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Stephen Hawking Calls Trump A 'Demagogue' Who Appeals 'To The Lowest Common Denominator' (go.com)

An anonymous reader writes: British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking told ITV's morning show that Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican Party candidate for U.S. president, "is a demagogue who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator." He said, "Gone are the days we could stand on our own against the world. We need to be part of a larger group of nations, both for our security and our trade." ABC News writes, "Stephen Hawking understands the workings of the universe -- but says he cannot fathom the popularity of Donald Trump. He went on to say that British voters should keep the United Kingdom in the European Union in a June 23 referendum, saying the EU provides essential support for British scientific research as well as its economy and security.

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  1. So? by ITRambo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't understand why Hawking's opinions about anything outside of physics is given publicity. Although one of the most brilliant minds of our time, in his field, he's not a politician nor a businessman.

    1. Re:So? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No but perhaps he has a brain

    2. Re:So? by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't understand why Hawking's opinions about anything outside of physics is given publicity. Although one of the most brilliant minds of our time, in his field, he's not a politician nor a businessman.

      One could say something similar about Trump.

      Except for the "brilliant mind" part of course.

      Trump is a businessman/reality TV star who won a Presidential primary on the basis of ignorant ideas, insults, and conspiracy theories.

      Why can't someone who's achieved celebrity through a combination of brilliance and science communication then speak up in response?

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    3. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Trump supporters don't think he'll be a good president, they feel he'll be a good president. It's like trying to argue with a religious zealot. They're not listening to facts or arguments, they hear what they want and just blame ' liberal pc feminists' when he says something stupid.

    4. Re:So? by sribe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You could probably have done those things.

      Well, I could have made his billions for sure. I would have taken his inheritance, and put it into an index fund.

    5. Re:So? by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > One could say something similar about Trump.

      Well, one of them is the Republican nominee now.

      Though as I mentioned in the very next line he got to be the nominee by relying on his authority as a businessman and a media personality. There's no reason to consider Trump a credible candidate while not consider Hawking qualified to comment on it.

      > Except for the "brilliant mind" part of course.

      He made billions and defeated the entire Republican establishment. But, I'm sure he's a dummy. You could probably have done those things. I guess you're just not almost 70 yet, you'll probably have the world in your hand by then, right?

      I'm sure he's pretty good in his domain of real estate, but it also helps to start out with a ton of money, family connections, and a bit of luck too. His biggest legitimate success seems to be in personal branding. Don't assume business is a strict meritocracy.

      There's also a lot of speculation that his net worth is a lot less than he lets on, possibly on the order of $250 million or so. That's the most popular theory for why he won't release his tax returns.

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    6. Re:So? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Appeals to the lowest common denominator - isn't that how you win elections? It's like a self-selecting process, we're literally begging for candidates who appeal to the masses.

    7. Re:So? by Deadstick · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And I might say the same thing about pontifications on foreign policy coming from a real-estate developer.

    8. Re:So? by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If in the future Stephen Hawking has his science proven wrong is he then considered ignorant? Isaac Newton was proven wrong, he was ignorant. Did anyone prove Trump wrong? Or is it just opinion that doesn't have scientific merit?

      If you think Newton was ignorant you have a bad definition of ignorant.

      Ignorance is defined by your beliefs in relation to your society, both Hawking and Newton are far from ignorant by that definition.

      Trump makes factually incorrect statements at a ridiculous rate. That is a verifiable fact.

      I think a scientist would be well justified in calling his ideas and statements ignorant.

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    9. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe they just think he'll be better than the other lizards. That's a fairly low bar.

    10. Re: So? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everybody who has a pet cause behaves that way. For example, if I defend GMO technology, people come out of the woodwork (usually left leaning) with irrational and baseless shit ranging from "it causes cancer" to assume irrelevant gibberish about Monsanto. The more I call them out on their stupidity, the more steadfast in their stupidity that they become.

    11. Re: So? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then they are morons. This if the freaking President of the United States needs to be somewhat competent and not a freaking Joe Six pack! I assume most sane intelligent people or semi intelligent people realize oh gee we need some smarter than me who has the integrity and prestige who is high caliber to handle the job and make correct executions of decisions on difficult choices.

