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Anonymous Posts Pornography To Hijacked ISIS Twitter Accounts (softpedia.com)

An anonymous Slashdot reader writes: Softpedia is reporting that a member of the Anonymous collective "has been hijacking accounts for the most active ISIS supporters, the ones involved in online recruitment, and has been plastering their profiles with naked women and peaceful messages." Anonymous is also using the hijacked accounts to monitor "protected" tweets from ISIS, and they're reporting hundreds of thousands of other ISIS profiles to Twitter. But Anonymous is also defacing 161 of the hijacked accounts, saying they're "Adding our own images and basically showing them 'We are in control'... we are creating confusion and distrust..." There are a few things that the Islamic State fear. One is women and the second is Porn."

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  1. And probably twitter will ban it much faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And probably twitter will ban it much faster if it is porn than if it were "just" ISIS propaganda.

    Prude america, wake up!

    1. Re:And probably twitter will ban it much faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      pretty sure twitter doesn't care about porn. Ever looked at twitter? Its 90% porn.

    2. Re: And probably twitter will ban it much faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Twitter shouldn't be a censor for free speech. Youtube now keeps taking down a womans video "how to spot a feminist", which basically disses the ridiculous extremist feminist men haters. Sure you might not agree with her, but they swamp the account with trolls and get the account closed.
      She gets exactly the same response as these people expressing pro-ISIS views (well at least we assume they are pro-ISIS views, the accounts are all spam or closed currently, we have to take some anonymous persons claim as if it was true).
      Perhaps they simply expressed negative war views? which he chose to interpret as pro-ISIS and he was unable to combat their views with counter speech? i.e. his debating skills are so weak he hacks and trolls. But that's not the way to tackle pro-ISIS commenters, you tackle their speech with speech, not try to silence those views, which only gives them extra bragging rights.

    3. Re:And probably twitter will ban it much faster by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey, don't you watch TV? Chopping titties off is acceptable, kissing them isn't!

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    4. Re: And probably twitter will ban it much faster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kicking someone off your property and cleaning up their graffiti is not censorship.

    5. Re:And probably twitter will ban it much faster by someoneOtherThanMe · · Score: 1

      Not even after you've chopped them off?

    6. Re:And probably twitter will ban it much faster by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      There's a whole lot of porn on Twitter. They usually only care if you post it and don't mark it as such.

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  2. The downside of this by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The downside of this is that it's obvious that the accounts have been hacked. It's better to seed confusion whenever an account has been hacked.

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    1. Re:The downside of this by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As Robert S. McNamara said, "Satire, trolling and propaganda are best when they walk a fine line between being extreme enough to be effective and yet mundane enough to be believable."

      A light sprinkling - ideally gay ones or a bit of pegging - here and there.

      [captcha - repress]

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    2. Re:The downside of this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My thought also. The script kiddies of Anonymous will get one day of poking fun at ISIS out of this stunt, but a much better strategy would be for the NSA to quietly take over ISIS sites and, using all the global intelligence at its disposal, set up false feeds and chatter, funnel ISIS troops into kill zones, and issue faked calls for terrorist activity in the US and Europe which would lure the next Mateen into a police trap.

      We need to capture people like Mateen alive, so that their minds can be disassembled using the latest techniques to root out the ISIS command trees in Western countries. Every dead terrorist is a good terrorist, but it's also one we can't get information from.

    3. Re:The downside of this by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Also, this just helps ISIS recruit. Look, it's a clash of civilisations, a war against the corrupt, decadent west, the heathens who mock Muslims and draw Mohammed!

      Just report then to Twitter, get them shut down (oh noes, censorships!) and make them harder for people to find. That's the most you can do without making things worse.

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    4. Re:The downside of this by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      I doubt IS coordinate their military operations via Twitter. It's a propaganda tool, but too easily-monitored and hard to access under battlefield conditions when troops have no assurance of working internet access.

    5. Re:The downside of this by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It does look a lot like a clash of civilisations. Remember that even the 'respectable' Islamic-government countries tend to have awful human rights records, and several of them will execute heretics and apostates.

    6. Re:The downside of this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "Also, this just helps ISIS recruit."

      In what way would a secret hexing of jihadist sites 'help ISIS recruit?' And yes, it's a clash of civilizations and we need to understand that the US and Europe are active battlefronts in this war.

