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EU Exploring Idea of Using Government ID Cards As Mandatory Online Logins (softpedia.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via Softpedia: Fears that fake online reviews might ruin the consumer market and damage legitimate businesses are making the European Commission consider the idea of forcing all EU citizens to log into online accounts using their government-issued ID cards. Details about these plans can be found in a proposal named "Online Platforms and the Digital Single Market Opportunities and Challenges," announced on May 25, 2016. According to this document, "online platforms should accept credentials issued or recognized by national public authorities, such as electronic or mobile IDs, national identity cards, or bank cards." The reasoning, according to the EU, is that "online ratings and reviews of goods and services are helpful and empowering to consumers, but they need to be trustworthy and free from any bias or manipulation. A prominent example is fake reviews."

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  1. Brexit by JustNiz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Any British citizens that don't vote for Brexit with this sort of shit going on must be masochists.

    1. Re:Brexit by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      THEY ARE EXPLORING THE IDEA.

      It is still disturbing that they considered mandatory online IDs to be an idea worth exploring. The Wannsee Conference was also just some European leaders exploring ideas.

    2. Re:Brexit by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless they have seen the cameras everywhere and have worked out that the UK government is all for that much tracking and more.
      This issue is completely unrelated to Brexit for better or worse.

    3. Re:Brexit by EEPROMS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your do realise that if the UK left the EU they could initiate free trade deals that do actually help the UK's economy. As it stands right now a bunch of socialist wingnuts in the EU are blocking free trade deals because they want to protect every buggy whip maker they represent.

    4. Re:Brexit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      THEY ARE EXPLORING THE IDEA.

      It is still disturbing that they considered mandatory online IDs to be an idea worth exploring. The Wannsee Conference was also just some European leaders exploring ideas.

      Actually, the disturbing part is to try to understand how the article on slashdot speaks of "mandatory online ID" when the initial paragraph in the EU commission pdf is:

      In order to empower consumers and to safeguard principles of competition, consumer protection and data protection, the Commission will further promote interoperability actions, including through issuing principles and guidance on eID interoperability at the latest by 2017. The aim will be to encourage online platforms to recognise other eID means — in particular those notified under the eIDAS Regulation39 — that offer the same reassurance as their own.

      The document also contains some stuff like

      in order to keep identification simple and secure, consumers should be able to choose the credentials by which they want to identify or authenticate themselves

      Someone somewhere in the path between slashdot and the EU commission must have some reading comprehension problems. Or maybe it's misrepresented on purpose.

  2. For the reviews... by m0hawk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First they came for the reviews, and I did not speak out,
    Then they came for the online blogs, and I did not speak out,
    Then they came for the shoppers, and I did not speak out,
    Then they came for slashdotters, and I did not speak out,
    And there was nobody left to speak for me.

    1. Re:For the reviews... by Cytotoxic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is basically my take. Remember all those folks who kept denigrating any argument against privacy intrusions as a "slippery slope fallacy?" Well, welcome to the bottom of the slippery slope. We've seen some similar rumblings in the US from time to time. Oddly, in the political arena there seems to be a large coalition that believes that all speech should be verifiable as to authorship - an area where anonymous speech has a long and important tradition. Actually, political speech is really the main reason that free speech has to be included in national founding documents.

      Even more oddly, the same folks who beat the drums for this ID requirement seem to find the notion of proving your identity in order to vote an abomination.

      I really can't figure out what people are thinking these days on this topic. All I know is that even a whiff of this sort of thing prior to the 1990's would have gotten you drummed off the stage. The image of "show me your papers" or a national ID card was the symbol of everything that was wrong about Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. I guess we've forgotten what that was like.

      Slashdot proves that an online community can form with ID's completely independent of real world identity and still provide all of the credibility checks that real-world communities provide. I'm not sure why anyone would entertain these ideas.

