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Canada Federal Court Restrains Sale Of 'Pirate' Boxes (torrentfreak.com)

An anonymous reader writes:The Federal Court in Canada has handed down an interlocutory injunction against distributors of Android-based set-top boxes configured for piracy. The devices, which are loaded with software including Kodi (with pirate addons) and Showbox, are now banned from sale pending a full trial.Judge Daniele Tremblay-Lamer wrote in her order: "The devices marketed, sold and programmed by the Defendants enable consumers to obtain unauthorized access to content for which the Plaintiffs own the copyright. [...] They deliberately encourage consumers and potential clients to circumvent authorized ways of accessing content -- say, by a cable subscription or by streaming content from the Plaintiffs' websites -- both in the manner in which they promote their business, and by offering tutorials in how to add and use applications which rely on illegally obtained content."

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  1. Having just gotten in an S905 box today... by BenJeremy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Honestly, I'd prefer it if they just came set up with Kodi and no add-ons. Configuring Exodus or Spectro is simple enough and most of the add-ons I do not need pre-installed.

    1. Re:Having just gotten in an S905 box today... by donaggie03 · · Score: 1

      What is spectro? I googled it but only came up with spectrum analyzers and 2 cycle motor oil.

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    2. Re:Having just gotten in an S905 box today... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Specto.

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    3. Re:Having just gotten in an S905 box today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the funny thing is now people will just order their boxes from other places anyways. for example i can buy an odroid dev board and install kodi and get the exact same functionality as any of these boxes that are sold pre loaded with the software.

      in the end this is just a matter of big businesses using the judicial systems to enforce their monopoly rather than change their business model to be competitive. for example, remove commercials from cable subscriptions and just watch how many people stay with them or even start signing up... why would anyone pay to get commercials?

      at best the Canadian re-sellers will just start shipping these boxes with basic android and people can load kodi from the google play store. at worst Canadian dollars will now travel to other countries who are more than willing to ship to Canada.

    4. Re:Having just gotten in an S905 box today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is spectro? I googled it but only came up with spectrum analyzers and 2 cycle motor oil.

      I googled it, but I could quickly figure out it was specto what I was looking for.

    5. Re:Having just gotten in an S905 box today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likewise, and making it easier to flash custom roms would be nice (whether android or Linux). My biggest annoyance is how I can't adapt it to my needs as much as I would like (piracy _not_ being one of them). Hopefully the sellers will do the sensible thing and remove all the piracy plugins and just sell the boxes.

    6. Re:Having just gotten in an S905 box today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is spectro? I googled it but only came up with spectrum analyzers and 2 cycle motor oil.

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  2. Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    idiots shouldnt be allowed to illegally copy the content. After all, somebody still has to pay for it.

    1. Re:Yeah right by DickBreath · · Score: 1
      Now if you had said

      idiots shouldn't be allowed to ILLEGIBLY copy the content

      then I could have agreed with you. If the copy is not readable, then nobody can enjoy it.

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    2. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If nobody pays for it, they're going to stop making it. When they stop making it, what are you going to pirate?

    3. Re:Yeah right by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's about as close to a victimless crime as you can get

      So using a product someone took the time, energy and money to produce and not paying them isn't a crime? I'm presuming your employer doesn't pay you for the work you do for them.

      Most things I pirate are things I wouldn't have spent any hard earned cash for.

      So it's your hard earned cash but not the guy who's trying to make their own hard earned cash you're stealing from. Nice to know you're the classic example of a hypocrite.

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    4. Re:Yeah right by St.Creed · · Score: 2

      Three words: Mickey Mouse Extension.

      Ever since that one was signed into law, I've tried very hard to avoid ever paying for the items that benefited from this copyright. I pay for software (as needed). I never pay for music, movies or books unless I buy directly from the author to support him or her. Which is pretty rare.

      Roll back copyright to something more reasonable and I'll start paying again.

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    5. Re:Yeah right by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1, Troll

      So you are happy fucking over an entire generation of authors or actors because of the work of some that came before?