      Trump talks shit out of his ass and almost everything he says is WRONG. He is a coward who mocks disabled reporters and can not handle a female reporter. Jesus! How can he handle a confrontation with Russia or China? Cry it is unfair? Insult their wives?\

      Americans like to look at politics like football. Vote for the team and hate the opposite party. Well, this is not freaking football and I do not care if Trump supports 100% of my beliefs or not. He is not qualified and is the most unpresidential candidate in history who is outright dangerous with his positions of ending free trade, putting up walls, regulating markets, and insulting leaders.

      Yes my post is going to be modded WAY DOWN, and hopefully WAY UP too. But, this is very important and yes read what Hawkings said? Hawkings addressed trade (which will cause a worse recession than 2008 in which Walmart could go out of business with a trade war), security, and other issues. Yes, he has a brain and I wish people would use their's

    12. Re: So? by scamper_22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is absolutely true.

      Progressive:
      Why are people voting for Trump? They must be uneducated, racist, idiots!

      Yep, that's going to have them voting progressive!

      Not to mention that modern politics completely ignores huge swaths of the population. When they voice their concerns, they are simply dismissed. It is why Bernie Sanders and Trump are even in the running.

      Dare to question free trade as you have lost your job!
      Modern politician: That's just free trade. A natural good thing.

      Dare to worry about immigration (jobs, services, community).
      Modern politician: You must be a racist!

      People aren't voting for Trump because they are amazed at his policies. They're voting for Trump because he's the only one (aside from Bernie) actually speaking about issues people want addressed instead of dismissing their concerns.

      If progressives/liberals actually began addressing the concerns of people. In the stereotyped Trump supporter case, poor white people, they might get somewhere. Instead probably the only message poor white people hear from the left is... you have white privilege.

    13. Re:So? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Especially since he explicitly says he cannot fathom why Trump is popular. He has no working theory for something he knows is true. Fine, but he just said he's not qualified to have an informative opinion, so that should be that.

      The long and the short of it is that Trump is that guy who's always angry. He loves to "fire" people. There are lots of Americans who are angry and who want to "fire" the bums currently in office.

      There's probably no reason to think more deeply about Trump supporters.

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    14. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the key.

      Hillary is a known warhawk and the example of Rich White Washington Corruption. She changes her opinion based on poll numbers and is frighteningly anti-2nd amendment. (Add 40 years of examples here)

      Bern is a socialist who's going to give FREE EVERYTHING! from a country 20 trillion in debt. Both support RacistLivesMatter and other SJW bullshit.

      The "other lizards" are dangerously bad. Trump at least is America First and knows enough about business deals to stop with the shitty stuff (NAFTA, TPP, Iran, Cuba, etc).

      With Trump, you are playing Russian Roulette with one bullet in the chamber... with Democrats, you are playing with 6 rounds in the chamber and the Democrat gets the gun first.

    15. Re: So? by chipschap · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the only message poor white people hear from the left is... you have white privilege.

      I grew up as a poor white kid. The only privilege I had was what I worked for.

      Sure, now tell me I had privilege but I just didn't know it ... you're right (about not knowing it). I saw no evidence of it in any part of my life.

    16. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trump is not a politician. He's a billionaire who's managed to fleece his business partners through bankruptcies and will not be the saviour of the middle class, the lower class, nor the white "nationalists" that people want him to be. He's going to be just as bad as any other billionaire with political power. But, hey, the US has got to collapse in upon itself at some point, why not now?

    17. Re: So? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So the solution is, of course, to keep our borders open and actually refuse to deport people that came here illegally? You're seriously arguing that because so many people are here illegally, we shouldn't do anything for fear that they'll burn our cities to the ground? And people wonder why Trump's message is resonating? Because I'd imagine a lot of workers in blue-collar jobs that have been eliminated or depressed because of the glut of easily available illegal labor are thinking we have a pretty shitty policy, and they see no end of it from anyone else.

      I mean, consider how much whining we hear on Slashdot about H1B workers. That's the white-collar equivalent. We never cared before, because it's awesome to have cheap lawn care and housekeeping, right? But as soon as low-paid foreign workers start threatening OUR jobs through some shady deals, we're all up in arms. Why, it's outrageous that foreign workers are replacing qualified native IT folks! Welcome to the club, tech industry.

