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Google's Self-Driving Cars Now Know When To Honk (engadget.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Engadget: Google's self-driving cars are not only getting smarter by the day, but they're also getting a little bit more polite. According to the project's latest monthly report, the self-driving car team has recently been teaching the car's AI when and how to honk the horn and give the human drivers on the road a helpful heads up. In order to train its honking algorithm, the team tested a variety of honk-worthy situations, like a car backing out of a blind driveway or a car headed the wrong way down a one-way street. At first, the car would play a little honk sound inside the vehicle so engineers could record whether there was a legitimate need for a honk and provide teaching feedback. Once they felt the AI was ready, they let it blare its horn to the world. The report goes on to say Google has "sound-designed the self-driving car's 'hum' so pedestrians and cyclists around the car can hear it coming." The sound increases when the car speeds up, and decreases when the car slows down.

156 comments

  1. Self-Driving Car Baiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is about to become a thing.

    1. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Do the Google Self Driving cars know when to give "the finger"?

      That usually come shortly after the horn honk...but had to be timed just right....

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    2. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      It's going to take a breakthrough in quantum computing before they can get one to honk its horn microseconds before the light turns green.

    3. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      I had exactly the same idea, a finger as a "helpful feedback on the other driver's actions".

    4. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did they teach the car not to honk depending on who it's honking at?

      Some people will chase you down, beat you or shoot you if you honk at them. I'm not sure if an AI is nuanced enough to know who is safe to honk at and who isn't.

    5. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the bright side, if a Google car starts honking and flipping other people off, the owner won't be alive for very long.

      Problem solved.

    6. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by rockout · · Score: 2

      You appear to referencing a study with the small sample size of 50 self-driving cars that were involved in 11 accidents. You should also say that all 11 accidents were the fault of the other party involved (the human-driven car), and the damage was very minor in each case.

      I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say they "ignore the rules of the road", but apparently you don't like self-driving cars very much, despite evidence that the roads would probably be safer if all cars were self-driving.

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    7. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure learning how long the red light cycle is and learning to anticipate it by microseconds is well within the realm of non-mumbo-jumbo computers.

    8. Re: Self-Driving Car Baiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably one of these JavaScript kiddies, it'll take a quantum amount of memory just to store the stack for something like that.

    9. Re:Self-Driving Car Baiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next it will start yelling out "eh move it asshole!"

  2. Beep Beep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who's got the keys to the Jeep?

    Vrooooooooommmmmm

  3. Honk at texting Meanderthals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will the cars honk at texting Meanderthal idioticus fools who walk out into traffic?

    Or do us all the favor, not honk, and squash them?

  4. They could do better by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Only honking is not enough

    Since Google's self driving car are running on computers and computer can differentiate different dangerous situations Google should make their cars 'talk' --- like "Watch out, I'm on your left lane!" or 'get the fuck out of my lane, asshole!', or something like that!

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    1. Re:They could do better by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, I'm drivin' here!

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    2. Re:They could do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The car disproportionately honks at women too.

      This is clearly sexist manhonking as a result of the deeply engrained brogramming culture at Google.

    3. Re: They could do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and if Google's cars detect you driving, they'll say, "eat a dick."

    4. Re:They could do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL I can see the jezabel and buzzfeed post as this technologies is rolled out.

    5. Re:They could do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    6. Re:They could do better by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Plus there should be a robot arm attached, with the ability to raise one* finger...

      * 2 for those in the UK

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    7. Re:They could do better by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      The car disproportionately honks at women too.

      Nah, that's just a result of its machine learning algorithm.

      (ducks...)

    8. Re:They could do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not AI until it has road rage.

    9. Re:They could do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or send a message out to other cars - "hot woman washing car at "
      Something like honking your horn to let others know needs to be updated - we've got the technology.

    10. Re:They could do better by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      'get the fuck out of my lane, asshole!'

      They're going to have models specifically for sale in Massachusetts?

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    11. Re:They could do better by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      OK, so it can honk. But does it know what to do when honked at? Can it roll down the window, stick out a mechanical arm, and raise its finger?