      I hope you are going without rather than pirating the content - if you are pirating, then my opinion of you is probably the same as your opinion of Disney.

    6. Re:Yeah right by St.Creed · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I rarely watch television or any series any more and if I do, it's probably a recorded one. Software is either open source or paid for.

      However, I do download stuff from time to time and I don't feel bad about it. Especially music. Musicians are currently petitioning for harsher laws in the EU. They think that if you create a song that sounds remotely like another song, it entitles them to a share of the proceeds. They even managed to copyright silence. Basically, musicians seem to think they're entitled to an annuity for their grandchildren because they made a single popular song. Well, not from my money they won't.

      The more money they get, the more money they have for lawsuits. Not paying them is just sensible long-term strategy in the fight against copyright extensions.

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    7. Re:Yeah right by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > So you are happy fucking over an entire generation of authors or actors because of the work of some that came before?

      It's more like... all they have is derivative trash and I already have the originals. Whether I buy or or whether I pirate it, it really doesn't matter. The fact that the back catalog is quite large means that I don't have to ever pay attention to the new stuff.

      There is nothing "wrong" or "illegal" with that either.

      Your attitude is the highest pinnacle of the entitlement mentality. It's despicable.

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    8. Re:Yeah right by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      You are missing something important.

      I do not buy when copyright owners make money. But I will routinely go to the pawn shop where they sell used DVDs for a buck each.

      Same as pirating only legal (you DO pay for internet access right?).

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    9. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >So using a product someone took the time, energy and money to produce and not paying them isn't a crime?

      I often use toilets at Tim Horton's without buying anything. If you're Canadian, you probably have too.

      Somehow, nobody has charged me with anything, nor even suggested I was a criminal.

    10. Re: Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will watch old movies and everyone else will too

    11. Re: Yeah right by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      I hadn't gone to a movie in more than 15 years but wanted to see Star WarS on the big screen. 45 MINUTES of previews is not what I paid for. That said, piracy has hit the movie industry so hard they had yet another record year in revenue...

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    12. Re: Yeah right by doccus · · Score: 1

      ...That said, piracy has hit the movie industry so hard they had yet another record year in revenue...

      Good point.. And you could say the same with the banks.. the economy is in so much trouble that the bankls, again, had record profits...
        Seems to me, something just DOESN'T add up here... really......

    13. Re: Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just suggest you're a dick.

    14. Re:Yeah right by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Oh no, people might stop making the shit that I don't consider worth paying for. Maybe they'll go do something fucking useful instead. ;)

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    15. Re:Yeah right by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      If nobody pays for it, they're going to stop making it. When they stop making it, what are you going to pirate?

      That is not true. Distribution companies actively block content that does not come through them, and limits or stops content coming from alternate distribution channels. For example, Megaupload provided a very good alternative distribution network.

      People should only pay for first viewing of any content. The replay of content you already paid for is no different than remembering it in detail. We should not have to pay to refresh our memory of what we already experienced and paid for. We should not charge humans based on their ability or inability to recall.

      The distribution companies make sure that content expires before your memory of it does. Once content enters the mind, it should be a human right to remember it, whether in your mind or physically. The idea that anyone needs money from older content or that it is stealing from those who made it is hard to reconcile, when all those people are dead.

      I present an alternative, where people pay for production prior to creation. For example, I would pay my fair share for crowd funding episodes of "Game of thrones". If the show obtained the amount they desired, then they could produce it, known that they were fairly paid for their labour. The end result could/should belong to the people and made available for free. The distribution could use the existing channels which now are largely used for pirating. This is just one idea of how a world without copyrights and distribution companies would work. I think it would be beautiful and no one would miss the death of distribution monsters and copyright lawsuits.

      I think alternate forms of distribution have a huge potential to provide more money to all artists regardless of their connection with the few mega distribution companies which have a stranglehold on what appears in theatres, in your home and on your devices.

  3. I honestly see nothing wrong with this by wardrich86 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The things are putting a negative slant on Android, as if it's a platform for piracy. Hell, I'd say a good chunk of people with "Android boxes" have no idea what it's even doing. I actually appreciate taking these things out of the hands of noobs.

