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Electric Bikes Won Over China. Is the US Next? (bloomberg.com)

Sales of electric-bike is growing in many parts of the world. Asia-Pacific region, for instance, is estimated to see 32.8M of them sell this year, and 1.6m of e-bikes are expected to be sold in Western Europe by the end of this year. In China, in particular, the ban on motorcyle has lead to massive e-bike adoption. Over the years we've seen many companies such as BG and Pedego dish out models after models, offering bikes ranging from elegant folding versions to flat-tire variants. Despite all the growth elsewhere in the world, North America and Latin America are estimated to see less than 250,000 inventories move this year. But going forward, the number is likely to see a major growth. From a Bloomberg article: Electrics "finally have legs to be able to take off in the U.S.," because cyclists are feeling safer on the roads, battery and motor technology is improving, and retail prices are dropping, says Todd Grant, president of the National Bicycle Dealers Association. However, e-bikes have been banned in some U.S. cities because of safety concerns. [...] The U.S. market could develop "way faster" than Europe's did, says Claus Fleischer, who heads Bosch's e-bike division. The German multinational began selling motors and batteries for electric bikes in 2011 and now supplies more than 60 brands, primarily in Europe. It opened a subsidiary in Irvine, Calif., in 2014 and is sponsoring e-bike expos across the U.S., including one in Portland, Ore., that ran for three days in late May.

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  1. "the ban on motorcyle (s?) " by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    helped. a lot.

    1. Re:"the ban on motorcyle (s?) " by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      If it's two stroke engine bikes then there are still gas options.

      Motorcycles are NOT banned in China. They are only banned in the core areas of major cities, like Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen, and even there they are allowed if you are a resident and you have the emissions checked. Motorcycles are common in smaller cities and rural areas.

      A major reason e-bikes are popular in China is that you can ride them in the bicycle lanes, which is way safer than riding in traffic. They are not popular everywhere. They work well in flat cities like Shanghai or Beijing, but you rarely see them in hilly cities like Chongqing.

    2. Re:"the ban on motorcyle (s?) " by hawguy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tell that to the stack of traffic behind you, ass-hat.

      The only traffic behind me in the bike lane is other bikes. If a car chooses to drive in the bike lane, he should drive at bike speed.

    3. Re:"the ban on motorcyle (s?) " by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not only that. The laws limit the speed to 20 mph max for electric. Worthless on flat roads when you can easily reach 25 mph. It prevents them from being used on the roads properly.

      No surprise, but cow-herd misrepresents the laws. In my State the cutoff is 15mph, not 20, but that isn't a speed limit of any sort.

      That is merely the speed where it becomes a moped or scooter instead of a "bicycle." So if your device can go over that speed, then it is type of light motorcycle rather than a bicycle, and can't be used on bicycle-only paths. The funny part is that your complaint is that the rule interferes with being able to use electric bikes on roads; no, that is exactly the solution those rules explain to you: if you want it fast enough to be useful on most roads, then you'll have to drive it... on the road.

      Also, it has nothing to do with electric; in most states it applies to any power-assisted bicycle, regardless of technology used. And before these laws were written, all power assisted bicycles were mopeds, a type of light motorcycle! These laws were added specifically to allow those devices which operate at a low (device-limited) speed to operate without licensing and on bike paths.

    4. Re:"the ban on motorcyle (s?) " by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 4, Funny

      Another self-entitled cyclist who believes that cars shouldn't be in the bike lane, eh? What next you selfish person? Are you going to disallow cars from driving on the sidewalk also?

      /s

      (The article below indicates that NYPD was not going to take action against a driver who did just that, mowed down a pedestrian, and drove away, however the driver has turned herself in.)

      http://www.streetsblog.org/2016/06/03/driver-who-injured-woman-on-manhattan-sidewalk-pleads-to-two-felonies/

  2. E-bikes will stall for one simple reason: by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    John Forester's cult of Vehicular Cycling. Cycling in the US has been crippled for decades by a delusional group of ideologues who believe bicycles belong in the middle of regular motor vehicle lanes, even on 50mph state highways, and who will actively seek to prevent dedicated bicycle facilities from being built if it means people will ride in ways they disapprove of.

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    A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    1. Re:E-bikes will stall for one simple reason: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've always wondered why we'd rather have cyclist hit by cement trucks than pedestrians hit by cyclists..

    2. Re: E-bikes will stall for one simple reason: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's because they want the perks of being a vehicle and a pedestiran. Jerks.

    3. Re:E-bikes will stall for one simple reason: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (though I have seen some poor "dedicated" lanes rejected because they were more dangerous than shared lanes since the cyclists were exposed to cars at every intersection)

      So... the shared lanes don't expose cyclists to cars at every intersection (and all points in between as well)? How does that work?