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    12. Re:They could do better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only honking is not enough

      Since Google's self driving car are running on computers and computer can differentiate different dangerous situations Google should make their cars 'talk' --- like "Watch out, I'm on your left lane!" or 'get the fuck out of my lane, asshole!', or something like that!

      I will go a step further and suggest that this could be an educational module for a tesla (especially youngsters). In a similar situation as you describe, I learned some very obscure words from my grandfather in at least 3 italian dialects. As a young lad I was impressed with his descriptions of family tree(s), anatomy and various personal character traits of individuals on the road. As a naval engineer, my grandpa had a knack for weaving seemingly endless sentences which one, given lack of understanding, could mistake for poetry or a mental breakedown. Of course tesla could be configured to speak in far more than 3 obscure dialects. This could deepen and promote our understanding as well as appreciation of other cultures.

    13. Re:They could do better by darniil · · Score: 1

      "Watch out, I'm on your left lane!" or 'get the fuck out of my lane, asshole!', or something like that!

      Actually, that's similar to something I was thinking about one day.

      Like, in some not-too-distant future (Next Sunday, AD?), self-driving cars actually talk to each other. We get in, we program our destinations, they calculate the route to take, and off we go. But when on the roads, commute distances differ. Some people might get on the interstate and get off at the next exit. Others might be on the interstate for 20 miles. But the cars talk to each other.

      "I'm getting on the interstate, but I'm going to be here for a while."
      "Okay, we'll make room for you so you can get into the cruising lane."
      And then 2+ vehicles adjust their velocities to make room for the car that's got a long way to go.

      "Hey, I can see there's a lot of us over in the slow lanes, but my human's exit is coming up in 0.25 miles."
      "Okay, here's a spot you can use so you can make the exit."

      Maybe this would just be some self-driving car equivalent of an ad-hoc wireless network. I don't know. Just seemed like a way to ease road congestion without requiring human intervention.

    14. Re:They could do better by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      I agree. I always wished I had an LCD board in my back window with preprogrammed responses.

      "Sorry, I was a total asshole and didn't see you."
      "Thanks!"

      On a more serious note I still think the Google Cars need a bright red flashing light in the back window for when it detects an oncoming car when it's stopped. Lay on the horn and flash a bright red light at them. Then if they're texting and are about to rear-end you (most google car accidents it seems) they will be alerted and hopefully stop their vehicle.

  5. Finally a car feature worth hacking by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Funny

    if (location - evilcorpHQ < 100) {
        horn.honk(5000);
    }

    if (location - tinderuser.closest < 50) {
        horn.honk(50);
        horn.honk(50);
    }

    1. Re:Finally a car feature worth hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So the input value of horn.honk, is that the loudness of the honk? The number of honks? The duration of a single honk? Are two horn.honk(50) like you have, the same as one horn.honk(100)? Inquiring minds like mine want to know!

    2. Re:Finally a car feature worth hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sloppy.. he used literals in the code. they belong in defines.. horn.honk(HORN_TINDER_LEVEL); or horn.honk(HORN_HONK_EVILCORP_LEVEL); Then you'd know what they meant.

  6. Still to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teaching the cars when to extend the middle finger and how to curse other cars.

    1. Re:Still to come by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      if (isModel(surroundingCars.inFront, Models.Buick) || isOwnerHomeState(surroundingCars.inFront, States.Florida)) {
          externalSpeaker.play(new voiceToSound("Get the fuck off my road asshole! I'm driving here."));
          surroundingCars.inFront.aggroPoints++;
      }

      for each car in surroundingCars {
          if (car.aggroPoints > 3) {
              if(car.occupants.lookHarmless) {
                  car.flipOff();
              }
          }
      } ...

    2. Re:Still to come by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      if(car.occupants.lookHarmless)

      So true lol

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  7. When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by schwit1 · · Score: 2

    Because his priority is texting instead of driving.

    1. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone around here is texting on their phones. In Texas, drunk driving and texting and driving are practically encouraged. Hell, I've seen a guy on the interstate driving 30mph and he was juggling a phone AND tablet at the same time. It's rare for anyone to notice a light turn green. Consequently, you typically get only 2-3 cars through the light per green.

