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First Batch Of Chromebooks Reach End Of Life, To Stop Receiving Support and Updates (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader shares a BetaNews report:The original Chromebooks launched back in 2011 are reaching the end of their support cycle. With Google offering a fairly generous five years of support and updates, users have had a good run, but the Samsung Series 5 Chromebook is the first device to drop off the support list. Having been launched in August 2011, Acer AC700 Chromebook will be in a similar position in a couple of months. Google says that after five years, automatic updates are "no longer guaranteed". Interestingly, it has continued to provide updates to at least one of its own device that originated in 2010. It's not entirely clear what will happen by the end of this month, but if the company sticks to how it handles its smartphones, you should be worried.

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  1. Time to try out Linux on that laptop by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hear there are lots of distros to choose from.

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    1. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Don't these "Chromebooks" only have tiny 32GB SSDs?

    2. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most distros only take a few gig of space at most.

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    3. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, but the thing is... If you're using a Chromebook, you're not using anything that is going to be needing all that much (Think what an RPi can do for people...the same can be said for a Chromebook)- on top of the fact that you can install Chrome/Chromium on the image, be supported and still have your Crhome experience. There's even a Community supported ChromeOS version.

    4. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The RAM and CPU are usually BGA; the SSD is complex and prohibitive to BGA, so they use an MSATA. You can always pop in a 256GB Samsung EVO 850.

    5. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The SSD shouldn't matter too much. That they're often ARM laptops with non-free hardware (video/wireless/touchpad, notably) is going to be a bigger issue.

      I run CentOS 7 on my "chromebook" but it's an i3-based unit. And even at that, I have a bunch of customization on there to make the kernel/touchpad/video stable.

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    6. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Modern Atom CPU have eMMC support and that might be used rather often even on laptops. I'm thinking of small Windows 10 laptops in particular, they're like tablet hardware in a netbook case.
      So some laptops models or a tiny desktop may have a 32GB mSATA in there but you absolutely have to check for it.

    7. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by allo · · Score: 1

      My PC has a 30 GB SSD for my system drive and only 20 GB are used with a lot of programs installed.

    8. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by uassholes · · Score: 1

      ARM is good. I have Ubuntu on an HP 14 based on the Nvidia Tegra K1, so I can do math with CUDA.

    9. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by I75BJC · · Score: 1

      The original ACER 11.6" came with an actual hard disk drive which could be replaced. The HDD permitted a side-loading of a Linux distro and choosing at boot time whether to run ChromeOS or Linux. It was a really neat tool/toy and I knew EEs who used the ACERs for running Linux on a light platform. The original ACER memory could also be upgraded. So some had HDDs and some had SSDs.

    10. Re:Time to try out Linux on that laptop by tepples · · Score: 1

      The problem with running a "distro" on a Chromebook is that every time you turn it on, it displays a screen for 30 seconds that "OS verification is turned off", inviting the user to wipe the drive and reenable OS verification. Ostensibly this is to preserve the perception that a Chromebook is secure from the OS on up, but the design of the UI encourages unwitting people to wipe the thing on accident. You can press Ctrl+D to skip the 30-second wait, but if someone else turns it on, any data that you haven't yet committed is toast, and you are out the use of the machine until you return to another machine on which to make reinstallation media.

  2. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I buy Chromebooks to serve as disposable laptops for 1-2 years. In practice: I replace mine once every 1-2 years with something newer/shinier. I don't see the problem with this.

    It's because of people like you that we're overrun by hardware in dumps all over the world.

  3. Re:Worried? by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we were talking 2001, I would be inclined to agree. But these computers are only 5 years old. The socks I'm wearing are older than that.

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  4. Fairly generous? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since when is five years considered fairly generous? Surely that would be the absolute minimum for supporting any software, let alone an operating system.

    My aging Windows 7 notebook is still getting support, and will continue to be supported for quite some time now that I have done the free upgrade to Windows 10. Hell, even the old Vista notebooks that were passed on to me still get updates, although Windows Update is incredibly slow on them so I can't let it automatically check for them.

    1. Re:Fairly generous? by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For comparison, MS only ended support for Windows XP in 2014. That was over 12 years after its release.