    7. Re:The downside of this by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We need to capture people like Mateen alive, so that their minds can be disassembled using the latest techniques to root out the ISIS command trees in Western countries. Every dead terrorist is a good terrorist, but it's also one we can't get information from.

      How much of a "command structure" do you need for a lone gunman? If he contacted IS - which is as of yet unclear, or if he just pledged to join their fight - there's no guarantee that he knew anyone or had anyone local who had turned him into a radical. He was angry and wanted to shoot up a gay club, since this is the US he already had the guns so is there any indication IS was more involved than *thumbsup*? This was not Paris or Brussels with many attackers and IEDs, there's no indication this was really organized or trained in any way.

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    8. Re: The downside of this by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Are they claiming he had a machine gun now? Last I heard it was just a semi automatic riffle and a hand gun with lots of ammo.

      And you do know ISIS has taken credit for this already right?

    9. Re:The downside of this by houghi · · Score: 1

      That is what Churchill did with the Enigma. Even though it cost the lives of many English in the short term.

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    10. Re: The downside of this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, in Europe, we keep playing soccer. But we do feel with you for the loss of what must've been an awesome titty bar if it gets that much media attention.

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    11. Re:The downside of this by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps AmiMoJo just understands what ISIS are all about better than you?

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    12. Re:The downside of this by ssufficool · · Score: 1

      The assumption in all this is that twitter is ISIS' command and control center. It's not. Any direction provided by twitter most likely requires confirmation and attendance in a training facility before deployment.

      To discount an enemies intelligence is a fatal position to take.

      Anonymous did the the best they could do. Embarrass them and make them look incompetent. Stone age treatment for stone age ideas.

    13. Re:The downside of this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Can we finally put this 'lone wolf' crap to rest now? Well-planned international operations in multiple cities require an organizational network. This guy didn;t just look at a website and decide, Death To America.

    14. Re: The downside of this by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      And you do know ISIS has taken credit for this already right?

      According to the Lt. Governor of Texas, so has God.

      http://www.chron.com/news/arti...

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    15. Re: The downside of this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I tried to americanize it so they'd at least think of the correct sport.

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    16. Re: The downside of this by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, It wasn't to long ago when we started seeing parody ISIS flags at gay pride parades that replaced the script with dildos and butt plugs. Hell, even CNN thought ISIS infiltrated a group of gays.

      In this context, do you think it may be accurate without involving God? I mean they provoked a bunch of killers who specifically have problems with homosexuality and now we see another batch of homosexuals executed for no good reason. Might as well hold a draw Mohammed contest.

    17. Re:The downside of this by Tom · · Score: 1

      The script kiddies of Anonymous will get one day of poking fun at ISIS out of this stunt, but a much better strategy would be for the NSA to quietly take over ISIS sites

      So let each of them do their part. One does not exclude the other, you know?

      We need to capture people like Mateen alive, so that their minds can be disassembled using the latest techniques to root out the ISIS command trees in Western countries. Every dead terrorist is a good terrorist, but it's also one we can't get information from.

      You think of Daesh like a club, but it's more like a cult. They don't work the same way, and any people are easily replaced. See the Taliban - how many times has their chief been killed, only to be replaced by someone else?

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    18. Re: The downside of this by robi5 · · Score: 2

      Haha Putin props up anything that may destabilize the less barbaric part of Europe, from financing extreme right wing parties to maintaining East European countries on the short leash via energy exports, shooting Syrian rebels instead of ISIS and when they have some free time, invade and annex some parts of real European (rather than Eurasian) countries, shoot down passenger planes and then act surpised when Nato plants some more defenses on its own territory. The only nice thing so far is the freeing of Palmyra, too bad they (and the Western World) let it fall in the first place.

    19. Re:The downside of this by robi5 · · Score: 1

      Even if it was a lone wolf operation, it makes no difference at all. Islam is antagonistic toward Western style freedom (girls education, women's rights, and especially gays and Jewish people) and followers of Islam systematically act on this (we call it islamic extremism, they call it the proper way of interpreting the Koran and living a worthy life), and I couldn't care less about which fucking organizational badge or process they operate under, ISIS, mujahedeen, Al Quaeda, intifada, terrorist, lone wolf, disgruntled 3rd generation disintegrated immigrant, shia, sunni, Wahhabists, Salafism etc. etc. it's just various flairs on the same piece of cloth.

    20. Re: The downside of this by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Those who carried the parody flags you refer to struck me as both clever and courageous. Are you saying that it's best to be quiet so as to not provoke the murderers?