    2. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by PPH · · Score: 1

      In Washington State, it has gotten worse since pot was legalized. Lots of people just sitting at the intersection in a stupor.

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    3. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Reminds me of my favourite bad driving trifecta. Was going to a burger place, going down the street and one ahole one cuts me off, 1min later another ahole is driving behind me with his high beams on blinding me, 1min after that we're all standing at a turning light behind a car waiting to turn. And waiting, and waiting... The light never went green because ahole three was too busy txting to realise she's not actually the front car anymore and no one is standing on the turning sensor so our light never went green.

      I got out, tapped on her window and let lose:
      YOU Get the fuck off your phone and drive up to the sensor!
      YOU Watch where the fuck your going before you get someone killed!
      and YOU your fucking highbeams are still on, OFF NOW!!!!!

      It was the second most satisfying experience of my driving career.

    4. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      Haven't really noticed - but then again western Washington, Seattle in particular, has always had drivers who will wait until they're 150% sure the light is green. You can tell if someone is out of state because they're the only ones honking their horn.

    5. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      lol what was the most satisfying?

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    6. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by PPH · · Score: 1

      I'm from WA State and I honk.

      wait until they're 150% sure the light is green.

      I'm not so sure about this. I've been behind a few people lately where, when the light turns green, their foot comes off the brake (brake light go out). But they just sit there for another 5 or even 10 seconds. It's a stoner thing, where the train of thought gets broken at some point in the process.

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    7. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Washington State, it has gotten worse since pot was legalized. Lots of people just sitting at the intersection in a stupor.

      for decades you give your tax dollars freely to pay for football stadiums and only now you notice the stupor?

    8. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Driving home in peak hour one day there's a car a few meters in front of me who clearly thinks he can travel faster than the backed up traffic. Ever chance he gets he jumps into the other lane which he thinks is moving faster only for that to be the slightly slower lane. 10min later he ends up behind me. Traffic breaks a little and we start moving a bit shy of the speed limit, truck in my lane and a break in the other, so I change lanes right as that idiot does. He honks and tailgates me as if that was his god given lane.

      At some point we end up in the right lane, idiot still behind me, and we're behind a another truck I can't see around. There's a suddenly very large break in the left lane with no cars at all which I merge into (because I need to go left up ahead), but half way into the lane I change my mind (for a good reason) and jump back into the right lane.

      Idiot behind my who already accelerated before I even started to merge honks, swerves into the left lane, accelerates, gives me the finger, and then rear-ends the parked bus (the good reason why I didn't want to go in that lane).

      Some people just need to chill.

    9. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That is excellent.
      I had a similar (but lesser) experience where someone who was mad at me rushed to cut me off......right into a red light, getting captured by a camera.

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    10. Re:When the ahole doesn't see the light turn green by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Isn't it just one of the most glorious feelings in the world? ^_^

  8. A good start ... by scunc · · Score: 1

    I'll wait to reserve my autonomous car until it can give someone the finger, though ...

  9. Stinky car by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    So it hums and it honks? Maybe they should wash it once in a while.

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    1. Re: Stinky car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also honks when it's sitting behind your car, the light turns green, and you keep sitting there because you're too busy eating a dick to pay attention to the road.

    2. Re: Stinky car by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      What is it about me that you find so fascinating?

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  10. I can't wait for the day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... self-driving cars learn to read bumper-stickers and figure out which ones to honk for, or angrily at, and which ones to dignifiedly ignore.

  11. Nice by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    I guess they will honk each time they read a bumper-sticker with 'Honk if you love Jesus' or 'Honk if you're horny'.

  12. I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will the honking algorithm take cultural differences into account? In New York City, will it really lay on the horn to say "cut it out, jackass!", but in rural Iowa, just give a brief toot to say "Hey there neighbor! No offense, but you might want to be more careful with your driving!"

    1. Re: I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously have never driven in Des Moines.

    2. Re:I wonder... by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      Not sure whether it's the law nationwide but in many places you're only supposed to use your horn to alert other drivers of your presence.

  13. Re:FUCK EUROPE by richy+freeway · · Score: 2

    You could always move, I don't think it would change the way you are though.

  14. Manual Operations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are, however, still required to flip people off manually.