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    2. Re:Fairly generous? by ThosLives · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree - as a consumer it would be great to see computers (and electronics in general, including software) have to provide the same support lifetimes as, say, automobiles or aircraft. (I admit I don't know how much of this is regulation and how much is de-facto in those industries; e.g., you wouldn't last long as an auto manufacturer if you repair parts for your car were unavailable after 5 years.)

      It's kind of a shame that other industries have product support regulations, but software / computers don't seem to.

      From a developer standpoint though, I can see this being a bit of a pain, because the trend now is so much for "disposable" short-term development cycles, rather than developing for the long-term. Part of the tradeoff between fast dev cycles and robustness. I think we've swung a bit too far to the "rapid" side of things, and need to go a little ways back to robust.

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    3. Re:Fairly generous? by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has a paid reason to continue support long past popular support for a product wanes. Hardware vendors on the other hand have an anti-incentive to provide long term support for their products. If you had paid support for Google to continue supporting blah blah, into the future, they probably would.

      The hardware these systems run on have long run their course and have been recycled. There weren't many 14 year old XP machines that came out of the factory running XP still around during EOL. Buy new hardware, and you'll still have Chromeos, just not the same Chromeos supported on old hardware. In Accounting, most computer hardware has a 2-3 year depreciation for a reason.

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    4. Re:Fairly generous? by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Since they're giving it away for the time being anyhow, I wonder if MS would consider getting Google's goat by offering free Windows 10 for these things. I've not used a Chromebook so perhaps the hardware is too thin, but it is funny to imagine.

    5. Re:Fairly generous? by sid+crimson · · Score: 1

      >> have to provide the same support lifetimes as, say, automobiles or aircraft.

      The thing is, new Chromebooks don't cost what new cars or new airplanes cost. If we regulate this, should we expect $200 Chromebooks to become $20,000 Chromebooks?

    6. Re:Fairly generous? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      They're still supporting ChromeOS, last I heard. What they're not supporting is some older hardware. That's fairly common in the industry, with driver updates etc frozen after a certain number of years, and more recent major operating system updates unavailable for older machines.

      Even Apple does this; they usually (but not always) ensure new versions of Mac OS X run on Macs a little over five years old, but not much older.

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    7. Re:Fairly generous? by 0ld_d0g · · Score: 1

      Well, it will continue to work, I doubt you're going to be at that much risk anyway.

    8. Re:Fairly generous? by Solandri · · Score: 1

      Mainstream support for XP ended in 2009 - 5 years.

      Extended support was available until 2014, but that basically means security updates, they keep the online help pages online, and you can pay them if you want their help troubleshooting something.

      It looks like Microsoft guarantees security updates for 10 years, but stops other updates after 5 years. Google OTOH doesn't guarantee updates (security or otherwise) after 5 years, but so far has still been providing them. Six of one, a half dozen of the other.

    9. Re:Fairly generous? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      For comparison, MS only ended support for Windows XP in 2014. That was over 12 years after its release.

      That is not the norm in the industry. Microsoft's OS is incredibly popular and thus skewed perception but part of their massive support has been their laggard release cycle and the inability for old hardware to run new software. This has died after Windows 7. Don't expect ANY Microsoft product to ever have that level of support again outside of their server software. They've already announced the EOL for Windows 8 for only 6 years after release, and extended support (security fixes only, no service pack, no non-paid support) to last 10 years.

      Apple? Well Snow Leopard stopped receiving even security updates in under 5 years.

    10. Re:Fairly generous? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      In Accounting, most computer hardware has a 2-3 year depreciation for a reason.

      And that reason is mostly that 20 years ago the useful working lifetime for a PC before either a significant hardware failure or a cost-effective major upgrade actually was around 3 years.

      However, that hasn't been true for at least a decade, with increasing reliability of hardware and reducing real world benefits to upgrading so often unless your hardware did already fail. I don't work with any accountants who would assume such a short lifetime for depreciation purposes today.

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    11. Re:Fairly generous? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      XP came out in 2001, stupid. Try trolling again.

    12. Re:Fairly generous? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Hardware vendors on the other hand have an anti-incentive to provide long term support for their products.

      Then explain why iOS and OS X offer one of the longest upgrade support timelines for any given Device, if not the longest, since Apple considers themselves first-and-foremost a Hardware company.