    21. Re: The downside of this by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Causality is a white, male, middle-class concept.

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    22. Re: The downside of this by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      Wonderful that there's no actual quote here. No name of a person. No name of an actual show. Nothing.

      Really adds to the conversation if you ask me.

    23. Re: The downside of this by DEN_GUY · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile we're still pretending this has nothing to do with the "Religion of Peace"

    24. Re: The downside of this by DEN_GUY · · Score: 1

      Causality is part of my white-privilege, leave it alone ;-)

    25. Re:The downside of this by scatbomb · · Score: 1

      People like Mateen aren't terrorists. Mateen was mentally disturbed, hated gays, and had a god complex. Read some of the interviews about him.

      “First he claimed family connections to Al Qaeda,” which, like the Islamic State, is a Sunni Muslim terrorist group, James Comey, the F.B.I. director, said Monday. “He also said he was a member of Hezbollah,” a Shiite group in conflict with Al Qaeda and the Islamic State. (NYtimes)

      So basically he claimed he was a part of every group, even ones that contradict each other. He didn't appear to have formal ties to any of these groups, he acted on his own according to the police reports. This isn't state-sponsored terrorism. In fact, despite ISIS calling themselves a "state" they are not. ISIS is an extremist cult posing as a religious belief. Furthermore, by responding with military force we are promoting their recruiting and validating their message that they are at war with the West. This is not the way to deal with these people. If we respond, it needs to be done as an international group, not the US military. We need to start calling them what they are: criminals and cultists. They are not animals/monsters/etc, they are very dangerous and unstable people who have been brainwashed by a cult.

    26. Re:The downside of this by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Mateen was mentally disturbed, hated gays, and had a god complex."

      Just like every other terrorist who has fallen under the spell of Wahhabism.

    27. Re: The downside of this by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      In muslim countries it is actually quite common to see men holding hands, it is how they show friendship. It would not be controversial to ISIS to see their leaders holding hands with other men. Coming out of a bar, or actually being pegged by other men would be however.

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    28. Re: The downside of this by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You first, you are the one claiming to be a security expert while not even understanding how networking or security works.

      I would even say you don't actually know how to program, as your program is so bad you are afraid of people seeing the code.

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    29. Re: The downside of this by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Backup your own bullshit, I have been, you just spout off and link to refuted statements.

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    30. Re: The downside of this by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Unless an AR-15 is fully automatic - and those ones are extremely heavily regulated and very difficult to get - it's not a machine gun. Since he apparently bought it a few days before the shooting, it's highly unlikely it was an automatic gun.

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  3. Re:Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2, Informative

    While tragic, it is hardly "news for nerds".

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  4. So there! by G-Man · · Score: 1

    Take *that*, Omar Mateen! Yeah, you sure showed him, didn't you?

  5. Yeah yeah, bunch of weeny punks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Whatever became of their fight against the Mexican cartels? Huh? Bunch of cowards, spraying graffiti and running. Easy to go after the meaningless soft popular shit. Let's see them block the weapons sales and deliveries, then we can call them heroes. Obviously they are not. More likely they are agents of distraction.

    1. Re:Yeah yeah, bunch of weeny punks by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Bunch of cowards, spraying graffiti and running

      Well, what do you expect from somebody hiding behind anonymity?

  6. Re: Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Neither was that - if you want to discuss the shootings you can go to 4chan instead.

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  7. Don't think so by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 2

    There are a few things that the Islamic State fear. One is women

    Well they've certainly conquered *that* phobia, because they seem to be able to get close enough to commit rape on an industrial scale.

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    1. Re:Don't think so by Rei · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Exactly what I was thinking... this is a group that sells sex slaves for a profit....

      I agree with others, that they should have deliberately planted false information. I know some groups have posted fake copies of Dabiq for that purpose (Dabiq = their professional-looking monthly magazine, named after the Syrian town (which they control) where they think that Armageddon will soon begin)

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    2. Re:Don't think so by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Easily solved: Switch to gay porn.

    3. Re:Don't think so by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Anonymous probably doesn't have very many members able to write the language like a native.

  8. Support Your Local Editors! by laurencetux · · Score: 1

    1 maybe somebody it waiting for actual INFORMATION before doing an article??
    2 how many articles are in the FireHose about this??
    3 crafting a properly stylish article takes time please stand by
    4 how many GEEKS were killed??