  15. Will it be region-aware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in Portland Oregon, you could drive for years without ever hearing someone honk their horn.

    1. Re:Will it be region-aware? by HumanWiki · · Score: 2

      Here in Portland Oregon, you could drive for years without ever hearing someone honk their horn.

      and here in Chicago, it's pretty rude to NOT honk at least 1.2s before the light goes green.

    2. Re:Will it be region-aware? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> Here in Portland Oregon

      That's interesting. Maybe someone should make a show about your city.

    3. Re:Will it be region-aware? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. How does one honk a horn and why would one want to?

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    4. Re:Will it be region-aware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much honk could a horn honk honk if a horn honk could honk horns?

    5. Re: Will it be region-aware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the city of Chicago is already working on a honking tax. Cook County and Illinois state are soon to follow.

    6. Re:Will it be region-aware? by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Here in Portland Oregon, you could drive for years without ever hearing someone honk their horn.

      There in Portland, Oregon, people drive so slowly that it's faster to walk.

    7. Re: Will it be region-aware? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      What about putting tolls on LSD?

    8. Re:Will it be region-aware? by MorePower · · Score: 2

      Ok super curious now. I'm guessing "honk" means something else in your dialect? I tried the usual "British English to American English" searches and got nothing.
      In American English, "Honk" is an onomatopoeia of the sound car horns make (comparing them to the sound geese make). "To honk" is the verbing of that word. One honks a horn by pushing the center of the steering wheel causing the car horn to make the honk sound. This is done to alert other drivers, get their attention, or express road rage.

  16. Re: When the ahole doesn't see the light turn gree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Aww, did precious snowflake have to wait 3s on the way to work this morning? Here, have a Snickers bar.

  17. Disable cycleist hum by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    Stop the noise pollution the 3 adults that ride bikes on the road around me can deal. The kids are smart enough to use the sidewalks.

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    1. Re:Disable cycleist hum by kimvette · · Score: 2

      FWIW, in most locales cyclists are entitled to the full lane.

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    2. Re:Disable cycleist hum by omnichad · · Score: 3, Informative

      And in most of these locations, bicycling on the sidewalk is also illegal.

    3. Re:Disable cycleist hum by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

      Both of which are ridiculous.

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    4. Re:Disable cycleist hum by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Have you met most bicyclists? A few good actors does not make it worth making the sidewalks dangerous. Especially one-pedestrian-wide curving suburban sidewalks with lots of plant life around them.

    5. Re:Disable cycleist hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop the noise pollution the 3 adults that ride bikes on the road around me can deal. The kids are smart enough to use the sidewalks.

      People NEVER get hit in crosswalks by turning traffic EVER!
      Silent cars are as bad as crossing streets with headphones on.

    6. Re:Disable cycleist hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Stop the noise pollution the 3 adults that ride bikes on the road around me can deal. The kids are smart enough to use the sidewalks.

      You must be an out-of-shape fatty who can't maintain faster than 8 mph on a bike.

      Some of us can hold 20+ mph - for hours.

      Do you really want 20+ mph vehicles on sidewalks, or are you just an unthinking moron?

    7. Re:Disable cycleist hum by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Here in the burbs to rural, were smart kids use the sidewalks it's safer for them. I didn't say it was technically legal but these are laws made by city folk for city folk. We do not realy have to contend with massive throngs of people using the sidewalks. Try biking down main st a cop will tell you to get up on the sidewalk and stop being an idiot.

      Around here we call a cyclist using a full lane obstructing the flow traffic and patently dangerous. 45+ mph speed limits and plenty of turns bike doing 5mph going to cause an accident.

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    8. Re:Disable cycleist hum by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      You must live in very different burbs, our sidewalk are rather wide 4 people abreast easily 8+ on the main road (all of a mile or so of it) and no sidewalks once your are off through streets. Mind you I said children adult bicyclists get to use the side of the road. A pack of 10 year olds can use the sidewalk all they want.

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    9. Re:Disable cycleist hum by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Good thing it's legal where I am and firmly suggested fro children.

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    10. Re:Disable cycleist hum by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      They should invent headphones that make engine noises when cars are nearby. Then people like you can wear those while the rest of us can enjoy the silence of modern cars in our cities.