  3. It's not the government's job by stephenmac7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to make sure reviews are accurate. They aren't (nor should they be) the ones running the websites which record and display these reviews. Those websites are the ones who are responsible for making sure the reviews are real. The ones who do the best job are most likely to gain the most users.

    It's called the free market. Let it happen, EU.

    Of course I'm completely aware that review quality is not the reason behind this proposition, but it makes no sense that they would think that such a justification would make sense.

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  4. why do governments have to get involved? by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Amazon or eBay or Google wanted to adopt true name policies for online reviews, they could already do that (in fact, a few of them have "verified identities" and identify reviews with them). No national ID is needed, they just get it from the credit card info and verifying purchases. Obviously, they have decided that allowing pseudonymous reviews is better.

    And unless you are a total idiot (like, apparently, Eurocrats are), you ought to be able to distinguish fake from true reviews fairly easily.

    1. Re:why do governments have to get involved? by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why do governments have to get involved?

      So if someone online is making a politician's life miserable by pointing out his lies and broken promises, they can track him down and toss him in jail on trumped up charges as a way to shut him up.

      I'll invoke the dogfooding rule here. If the government thinks this is such a great idea, why don't they go first. Require every staffer, speech writer, letter responder, etc. to attach their real name to everything they write. Someone decides your tax return is wrong? He has to attach is real name to the report. Every trial balloon that's floated? Has to have the political manager's name attached. All politicians' votes must be recorded too - no more voice votes. Try that for 5-10 years and if they don't mind, only then should you try it with the general public.

  5. Is Merkel a Jew? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is Hollander a Jew?

    You guys are despicable, totally despicable

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    1. Re:Is Merkel a Jew? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire

  6. Re:The Euros just don't get freedom by Entrope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't worry -- as evidenced in comments earlier about Ted Cruz's DNS stewardship bill, European elites would *never* do something like limit Europeans' online rights over something like criticizing religious zealots (Germany), or use their security apparatus to snoop virtually all Internet activity (UK), or outlaw the use of encryption (France), or require a three-strikes policy where someone can allege you pirated things three times to ban you from the Internet (France again). Only the American government does things like that. European governments are enlightened!</sarc>

  7. Re: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Shut the fuck up!!!

  8. Europe, the New China by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... While I think that, since we're all carrying chip & pin cards, that they should be useable as login credentials, they should not, in any way, be mandatory ...

    Why don't we go all the way back, and make people wearing the Star of David for easy identification?

    Europe criticizes China when the Communist Regime mandated that everyone who register for their weibo services must use their real name

    The European parliament mourned for the loss of free speech in China, and poured money to support 'Chinese dissidents', even to the tune of awarding the noble prize to a certain Chinese writer (I read his books, in the Mandarin language, they were pure trash) just because he happens to be a 'Chinese dissident'

    And no, I am not a supporter of the Communist Regime of China. I was an opponent of the CCP, and still am

    The thing is, if Europe criticized China for the death of freedom they (Europeans) better don't repeat what the CCP has done

    sigh!

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    1. Re:Europe, the New China by Pentium100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't get it - the reason EU criticizes China or Russia for lack of freedom is not actually because it wants the people to have freedom. The problem with China for the EU is that it's not EU that is tracking the people of China.

      Thy said that in the USSR you were tracked by KGB - I'm sure the KGB did not even dream of the tracking capabilities of modern "democratic freedom-loving" governments of today.

      One day the EU will be renamed to Democratic Union of Free Democratic European Republics for Freedom and Democracy.

    2. Re:Europe, the New China by Pentium100 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They didn't have the technology to data-mine. Even if all TVs were bugged, you would still need a lot of people actually listening - no speech recognition or automatic flagging of "interesting" recordings.

      So, they had to choose who to bug, even tapping all phone conversations (could be easily done technologically back then) would require a lot of manpower.

      And now we have - speech recognition, data mining for phone conversations and text messages. A lot of information put online on facebook and similar by the people themselves. Bugged PCs, cell phones with location tracking and so on.