    13. Re:Fairly generous? by macs4all · · Score: 2

      Apple? Well Snow Leopard stopped receiving even security updates in under 5 years.

      Yes, but they also provided a FREE "way out" of that.

      Essentially, Any Mac that can run OS X Snow Leopard can be Upgraded to the Current OS X Release, 10.11, El Capitan, for FREE. And it will run it just fine. May even be a little faster... Due to hardware limitations, some newer features may not be present; but the OS will run and install. And be supported...

      In fact, that's what drove MS to make Windows 10 "Free". Apple had already been doing it for the past 3 Major OS Releases. (Since 10.9 "Mavericks").

    14. Re:Fairly generous? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Even Apple does this; they usually (but not always) ensure new versions of Mac OS X run on Macs a little over five years old, but not much older.

      Really? You can install and run OS X 10.11 El Capitan (the most recent OS X rev.) on Macs back to 2007. 2016 - 2007 is NINE years, nearly double what you said.

      Yes, hardware limitations may make certain features unavailable; but at least Apple is TRYING.

      And keep in mind, Apple is first and foremost a Hardware company; so it is actually NOT in their best "profit" interests to extend support to models nearly a DECADE old, now is it? So, perhaps they actually DO care about their Users a bit more than Google, eh?

    15. Re:Fairly generous? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Wow, just wow.

      Dude, you need to get out more.

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    16. Re:Fairly generous? by breeze95 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In Accounting, most computer hardware has a 2-3 year depreciation for a reason.

      And that reason is mostly that 20 years ago the useful working lifetime for a PC before either a significant hardware failure or a cost-effective major upgrade actually was around 3 years.

      However, that hasn't been true for at least a decade, with increasing reliability of hardware and reducing real world benefits to upgrading so often unless your hardware did already fail. I don't work with any accountants who would assume such a short lifetime for depreciation purposes today.

      The IRS allows for a 5 year depreciation on computers and peripheral equipment. Therefore, companies use a 5 year depreciation on most computers and equipment.

    17. Re:Fairly generous? by youngatheart · · Score: 1

      What I'd like is a legal requirement to submit software code and reproducible compiling requirements to the library of congress in order to be sold, even if a service. There would be a five year waiting period after the end of support before the code and requirements would become public domain.

      I'd like to see the same basic idea, specs and designs would be submitted to the library of congress with the same basic guarantee, if it becomes unsupported for a period of five years, it becomes public domain.

      The problem with these ideas is that the definition of supported would have to be somewhat beefed up since Windows 3.1 could still be "supported" just without any bug fixes or security updates or available staff to handle issues. Ditto for the Model-T. The (perhaps impossible) trick would be setting up clauses that allow traditional copyright and patents and at the same time defining support as something that fixes discovered problems.

    18. Re:Fairly generous? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      In fact, that's what drove MS to make Windows 10 "Free".

      Causality fail. Major major causality fail.

    19. Re:Fairly generous? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      In fact, that's what drove MS to make Windows 10 "Free".

      Causality fail. Major major causality fail.

      Wanna Bet?

      Or do you think it was because Linux has been Free for, um, FOREVER?

      So, if not from pressure because OS X became free, then you tell me why?

    20. Re:Fairly generous? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yes I'll gladly bet. Unless you think that Microsoft was copying an OS strategy from a company with a totally different business model with a different cadence cycle, which isn't in direct competition due to restrictions in where their OS can be installed, and which had a different upgrade strategy.

      Microsoft went to a free model because their old model of selling OSes that drove PC upgrades doesn't work in the "good enough" world of PCs where people start working on other platforms. Their move to free wasn't influenced by OSX or Linux even in the slightest, but directly influenced by a) Android and iOS which is the market they are trying to get into, and b) their Windows 10 on every device regardless of form factor strategy which forces them to offer free or incredibly cheap upgrades in order to push their "look at us how inter-operable we are across platforms" agenda, which was the only feature Windows mobile brought to the market.

      Sorry but your almighty lord of the turtlenecks had zero to do with this

    21. Re:Fairly generous? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Once again, a bunch more misinformation from the major Apple shill and liar macs4all. It really depends on which Mac. If you have a Macbook it better be from 2009 or newer, so when El Capitan came out in 2015 you've got... SIX years. Even if you count the iMac which is supported back to 2007 you've only got EIGHT years since El Capitan was released in 2015.