    11. Re:Disable cycleist hum by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I should have specified residential sidewalks.

    12. Re:Disable cycleist hum by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      20+mph You must live in the flatlands. How many kids can do that in places where we have hills? 20mph is still a safety issue in roads try 55mph traffic and blind corners.

      In any event we have no issues with kids bikes on sidewalks, the adult cyclists use the roads.

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    13. Re:Disable cycleist hum by Admiral_Grinder · · Score: 1

      And in these burbs, myself and my kids have almost been killed riding bikes on the sidewalk, because people don't stop before the crosswalk or look going in and out of driveways. (No seriously, both kids have had to dodge cars entering the crosswalk without stopping at the line). When riding on the streets with me, nothing even close to that.

      A cyclist using a full lane is the right and proper way to cycle (ever since the 1800's). They are not obstructing traffic, they are traffic. The bike isn't going to cause a crash. The person driving 45+ around curves without slowing down will be doing the crashing. You shouldn't single out bicycle from the legal road users group that could also be stopped or slow at any given moment on the road.

    14. Re:Disable cycleist hum by mjm1231 · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see you just try to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk in Manhattan. Could make a great youtube video, and maybe even give you a shot at a Darwin Award.

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    15. Re:Disable cycleist hum by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      We call it impeding traffic, cyclist are not allowed to use the full lane unless the entire road is too narrow to allow passing with the 3 foot safety in these parts. Seems like a good thing to me.

      As far as corners sorry physics says your bike loses every time, as I said my state does not allow bikes to use the full lane and any road where it's a 45-55mph speed limit it's wide enough for a bike to stay on the side. If your mid road you're allready in the wrong when you get hit.

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    16. Re:Disable cycleist hum by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      For good reason too. Nobody wants to get run over by a bicycle going 15mph.

  18. noisy by DriveDog · · Score: 2

    Hum? All the time? Come on, what we don't need is more noise. More than any other vehicles, Google cars are aware of potentially intruding objects. Make the sounds when they might help. Do not make sounds when unnecessary. What is it about current society that wants noise all the time?

    1. Re:noisy by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It should be a whooshing sound that is aligned with some lights on the bumper.

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    2. Re:noisy by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Blind pedestrians? It doesn't have to be loud.

    3. Re:noisy by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      The AI should be able to detect the white cane and make some polite warning sounds in that case.

    4. Re:noisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While one of these conditions exist can we turn off the noise?
      * on highways at speed
      * no other cars/vehicles/bicycles around
      * all nearby vehicles are in auto/"smart" mode (full sensor/comms with them)
      Can we also reduce sounds at night?

    5. Re:noisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if they have a seeing eye dog instead? Should the car make noise for every dog on a leash?

      Just let it hum. It's still 1000% less annoying that internal combustion.

    6. Re:noisy by Admiral_Grinder · · Score: 1

      Some use service dogs. The moving cane will be really hard to make out driving at 45mph

    7. Re:noisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bicycle has a bell on it. Just sayin'

    8. Re:noisy by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Toyota added this to Priuses. It's a high enough frequency that the range of the sound dissipates very quickly.

  19. NYC mode? by kimvette · · Score: 1

    Will there be a NYC mode where it will do an angry honk .05 second after the light turns green? If not, it's a non-starter for NYC drivers.

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    1. Re:NYC mode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will there be a NYC mode where it will do an angry honk .05 second after the light turns green? If not, it's a non-starter for NYC drivers.

      That would be the NewYorkSecond option in the config file.

  20. not impressed. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    tell me when it gets road rage and starts honking at pedestrians before mowing them over and then i'll be impressed! :)

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    1. Re:not impressed. by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      That would be great, no officer my ai car did it all by itself. The screen flashed red and just ran into them.

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    2. Re: not impressed. by Frankzy · · Score: 1

      And then Google would receive the punishment of the decade, probably tank it's stock as well... Sounds good to me

  21. Re: When the ahole doesn't see the light turn gree by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Right, because that's the problem with texting while driving.

  22. Does it honk? by jandersen · · Score: 2

    This reminds of a completely irrelevant joke: A man comes into a pub carrying a goose. The publican asks "Does it honk?" - "No", says the man, "- he can hold his drink".