    1. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by fishscene · · Score: 1

      I reckon the same could be said for any OS used for copying files.

    2. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by denis-The-menace · · Score: 0

      Windows-based box would hang in a week if not infected before that.

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    3. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a photocopier, or facsimile machine, or carbon paper, or camera, or ...

      Ok, you get the point. Copying has never been more difficult than creating the original (regardless of format), although there have been brief periods where the technology to produce some form of media has been prohibitively expensive (which just meant the copies were made to a more affordable medium).

    4. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      I must respectfully disagree with you about the stability of Microsoft Windows.

      I think a Windows-based box would be able to remain running for at least long enough to start nagging you to upgrade to Windows 10!

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    5. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      We're sorry, your download of Backdoor Sluts 9 has been interrupted to update to Windowsbox 10.

    6. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      The problem is that people buy these mygica or similar android STB's and they install Kodi, a long with a lot of "free tv/movie" streaming apps, and then re-sell them as an alternative to cable TV.

      Most of these tv/movie streaming apps are just front ends for torrent downloads.

      The STB's themselves are not at issue, it's the people reselling them as torrenting streamers enabling copyright infringement.

    7. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      It blows my mind, though, how most end-users don't even understand the most basic things about what they're doing. I'm not even sure many of them realize that what they're doing is illegal.

    8. Re:I honestly see nothing wrong with this by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Surely they took microsoft's cue and skipped 9 altogether?

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  4. I stand with Kodi developers. by pecosdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As an avid Kodi user I know the developers of Kodi do not encourage piracy. They forbid the use of their name on any install that deviates from the defaults (sort of like the Firefox license) when offering a device for sale - you must fork. Plugins that make infringement easy aren't even allowed in the official repositories - all of those are in 3rd party repositories.

    Kodi is a lot like a torrent or gnutella setup. Nothing wrong with it on it's own, in fact Window Media Center is one of the best closed source comparison products to come to mind, but it's an open source project without child safety locks, just like Linux and BSD are as a whole. The fact third party sellers about the product should not be used against the developers - ever.

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    1. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Kodi developers hate those plugins, because they only work for a few months then break. And then the users come and flood the Kodi forums complaining about it.

      The Pirate Boxes are killing Kodi.

      It's apparently getting so bad the Kodi dev team is considering quitting completely - they don't want to support this crap (especially since the pirate box sellers don't support them) and are forced to (i.e., Kodi is crap). So they're using legal avenues to do so - basically they've acquired a trademark so they can file trademark takedowns.

    2. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by operagost · · Score: 1

      I use Kodi to play my music (stored on another media server and shared via DLNA) on the deck. I never even considered that it could be used to access pirated media. It's nice that it's that versatile, but it's as ridiculous to call it a pirate tool as calling your web browser a pirate tool because you can download pirated content with it.

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    3. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by operagost · · Score: 1

      I love the morons there claiming the Kodi developers designed it explicity as a pirate tool. THEY'RE the tools. I used Kodi years ago when it was called XBMC. Clearly, they're noobs.

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    4. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if thats true, why can i open up a fresh install of kodi on my tablet and through the app i can download one channel? while they may say they hate those plugins, i am more likely to believe that they are indifferent and are releasing these statements as a matter of legal defense... after-all how many people would really download kodi with out that functionality? as you can get all of the functionality that kodi offers through other apps or natively through android, those third party plugins are what makes kodi worth it!

      also take a look at how they are complaining about the pirate boxes, and how their trademark strategy will only work against people who are selling boxes pre-loaded with kodi and the plugins. and i quote from the article you have referenced:

      "Team Kodi maintains an officially neutral stance on what users do with their own software. Kodi is open source software, and as long as the GPL is followed, you are welcome to do with it as you like. So while we don’t love this use of Kodi, as long as you know what illegal and potentially dangerous things you are getting yourself into and accept the fact that the Team will not be providing you with any support, then you are welcome to do what you like."

