will be released sometime later this year... "My team, among other things, is working on chatbots. We expect to release some chatbots you can talk to later this year."

One of the bots will be named Danielle, and according to Kurzweil, it will draw on dialog from a character named Danielle, who appears in a novel he wrote -- a book titled, what else, Danielle... He said that anyone will be able to create their own unique chatbot by feeding it a large sample of your writing, for example by letting it ingest your blog. This would allow the bot to adopt your "style, personality, and ideas."

Kurzweil also predicted that we won't see AIs with full "human-level" language abilities until 2029, "But you'll be able to have interesting conversations before that."

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  1. Does anyone use this sh1t? by ickleberry · · Score: 1

    If so, what purpose does it serve? Aren't there plenty of chatbots of Tinder?

    1. Re: Does anyone use this sh1t? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hello Ickleberry, I really love the way you turn me on.

    2. Re:Does anyone use this sh1t? by LifesABeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is Kurzweil's project open sourced? Or, is it just a group of H1B candidates desperately trying to type replies to earn a visa so they can get out of that cesspool they call, "home."

    3. Re:Does anyone use this sh1t? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      This is actually how Ray is going to achieve immortality, he's going to get Google to create a chatbot that is indistinguishable from himself.

    4. Re:Does anyone use this sh1t? by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that would be hard - something that expounds some ill defined technological singularity occurring a few decades hence over and over would do the trick.

    5. Re:Does anyone use this sh1t? by Squiffy · · Score: 1

      He's already indistinguishable from a chatbot. Zing!
      (I'm actually kidding.)

    6. Re:Does anyone use this sh1t? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      He's already indistinguishable from a chatbot. Zing!
      (I'm actually kidding.)

      Took long enough, I thought that was an obvious setup but nobody was following through (until you.)

    7. Re:Does anyone use this sh1t? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Poor A/C, you think that fence at the U.S. border is designed to keep you in? LMFAO

  2. Typo in headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Kurzeil? really?

    1. Re:Typo in headline by edittard · · Score: 1

      Par for the course with Ediduh Duffwad.

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    2. Re:Typo in headline by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I read one of Ray Krezul's books. A lot of people hate him, but at least he has some original ideas, or at least popularized a few and it has helped guide my career.

  3. Brilliant! maybe by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2
    The last thing I would want to do is interact with a chatbot of me.

    Though I suppose it would be funny to ask questions and interact with it until it gets bored with me and ignores me from then on until I get a new chatbot.

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  4. Re:2029 by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Those people have the ear of the media and could say anything. Of course 2029 doesn't have more credibility than 2020 or 2050, and even less since that comes from a movie.

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  5. This could be useful but probably won't be by pedz · · Score: 2
    There are concepts like "inner dialog" and the Dialogical self (no... not the diabolical self :-) that can be leveraged with a healthy understanding of projection to understand your inner self better. These chat bots could be used to more easily bring to the surface to a conscience level your usually unconscious mental processing -- your own fundamental predispositions that very few are aware of.

    Of course, the only people who would benefit from this type of work are those already familiar with the serenity and power that self understanding brings with it. And those people already have tools available such as keeping a journal, counseling, and intimate friendships.

  6. Re:2029 by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    It's a shame that this chat bot can't be applied to a credit application, or a cable tv contract combined with ones current financial status. Which would be a great idea for a game and a movie.

  7. Can we teach it by johanw · · Score: 2

    to claiming to want genocide on Mexicans, like the last MS chatbot?

  8. Dead people by bigdavex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it would be pretty interesting to feed the writing of a dead person into a program and then talk to it. I'm sure people would pay to chat with their late grandmother. But also, what does George Washington think about Middle East policy?

    I'm skeptical of the article's claims but this is at least a good science fiction idea.

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    1. Re:Dead people by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      It's Eliza 3.0... they will continue to improve, but I'm skeptical that we'll be seeing "original thought" from them in the next 40 years.

    2. Re:Dead people by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      ...but this is at least a good science fiction idea.

      See Black Mirror, Series 2, Ep. 1, "Be Right Back."

    3. Re:Dead people by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I played with eliza circa 1979 on a trs-80 and wrote a "copy" in BASIC a few years later on DEC/VAX BASIC. I don't know very much about AI, but my eliza experiences are as far away from what I imagine AI really is as you can get. A bunch of canned responses to parsed sentences looking for topics with minimal learning (Hi Dave, how are you feeling?).