    1. Re:Does it honk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFLAC!

    2. Re:Does it honk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Must be a regional thing, but I've never heard the term "honk" used relating to being drunk before, while it's obviously being used quite a bit in here today :)

    3. Re:Does it honk? by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Not so much drunk as the effects of being too drunk. Our culture is blessed with veritbale multitude of expressions for vomiting.

    4. Re:Does it honk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whereabouts is "honk" a synonym for "vomit"?

  23. Location Specific? by Art+Challenor · · Score: 2

    Another US-centric algorithm! Absolutely wrong for some of the world's major cities, Rome, Mexico City, Manila, etc.

    1. Re:Location Specific? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Be fair, the concept of a self driving car as being made by most companies (tends to follow the rules of the road, stays in lane, does some semblance of the speed limit, avoids accidents, etc.) is generally a poor fit for Rome at least. Haven't been to the other two, but I'm moderately certain that in Rome at least, attempting to avoid accidents and staying in ones lane is considered a sign of weakness and should be avoided at all cost. Or at least the lane markers are really just a suggestion and not a real rule.

    2. Re:Location Specific? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, you've got it all wrong, the developers aren't from the U.S.

    3. Re:Location Specific? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

      In parts of the usa semblance of the speed limit is like 10-15+ over and some cases up to 25 over in work zones. Do 45 at your own risk on the IL-tollway.

    4. Re:Location Specific? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are also the same developers who somehow thought that a city bus would yield to a tiny car.

    5. Re:Location Specific? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Be fair, the concept of a self driving car as being made by most companies (tends to follow the rules of the road, stays in lane, does some semblance of the speed limit, avoids accidents, etc.) is generally a poor fit for Rome at least. Haven't been to the other two, but I'm moderately certain that in Rome at least, attempting to avoid accidents and staying in ones lane is considered a sign of weakness and should be avoided at all cost. Or at least the lane markers are really just a suggestion and not a real rule.

      In general, though, Europe has an excellent public transportation system, which means driving is completely unnecessary to get around. So those who don't want to drive, don't. Those who do, can, resulting in some... interesting driving, and rather impressive parking as you weed out the crap and leave the cream.

      In North America, you have to drive, barring a few cities that have OK to decent public transportation systems. Thus, drivers are often not wanting to drive, but forced to do so, making it a chore. It's why distracted driving has overtaken drunk driving as the #1 cause of accidents - the drivers want to do anything BUT drive.

    6. Re:Location Specific? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another US-centric algorithm! Absolutely wrong for some of the world's major cities, Rome, Mexico City, Manila, etc.

      Seriously? Who gives a fuck that something being developed in the USA is not appropriate to your corner of the world? Do you really not think that if Google decides to make it available to you they won't modify it to be appropriate to your locale? Are you that fucking stupid? No? You are just trolling.

    7. Re: Location Specific? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably from India. From what I hear, the rules for honking (including which horn to use, but of course excluding the auto-horn) are more important than (or basically supplant) the other rules of driving.

  24. Re: When the ahole doesn't see the light turn gree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, because that's the problem with texting while driving.

    No, it's just the one you're complaining about.

  25. teach it to pick up hookers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and then I would be impressed.

  26. so does Chen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HONK HONK

  27. How are they modeling Boston? by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 2

    while(location == Boston)
              horn.honk;
    end

    You'd think everyone was in a rush going to save someone's life that's critical at the hospital.

  28. How about a green lights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many milliseconds to they allow between a light turning green and the first honk?

  29. Hums? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it hum ice cream truck music?

  30. Google will get people shot in road-rage incidents by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

    All it takes is one wrong honk toward one wrong recipient and it's lights-out for the nerd inside the Google car.

  31. other requirements by swell · · Score: 1

    My wife and I shared the driving about equally. Equally concerned about safety, we didn't want the driver to be distracted by orally abusing and gesticulating at offending drivers we encountered on our journeys. It's an important function of driving, but reduces overall safety. We settled on a plan such that whoever was driving would continue on course even after a serious transgression by a road companion ... while the passenger would open the window and express his/her self at the offender with extreme vocal energy and gestures involving arms, fingers and facial disapproval.

