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Four Newly Discovered Elements Receive Names (theverge.com)
Press2ToContinue quotes a report from The Verge: The proposed names for recently discovered superheavy elements are: Nihonium and symbol Nh, for the element 113; Moscovium and symbol Mc, for the element 115; Tennessine and symbol Ts, for the element 117; Oganesson and symbol Og, for the element 118. This isn't finalized. Not sure I even like some of these, and maybe you feel the same way. Above are the proposed names that will substitute for the current placeholders (e.g., ununpentium, ununseptium). Nilhonium, Moscovium, and Tennesine are all named for places; Oganessen is named for the Russian physicist Yuri Oganessian. But we have until November to lobby for other names. Here's a chance to go down in history and name an element on the periodic table. How about naming one Elementy McElementface?
Oganesson and symbol Og
So THAT is what they mean when they say someone is the "OG"...
Element 115 should be named Elerium, of course http://www.ufopaedia.org/index...
Elements being named after locations is not exactly new, so I don't understand the submitters whining.
Terbium, Holmium, Ytterbium, Erbium, Thulium, Lutetium, Hassium... The list goes on...
Just so all the non-Americans can have something else to whinge about besides Aluminum.
This article is tagged Japan because "Nihonium takes its name from the Japanese name for Japan and was the first new element discovered there, at the RIKEN lab." ( http://www.popsci.com/four-new... )
I should put something clever here. Maybe someday.
Most natural elements are not known from most people (Rubidium, a.n. 37, 16th most abundant on Earth...) ; these super heavy elements need names, but that's for the physicists and other inner circles interested in physics.
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New Elements Named - Periodic Table of Videos :
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. . . .otherwise, one of the newly named elements would be. . .
"Elementy McElementface"
(grin)
How about naming one Elementy McElementfaceium?
FTFY
I miss OGG the open source caveman.
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And still no Daltonium. It's simply wrong that the scientist who first came up with the modern concept of what an element actually is (and which led to the periodic table itself) is ignored while far less known names get the honour.
Come on, if you're going to insert letters the element's name, at least call it "Nihilonium" - an element that doesn't care whether anything continues to exist or not. ;)
Maybe, but I can barely make out what you're saying because your horse is too high.
They'll probably just get reclassified as dwarf elements one day.
Sounds like that element has a half-life of 10 years.
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AMD should've made a lightweight CPU using ununpentium instead of Silicon.
Wow, reading into things much?
Maybe, but I can barely make out what you're saying because your horse is too high.
There should ALWAYS be a Cowboy Neal option in there.
They were going to name the first one 'vaccium', but there was concern that liberals would reflexively protest against it on the assumption that it had something to do with antibodies.
Why do we need names, beyond calling them element-n, it makes learning simpler.
Because "Element 26-Man" just doesn't have that ring to it.
Memorizing a list of properties by number is just as hard as memorizing a list of properties by name. :D
I'd say we have to make the names descriptive of an elements property.
E.g. Gold would be: 'YellowyExpensium', Oxygen: 'BreathGasium' or what about 'FunnyVoicium' for Helium?
But what would Gaspodium be? The Alchemists Guild wants to know!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
Just because your own knowledge of a word ends with the greek origin doesn't mean that the word itself didn't enter the greek language itself as a foreign word.
When I'm president, all new elements will be named after me and it will be tremendous. They will be classy, classy elements. Not loser elements like Nihonium.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I guess this petition never had a high chance of succeeding, but it's still a pity we're not going to have octarine in the periodic table.
Yes, I don't know what's wrong with names like ununseptium, at least you can remember them. It's not like people need catchy names for them when they use them in the kitchen. As far as I know, they only exist (briefly) because scientists like to go "hey, quick, come and look, I managed to make one with 117 protons!"
If anything gets named after the Alchemists Guild, it'd be something more volatile than FOOF, and it'd be called Explodium or Disintegratium...
Well,...since the placeholder names start with "unun", how about:
Unty McUntface.
I can't see anything wrong with that.
So that people can look at it on the Periodic table and exclaim "What is this even doing here?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
But what would Gaspodium be? The Alchemists Guild wants to know!
Gaspodium? I think that's what she said.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
In which of the European Union's 24 official languages at last count should a name for something discovered in Europe be meaningful? I think they choose Greek because it's the oldest European civilization to have become literate, with whose history Europeans speaking one of the other 23 languages are expected to be familiar.
And ... who would care?
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Agreed. The Greeks were actually *smart* people. They gave things names that were descriptive in their own language. We are *dumb* people, we give things names in dead languages. -- For every new word that no one can understand and thus easily recall, everyone is made proportionally dumber.
