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NSA Releases New Snowden Documents (vice.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Hundreds of internal NSA documents have been declassified and released to VICE in response to their FOIA lawsuit. They're now sharing them all online, calling it "an extraordinary behind-the-scenes look at the efforts by the NSA, the White House, and US Senator Dianne Feinstein to discredit Snowden [that] call into question aspects of the U.S. government's long-running narrative about Snowden's time at the NSA." The documents officially confirm that Snowden had also worked with the CIA, and show a vigorous internal discussion about how to respond to Snowden's leaks that apparently led the NSA to erroneously assert that Snowden hadn't voiced his objections about the surveillance of U.S. citizens within the NSA before going public.
Living in Russia now, Snowden himself refused to comment on the new releases, with his attorney saying Snowden "believes the NSA is still playing games with selective releases, and [he] therefore chooses not to participate in this effort. He doesn't trust that the intelligence community will operate in good faith."
The EFF is also marking the three-year anniversary of Snowden's leaks, saying they led directly to the first legislation curtailing the NSA's power in over 30 years and changed the way the world perceives government surveillance. Snowden was inspired in part by a desire to keep the internet free, saying in 2014 that "I remember what the Internet was like before it was being watched, and there's never been anything in the history of man that's like it."
Living in Russia now, Snowden himself refused to comment on the new releases, with his attorney saying Snowden "believes the NSA is still playing games with selective releases, and [he] therefore chooses not to participate in this effort. He doesn't trust that the intelligence community will operate in good faith."
The EFF is also marking the three-year anniversary of Snowden's leaks, saying they led directly to the first legislation curtailing the NSA's power in over 30 years and changed the way the world perceives government surveillance. Snowden was inspired in part by a desire to keep the internet free, saying in 2014 that "I remember what the Internet was like before it was being watched, and there's never been anything in the history of man that's like it."
If you don't know what it means, search it.
There was absolutely nothing "erroneous" - it was all an intentional bunch of cover-your-ass lying.
I guess "erroneously assert" is the new "that statement is no longer operative". Nixon should sue for some sort of infringement.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Any efforts to discredit this man are a fucking disgrace that should be called out as such. The founding fathers had a vision. It certainly didn't include anything like the FBI, CIA, or NSA spying on their own countrymen.
Snowden releases NSA documents!
Reading through the Vice article it seems as if Snowden didn't exactly come out and say "I think what we're doing is illegal". It was much more along the lines of him questioning their training on oversight and the boundaries. He was asking questions about the relative priorities of Congressional Law vs Executive Orders.
The thing is, we don't know what was discussed in a couple of the verbal meetings, so he very well could have pointed out that the reason he was asking is the decision that was the foundation for some of the programs was a Classified Executive Order that went against Statute.
He implied as such when he was pointing out the training materials, including some SOPs, were out of date and referred to lapsed or repealed laws.
On the other hand, I'm thinking if he went to the IG and flat out said "Hey, I think these programs I'm working on are illegal", I'm pretty sure the response would have been something along the lines of "you're fired -- allow us to remind you of your NDA and the consequences".
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
Snowden is no more a traitor than any whistle blower who tries to get the government, their employer, etc. to live up to the law and stop breaking the Constitution. The constitution is pretty clear as to what constitutes treason.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Snowden has not carried on a war against the US, nor become a citizen of one of their enemies, nor given them aid and comfort. And before you start prattling on about how Russia or China or Germany has been given "aid and comfort", the US is not at war with any of them.
The CIA, on the other hand, has committed treason on numerous occasions.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
....how does it benefit the American people to disclose that the US is spying on leaders like Angela Merkel?
Because in our Republic, I have a right to know what my government is doing. Because I do not want my government doing something belligerent and when retaliated against, turn to the media and act like some innocent victim of another country's aggression and start a long expensive war that costs thousands and thousands of lives.