    It is important that bad drivers are clearly admonished at the moment of their failures or they will not learn. Anyone who trains a dog knows that. A horn just isn't enough in some cases, and in others it is too much. How can the Google car incorporate that shaming that is so beneficial to negligent drivers without requiring the Google car occupant to participate?

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    ...omphaloskepsis often...
  32. Divided States of Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here I was thinking nerds were intelligent people, I can't believe this has gone as far as it has. Remember when Obama was first elected and he was talking about putting people to work to fix the infrastructure? Now here at the end of his term he wants us to dump billions into Google's hair-brained pet projects and ill-conceived, dystopian vision for humanity. Google don't *do* evil, they are it's incarnate manifestation on earth. Remember when technology was exciting, useful, and fun to be a part of?

  33. Polite? Helpful? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Yeah, those are the words that come to mind when I think about someone honking their car horn.

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  34. What about not moving at green lights? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    What about not moving at green lights? I some times have to due that to people.

    1. Re:What about not moving at green lights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about not moving at green lights? I some times have to due that to people.

      No, you don't have to do that, ever, since it's illegal anyway. If you still feel the irresistible urge to honk, please hand in your driving license and have a psychologist examine yourself.

  35. Pretty girls by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    How do they know if a girl is worth honking at? Can they detect pretty girls?

    1. Re:Pretty girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats good use for Recaptcha.
      1-) Choose only the pretty girls.
      2-) Wait for spammers and buy algorithm.
      3-) ?????
      4-) Profit!

    2. Re:Pretty girls by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Algorithms.

      If (phone==Android) honk();
      else mustbenotworthdating();

    3. Re:Pretty girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it also read signs like "Honk if you are..." or "Honk in support of..." and then honk the horn?

    4. Re:Pretty girls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if it sees a trigglypuff?

    5. Re:Pretty girls by antdude · · Score: 1

      If Google can detect our faces, then I am sure it can for pretty people.

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      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  36. But can they be politically incorrect? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    It would be cool if they could occasionally honk at an attractive and well-put-together man or woman that they see walking down the street. Now THAT would signal the arrival of true AI!

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    'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
    1. Re:But can they be politically incorrect? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I posted the same thing. Great minds think alike. My post was more sexist though.

  37. I hope they teach it Cultural horn honking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Horn honking is cultural and local law based.

    In my area, honking is ticket-able, unless there is immediate grave danger. The example of the car pulling out in front of the auto-car, the auto-car saw it and should have stopped allowing the other car the right-way.

    In European cities, mainly Mediterranean areas, honking is signalling who was "first", so other "know" who was the right-way.

    Driving is driving, communicating that is issue. Honk and turn signals are communicating. Communication is cultural.

    1. Re:I hope they teach it Cultural horn honking by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      certain steep and narrow bridges where I'm from require you to honk before passing over them, as you cannot see the other side. Some places have hills like that too. If the self driving car can't read the rusty old sign next to the bridge, it won't know to honk. Hopefully people who can afford self driving cars are staying out of such rural middle-of-nowhere places.

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  38. Re: When the ahole doesn't see the light turn gree by michelcolman · · Score: 1

    Not just him. All the cars behind him as well. And, if the intersection is so busy that during rush hour all cars have to wait for several green lights, all subsequent cars for the rest of the entire rush hour.

  39. Sad thing. by will_die · · Score: 1

    The sad thing is they also said it will take them 3-5 years to figure out how to implement the turn signals.

  40. Does it understand BEING HONKED AT? by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a cool advancement, because it shows that the cars are getting good at sending a message. But do they LISTEN to honks?

    1. Re:Does it understand BEING HONKED AT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a cool advancement, because it shows that the cars are getting good at sending a message. But do they LISTEN to honks?

      Maybe not. But definitely results in more noise pollution for everyone else. Honking for emergencies is different than safety honking. It's easy to picture how this could be taken to a whole new level of stupid: "Please select horn sensitivity level: 0 - manual; 1 - emergencies; 2 - safety honking; 3 - honk at everything (best insurance rate / least liability if accident occurs)"

      Side note - does it seem odd that the horn is usually located directly over the airbag? Pretty much the spot where you put your hand that explodes during a collision?