      "The problem is this: There have been a wave of sellers who decided to make a quick buck modifying Kodi, installing broken piracy add-ons, advertising that Kodi let’s you watch free movies and TV, and then vanishing when the user buys the box and finds out that the add-on they were sold on was a crummy, constantly breaking mess."

    5. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I used Kodi years ago when it was called XBMC

      Then you know that the roots of Kodi are XBMC, which was originally XBMP, for which a pirated SDK was used to build it.

    6. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I switched to XBMC from MythTV. I originally had a home-built DVR with some of my own files on it, but when the world went stupid, quit supporting NTSC and didn't actually switch to QAM I gave up on messing with it. XBMC was better when you took actual live TV out of the equation.

      I am interested in a couple of legit plugins. For a while there was an Amazon video plugin that I used which was great, it worked with my paid Amazon Prime account, but it's useless now. I would like a Netflix plugin that worked more like the Wii or Bluray player version of Netflix, but the best I have is a Chrome launcher which leaves a lot to be desired. I've tried using Dolphin to run the Wii version - dead end - and I've yet to find anything that will let you run the Java version meant for a Bluray player. I'm running thing off of a Mac Pro 1,1 but I'm seriously considering switching to one of the Android things just for Netflix and Amazon support.

      Notice - pirating stuff is legal. Doing things legitimately is unsupported.

      I don't blame the developers for being upset about users trashing them. They've made a very reliable and likable program.

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    7. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Doh! Pirating stuff is easy I meant to say.

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    8. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      after-all how many people would really download kodi with out that functionality?

      Me for one. Most of my Kodi use centers on my own legitimately obtained collection. I do have a couple of legal streaming plugins - PBS, ABC, and many other channels have open API's for accessing certain content they put out there legally and developers have provided access to those API's in the form of plugins. I don't need pirate plugins.

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    9. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      In this case, the defendants in question are ones who preload their boxes with plugins that specifically access copyright infringing content sources. There are other companies in Canada unaffected by the injunction because they were smart enough to just provide the basic Kodi and such pre-installed. The problem isn't that Kodi is preinstalled, it is the addon packages they pre-install. Basically the difference between providing copies of Chrome or Firefox, or providing the same in a package that preinstalls extensions for specific to torrenting/streaming infringing content sources.

      Of course, it is trivially easy to then install the plugins on the more intelligent companies set top boxes but the onus for doing so is on the user not the set top box retailer. Skipping this step is rather monumentally stupid of the defendants.

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    10. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MythTV has always been a favorite. I don't have access to an aerial any longer, so haven't set it back up.

    11. Re:I stand with Kodi developers. by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      "developers of Kodi do not encourage piracy"
      I had to chuckle when I read that statement on one of their main pages. Sure, Kodi does not officially encourage piracy, but their library scrapper is designed primarily to recognise scene releases, and not much else, and is setup to work best when pointed at a torrent directories.

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    12. Re: I stand with Kodi developers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can NOT download an addon like 1channel from a clean install.
      That is a complete lie.

      Either you are downloading a modified version or you remember wrong, but please do not spread this nonsense.

    13. Re: I stand with Kodi developers. by kib3106 · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. The scraper (that's how you write it) does not work very good with scene releases nor with torrent folders. Actually the best way to get the scraper to work is to use a very specific naming scheme.

    14. Re: I stand with Kodi developers. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I name my stuff "Name from the Scrapper Site.year.m4v" and that works nearly all the time. Oddly it sill has some glitches with that, but rarely.

      The fact I contribute to the scrapper and the fact I buy my disk legally makes me feel rather secure about my way of doing things.

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  5. Re:New product ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rifle: a weapon to kill and threaten humans?

    Oh, its a constitutional right and holy to some americans...

  6. A court ruling I agree with. by RandomAvatar · · Score: 0

    I am in favour of piracy to an extent. After all, you shouldn't be forced to pay for something you hate just because it is well advertised. These people are actively encouraging people to never pay for content, which I am against. This hurts the creators abilities to get paid. If you like it, go pay for it. Support the content you like.