      Oddly enough, Trump is the only front-runner clearly and vehemently opposed to the current H1B abuse that's going on right now. Hillary has previously flip-flopped on the issue (2007 was for more H1B visas, then later said outsourcing was a concern), and hasn't mentioned it at all recently, at least that I can tell. Bernie, bizarrely, agrees with Trump on this issue, but doesn't have a real shot at the nomination, which is a shame, as that would make a much more interesting race, IMO.

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    18. Re:So? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Isaac Newton was proven wrong, he was ignorant. Did anyone prove Trump wrong? Or is it just opinion that doesn't have scientific merit?

      If you think Newton was ignorant you have a bad definition of ignorant.

      Also, well, there's the well-known discussion about the relativity of wrong by Asimov.

      If you (or GP) hasn't read it, it's worth it -- but basically, it would be more accurate to say that Newton's theory was "incomplete" given what he knew and had observed at the time. Nobody else in his era had better data, so he couldn't be called "ignorant" and really not even "wrong" in some sense. (That's why we still teach his physics to students -- it's really not absolutely "wrong," just an approximate understanding that's incomplete in special circumstances that most people don't encounter every day.)

      Trump, on the other hand, utters known factual errors on a daily basis... and actually doesn't seem to care. When someone calls him on it, his reaction is usually either to deny he's wrong (with no evidence) or to act like a bully and insult the person who called him out. Either way, he epitomizes ignorance.

    19. Re: So? by brantondaveperson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're seriously arguing that because so many people are here illegally, we shouldn't do anything for fear that they'll burn our cities to the ground?

      Well, I'm even more extreme than that. I have this crazy idea that we're all citizens of Earth, and all policies that suggest which patch of dirt you're allowed to stand on, and for how long, are fundamentally evil and racist. However, I'm not going to bother arguing that with you. I'm aware that it's a minority view, and not very practical in today's world. Nevertheless; Many of the people you're talking about deporting so easily, are working people with families living in homes. So what's going to happen? They're just going to leave because you said so? And then, when they get back 'home', they're going to build a wall? Let me know how that works out, should Trump the insane get in. Except, of course, you'll not have to let anyone know, because we'll be watching the violence, carnage, bloodshed and misery unfold from across the world. And that's just one - ok, two - policies. What about the other ones? What about his crazy 'university'? His rampant anti-intellectualism? His hatred of women? Reproductive rights? It's madness, and it's sad, and it's frightening.

    20. Re: So? by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So is the pretentious psuedo-science sentiment where you're expected to swallow anything just because some "authority" blessed it. This article is that very same kind of nonsense. That kind of mentality is no less religious.

      The appeal of Trump is pretty obvious if you can get over your narcissism for one brief moment.

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    21. Re: So? by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't believe the Trump hysteria. You sound crazy when you blather like that. Even if Trump wins the election he wont operate in a vacuum. There is Congress and the Supreme Court that act as a check on the Executive Branch of the US government. He can prattle on about deporting 11 million illegal aliens all he wants but it'll never happen. It's the same if Hillary gets elected. She can foam at the mouth all she wants about guns but she's not going to be able to take them away. The founding fathers knew what they were doing and we'll survive whichever of the two idiots gets elected.

    22. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I'm even more extreme than that. I have this crazy idea that we're all citizens of Earth, and all policies that suggest which patch of dirt you're allowed to stand on, and for how long, are fundamentally evil and racist.

      I also have that view, on principle; However...

      We already have the world divided up into different patches of dirt, and I'm not so happy with the idea that I should be robbed by the government so they can pay other people to move here, like what is happening here in the Netherlands.

      You have to understand that we worked quite hard to make this patch of dirt nice, and I'm rather sceptical of the motivations of people who rather than working hard to make their patch of dirt nice, just get up and start walking towards someone elses patch of nice. Then when they get here, the government puts their hand in my pocket, takes some of what I have worked hard to EARN, and gives it to the people who have done nothing but walk a long way.