Much of the bullshit in the World and violence directed at us - the USA - is the karma that our leaders in the past have committed. We wouldn't be dealing with this Islamic terrorism if it weren't for the fact that our government has been shitting all over those people to secure our oil supplies. And even though new technology has allowed the US to have plenty of domestic oil (although a little pricey compared to World prices - for now), we have to still deal with the hatred towards us.
And we see how effective the propaganda is. We are told the BS story that we are over there "fighting for freedom" when the truth is we are fighting for oil. But regular Joes still believe the lies and condemn folks who understand the geo politics of oil (Carter Doctrine) as being unAmerican or some other name calling - like traitor. And the irony that a Democrat's policies wasn't pointed by conservatives just shows how the American people are gullible and easily manipulated - or choose to be blind so that it fits into their opinion that we stand for Freedom and Truth and our young people aren't dying for just oil
thx.
Why would classified documents be released in response to a FOIA request?
Congress needs to take up a collection and see if they can find a pair of testicles. Personal liability, up to and including prison time, for habitual overclassification would probably reduce scandals like this by 95%.
That right there is the problem. The US sees other countries as ENEMIES. How about being part of the global world and being a friend?
Even the US plays dirty with their "Special friends", first it's the UK, then when they don't play ball (Libya?) it is France... then if that doesn't work, they pick another "special friend".
The US cannot seem to exist WITHOUT ENEMIES.
How about being less of a warmonger?
It is a basic right of all humans to have privacy - in their personal lives, in their communications, in every type of comportment they make be it electronic or otherwise. Edward Snowden is a great crusader for one of the most basic, fundamental human rights that belongs to all: Not just Americans. Not just those who are not foreign leaders. But all.
The surveillance apparatus is an abomination against humanity and must be immediately and permanently dismantled.
Also, the "open Court" is actually what Snowden himself has listed as a condition of returning to the US to stand trial. As of yet, this hasn't been any mention of a guarantee of this by any judicial activists. We all know this will never happen because the CIA/NSA doesn't want their dirty laundry aired to the public anymore.
from TFA: "and US Senator Dianne Feinstein to discredit Snowden" Gee, what else has Feinstein tried to do? Weaken/destroy encryption? Her own staff hacked by the CIA? Repeatedly tried to push bills that empower law enforcement to violate the 4th Amendment? Makes me wonder if the NSA/CIA has some leverage on her, something they know about her, to get her to have such zeal in violating her oath to uphold the Constitution.
While I agree with exposing the spying on US citizens, how does it benefit the American people to disclose that the US is spying on leaders like Angela Merkel?
In the sense that the American people is then informed on what the fuck their government is doing. Knowledge has this funny side effect of forcing responsibility: if you know your leaders are up to no good is up to you to demand solutions. Or not. But that ball is now in your court.
If the docs aren't redacted 16 ways to Sunday they're part of someone's narrative.
Excellent point. Better watch for it - you're now an enemy of the state.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
No one gives a crap what an anonymous coward thinks.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
There is no money in friendship.
I come here for the love
And your handle makes you less anonymous? Post your real name or STFU.
But if we don't recognise how it should work, they don't have to make the effort to ensure it doesn't. If a congress person submitted an impeachment bill on that basis, it would stir up the issue. But they don't, so our lords and masters don't have to make the effort to suppress it.
for what it's worth, the french are notorious for industrial espionage. do you think they aren't trying to steal from Boeing constantly?
Nevertheless, the Russians are still pimping him. He is fully penetrated and has been since long before he "defected" to his true love.
I as self selected representative of thousands of other anonymous cowards beg to disagree.
It's a bloody long article, but here's what caught my eye.
If the OGC lawyer had added "I'm not sure within the context of the training program whether the training slide attests to such a serious misrepresentation, but if it does, you need to suspend teaching this slide immediately" we might all now be in a different place.
The NSA culture in effect seemed to regard providing timely and correct training materials concerning the chain of agency authority as a "best effort" (warranting an administrative follow up) rather than "mission critical" (warranting an internal bow-shot cease and desist).