    1. Re:A court ruling I agree with. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am in favour of piracy to an extent. After all, you shouldn't be forced to pay for something you hate just because it is well advertised. These people are actively encouraging people to never pay for content, which I am against. This hurts the creators abilities to get paid. If you like it, go pay for it. Support the content you like.

      I actually use Kodi, watch stuff on it, and still buy BluRays and such. But I do it because I (1) has anxiety, and not going to theaters, (2) find the cost of cable outrages because I'm not able to pick and choose which channels I would like. They shove 100s of channels down your throat where most people barely spend time on no more than 5-10 channels.

      Fix the costs and piracy will fade, and funny enough, I have shown Kodi to friends, and what it can do, and still barely any of them want to use it.

  7. I'll respect copywrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When they start entering public domain again after a reasonable time

    this bullshit with copywrites living for multiple generations so any derivative works artists do have to be based on things so old they have absolutely no cultural relevance

  8. I'm astonished it took this long by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 2

    You can find someone selling these boxes in almost any low-rend strip mall around here, there's one up the street from me. The content is all ripped, and they sell a "service" consisting of lists of IP numbers for the latest streams. I'm surprised the networks didn't get on this ages ago. I'm not sure stopping the box sales will help, they'll have to stop sales of the content lists too.

    1. Re:I'm astonished it took this long by urbanriot · · Score: 1

      Yea, I was surprised too. Here in my city there's a buy and sell group on Facebook with something like 11,000 people and there's dudes regularly selling different 'android boxes for free TV', touting how people can watch movies in theatres with the simple click of a remote. I've heard from plenty of people over the last year or so that they're cutting the cord... and replacing it with piracy.

      Despite the possibility that I may have engaged in youthful piracy myself, my blip on the radar is nothing like huge mobs of adults that are depriving content creators of their income to create more content and this concerns me. I often wonder if shows like Firefly or Stargate were cancelled due to the higher likelihood of piracy.

    2. Re:I'm astonished it took this long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can find someone selling these boxes in almost any low-rend strip mall around here, there's one up the street from me. The content is all ripped, and they sell a "service" consisting of lists of IP numbers for the latest streams. I'm surprised the networks didn't get on this ages ago. I'm not sure stopping the box sales will help, they'll have to stop sales of the content lists too.

      That's the part of the story that confuses me. How do these things get their content in the first place? Can't be USENET without a subscription. If it's just bittorrent, why aren't the end users getting DMCA nastygrams from their ISPs? Or is the "list of IP numbers for the latest streams" a list of pirate streams from a legit cable subscription set up by the group that originally configured the box, and as those streams get shut down one-by-one, the box just shifts to the next stream on the list? (i.e., 50 channels streamed out of livestream/someguysbasement1, and when it gets shut down, the box tries someguysbasement2 through 9, and then stops working?)

    3. Re:I'm astonished it took this long by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      " I often wonder if shows like Firefly or Stargate were cancelled due to the higher likelihood of piracy."

      Not even close.

      Firefly was cancelled because the network wanted a "Joss Whedon show" because of him being popular, but they didn't want an actual Joss Whedon show. For example, they rejected the pilot and wanted something with action and whiz-bang. Joss provided them with the second episode which they then aired as the first. This dislike of the show they were paying for only intensified as the season progressed. By refusing to play the episodes in order they made the show confusing to any viewer. The cancellation was inevitable. The sad footnote to this is that Dark Angel's third and final season (which had already been green lit) was *cancelled* in order to give the slot to Firefly. So the Dark Angel story just cut off 2/3 of the way through and Firefly has a barely salvaged almost ending (not aired, but part of the DVD release).

      Stargate was cancelled because they had run it into the ground. I'm not a fan of the show myself, but I understand that it was popular with some. But ten years for the main show and then considering spin offs it had been beaten to death.

      In neither case was piracy even a consideration.