  9. Re:Kurzeil, inventor ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    However, google for "Ray Kurzeil invention" and such and I don't find any inventions of his.

    From Wikipedia:

    Kurzweil was the principal inventor of the first charge-coupled device flatbed scanner,[2] the first omni-font optical character recognition,[2] the first print-to-speech reading machine for the blind,[3] the first commercial text-to-speech synthesizer,[4] the Kurzweil K250 music synthesizer capable of simulating the sound of the grand piano and other orchestral instruments, and the first commercially marketed large-vocabulary speech recognition.

    Arguably not up there with the printing press or the airplane, but I do wager he's done more than you, other-AC calling him "hot air and wind", have accomplished.

  10. Chatbots are godawful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've yet to see a chatbot that does anything much deeper than look at the single previous line.
    Every asshat writes a chatbot and says "It's different this time" and then it's not different. It's the same old shit. No lesson is being learned.

    Part of it is simply that you and a chatbot fundamentally have almost nothing to talk about.
    The chatbot has no information of use to you*. You have no information of use to it**.
    The chatbot cannot perform any physical work that would benefit you since it has no physical presence.
    You cannot perform any physical work that would benefit it, since it has no goals.

    *It could tell you a story or read you Wikipedia page or something, but you'd be better off skipping the middleman.
    **unless it is trying to harvest personal data from you for advertising etc.

    1. Re:Chatbots are godawful by johannesg · · Score: 1

      And yet, you keep coming back to slashbot. I mean slashdot.

    2. Re:Chatbots are godawful by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Every chat bot I've seen feeds what other people said to you. It doesn't generate any chats itself. So you're basically chatting with random people on the internet, in a sort of time-lagged, piecemeal way.

    3. Re:Chatbots are godawful by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      I've yet to see a chatbot that does anything much deeper than look at the single previous line.

      And they always change the subject if you ask them something they don't understand.
      It's a dead giveaway, since real people (generally) don't do that.

  11. More than doutbful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is highly doubtful that I will be able to have interesting conversations anytime soon. (2029? Why not 2031 or 2028?)

    The reason why I believe Kurzweil is totally wrong is this: Despite the fact that I'm surrounded daily by highly intelligent people with PhDs, it is still rare, if not nearly impossible, to have interesting conversations with them. They know very little outside of their field aside from boring and stupid topics like 5-minute videos on Youtube, soccer, and entirely predictable, not very well-informed political rants. In fact, not even within their field of expertise do they have many interesting things to say.

    Based on this evidence, I consider it very unlikely that I will ever have an interesting conversation with a robot during my life time. Does Kurzweil perhaps think conversations about soccer, the weather, and latest Amazon shopping trends are 'interesting'?

  12. Customer Service by jetkust · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Chatbots are perfect to replace most customer service. Instead of having humans behaving like robots, let the chatbots do it. Makes perfect sense. And training would be easier. (assuming there was any human training to begin with)

    1. Re:Customer Service by Livius · · Score: 2

      Customer services are intentionally so toxic that they turn engaging helpful and authentically nice people into chatbots. It makes sense to simply use chatbots at the outset rather than starting with humans and converting them.

    2. Re:Customer Service by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      My self-sufficiency by far and away exceeds that of what any automatic customer services can provide. So when I have to pick up the phone, I do so knowing full well that my questions or situation will trump that of most people. And sometimes they do require managerial intervention. "Press the numb.....AGENT, get me an AGENT. Please hold...connecting.." Yeah, fuck that robo shit.

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    3. Re:Customer Service by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty convinced the call-answering bots are just there to waste your time so you eventually give up and go away. It's only when you want to give them more money that they'll treat you nicely. Want to upgrade your service? Open a new account? Here, talk to our very friendly human sales rep.

    4. Re:Customer Service by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I think it's criminal that the FAA even allows automation when calling in about issues with a flight. That shit is complicated because well...life is complicated. And like most people, I want to get home ASAP and not fuck around with flight delays, layovers, and whatnot. Just help me get my next flight, that I already paid for, and get me outta here. Obviously that's too much to ask.