      Where I live we spend a million bucks a mile for bike lanes which are ignored by at least half the cyclists on the road who insist on "sharing" lanes with vehicles lawfully travelling at three times their speed or more. I've seen them riding three or four wide taking up both available motor vehicle lanes in one direction and not a single bike in the adjacent bike lane. Intersections? Red Lights? 4-way stops? Means nothing to our cyclists, they routinely blow right through them. Then there's the Lance Armstrong wannabees all decked out in gaudy spandex who think it's a great idea to "share" a nearby 9-mile narrow stretch of 2-lane shoulder-less ditch-abutting-the-white-stripe no-passing-zone road consisting of nothing but roller-coaster hills. While they may enjoy the challenge, it's insanely dangerous for the cyclists and motorists as well. While it's technically illegal to pass a bicycle anywhere along this stretch of double-yellow-line road, nobody wants to follow one all the way to the end because they're going at most 5 mph up the hills. But then they speed up to the 35 mph speed limit or more going down the hills, making it difficult to pass where there's maybe just enough visibility to the crest of the next hill to pass without killing anyone. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people pass cyclists going UP one of these hills as a result, and I've witnessed many near-misses as another vehicle crests the hill in the oncoming lane as the passing vehicle swerves sharply over to avoid a head-on. NOT ONCE have I seen a cyclist pull off at one of the many driveways along this road to let motor vehicle traffic pass safely.

      Speaking to "an active cycling advocate for over 20 years", here's hoping you've been advocating that your fellow cyclists share RESPONSIBILITY at least as much as you've been advocating the rest of us to share the road. Because we DEFINITELY need more cycling enthusiasts to do so.

  3. Given the excess energy stored in love handles by ffkom · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... the much better trend for the US would be an increased use of non-electric, traditional bicycles.

  4. Another market they are making inroads by willworkforbeer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Professional cycling races.

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    Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
  5. A few changes and the Chinese eBikes would be OK by ukoda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having used eBikes for a daily commute in China I think they are a great technology, practical and affordable. The average price for an eBike was about USD $400 when I lived there a couple of years ago. Current eBikes outside of China appear to be grossly over priced. There are a few changes need if they wish to sell outside of China. The build quality needs to improve, quite doable. The speed restrictions need removed, typically 35kph which is too slow in cities outside China, 55kph (35mph) should make them able to mix with cars safely in cites. They currently have 500W motors which would probably need boosted to 750W-1KW for flat cites and 2-3KW for hilly cities.

  6. Actually been to China and seen it by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 5, Informative

    I went to Shanghai and Hangzhou about 18 months ago, and saw this stuff for myself. The newly-built portions of these Chinese cities (ie the ones that used to be open fields 20 years ago or razed slums) have their nice and shiny new roads layed out as follows:
    1. Storefronts
    2. A portion of the sidewalk taken up by space for bikes and electric scooters, with power strips provided by shopkeepers for their customers
    3. Rest of the (wide) sidewalk
    4. Dedicated bike+electric scooter lane, maybe 6-8 feet wide
    5. Small median (~1-2 feet, bigger for bus stops)
    6. Traffic lanes, 4 or more lanes total, sometimes in groups of two or three, sometimes with a set of reversible lanes, sometimes dedicated bus lanes.
    5 downto 1 in reverse order on the other side.

    At almost all intersections, the bike lanes have separate traffic signals (usually overlapping with pedestrian walk signals), and sometime the bike lanes have separate left turn signals which coincide with exclusive left turn signals for the car lanes. If I remember right, the car left and right turn lanes can be either on the interior or exterior of the road and there are signs to indicate which set of lanes allow you to turn which way at the upcoming intersection. This is to deconflict turning vehicles from bikes/pedestrians going straight at the outside of the road.

    Overall, it was a pretty good system. But (especially in Shanghai) you could tell that half the people on the road didn't have an f'ing clue of how to operate a vehicle in traffic, and one time when I was riding a bus, a woman cut of the bus changing from one set of lanes to another (in a way that just wouldn't happen here) and got her rear tail light knocked out.

    The other thing is that this all takes space. You couldn't do it unless you were building from scratch or were willing to knock down large numbers of existing buildings. But the Chinese had to do it this way because maybe only half of their people can afford to own cars, and even fewer back when this was built 20 years ago. So the streets were layed out to accomodate an equal number of people on bicycles and buses/motor vehicles. That's a ready market for electric scooters.

    1. Re:Actually been to China and seen it by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      You couldn't do it unless you were building from scratch or were willing to knock down large numbers of existing buildings.

      Or you take the Dutch approach. Reclaim a lane from the road traffic. Put in place restrictions on driving within the city centre. Prioritise traffic lights for the bicycle flow instead of main traffic flow, and make this ubiquitous across a city.

      When a large portion of the population is doing normal trips on a bicycle you don't need all that space for cars.

  7. Re:A few changes and the Chinese eBikes would be O by mysticgoat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    E-bikes that can exceed 20 mph need to be limited to cyclists who can pass a motorcycle license exam. At 35 mph an e-bike with its smaller tire-to-road surface area and poorer braking behavior is more dangerous than a motorcycle and requires more skill in the instantaneous risk assessment that is critical to safe driving of any vehicle. E-bikes in traffic lanes at faster than pedaling speeds are not only a threat to their riders, they are a hazard to all other drivers on the road.

  8. Re:no showers by radarskiy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Normal human beings do not maintain a racer's pace if they are not actually racing.

    A 3 mph walk will burn ~60 watts, which will get you 9 mph on a bicycle without being any more sweaty than walking for the same amount of time. Do you need a shower after walking from your car into the building where you work?