    4. Re:I'm astonished it took this long by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Not even close.

      Firefly was cancelled because the network wanted a "Joss Whedon show" because of him being popular, but they didn't want an actual Joss Whedon show. For example, they rejected the pilot and wanted something with action and whiz-bang. Joss provided them with the second episode which they then aired as the first. This dislike of the show they were paying for only intensified as the season progressed. By refusing to play the episodes in order they made the show confusing to any viewer. The cancellation was inevitable. The sad footnote to this is that Dark Angel's third and final season (which had already been green lit) was *cancelled* in order to give the slot to Firefly. So the Dark Angel story just cut off 2/3 of the way through and Firefly has a barely salvaged almost ending (not aired, but part of the DVD release).

      Stargate was cancelled because they had run it into the ground. I'm not a fan of the show myself, but I understand that it was popular with some. But ten years for the main show and then considering spin offs it had been beaten to death.

      In neither case was piracy even a consideration.

      I think it was the other way around - Buffy the Vampire Slayer was super popular, and Joss Whedon made it a condition that if Fox wanted Buffy, they had to take on Firefly as well. Of course, Fox wanted Buffy, but Fox did not want the new show, while Joss was not willing to sell Fox just Buffy alone.

      So Fox did everything they could to run it into the ground and purposefully get low ratings so they could cancel.

      Anyhow, the networks don't care about piracy at all. What keeps a show on the air is the eyeball numbers for the ads - the networks sell ad spots and Neilsen records the eyeball sduring the ads - a good episode usually carries more eyeballs into the ads. If you pirate it, you count as 0 viewers to them, and thus if the show is getting low ratings, you're directly contributing to the network cancelling it.

      So pirate away - all that matters to the networks is the ads.

  9. Wasting time, but it's OK. by bogaboga · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While action like this is good legally, I can almost guarantee that it won't change much. I see cunning fellas sell boxes that are benign, so do not flout the order.

    What will happen is buyers being pointed to a website, from which a script to autoconfigure the box can be [freely] obtained.

    I applaud the judge nevertheless..

  10. Proper ruling...intent not tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ruling was based on the 'intent of the sellers' NOT the 'tools available/installed' per se. I have an 'Android TV Stick', I can install whatever I want on that, if I choose to install things that could be used for pirating that's on me but I also don't have to use them for that (Kodi I can use for my internal media).

    Once again, demonstrating that Canada's Supreme's seem much more knowledgeable about 'tools that enable a crime' and the 'crime itself' (e.g. guns can be used to commit crime, anyone trying to sell one for use in a crime would be slapped down hard & fast, selling a gun in and of itself however isn't a crime & shouldn't be).

  11. Re:New product ideas by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    Are you sure you meant to say that? Cause the flipside to that is a lot of people want to ban firearms - so your remark translates as ban all computing devices?

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  12. Idiots is a strong word... by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    but yes, the purpose of these things seem to be to bring piracy to the masses who could never figure it out on their own.

    Had someone at work brag about their box and all their content.

    I think the key thing here isn't so much the box itself, it is the legitimacy of it. There are probably a big chunk of people who get these boxes and think it is completely legit. Now one can argue about the nuances of copyright infringement all day, however at best these things are dubiously legal. At least when someone does it that knows what they are doing, they more less understand what it is they are really doing and are getting. For Ma and Pa android box owner, they may not have the same background to really understand what is going on other than "Hey pretty pictures!"

    So not only, as you say, someone has to pay for content, but there is also the issues on the box owner getting into legal trouble without being really aware (heading off a lot of lawsuits before they start), and from the content owner if something like this becomes legitimate use, it undermines their ability to do anything about it if they ignore it.

    1. Re:Idiots is a strong word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but yes, the purpose of these things seem to be to bring piracy to the masses who could never figure it out on their own.

      Had someone at work brag about their box and all their content.

      I think the key thing here isn't so much the box itself, it is the legitimacy of it. There are probably a big chunk of people who get these boxes and think it is completely legit. Now one can argue about the nuances of copyright infringement all day, however at best these things are dubiously legal. At least when someone does it that knows what they are doing, they more less understand what it is they are really doing and are getting. For Ma and Pa android box owner, they may not have the same background to really understand what is going on other than "Hey pretty pictures!"