Hayden's book Playing to the Edge contains tedious chapter upon chapter about endless compliance politics played at the top level, all lawyered up six ways from Sunday, but did the organization deeply communicate the resulting values internally, as forcefully as described by John Kotter in his book Leading Change?
Think You're Communicating Enough? Think Again
If the OGC lawyer had the required ten reminders from on high spilling out of her inbox, she might have gone down the cease and desist track instead, giving Snowden immediate reason to believe that someone on the other side actually gave a shit.
Robert Litt, general counsel of the ODNI:
I would argue here that the other side of "playing close to the edge" is that a single page of unclear training material, if it's the wrong page, is no laughing matter.
Narrow sidelines poorly communicated. What could possibly go wrong?
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
And if the US Government gets ahold of Snowden, these three things are what they will charge, just look at how the definition of "terrorism" has evolved in the last 10 or so years. Most "judges" will accept it.
Snowden can come back and be the stand-up guy that will throw it all away for the slim chance at "justice", but chances are that means living the rest of his life in a Federal Prison. He can talk math with Ted Kaczynski who actually is a dangerous and crazy guy...
Snowden will live out his life in Russia if he is smart, which is a shame. Being an intelligent and educated man, I'm sure his Russian language skills are pretty good at this point.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
I think this is the first time I've ever seen or heard the phrases "intelligence community" and "in good faith" in the same sentence.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
If he was back in the US he would now be a trans calling himself Alisha Snowden.
These releases have shown that the US gov't, at the very least, considers all of it's own citizens as "potential enemies", and treats them as such. Or unindicted criminals living in the community.
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
The founding fathers had a vision. It certainly didn't include anything like the FBI, CIA, or NSA spying on their own countrymen.
George Washington ran a spy ring that spied on both the British and fellow colonists. Benjamin Franklin opened other peoples mail to gather intelligence.
George Washington, Spymaster
Washington took his role as spymaster in chief quite seriously, laying the groundwork for today’s complex intelligence community and recognizing that civilian observation, mobilization and insight was just as important as military might. Without this foresight, the outcome of the Revolutionary War might have been quite different. The war for independence from Great Britain was not just one of battles and firearms, it was one of intelligence. As one defeated British intelligence officer is often quoted as saying, “Washington did not really outfight the British. He simply out-spied us.” -
What do you think General Washington would have done with someone that stole secret war plans of the Continental Army and then fled to a foreign country as General Arnold did? What did they do with spies and traitors?
What was Snowden's real agenda? There really isn't any way to know for sure, is there?
German spies imply Snowden leaked files for Russia
NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden could have been acting under the influence of the Russian government, the heads of Germany's foreign and domestic intelligence agencies said on Friday.
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Any efforts to discredit this man are a fucking disgrace that should be called out as such.
Snowden has admitted his guilt publicly. There isn't any genuine doubt he is guilty of the offenses with which he is charged, and it all could have been avoided if he had gone to Congress. Because of his actions al Qaeda, ISIS, North Korea, and other enemies and adversaries of the US have had direct access to large collections of national defense secrets of the United States, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, France, and others. What a hero.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Snowden would get a fair trial, the problem is that he is actually guilty of the offenses with which he has been charged and the defense he wants to offer isn't legally available.
Too bad he didn't go to Congress instead of the People's Republic of China and Russia with the nearly two million documents he stole,
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
I'm pretty sure I don't recall any Western or European governments being overthrown following the revelations of European governments spying on their citizens, other EU countries, governments and people overseas, or the US.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
And if the US Government gets ahold of Snowden, these three things are what they will charge,
Snowden faces charges under the Espionage Act. He has made public statements that are essentially admissions of guilt.
.....just look at how the definition of "terrorism" has evolved in the last 10 or so years.