      It's not just dirt, afterall. It's centuries of blood, sweat and tears to build up our culture, towns, cities and system of laws and rights. People who just want to give this away to anyone who walks in, have no idea how much it is worth.

      You also clearly have a highly individualist mindset; a misapprehension that we are all born into this world alone and independent of our ancestry. This is not so. We may have the autonomy of movement that plants lack, but just like plants in an orchard, we are both individual organisms and part of a larger organism that is our lineage and culture. I was once a part of my mother, and she was once a part of her mother, and so on. Just as my mother and father built their house for me to grow up in, and one day inherit, so too did my ancestors build this country for me and my compatriots to be citizens.

      Sure, we may invite other people from time to time to be citizens, because they have something to offer. This is certainly not the same as people having a right to be citizens merely for being born on this planet. My ancestors did not build this country for the whole world, they built it for Dutch people. Germany's ancestors built Germany for German people. All people are not entitled to live everywhere, they didn't build it and it's not for them.

    23. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah well, back in reality land, there are fundamental differences that separate different groups of these people, and there is not enough resource to go around. Therefore, it's necessary to band together on like principles and defend our interests against those with competing/conflicting interests. All your system does is attract those who don't care about your feelings and who will NOT respect your continued existence, never mind long term QOL. Of course, this was a lesson you were supposed to learn in childhood the first time you were teased. Considering how western states are trying to 'sterilize' bullying rather than teaching good 'social hygiene' and instilling a healthy means and will to defend oneself, it's no surprise you didn't learn it.

      While I don't see how trump is going to force mexico to do anything, it is really up to mexicans to fix their own country. He doesn't hate women. He rips on socjus supremacist policy. Reproductive rights? When we're approaching 10billion? What happened to your globalism? Does it yield to white knight chivalry?

    24. Re: So? by johanw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The US have a recent example of what happens when too many foreigners invade a country. Go ask an Apache, Comanche or Sioux indian about what happens then.

  2. Worry about your own country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The UK has plenty of issues including the Brexit and the desire of Scotland to secede. Worry about your own country. Let Americans concern ourselves with the affairs of the US. And here's a hint: it's pretty damn unlikely we'll elect Trump as President.

  3. someguy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I see the current establishment keeps pulling out bigger and bigger guns to keep in power.

  4. Appealing to the emotions and prejudices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The definition of a demagogue is a leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace.

    I'm no fan of Trump, but doesn't that describe the political strategy of EVERY politician seeking/maintaining office?

    1. Re:Appealing to the emotions and prejudices? by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Better definition: a demagogue proposes premises he knows are false to people he knows are fools.

  5. Non-diverse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where does Stephen Hawking live? Where does he get his news? Do you trust a British Knight to be up-to-date with US politics? If so, why?
    How much time do you suppose he invests in looking into the dissenting opinions?
    How many people do you think he has around him that might debate the pros and cons of Trump's statements vs. Sanders or Clinton?

    Personally, I think this is true for most celebrities that have a legion of personal assistants and entourages surrounding them. I don't think ti's deliberate isolation, but I don't think they're exposed to both sides of most arguments, either. I've had too many 'friends' that *BRAGGED* about how their only/main source for news was The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

  6. He should get ready for President Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    He should be smart enough to realize that regardless of what he thinks, we're going to get President Trump this fall.

    President Trump is exactly the kind of president that the United States hasn't had in over half a century, but has very badly needed.

    President Trump doesn't mince words like other politicians do. He describes things as they are, and that's why so many Americans love him, and will vote him into the presidency in just a few short months.

    Maybe leftists don't understand this, but the support for President Trump is well beyond what they expect it to be.

    Many leftists think that because President Trump has spoken out against illegal aliens, that all foreigners will dislike him. That's actually the opposite from the reality we're seeing! Legal immigrants are among his biggest supporters. After all, they went through the legal immigration process, and this isn't an easy thing to do by any means. Nothing makes them angrier than seeing people who bypassed the immigration process, and who knowingly entered America illegally, get amnesty and other special privileges. President Trump's plans to make it harder for illegal aliens to get into the country appeal very much to legal immigrants.