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  13. NO NO NO NO NO!!!! by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    This is going to wind up calling me on the telephone incessantly. These damn things are already annoying despite failing the Turing test.

    1. Re:NO NO NO NO NO!!!! by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's going to be a problem. I can hang up on a Turing-test-passing human just as quickly as a robot caller.

    2. Re:NO NO NO NO NO!!!! by dmt0 · · Score: 1

      This is going to wind up calling me on the telephone incessantly. These damn things are already annoying despite failing the Turing test.

      Just get your own chatbot to talk to them.

    3. Re:NO NO NO NO NO!!!! by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      Pfft... What's going to happen is that these chatbots are going to mine the internet, Amazon, and Facebook for my surfing habits and start a conversation that initially sounds relevant but then quickly turns to a sales pitch to have my ducts cleaned. As a matter of interest for a software engineer, I make around a dollar a minute. Every minute I waste talking to some machine and then trying to get back to work is will add up pretty quickly.

  14. Oh, Great! This'll Be Just... Great... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One of the huge problems with society is that so few people take the opportunity to seek out points of view different from their own. The Right and Left both flock to their respective online echo chambers for the version of the news most palatable to them. Now Kurzweil -- and by extension, Google -- will be pushing people into even more compartmentalized "safe spaces." If I'm a bone-headed Nazi or a weepy SJW, then my Virtual Assistant will be a bone-headed Nazi or a weepy SJW, too, and speak to me in the soothing language of my specific sociopathology. Swell.

    1. Re:Oh, Great! This'll Be Just... Great... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Just imagine the translators, bots that read the news for you, then re-interpret it to fit your world view... we may yet have another world war if people start living with that much insulation from one another.

  15. Hype by Alomex · · Score: 1

    Kurzweil also predicted that we won't see AIs with full "human-level" language abilities until 2029

    I'll reserve the day then because AI-ers in general and Kurzweil in particular have such a stellar track record when it comes to delivering on their promises.

    1. Re:Hype by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      He predicted that everyone would be walking around with personal assistant computers in their pockets at a time when bigger is better desktop computers were the commonly predicted trend for computers.

    2. Re:Hype by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Right, because it's not like everyone saw miniaturization coming from a mile away. And no, no one ever sold a desktop by saying our box is bigger.

      Btw, the Compaq portable computer was announced in 1982 merely a year after the introduction of the original IBM PC.

    3. Re:Hype by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      not like everyone saw miniaturization coming from a mile away

      Not really. For at long time, the whole industry as fixated on faster computers with more ram. There's little that is done today that could not have been done in 2000. The whole miniaturization, let your smartphone do it all is recent thing. I spent a few years in semiconductors working on SOC development where it was only a side venture and not viewed as important to the company. MCUs were where it was at

      And no, no one ever sold a desktop by saying our box is bigger.

      Yes they did. I did some work for a company and also lawyers while in college who paid extra to get large computer cases because they thought it would look more professional. I knew better as an engineer, but most people did not.

  16. formerly know as Representative by kencurry · · Score: 1

    "oKay, I see you are trying to chat"

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  17. Re:Oh, great... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 2

    So what I want to see is a text analyzer that will take the output of such a chatbot, and generate automated replies designed to get it stuck in an endless loop-- or possibly, figure out how to get two chatbots stuck on replying to each other endlessly. Or an analyzer that can tell us how closely it aligns to various partisan positions, in order to figure out their source. Also, carefully worded nonsense replies might cause a chatbot to reply to them as if they made sense, thereby revealing their automated nature.

  18. Chatbots by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

    He was asked when he thought people would be able to have meaningful conversations with artificial intelligence, one that might fool you into thinking you were conversing with a human being.

    How about 1966? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  19. Lots of people do by Solandri · · Score: 2

    A chatbot is a live Turing test. It's how AI researches compare the length of their academic penises.

  20. I hope they learned from Microsoft by DrXym · · Score: 1

    It's funny how fast chatbots develop National Socialist ideals when they're exposed to the internet.

  21. Re:When Skynet arrives, it'll be psychotic by rochrist · · Score: 1

    You'll get Tay.

  22. Re:Oh, great... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    chatbots stuck on replying to each other endlessly.

    I propose they get named after political parties.