Legally not much at all. Rhetorically it is frequently misused on Slashdot.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Thomas Drake
In the waning days and hours of Barak Hussein Obama's failed life and soviet regime he seeks to use every asset to murder Edward Snowden.
Will Obama, on the morning of 20 January 2017 order a special SAC B52H bomber to deliver a nuclear payload to detonate above Moscow, Russia, killing millions only for the purpose of killing one man, Obama's great hatred, Edward Snowden?
William Binney
Probe launched into Pentagon handling of NSA whistleblower evidence
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
No, I am at least willing to back my words with a recurring pseudonym. While you are so craven, you are willing to say any bullshit, and not even tolerate virtual consequences for it. Its just wasted text on Slashdot. I'm just pointing out you're too stupid to realize that.
I don't give a fuck who you think is a traitor. You're hiding under a generic alias; you're magnitudes of cowardice compared to Snowden. Its more cowardly than the Anonymous collective itself, because at least Anonymous delivers a consequence. Even if what you actually say is worth responding to (and most isn't), I'm not going to waste effort on an argument upon what you say (other than point out its worthless) because you have no "stake" in defending your credibility. You're more insignificant than a Social Justice Warrior, because at least those tools are willing to associate what they say to a specific pseudonym. You're probably so stupid, you somehow think you are "safe" by posting under "Anonymous Coward". Anyone who can hack into Slashdot can get your IP, including the Federal government. I'm only wasting my breath here trying to make you realize that what you say can have more value when you can back it with a virtual identity, and thus raise the quality of discourse around here.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
You can beg, but its not going to change people's opinion. Just look out at a city block of beggars or PETA.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
The NSA shills posting as anonymous cowards. Wow.
You don't need to overthrown a government to make it accountable. This is not Game of Thrones.
Putting aside for the moment past grievances against the United States, can you at least acknowledge the possibility that there are people or groups out there with an incompatible world view who refuse to live in peace and instead seek to dominate the entire world?
The US government? Preaching to the choir friend.
The radical Islamists...
Oh...
There is evil in this world that cannot be bargained with or reasoned with.
Simple minded psychopaths that believe "the ends justifies the means" and gobble up retarded nationalistic propaganda by the bucket full?
They understand that use of force is sometimes necessary to preserve our freedoms, even if that means that certain other peoples, the radical Islamists for example, must die. You might not like that, but it's reality. Personally, I don't care if my government has to kill some radical Islamists to ensure our freedoms and preserve the progress of our civilization. The world is already overpopulated anyway so culling these radical Islamists in Syria (aka ISIS), provided that it can be done economically, sounds like an excellent way to thin the herd so to speak.
Gotcha
Don't you think it goes both ways?
Eat the rich.
So, they lied to us about when Snowden told us they were lying to us?
It's too late to be shocked about pretty-much anything these guys say anymore.
Actually there is. It is called long term business partners.
I've dealt with both people that subscribes to the "business is business" mantra when they screw you over and with people willing to not make the best profit as long as they can build something sustainable.
The former part tends disappear after a couple of years. Sometimes they hang around up to a decade but eventually everyone around them realizes that you can't make any money by doing business with them. (There is the odd occasion where they end up in jail, but that isn't the norm, bankruptcy is the norm.)
When dealing with the latter part you can do all kinds of nice deals. When you can be more open with both your customers and distributors you can work around problems on a completely different scale.
for what it's worth, the french are notorious for industrial espionage. do you think they aren't trying to steal from Boeing constantly?
Yep, but I don't see how that is a justification for spying on for example Sweden.
Too bad he didn't go to Congress instead of the People's Republic of China and Russia with the nearly two million documents he stole,
Oh, look. The outed NSA shill is spewing his lies again. How surprising.
Since it wasn't that many years ago most people still remembers that Snowden didn't leak the documents to China or Russia. He leaked them to British and American newspapers so that they could inform the American people of the crimes NSA was committing.
The Congress isn't exactly know for being law abiding.
So, cold fjord. When are you going to realize that the purpose of the government is to work for the people?