      To accomplish that in the 1970s or 80s would probably have required the KGB to be big enough to become a nation on its own.

  9. Muh profits by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Terrorism, drugs, pornography and other criminal activities were not enough to justify this. But threaten the bottom line of big business and suddenly Something Must Be Done.

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  10. Re:Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The cure is worse than the disease, and Orwell would be really shocked.

    We have Fahrenheit 451, 1984, Brave new World and THX all in one huge pot controlled by a few in Brussels that in turn are controlled by lobbyists.

    I'm starting to think that Brexit is a great idea.

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  11. Re:Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! by Calydor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please.

    They will make this system, and they will make it optional.

    For a while.

    Then to 'streamline' and 'improve efficiency' it will be harder and harder to do anything online from the EU without using that system.

    Eight, ten years down the line it WILL be mandatory because no ISPs will be left that don't require it to let you connect - but from a LEGAL standpoint it is still 'optional'.

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  12. Re:Death to anonyminity by johannesg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course it solves everything, since the purpose is the destruction of unwanted opinion. Anything they don't like (such as cricicism of the EU, immigration, islam, etc.) and wham - it's hate speech, and you are gone. Disappeared from the internet, which in this day and age of electronic communication is about as good as being disappeared to Siberia.

    Did you think Juncker was joking when he said he would do _everything_ before 'allowing' a right-wing party to govern in any European nation?

    Internet has been the uncontrolled factor, the thorn in the globalists hide, the one thing they couldn't get their fingers on. It allowed people to discuss and organize themselves, away from their control zones. And here we have the first attempt at putting an end to all that. If we allow this, we will be their slaves for all eternity.

    We desperately need a bill of rights in Europe, and it needs to contain things like the right to privacy and the right to anonimity.

  13. Re: Death to anonyminity by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Europe, or rather, the EU, in its current form, is not really much more than a concentration of bribes. Instead of having to bribe a lot of small nations, you have an easy central hub where to insert your bribes.

    Aside of that, there is little benefit.

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  14. Re: Death to anonyminity by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Riiiight. I suppose the vacuum manufacturers who complained bitterly about the new EU regulations and mandatory testing/labelling standards that finally allowed consumers to accurately compare models just didn't bribe them enough to avoid getting it passed.

    And poor Microsoft, fined billions of Euros over the years, surely it would have been cheaper to just up their bribe budget a little. Maybe once the scandal broke in the US, it became impossible for VW to maintain it's on-going bribery that allowed it to cheat on emissions. Those mobile phone companies too, surely the losses from having to remove ridiculous roaming fees must outweigh the size of the bribe the EU demanded... If not, clearly the EU is doing bribery wrong.

    What really surprises me is that Switzerland, a country with plenty of money and a history of dodgy dealing, didn't manage to bribe its way into the EU's financial markets. They tried to negotiate a deal but the EU wouldn't make any concessions on banking rules, so I guess the brown envelope just wasn't fat enough.

    Hmm, none of this makes much sense. Could it be that the EU isn't totally corrupt?!

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  15. Suspicious timing by amias · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With the UK in the thrall of EU referendum I can't help think this would be a non story at any other time.

    Its alarming how keen the media is to stoke racist devisions , please treat them with the suspicion they are trying to make you feel about other races instead of accepting it as valid.

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  16. Re:Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then explain how the regulations regarding curving of cucumbers ended into a legislation in the EU

    The country which pushed it through (the UK, so it's deeply ironic that the Brexiters keep bringing it up) already had various regulations governing the appearance of Class I, Class II and Class III vegetables. So did the rest of the EU, but as always everyone had different regulations.

    The so-called silly regulations simply made them the same Europe wide, so what was a class I banana in England could be sold as a Class I one in Germany.

    So tell me, what's worse, having 1 rule about the curvature of bannnannanaas or having 28 different and incompatible rules across 28 countries that trade a lot?

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  17. Re:Death to anonyminity by MitchDev · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plus, the next data breach, everyone has your official government password!