    We see the same when it comes to many other stances that President Trump has taken. Leftists are perhaps blind to what non-leftists think. Despite all of their talk about "tolerance" and "acceptance", it's like leftists are unable to see things from different viewpoints. They just can't comprehend non-leftist positions on various issues.

    While everybody else already knows that President Trump will be leading America by this time next year, for whatever reason this will come as a huge surprise to many leftists.

    1. Re:He should get ready for President Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Might as well have some fun..

      He should be smart enough to realize that regardless of what he thinks, we're going to get President Trump this fall.

      While I wouldn't entirely discount the possibility, it's obviously too early to call. Unless you're an arrogant twat. Of course if Trump loses, I expect him to not like himself any more because Trump likes winners and doesn't like losers. But, he's enough of a megalomaniac to twist "almost won" as some sort of success, just like his countless bankruptcies and failed ventures.

      President Trump is exactly the kind of president that the United States hasn't had in over half a century, but has very badly needed.

      You mean Carter? The so-not-a-politician he couldn't get anything done?

      President Trump doesn't mince words like other politicians do.

      And that makes him poison to his own party. Support Trump and you latch onto his policies and his no-mince words. Trump, if elected will be gone in 8 years. But Senators and Representatives want to be in office for 30+ years. They want to support mince-words to give them the leeway to keep getting elected, to keep blaming other people for why nothing gets done. It's why people love their Congressmen and hate every other Congressmen, and the President, and the Supreme Court.

      He describes things as they are, and that's why so many Americans love him, and will vote him into the presidency in just a few short months.

      He describes things as racists, bigots, and general fear mongers see things. But let's be honest, even when he doesn't mince words, he does. There's 1.6 Billion Muslims on Earth. Do you want to see a WW3 that would make WW2 look like a picnic? Because anyone stupid enough to think there's a real jihad by Muslims is obviously oblivious to reality. But if you want to start your own holy war against the Muslims, don't be surprised that it turns into a blood bath on both sides. Anyone crazy enough to commit that level of genocide can't be trusted and the world would turn against the US.

      That's why, btw, Trump won't support such a policy. He's too pussy shit to actual take up the mantel you so wish him to take up.

      Maybe leftists don't understand this, but the support for President Trump is well beyond what they expect it to be.

      You're right, to an extent. It's not that "leftists" don't "understand". It's that "non-racists" don't "like" how many people in the US are closet racists, just waiting for their dark horse Trump or another like him to speak all the horrible things they believe and actually run with it. We "sane" people don't want holy wars or mass deportations or genocide. Even if "we" would win in the end, it would come at such a cost not just from a moral perspective but from a real, physical perspective. You know, we're crazy like that to actually think about the consequences of the shit you espouse if you actually tried to go through with it.

      Many leftists think that because President Trump has spoken out against illegal aliens, that all foreigners will dislike him. That's actually the opposite from the reality we're seeing! Legal immigrants are among his biggest supporters.

      No, many "leftists" think that "President Trump University" Trump is pissing off ACTUAL foreigners. The whole notion of "illegal" immigrants is as rancor as "illegal" cars because they were made in Japan or "illegal" cheese because it came from England. It is a vile affront to the free market and the free exchange of goods and services.

      After all, they went through the legal immigration process, and this isn't an easy thing to do by any means. Nothing makes them angrier than seeing people who bypassed the immigration process, and who knowingly entered America illegally, get amnesty and other special privileges. Presid

    2. Re:He should get ready for President Trump. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right. He's a Nationalist. America FIRST.

      And considering that what passes for normal in today's Republican party as evidenced by the last 8 years, given inviting foreign leders in to disrespect a sitting president - which was for all intents and purposes swearing alliegience and fealty to a foreign country over America, and their purposely shutting down the Government. He is certainly more of an American than they are.

      Which by the way, should the Republican party survive, they will hopefully learn not to make the zealotry of fundamentalists a party principle. Those people demand the right to deny others their rights, cannot compromise, and even totalitarian governments have to compromise at times.

      Anyhow, nationalism isn't that good an outlook either. That tends to lead to a lot of dead people.

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  7. actually no by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think Trump is actually saying what he genuinely feels (warts and all), which If true then by the dictionary definition of demagogue he CAN'T be one.