      So not only, as you say, someone has to pay for content, but there is also the issues on the box owner getting into legal trouble without being really aware (heading off a lot of lawsuits before they start), and from the content owner if something like this becomes legitimate use, it undermines their ability to do anything about it if they ignore it.

      Well, they are going to run into the same problem that the PMRC people ran into in the 1980s. The ability to commit piracy on a device does not make that device a piracy device, only a potential piracy device. To say that a Kodi box is a "piracy device" is like saying that a dual tape deck "Boom box" is only for taping music off the radio and "Mass copying" pirated tapes. It is ridiculous. I say follow the money here, there is a financial interest in this that is being funded by the entertainment cartel. It may come out.. it didn't in the 1980s but the PMRC thing got derailed by the religious right (as they tend to fuck up everything they touch) because they wanted to make it about quelling free speech and the financial interests got forced out by all the fundie christians that were jumping on the bandwagon. Funny that Tipper Gore was the political mover of all of that and now Al gore is on the board of directors of Apple.. Funny how that works!

      Point is , the government cannot condem a product based on it's potential usage any more than they can ban handguns because someone might shoot somebody. I don't expect this to stop Kodi boxes from being available.. even a little.

    2. Re: Idiots is a strong word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA. This has nothing to do with Kodi. This has to do with people selling boxes that are specifically pre-configured and advertised to watch pirate content.

    3. Re: Idiots is a strong word... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Uh, Kodi pretty much *is* the way that these boxes access the content. Also, from the general comments I've seen around the web, people associate Kodi directly with said streaming content.

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    4. Re: Idiots is a strong word... by tdelaney · · Score: 1

      And the XBMC Foundation is trying its best to break this perceived association.

      https://kodi.tv/the-piracy-box...

  13. Authorized ways by worldtech-a3x · · Score: 1

    circumvent authorized ways of accessing content

    Sounds like freedom.

  14. Oh, dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    '"The devices marketed, sold and programmed by the Defendants enable consumers to obtain unauthorized access to content for which the Plaintiffs own the copyright."

    That description could apply to ... lots ... of things.

    1. Re:Oh, dear by StrangeBrew · · Score: 1

      Wait until Libraries start receiving their takedown notices. Their movie/tv/videogame sections are getting pretty massive and distribute the material on a temporary basis to a large number of people who now don't have to pay for it.

  15. This is exactly what copyright laws were made for by Solandri · · Score: 2

    To discourage and punish widescale commercial (for profit) copyright infringement. It's an abuse of the legal system to take those same laws made to combat commercial enterprises profiting to the tune of tens of thousands or even millions of dollars, and apply them to individuals violating copyright to watch a few movies for free. The penalty in the latter case badly needs to be revised to something like 3x the cost of the movie(s).

    And why does this have a DMCA tag? The DMCA is a U.S. law, and this story is about a Canadian court decision.

  16. Re:This is exactly what copyright laws were made f by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    US prosecutors(*AA sock puppets) regard any perceived harm to a US company as breaking US law, regardless of where it occurred. They also regard all of the Internet as an extension of US territory.

  17. Re:New product ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Question, was it your intent to claim that a hammer serves no legitimate purpose? Because that is what you just did. I know if I tried to claim that rifles serve a legitimate purpose, you'd yell and whine that they do not, so I'm just going to bypass that and say that, for the sake of argument, lets say they do not. By adding a rifle to the list of "murderhammer" and "robmask", you are claiming that hammers and skimasks serve no legitimate purpose.

    tl;dr: Irony, when you inadvertently claim that a hammer serves no legitimate purpose, in your attempt to make all things be about your hatred of firearms.

  18. The DMCA is an american law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DMCA is an American Law, it has no jurisdiction in Canada.

  19. Shocking by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 2

    I was rather shocked to see a YouTuber I had respected (Darbin Orvar) do a video shilling for one of these boxes and posting an Amazon referral link in her comment section. Considering she used to work at Facebook I figured she would be intelligent enough to realize the "free movies" including such recent films as "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" were nothing more than illegal streaming sites with an RSS feed or similar feeding the poorly designed Android app on the box. Suckers born every minute, I guess.