      And besides, Apple is not a hardware company, at least any more. They barely make computers anymore anyway. They are all about skimming money off the top of their app stores and other rent-seeking services, which is why they want everyone running the latest version so they can push their app store harder. Exactly the same thing reason Microsoft pushes Windows 10 so hard.

      You're right that I over generalized a bit. I should have linked to the list which does, however, extend back to 2007 on some models. In a hurry at work, sorry. Only time will tell how long the 2008 and 2009 models will be supported into the future; but I would expect that the internal edict from Apple is that those will be used as the baseline systems for compatibility, which is almost assuredly based on certain hardware (which I believe is mostly-based on 64-bit CPUs) being present in the design. The question is easily answered by looking at the list of Mavericks-compatible systems, which constitute the start of Apple's push to get the diehards off of Snow Leopard, with that same list for El Capitan. If the list grows, or at least stays the same, then Apple is likely planning on continued support for those systems for the foreseeable future. If the list shrinks, then expect those older systems will start to drop off of OS support. After looking at both lists, guess which is the case? Of course, all good things come to an end; but as I said originally, at least Apple is trying.

      But of course, in your paranoid fantasy, you have rationalized that by saying "Apple just wants to keep you hooked for more services", disregarding the fact that some of those services are actually NOT AVAILABLE to older Macs running new versions of OS X, and the simple fact that Apple's own filings clearly show that HARDWARE sales are still, as always, "King" at Apple. What company would walk away from their biggest profit-center? That would be like MS discontinuing all sales, including "Cloud-based" of MS Office and Exchange.

      So, you are REALLY saying that Apple shifting their business model from hardware-sales-based to a "services" based model is proven by the fact that they Killed-Off iAd, allow Mac users to d/l software from Anywhere, and recently announced a program to REDUCE their "cut" of App Store Sales, AND the fact that they CONTINUE to advertise and host many, many FREEWARE titles on all of their App Stores?

      Yeahrightsure. Pass me that bowl...

  5. Re:Worried? by jratcliffe · · Score: 1, Funny

    But I can (and do) run Windows 10 with absolutely no problem on a laptop from 2011.

  6. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    +1

  7. No biggie by williamyf · · Score: 2

    After suitable updates (bigger storage and RAM as needed/possible) if your Chromebook is ARM based, put Linux on it. If your Chromebook is intel based, put Linux or Win10 on it.

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  8. Re:Worried? by DrXym · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Not necessarily.

    Many Chromebook applications are front ends to cloud based services. If Google decides to end of life one of those services then you're screwed. And this has happened before such as when YouTube end-of-lifed an older client API. So yeah your chromebook might work for a while and then gradually bitrot and break as one service after another is withdrawn.

    Aside from the cloud services, chances are the browser will be start breaking over time too. Sites that expect chrome won't be happy about some 2 or 3 year old version and will start throwing up errors to upgrade and so on. Except of course you can't upgrade.

  9. Re:Worried? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "The socks I'm wearing are older than that."
    That says so much more about you than about Google

  10. The problem with Chromebooks by HexaByte · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I never saw the fascination with a device that had so little storage I can't even run off the whole contents of my camera onto if I'm not connected to the web.

    Cheap? Not really. Given that for another $100 I can get better specs, a real storage device, and an operating system that's $100 to buy (I realize some don't want Windows), the cost of a Chromebook is really expensive. Not to mention Google spying on you!

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    1. Re:The problem with Chromebooks by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I can't even run off the whole contents of my camera onto if I'm not connected to the web.

      Sure you can. Just plug in a SD card or a USB thumb drive.

      a Chromebook is really expensive.

      I bought a Chromebook for my kid for $129. That is a tenth of what I paid for my wife's Macbook.

    2. Re:The problem with Chromebooks by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      One of the original Chromebooks had a 320GB hard drive, and also a fast CPU, sandy bridge at 1.something GHz, and one DRAM slot for adding RAM (up to 10GB).

      Funnily, years later hardware is worse :).
      Did you know a low end hard drive is much faster than small low end flash?, on writes.
      Of course it's fine if your flash/SSD/whatever is of a high grade enough. Which is easier said if you're buying a $749 phone or a desktop/laptop with the flash drive stuff on removable PCIe, SATA or mSATA.