How much do they pay you for being an enemy to the people?
Appeal to authority is a common fallacy.
An argument should be able to stand on its own. A truth doesn't become less true just because the source is a known liar.
Appeal to authority is a common fallacy.
How is this applicable to what the anonymous coward (or I) said?
An argument should be able to stand on its own. A truth doesn't become less true just because the source is a known liar.
The problem is that people here aren't putting any effort into their arguments, and that trait is particular to "anonymous cowards". Most human beings innately desire to defend their ideological beliefs, and how they are perceived, but not anonymous cowards, because they possess no identity stake.
Anonymous cowards are not presenting the truth or "arguments". They are mostly shitposting, because they suffer no consequence at all, not even psychological. The way the anonymous cowards are setup here, they are the ultimate trolls. That wouldn't even be bad, if it encouraged intelligent discourse; but its doesn't. I just want to start taking away their warm fuzzy of useless expression, designed to not be defended. Perhaps start teaching people here that posting as an anoymous coward needs to be applied selectively, for an actual argument.
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
TPTB never limits themselves to only one venue of attack
In the case for Snowden, their Wu Mao (fifty cents) team have been burning the midnight oil for the past many moons, and in the comments for this article alone I've counted at least 7 different Wu Mao team members
Hello, Mr. Wu Mao, how are you?
Don't you ever feel tired doing the same thing over and over again?
Please, please get a life
Contrary to what NSA has told you, astroturfing their lies over online forum can never make you a better person
Have an ice day, Wu Mao !
Captcha: ordeal
If The Donald does glom on to the White House [shudder], one of the first things that will happen is that the Freedom of Information Act will be XOed out of existence (then rubber-stamped by a Red majority Supreme Court followed by the GOP-controlled Congress jumping on board to kill it permanently).
Cockroaches despise it when the kitchen light is turned on.
but you are an ac using a shared account
My guess is because he knows he can trust Congress ( or our Government at all for that matter ) as much as the intelligence community to do the right thing ?
Does ANYONE have any faith in our Government to do the right thing ?
You see that is the problem.
Once the Government has been caught in enough lies, no one trusts them. For anything. They only have themselves to blame.
Assume you have dangerous information that shows the Government has been illegally doing X. Your disclosure of it would put a lot of folks in jail, embarass the Nation as a whole and would have worldwide inplications.
Do you bring it up to the very folks who have been committing or authorizing the crime who will do ANYTHING to keep it quiet ?
Or do you use some common sense and release it in a fashion that won't see you imprisoned or missing a few days later ?
I stand with Snowden on his methods because my trust in our Government is long gone.
The US cannot seem to exist WITHOUT ENEMIES.
IMO, this is done for control of the populace's attitudes and opinions. People are compliant and acquiescent to authority when they feel threatened.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
"aid and comfort" doesn't require war or even conflict. I'm not legal professional, but it seems anything that reveals US plans or tactics can be considered aiding the enemy.
If you partners secretary tells you how your business partner is collecting data about you, they just gave you "aid".
He doesn't trust that the intelligence community will operate in good faith.
Spies are not trustworthy by definition.
If your little brother spies on you, do you trust him?
Snowden would get a fair trial, the problem is that he is actually guilty of the offenses with which he has been charged and the defense he wants to offer isn't legally available.
Too bad he didn't go to Congress instead of the People's Republic of China and Russia with the nearly two million documents he stole,
You're more naive than you look, or sound, or our best testing indicates.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
The radical Islamists want to establish a world wide caliphate where everyone either submits to their version of Islam or dies. Dialogue with these people is impossible because they absolutely refuse to renounce this goal and thus no permanent peace with them is possible. These people use peace only as a respite to prepare for their next war to expand the caliphate.
How do you know that? Have you spoken with these people? Or do you know what the media tell you? The media who support the policies of the United States government. The media who are always happy to parrot the official line. The media who sold you the Iraq war.