  8. real concerns of most voters by AlejandroTejadaC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was ready to comment but already found scamper_22 opinion that match my own: https://science.slashdot.org/c... "People aren't voting for Trump because they are amazed at his policies. They're voting for Trump because he's the only one (aside from Bernie) actually speaking about issues people want addressed instead of dismissing their concerns. If progressives/liberals actually began addressing the concerns of people. In the stereotyped Trump supporter case, poor white people, they might get somewhere. Instead probably the only message poor white people hear from the left is... you have white privilege..." My big question is: Why progressives/liberals dismiss so easily the real concerns of most voters? I am starting to believe that SOME progressives/liberals actually believe that they MUST BE the leaders above the rest of the people because somehow they are "better" than their fellow citizens... and that is exactly how most deadly confrontations began.

  9. You cucks should be deporting millions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you idiots. You destroyed your own continent by allowing a walking army to colonize you.

    While you are too busy celebrating declining populations, and abortion you've just made yourselves part of the Caliphate. Maybe if you'd ever read a book on European history, you'd know how many thousands of years the west has been at war with Syria and friends.

    Way to go, now white guilt yourselves some more into why being the rape capital of the world is good for your guilt.

  10. borders = filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're seriously arguing that because so many people are here illegally, we shouldn't do anything for fear that they'll burn our cities to the ground?

    Well, I'm even more extreme than that. I have this crazy idea that we're all citizens of Earth, and all policies that suggest which patch of dirt you're allowed to stand on, and for how long, are fundamentally evil and racist.

    As a first generation Canadian I'm okay with letting most people into my country, but I still want a border/filter to keep out the folks from (say) ISIL/Daesh. Letting in most people is fine; letting in all people is not.

    If anyone can move anywhere at anytime, one risks the tragedy of the commons where people arrive, shit all over things, and then move on and not care about the results. Having some barrier to entry, and some "skin in the game" helps to ensure that anyone in a given area has some vested interest in keep that area/community in decent shape.

  11. A crazy, dangerous, chauvinistic, and common idea by dfenstrate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I'm even more extreme than that. I have this crazy idea that we're all citizens of Earth, and all policies that suggest which patch of dirt you're allowed to stand on, and for how long, are fundamentally evil and racist.

    I have yet to see anyone who floats this thought acknowledge that some cultures are in fact better than others. If you let the wrong person in- and they're far more common in shitty cultures- they will degrade and destroy everything we've built with our nicer, more secure, more productive cultures.
    I'd go further, in fact, and state that people who float these 'borderless' ideas are the ultimate chauvinists, as they imagine that people only naturally think the same way some left-leaning westerner does.
    Either that, or you actually seek to undermine and destroy western civilization, and you make compassionate-sounding arguments in order to advance that cause. It's the same way that 'peace activists' are often not against war, per se, but they're simply on the other side, and are hiding their true motives for the sake of expedience.

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  12. Re: A crazy, dangerous, chauvinistic, and common i by xenog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that migration should be allowed freely. I also know that some cultures are better than others. Thatâ(TM)s pretty obvious. That theocratic culture that kills and tortures their people is inferior to one who isnâ(TM)t based on religious principles, does not impose capital punishment and is peaceful and prosper. I see that you think that if you happen to be in a place that embraces a good culture you want to keep people from bad cultures out. I think this is borne out of fear. Good cultures, for the most part, thrive on letting others in. How would you question your religious ideas if you are not exposed to alternate viewpoints? How would you enrich your life with new types of food? How would your political and personal views change to embrace new ideas? You need to have exposure to those. Bad cultures also need to improve. We are all together on this space ball. If you let many people from bad cultures in where people of good culture live, they are now exposed to new ideas and ways, an exposure which would not happen in any other way. Many will reject their new culture, because bad culture has some stickiness to it, but those that do not will spread the seed of doubt, spark interest, even back home where the bad culture thrives. Adding to this, bad cultures are rarely universally bad. They bring some valuable ideas, perspectives, that we can import. Even if the ideas are all bad, there will at least be some good food. Youâ(TM)d be surprised how open people of bad cultures are to new ideas, if you approach them with respect instead of fear and contempt.