    3. Re:The problem with Chromebooks by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      Use one as a guest user. Suddenly it doesn't matter what you do on that pc (save network activity)

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    4. Re:The problem with Chromebooks by macs4all · · Score: 1

      I bought a Chromebook for my kid for $129. That is a tenth of what I paid for my wife's Macbook.

      Sounds about right; since the Chromebook is about a twentieth of what the MacBook is.

      And that doesn't even scratch the surface (no pun) of the difference between ChromeOS and OS X.

  11. They'll still function, right? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    TFA states that the Chromebooks will continue to function - they just won't get updates. Assuming Google told people going in what the support term would be, I don't see the big deal.

    But is is a reminder that paying $1200+ for one of those high-end Chromebooks might not have been a particularly wise choice.

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    1. Re:They'll still function, right? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      But is is a reminder that paying $1200+ for one of those high-end Chromebooks might not have been a particularly wise choice.

      The devices that are at EOL are the cheap Chromebooks like the $200 Samsung device or the $350 Asus one.

      Google's OWN devices (the expensive ones) are still in support, even the first device which is a year older than the ones dropping out of support now.

  12. End of life support by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    That should mean End of copyright privileges so that third parties can pick up where Google leaves off.

    Regardless, what's the problem? Will it self destruct if you load a different OS? Even Windows doesn't need 32gb.

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    1. Re:End of life support by markus · · Score: 2

      It's all Open Source and under a very liberal license at that. Also, the hardware can be unlocked super easily. That's officially supported by Google. So, nothing else is really needed for somebody else to take over, if they so choose.

      On the other hand, it's five year old hardware. You can pick up a replacement for less than $200. And that will be a better device. So, I don't see a particularly big and active community around supporting the old devices.

    2. Re:End of life support by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      ChromeOS is open source. Your major issue installing a newer version of ChromeOS will be that the OS won't be signed and so will be unable to, say, play DRM'd media, but that's a symptom of a different issue.

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    3. Re:End of life support by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      So, nothing else is really needed for somebody else to take over, if they so choose.

      Well, that's kind of why I wonder this makes the front page. Being open makes the issue of official support a 'non-issue'. Eh, maybe it's just a heads up.

      $200 buys lots of beans. Why should I replace perfectly functional hardware? On the other hand, it can't hurt the second hand market.

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    4. Re:End of life support by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      DRM actually works?

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  13. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by idontusenumbers · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's more directly because of people that make laptops that fail after a year or two and that are so expensive to repair that it's cheaper to just buy a new one.

  14. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by rdelsambuco · · Score: 3, Funny

    Real Men don't post on Slashdot.

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  15. Who would have guessed by Ketorin · · Score: 2

    This is how the year of Linux desktop finally happens!

  16. Re:Worried? by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course it does. It says NotDrWho is smart for choosing quality clothes that survive being worn and machine-washed hundreds of times, rather than cheap discount-store clothes that may not last even a hundred washes (two years).

  17. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

    That sort of depends on whether OP throws them away or sells them to someone who otherwise wouldn't have gotten a laptop at all.

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  18. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's because of people like you that someone is wasting electricity trying to turn carbon dioxide into rocks.

    Fun fact: A circa-1990 desktop PC consumed ~350-450 watts and was capable of fewer MIPS/watt than my Tegra K1 Chromebook is capable of producing at 15W.

    I buy laptops to do work, not as sentimental discussion pieces so I can bore teenagers with anecdotes about my glory days sorting piles of punch cards that fell on the ground.

    I've never owned an iPhone and I used my cell phones typically for ~4 years. I wear my shoes until there are holes in them. I also own several 7950 GPUs which I don't use for Litecoin mining any more because the cost of electricity to run them for a single month exceeds their cost of replacement. Would spiking my elelctric bill back up to $500/month worth of "global warming" by turning them back on as space heaters make your "reduce reuse recycle" pee pee hard?