These days, a little epistemology goes a long way.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
The problem is that people here aren't putting any effort into their arguments, and that trait is particular to "anonymous cowards".
No it isn't, and if you take moderation into consideration posts by anonymous that are shown are typically more thought through than those from pseudonyms since AC posts tend to get downvoted more.
It sounds to me like you group together all AC posts as if they were from the same person.
The Snowden effect was that as of this moment what the NSA (or another agency) is probably still doing has been publicly repudiated by most of Congress.
It might be technically legal within the drive a bus through the loopholes that Congress knowingly included to allow widespread surveillance to continue. But next time it is revealed that the NSA or another government body is still abusing its power to enable widespread dragnet government surveillance, then people will be running for cover because no public court is going to give them quarter under the loophole of a vague law that most of Congress is on the public record saying does not enable widespread surveillance.
When interpreting a vague law, then the public record of the people that voted on it matters.
It isn't the great victory for the Liberty, the Constitution and the rule of law that people were looking for, but right now most of Congress is on the record saying that dragnet surveillance is not allowed under the law and that very much matters.
It also makes it more dangerous for the next person to come along and decide to expose illegal covert activities because people are far more dangerous when they are already working outside the law and they know it.
Snowden would get a fair trial
Give it up, shill. You as well as everyone else know damn well that is a complete lie.
"I remember what the Internet was like before it was being watched, and there's never been anything in the history of man that's like it."
Just goes to show how naive Millennials are, the Internet has always been watched just the same as phone lines have always been tapped and postal mail has been tracked. Everything is new to them, sigh, this once great nation is going down the toilet of the blind crying foul.
It's worth precisely nothing as two wrongs still don't make a right. Why we feel it perfectly OK to forgive such childish attitudes in governments is staggering.
Anonymous cowards are not presenting the truth or "arguments". They are mostly shitposting, because they suffer no consequence at all, not even psychological.
So you're the kind of person who thinks Snowden needs to willingly sacrifice himself to a corrupt government?
The problem is that people here aren't putting any effort into their arguments, and that trait is particular to "anonymous cowards".
This doesn't need a response in a thread with cold fjord.
Most human beings innately desire to defend their ideological beliefs, and how they are perceived, but not anonymous cowards, because they possess no identity stake.
Good. It's a good thing when people can separate themselves from their argument; if they can't, you get the current level of discourse common on the internet, full of idiots who think a counter-argument is a personal attack.
He is not naive. He is perfectly aware that he is lying.
cold fjord has for some reason decided to work against the best interest of the people. It probably pays well.
"In Corporate America, NSA leaks documents on Snowden"
-><- no
Andrea Shepard, Developer
She is why every version of Tails AFTER 1.4.1 is compromised. The last version of Tails that is ok is 1.4.1. Notice it is hard to find. There is a torrent on kat.cr
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140124/10564825981/nsa-interception-action-tor-developers-computer-gets-mysteriously-re-routed-to-virginia.shtml
Andrea Shepard works for the NSA.
Somebody's butthurt that the anonymous cowards have a more interesting personality.
At least between the ones we know.
That is lazy argumentation. Either show up to the debate or go home. Pathetic!
No, most countries are our Frenemies. We don't keep an eye on them just because of what they might do to us, but rather what we sometimes catch them doing.
This is not controversial outside of tinfoil nut butter.
The controversial stuff is the stuff that is not even related to other countries, like domestic surveillance of disputed legality.
That doesn't even attempt to argue against the threat. If both sides are trying to do it, then both sides must remain vigilant in their attempts to defend themselves, and that is going to include attempting to use surveillance to detect breaches.
Just like if there are two bears with bordering territory, and sometimes they wander into the others territory to grab some honey. They don't serve their interests by ignoring the infraction just because they did it too, then they would have to share and the other bear wouldn't. Instead, they're both well-served by trying to defend their border, hopefully using nonviolent posturing and mere threats.