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  20. US Amazon item by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks the devices are about $50 on US Amazon:
    https://www.amazon.com/Android-Streaming-Miracast-Receiver-AML8726-M8/dp/B00N75U45Q/184-4649182-9896364

    Or there is a Pro version with Android 5.1 for $30 more:
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LP6OX56?psc=1

    hmmm ....

  21. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Libraries have to pay much more for the same DVDs than regular consumers. The content trolls also operate pay-per-play schemes in many countries.

    1. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVDs are ineligible for PLR in Canada:

      http://plr-dpp.ca/PLR/eligibility/default.aspx

      Even if they were eligible, very few would receive PLR funding as most movies are not created by Canadian authors.

  22. Simple by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I expect that these companies will just stop installing streaming addons but make the instructions for installing the addons readily available. In fact, they already are readily available.

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  23. Pirate boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am surprised these even went anywhere.
    Mesh networking and IRL sneaker-net sharing seemed to have died off pretty hard with the internet bandwidth explosion over the past 7~ years.

    Of course, it looks like it might be making a huge comeback given this popped up.
    Mobile Phones and apps also make it a lot easier too. So who knows.

    If the media cartels keep pushing, they'll go completely offline entirely, using illegal broadcasts, even darker-nets and piracy parties again.
    Just give us fucking decent media, no stupid restrictions, no service-exclusives, no constant attacks on fair-use and 90% of everyone will be happy.
    These are literally the only things causing so much piracy.
    People WILL pay for things if the price is decent and there aren't stupidly abusive restrictions on them, Netflix, Steam and every other online distribution service has shown this for years now.

  24. Re:New product ideas by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Rifles can tenderize the hell out of a side of beef. Just sayin.

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  25. The dog in the manger by tepples · · Score: 1

    At what U.S. pawn shop can I buy a lawfully made DVD of Song of the South, Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night, or Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea? If "nowhere", that's only because the law empowers copyright owners to act like the proverbial dog in the manger.

    1. Re:The dog in the manger by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      If they have it when you show up, then any of them. I picked a pirates of the carribean movie disney last month for a buck. They did have little mermaid, but I bought that years ago.

      But that's not the point. The point is the copyright holders didn't make a dime from me, and I get the movie legally.

      Sure, they don't have the full catalog everyday, but patience, time and visiting goodwill and pawn shops and you'll eventually find it and more (like my laser disc copies of the first three star wars movies) .

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    2. Re:The dog in the manger by tepples · · Score: 1

      It was a trick question, as none of these were never released on DVD or Blu-ray in the United States. The Pinocchio sequel was VHS-only, and I've occasionally seen it in thrift shops. But the other two never got any U.S. home video release.

    3. Re:The dog in the manger by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Oh.

      So they only left an option to pirate it.

      But my point stands.

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  26. C-11 is a Canadian law by tepples · · Score: 1

    For one thing, Canada has the digital locks bill, which is the same thing. For another, how may refugees from the DMCA is Canada willing to absorb?

  27. Pun! by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Judge Daniele Tremblay-Lamer's name makes a good pun in french: Judge Daniele "shake the sea"

  28. Re:This is exactly what copyright laws were made f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DMCA is a U.S. law, and this story is about a Canadian court decision.

    Yeah so? Being out of US jurisdiction didn't help Kim Dotcom.

  29. bastards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    m. f

  30. but they already paid for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, cannada has the MAFIAA tax on all media sold, so the canadian people have therefore already paid for it, so they can just freely used it as it has already been paid for

    Sleep in the bed you made

  31. Re:New product ideas by Maritz · · Score: 1

    It looks unlikely that he was having a pop at hammers, or even rifles. It is more likely that he was joking about an object with a fairly obvious purpose being marketed with a narrower purpose for the sake of having an angle.

    Then you got a touch precious, thinking someone was taking your little rifle away or something.

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