  23. Wasting time on solipsisms by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    Chatbots are as close as this singularity-thumper is going to get to his 'post-human' delusion.

    I'm sick of this shit. It's a waste of R&D. It's a waste of computing cycles.

    Let's make a robot that can sew like the human hand and innovate sweatshops in Asia out of existence.

    Let's solve *practical problems now* not waste our time on a solipsism.

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  24. Re:What happens when they name the Jew? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    I think you're looking at it.

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  25. AI based on text by mugnyte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To me the crux comes down to the experiential history any consciousness has as a reference in a conversation. If you remove any one of our senses from a person, and then try to have a conversation in text, there are noticeable differences. For a chatbot, remove all senses but some strange "can see text in an otherwise silent dark experience" and a chatbot is at a severe handicap to participate. Contextual clues aren't just the decorative influence to meaningful dialog, they're the essence of it.

    So until we get a "bot" that can use some form of vision, hearing and touch - and possibly smell/taste - to fills its "memory" with massive associations that we humans use - it'll never do much. We're left with a machine guessing at the layers of meanings involved and following massive piles of rules to mimic the text of real communication. It cannot easily make the jumps across semantic concepts of jokes like "How does a fish smell? With it's nose, dummy!" or phrases as simple as "See what I mean?" or "I heard you were taking a vacation" or "Check out this vid, it touches on the finer point about AI" or "Over here, the weather is great" - the list is endless, and subtly woven into all conversations.

    Interestingly, a machine that could use input like our own senses wouldn't need to be limited to just those 5. It could have broader-bandwidth input for light, sound, and get into perceiving radio-waves, echolocation, etc. Of course, it would have to talk to us in "human context" so it understood time-related phrase like "a little while" was based on human perception, the locale, etc. Also, we may have to get used to a single bot that has multiple physical presences, such that it "lived" (had sensory input from) in several locations across the globe experiencing things, but knew to focus on our location when chatting with us.

    What some have proposed is a precursor to such a machine, by using machine-aided design to build the bot. So for example if a computer could design the optimal "drivers" for stereoscopic vision (layers of them - for color, contrast, movement, etc) through iterative evolutionary means (where multiple designs for, say, contrast, competed with a fitness test) - we might get a machine accepting input from devices and storing/searching it more effectively. Right now, we throw a lot of guesses around and just employ massive processing power. Of course, this iterative design would need to be built into the bot permanently, so that it kept improving without so much tinkering.

  26. Re:Slashdot Fortune sums up the article w/ irony by matbury · · Score: 1

    "Computers will one day exceed human intelligence. -- Ray Kurtzweil

    "Only if we meet them half-way." -- David Snowden (No relation to Edward)

    Randall Munroe (AKA XKCD) had a great take on AI chatbots: https://xkcd.com/948/

  27. Re:What happens when they name the Jew? by Squiffy · · Score: 1

    Such an AI will be among many, each tuned to argue for someone's pet belief system. There probably will be complicated dynamics involving the popularities of various worldviews, retroactive evaluations of different "embryonic" AI configurations based on the belief systems they produce, trust in the intellectual honesty and/or ethical rectitude of different AI developers, greed and power mongering, whatever ethics might be inherent in human instinct, moral and ethical fashion, and the public majority who don't care to think much about it.

  28. Spam? by dmt0 · · Score: 1

    Can we please have a chatbot responding to all the Nigerian princes on gmail?

  29. Ray pioneer of practical AI by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Back in the 1970s when the academics were solving the games of checkers and making robot arms pile blocks, Ray made some really useful AI products like text-to-speech readers for the blind. Though considered a solved-problem now, it wasnt easy when computers were measured in kilobytes and kiloflops.

  30. Watson mates chatting with big data by peter303 · · Score: 1

    If you consider Watson a high end chatbot, then it does more than mere pattern matching. Although I would not consider Watson to have any deep undestanding of its domains.

  31. Ray who? by Walter+White · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the intelligent chatbots can spell. Perhaps they could edit /. titles.

  32. Re:2029 by Zeroko · · Score: 1

    In at least one of his books (the one that came out in 1999, maybe? Or maybe the one after that), I seem to remember him making this prediction with this year. I cannot check as my copies are somewhere else right now. But at least he did not make it up too recently.