Because they're not perfect saints who are immune from being the source of threats, accidental or intentional.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
Also, they have a history of becoming embroiled in conflicts with Russia, including various incidents during the Cold War, and they don't share information about it. So we need to spy on them just for that reason alone; to prevent WWIII from accidentally breaking out where NATO, Swedish, and Russian borders join.
Does ANYONE have any faith in our Government to do the right thing ?
About 50% do, and which 50% changes every few years following elections.
I'm not asking you to change your views, but please step out of the echo chamber once in awhile and realize that it is only a small closet not the majority of the nation.
I don't always feel butthurt, but when I do I do it anonymously so that I don't have to see the responses in a message queue and be reminded of whatever I said.
lol
A truth doesn't become less true just because the source is a known liar.
True, but a statement from a known liar will often not be evaluated for truth so it won't matter and won't be a fallacy. ;)
"You didn't care what I said" isn't a fallacy.
Fuck you Karma being the reason people attack the US. I could name countless countries with a more devastating, terrible, and unethical history than the USA. I'm a believer in you reap what you sow but if you think that these conflicts are because of our actions than you haven't done you "geo political" homework. This stuff goes way back, like back before the US existed. Just because we are a new player in the game doesn't mean that it's our cause. Correlation != causation.
It's cute how you think it's all about oil, it's about so much more than that. Oil is just the new way of funding the fight, it has nothing to do with the underlining of why the fight exists. But then you would have to stop watching the news and open up history books older than the last New York Times best seller to study the history of these countries and who's fighting and for what ideology.
When did he got to war with the US? Never. When did he join enemies of the US? Never. When did he give aid and comfort to enemies of the US? Never.
Who are the enemies of the US right now? Al-Qaeda, ISIL, the Taliban. Snowden hasn't been involved with any of them.
Or if you look at it another way, when was the last time Congress voted to go to war? 1942. No state of war exists right now, just a lot of "military actions."
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
And who is the US formally at war with? Nobody. The last formal declaration of war was in 1942.
There is no country that the US is at war with. No country that is an enemy of the US. He hasn't even helped the entities the US is taking military actions against, such as al-Qaeda, ISIL, or the Taliban. To the contrary, he gave the information to allies of the United States.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Not defending the NSA, but why haven't more people working at the NSA disclosed more information and flee to a country that won't extradite?
Please point to evidence of an unfair trial in any previous TS information leak trial.
I am sure the supreme court would love to hear about someone not getting their constitutionally mandated fair trial rights.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Who is apparently free. What was your point? Did he get an unfair trial in your eyes?.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
After he left the NSA in 2001, Binney was one of several people investigated as part of an inquiry into the 2005 New York Times exposé[12][13] on the agency’s warrantless eavesdropping program. Binney was cleared of wrongdoing after three interviews with FBI agents beginning in March 2007, but in July 2007, in an unannounced armed raid, the FBI confiscated a desktop computer, disks, and personal and business records. The NSA revoked his security clearance, forcing him to close a business he ran with former colleagues at a loss of a reported $300,000 in annual income. In 2012, Binney and his co-plaintiffs went to federal court to retrieve the confiscated items.[14]
So, he was investigated, and had a warrant taken out, but ultimately cleared and had his property returned.. Sounds like a pretty damn good example of a fair trial to me.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
2002, probably more recent, but I don't feel like looking up is Syria or Libya were authorized by congress.
It isn't called a declaration of war as that is no longer the in vogue name of the declarations.
Technically, you could also claim that the US is still at war with North Korea...they seem to still believe we are at war at least...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
No, they were not declared as acts of war by congress. Too lazy to look at the link to the government's own records? There have been no declarations of war since 1942. None. Zip. Nada. Vide. Nul. Rien. Without a declaration of war, they're not officially enemies, so treason doesn't apply.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Plus, he gave them to allies, not enemies in any sense of the word. Something is wrong when giving your allies information is seen as treason.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.