    1) Electronics waste-stream management is a cash cow for anyone willing to play with aqua regia, and the lack of workplace safety in 3rd World Countries is as much my fault as I am a beneficiary of interest on World Bank loans(which is: "not at all").
    2) My time is more valuable than a cubic foot of real estate in a landfill. There is a unit of measurement which quantifies environmental cost known as "dollars". I don't survive off of photosynthesis so as long as this planet is burdened with my lungs sucking it's oxygen: I plan on converting "cow fat" in to "solutions to vexxing problems" in the most expedient way possible.
    3) I support nuclear power(I could have no other talking points and still have moral superiority vs someone who is eco-conscious based on "feelings")
    4) I don't plan on having any children, so my eco-footprint is already substantially lower than a breeder's(no matter how frequently I take 30-60 minute hot-showers)

    So take that "Greener than thou" pedestal that you presume to be gazing down at me from and kindly shove it up your ass. Then lick my taint you hippie twat.

    If you want to make a difference, study economics and then run for congress to correct the distortions on market prices which allow for economic externalities to be carried by anyone other than the person who produces them. In the mean time: I will spend as much of my money on whatever the fuck I want totally guilt free because I'm not a "shivering naked in the dark/living in a cave" eco-zealot who thinks windmills are bad because they kill birds and nuclear power plants are the worst thing ever because of "China Syndrome".

    Asshole.

  19. Linux time... by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

    2GB RAM, 16GB eMMC should be more than enough horsepower for a basic Linux distro running an XFCE, LXDE, or Mate DE. Heck, 1GB is enough for any of those DEs on my eight-year old Atom N270-powered netbook

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  20. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    OK, move along lady.

  21. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    That's a load of crap and you know it. The driver towards the lower quality and expensive to repair isn't the disposable world at all. It's our desire to have smaller thinner faster with edge to edge display made entirely of glass like we're fighting blue beasts on Pandora because THAT is what we imagine the future to be. It's businesses that go to the likes of Dell and say we want 3000 computers but we don't want to pay anything for them. It's this idea that we should be detaching ourselves from the dying form factor of the laptop and migrating to slates.

    What do you think is going to give?

  22. Re:Worried? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    Same here. Also have it dual booting Win7 pro for the XP VM when needed.
    It's sad I can't get the same software for 7 or 10 that runs so well on XP.

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  23. Re:Fucking Apple wannabes. by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that upgrading hardware is becoming less necessary with each new generation of hardware, aside from GPUs.

    Until we get quantum computers or something, we're not going to see huge jumps like the 8086/286/386/486 era.

  24. Re:Worried? by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

    this is clear artificial obsolescence. e.g.: chromebooks manufactured today are usually slower than ones from 2013. the ones from 2013 have 2955U CPU, which is a lot faster than today's n3050, n3060, etc CPUs. upcoming chromebooks with n3150 will finally be (tiny bit) faster. i am quite annoyed that slower chromebooks will receive updates for longer than mine.

  25. Re:Worried? by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

    it could also mean he has great many socks (and only gets to wear each pair once a month or so)

  26. Re:This just in! Time is a thing! by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

    And sometimes, when things aren't really that old, built-in obsolescence happens too.

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  27. Typical Google - Disposable Everything by macs4all · · Score: 1

    Many, many Google Software Projects get Shuttered before their time.

    IIRC, Even Nexus Phones are only guaranteed 18 months of Android Support They could get up to 3 years; but might be as little as 18 months, depending.

    Now this?

    Meanwhile, my iPad 2 and iPhone 4s can load the latest version of iOS 9, and you can install the latest version of OS X, 10.11 El Capitan, on nearly any Mac from 2007-08 up.

    1. Re: Typical Google - Disposable Everything by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Yet they dont support all the new featured such as hand off or continuity so they are just bug fixes

      1. First off, they tend to support MOST new features. Sometimes hardware constraints make it impossible.

      2. Even if they WERE just "Bug Fixes", most Android users would KILL for even THAT level of support.

  28. Re:12 years after release.... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

    Sheesh. If you wouldn't accept it for a car/appliance don't accept it for a computer/software!

    Please don't give the car manufacturers ideas.

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  29. Re:Why do we need support and updates??? by markus · · Score: 1

    You should never run a browser that isn't updated on a regular basis. You shouldn't even run a browser that is updated, but that has an understaffed security team.