    2. Re:Does it understand BEING HONKED AT? by Stormalong · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't think so. First off, it would have no idea if the honk were directed at it or some other vehicle.

      But mostly its because a honk is usually the equivalent of "hey idiot, pay attention". But Google's cars are always paying attention, so I don't think listening for a honk would be a valuable input.

    3. Re: Does it understand BEING HONKED AT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrm. Remember this poist in twenty years...

  41. Stop watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been driving, honking, flipping people off, and even given the occasional razzberry/cookoo sign, etc.. at other drivers for 35 years. Only once in that time did someone follow me as a threat, and I took them down a side street to show them the result of their threat. I don't mean to imply I did anything at all to the other person. The fact that I pulled to an out of the way place and parked was enough to make them think really really hard (honest, I saw so much smoke I thought the Fire Dept would come, but then again with response times in Detroit...). They considered wisely and drove off.

    In summary: 1. COPS is not how real life works, stop living in fantasy Island and come back to the real world. 2. If you make a threat make sure you are willing to back up your threat. 3. If you display emotions to someone, expect to receive what you give. Often with an unfavorable return rate for you.

    1. Re:Stop watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sure tough guy. I'd like to see you try doing that in a place like LA or New York. You'll get your ass handed to you or you'll end up dead.

    2. Re:Stop watching TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Awe, did you just have a brain poop? Having the fortitude to not back down is not the same as being "tough". You believing it does implies you are simply an ignorant bitch. And why would I go to LA or New York? Because LA and NY are so much tougher than Detroit? Too funny. How about going to Detroit and telling them that. And yes, I have been to NYC, LA, Oakland, KC, Chicago, Gary, etc... I don't make it a habit, but work takes me places and I like to explore.

  42. Road rage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So will they start arming the cars so they can respond when attacked due to road rage? Here in Florida, honking is a good way to get shot at. Hmm, maybe that's how Skynet really starts...

  43. I swear by Xenna · · Score: 1

    I swear Google have an employee (not an AI) who keeps a list of all this little tidbits and releases them to the press every few weeks or so. Just to keep the project in the papers.

    And all the media just obediently paste them into the headline fied... :(

  44. Depends on region by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Drivers in northern California don't appear to honk unless they have their head wedged into the steering column. I get weird stares when I honk at cars in San Jose for doing things like driving in the wrong lane, when busses turn right on red right in front of me requiring me to pile on the brakes. (city bus drivers are terrible drivers considering driving is their job that they do every day)

    In the mid-west, you honk at people for commiting any offense, even if it doesn't directly impact you. Like if you see someone run a red light, you honk at them. Maybe point at the traffic light and give them a WTF look. If someone doesn't merge like a zipper in heavy traffic, someone is going to start honking, because nobody likes it when people cut in line.

    I've driven in NYC only twice, but there wasn't really all that much honking. I think because I was there on the weekend and it's probably only a rage circus on work days.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  45. Knows when to honk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When it's horny, I assume.

  46. another feature by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    They need a speaker near the front grille that screams "THE LIGHT IS GREEN, ASSHOLE!"

  47. Next up in R&D Labs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google research shows that soon the cars will be able to detect "honk if you're horny" bumper stickers and react appropriately.

  48. Woot by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

    I just saw a rainbow colored car going by playing "La Cucaracha" nonstop!

  49. Re:Europe is better than California by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

    And you want Google's car to honk in support?

  50. IDIOTS OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We call it impeding traffic,

    bicycles are traffic too, how can you be "impeding" traffic when you ARE the traffic?

    If your mid road you're allready in the wrong when you get hit.

    apparently humans behind the wheel are an unstoppable random force of nature, cannot be controlled, probably should be banned

  51. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while(location == Boston)

    yes indeed, boston drivers all turn into saints when they cross the 180 smoot mark

  52. One small issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, recently we had a case where a woman honked her horn at someone.

    They then decided to shoot her.

    It will be a bad day when someone gets shot because their car decided it needed to honk.

  53. Re:FUCK EUROPE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    blacklivesmatter!@