No, we give things names in "universal" languages. What language would you have people use? English? Japanese? Chinese? Russian? Other?
By using a "dead" language, we allow it to have a universal label that's applicable everywhere, but also a local tag as well. In English we have "maple trees", but in (e.g.) Germany and Japan they call them something else, but everyone can refer to the "Acer genus", and then a specific species therein:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Acer_species
How many different names are there for "gold"? By referring to it as "aurum" it has a universal label that everyone can memorize once (in addition to the label of their locale).
Yeah, it decays into lower elements like Redditium. One of the forms this happens is the so called slashdot beta decay.
I mean, Lemmy Kilmister was/is a legend, and these new elements are heavy metals, right?
Relax. 99% of new element names are $town+ium. Even $researcher_name+ium fell out of use.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
We associated the idea of descriptive names with other cultures, and do not call our daughters things like "cloud-flower" (although we do use Fern, Ivy, April, etc).
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Personally, I want live long enough to experience the discovery of "Unobtanium"
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... it's elementary!
Oh, I'm sorry sir, I thought you were referring to me, Mr. Wensleydale.
http://iupac.org/elements.html
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
Let the Internet decide to name the newly discovered elements. Like we did Boaty McBoatface.
Indeed. What could possibly go wrong.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
Yodadium
Vaderium
Lukium
Reynium
We associated the idea of descriptive names with other cultures, and do not call our daughters things like "cloud-flower" (although we do use Fern, Ivy, April, etc).
I have a sister-in-law whose name means "first leaf". She was so named because she was born in the spring. I had a scout master whose name means "big mouth" because he cried a lot as a newborn. My sister's friend has a name which means "peace" because of her disposition as a newborn. Just because in the US we rarely use descriptive names doesn't mean they are out of fashion elsewhere.
So the word "Testicles" is meaningless to you?
C|N>K
heck, most of my hobby stuff is made of it. I need a big block to whittle more parts from.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Well had I followed this naming scheme my first one would have probably been named "cries but doesn't eat". The second one may have been named angry shitcannon though.
Time to offend someone
Only if one is found to be a room temperature superconductor; even for a few ms.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
So we should call them all "gonein60seconds"?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I've seen the first MBFGW. A lot of words are related to Greek, but Michael Constantine's character in that movie was also very good at finding false cognates to Greek. The same is true of Isaac Mozeson with Hebrew, or Joseph Greenberg and Merritt Ruhlen with everything else.
Well done! You've earned a cookie!
Apart from trying to make a funny, do you have any grounds for disputing or refining the current definition of an "element" in a way that would leave these as not being "elements"?
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Apart from trying to make a funny, do you have any grounds for disputing or refining the current definition of an "element" in a way that would leave these as not being "elements"?
The analogy is that unstable elements are like the asteroids or Kuiper belt. When you discover the first ones, it is all very exciting, and their names become famous.
Periodic tables get updated.
But after a while it becomes apparent that there are thousands of them, and they just get numbers. Everybody knows Pluto and Plutonium, but after that it gets a bit fuzzy. Even nerds might know just one asteroid.
You can make Plutonium or Americinium in industrial quantities, but the "discovery" of #118 was indirect evidence of the death of just a few atoms, with a half-life of less than a millisecond.
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Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs
And all vertebrates are fish?
Errr, no - so far 118 elements, with several thousand isotopes. Minor plants, well over 100 thousand so far, with about 10000 named ones. Three so far that have been closely inspected by robots (one still under inspection - Ceres).
Didn't you read the sign above the door - "News for Nerds"? You obviously don't know many astronomy nerds.
Yes, I did read the papers at th time of discovery. Fascinating time-of-flight chemistry to confirm some of the chemical properties in the milliseconds available. And that makes their binary state (existent or non-existent) different somehow? They exist.
All vertebrates (arguably excluding tunicates - very arguably) which have crania (skulls; excludes Amphioxus and possibly Haikouella and cognates), and jaws (excluding the hundreds of species of agnathan fish, including a handful of fossils in my collection from Achannaras, as well as the extant lampreys and hagfish), and true bone (as opposed to cartilage) as a structural support for their bodies, are fish. That includes, you, me, the dinosaurs in the trees and the whale-relatives walking the plains of the Serengeti and the coelacanths off the coasts of Madagascar and Indonesia. But not the sharks, skates and rays.
Didn't you learn any biology in school?
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
Explaining jokes to Aspies never ends well. :)
What jokes?
Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
They're all in that weird category of incredibly short-lived, toxic and radioactive elements, but the names ought to be simple and memorable. It would really cheese off the British scientific establishment if we could get one named David Attenborough.