    Chrome has some of the best security out there. But even with its pretty impressive track record, it does occasionally get hacked. Off the top of my head, I am not aware of an exploit that ever worked against an up-to-date Chromebook. But I might very well be wrong -- in fact, I strongly suspect I am. And you are certainly vulnerable, if you get tricked into installing a shady browser extension.

    It's the wild West out there. The internet is a dangerous place. ChromeOS is some of the safest way to access the internet. But it only is safe as long as you always make sure all security bugs are closed immediately. While your Chromebook is supported, this automatically happens in the background all the time. You probably don't even notice it. If it no longer is supported, things go bad pretty quickly.

  30. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by mrbester · · Score: 1

    "...lick my taint you hippie twat"

    Ah, that brought back happy memories of alt.flame at its best. Bravo, and thanks.

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  31. No Problem by allo · · Score: 1

    It will get Windows 10 soon.

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  33. Re:Worried? by yithar7153 · · Score: 1

    I don't think that's entirely true. I think it's more that a lot of people prefer a fanless Chromebook and that it's expensive to have the power of a Celeron or i3 in a fanless CPU (think HP Chromebook 13). Surfing the web doesn't require that high of an octane score anyways. Most of the Chromebooks with the Braswelll CPUs you listed have ~8k octane score, which is acceptable, but not super fast.

  34. Time for regular Linux to step by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, this is an opportunity for Linux to step forward and provide lots of nice hardware for ppl.

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  35. Re:Jairly fenerous? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

    "My support for 7 is so thorough, it forced me to update to 10".

    My other Windows 7 computers are still being supported and will keep getting security upgrades until 2020. So no, I'm not being forced to upgrade to Windows 10. I'm just saying that the upgrade means that I get an additional 5 years of support, which brings the support for my computer up to what I call a generous 14 years.

  36. POS by antdude · · Score: 1

    For POS, XP is even longer!

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  37. E-waste by tepples · · Score: 1

    You can pick up a replacement for less than $200.

    Plus the cost of disposing of your e-waste.

  38. Unpatched browser vulnerability by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's not like a virus or ransomware is going to mess with a Chromebook.

    It is if a computer intruder discovers a vulnerability in Chrome that Google refuses to patch on older devices.

  39. Press Space to wipe the drive by tepples · · Score: 1

    Will it self destruct if you load a different OS?

    No, but it will kill the "different OS" if you're not very careful.

    Putting another operating system on a Chromebook requires switching from verification mode to developer mode. But every time you power on a Chromebook in developer mode, it displays a screen for 30 seconds begging the user to press Space to reenable verification (which wipes the drive). The screen can be skipped by pressing Ctrl+D, but if you're not the person who turns it on, the key that gets pressed won't be Ctrl+D. If someone else (such as wife or kid) turns it on and presses Space, under the mistaken impression that that's the correct button to push, all your work since your last backup is gone, and you are out the use of the laptop until you can make reinstallation media.

  40. If someone other than you re-enables verification by tepples · · Score: 1

    From the linked article on lifehacker.com:

    OS verification is OFF

    Press SPACE to re-enable.
    [...]

    • Since your Chromebook is in Developer Mode, it will take an extra 30 seconds to boot up, since it shows you the Developer Mode message. You can skip this by pressing Ctrl+D.
    • Lastly, if you want to remove your Linux desktop and go back to regular ol' Chrome OS, you can just reboot your Chromebook and press spacebar when it prompts you to re-enable OS verification. This will remove Crouton and restore Chrome OS in its original state.

    Say someone other than you, such as a spouse or child, turns the laptop on and presses Space to re-enable verification during those 30 seconds. Guess what'll happen to your data.

  41. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    I buy Chromebooks to serve as disposable laptops for 1-2 years. In practice: I replace mine once every 1-2 years with something newer/shinier. I don't see the problem with this.

    It's because of people like you that we're overrun by hardware in dumps all over the world.

    As if the poster purchases any more than those dying to have bleeding edge products.

  42. Re:Speaking as a chromebook user by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    I buy Chromebooks to serve as disposable laptops for 1-2 years. In practice: I replace mine once every 1-2 years with something newer/shinier.

    I like the way you think. Purchasing budget systems more often results in more processing power than purchasing a state-of-the-art device every 5 years. Just consider the speed of processing, display quality and port speeds, and then do the math. A much slower PC purchased more often results in greater overall power and cost savings.