    1. Re:Support Your Local Editors! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      1 maybe somebody it waiting for actual INFORMATION before doing an article??

      That would be newsworthy in and of itself.

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  9. arrogant twerps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Some criticized their move since US intelligence agencies said they were using the Twitter accounts to monitor ISIS movements.

    "We have also been told we are interfering with federal investigations by talking these accounts," said WauchulaGhost, being well aware of the issue.

    "Maybe, maybe not. I see it this way, Daesh are going to create new accounts whether we take them or they are suspended. We are simply helping by exposing locations etc."

    "Once Daesh create a new account, now we know where they are. No need for months of monitoring and wasting taxpayer’s money."

    1. Re:arrogant twerps by speedplane · · Score: 1

      Anonymous does what they want, without process, open debate, or accountability. Even if you agree with what they're doing today, that could easily change tomorrow. Anonymous has no place in modern society.

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  10. Pork by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    Why not just put pictures of bacon on the twitter accounts of ISIS! :-D

    1. Re:Pork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Entry into the USA should require proof of eating bacon. No bacon = no entry.

    2. Re:Pork by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That could put a bit of a strain on the relationship to Israel...

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    3. Re:Pork by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's keep out all those evil vegetarians/vegans.

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  11. Re:Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by TheReaperD · · Score: 2

    It's currently loaded in the firehose. This is a news aggregation site, it takes time. If you want to know what is happening right now you want sources such as twitter though I wouldn't count on the reliability.

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  12. Attention seekers.. by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 1

    This used to be very popular on the Internet. You create a website or a YouTube channel as a "terrorist group" you then declare that you have hacked the website or YouTube channel. Websites that were not getting visitors used to declare that they have been hacked by blah blah blah group. It is an attempt at creating attention for themselves "attention seekers".

  13. Re:Fire Editor David by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    50+ people lost their lives in a shooting and Slashdot still hasn't posted about it/ Do you hate gay people Editor David? Is that why you refuse to cover this story?

    Relax. The news-for-nerds aspects of this story will get plenty of play here in the coming days.

  14. Re: Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Rubbish. Slashdot frequently discusses surveillance, civil liberties, and the crackdowns on freedom due to terror. A massive terror attack will undoubtedly cause the government to consider further increases in surveillance as well as cracking down on second amendment rights. And if the government can crack down on the second amendment, they can just as easily do so to the first, fourth, and fifth amendments. This is absolutely relevant to nerds.

  15. Actually by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

    From what I've heard, your typical ISIS member is so deeper in porn than the Marina Trench (or whatever it is. Think it's Marina.) So they might enjoy it.

  16. Re: How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre to by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 2

    And what good did that do in Paris?

  17. Need to see the pictures by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 2

    How can we tell if the pictures are really offensive if we can't see them? We need to see non-blurred images for purely scientific reasons. Yeah just for scientific reasons. That's it, that's the ticket.

  18. Re: How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre to by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    He said "join the civilised world".

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  19. Re:Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

    It's an aggregator of stuff that's split among a ton of other sites. That's the point - to cherry-pick the interesting stuff and leave the rest of it out there.

    I don't need Slashdot's help to find way too much coverage about the Orlando terrorist attack. Just news.google.com is enough to find way more coverage of it than I possibly could care about.

    E3 and WWDC are both next week. I'm sure Slashdot can find plenty of stories about stuff that's happening then without having to cover a story that's already over-saturated.

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  20. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by sumdumass · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There would have been no difference. The assault weapon ban did not ban the firearm, it banned the firearm from looking a certain way. It was the absolute dumbest ban in the world as you could literally take the flash suppressor off the ar-15, put a wooden or composite stock on it, and it no longer would be banned.

    What would have stopped this is if the type of people (gays are typically leftist) actually carrying a firearm of their own. Of course this is a "gun free zone" which means even that is something not likely to have made any difference unless someone was willing to break the law in the first place. But if only a handful of these 300 people were packing firearms illegally, or even if off duty cops (who would be legally allowed to carry as long as they weren't drinking) they could have stopped it long before it became what it was.

    As it turned out, the only thing that stopped a bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun. While I don't agree with the gay lifestyle, I simply cannot believe none of the gays are good guys. The only thing missing would be the gun.

  21. Re:Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Really? That was the largest shooting in US history? And here I was already wondering why they even dedicate air time for it over here. It even bumped a documentary about Hitler off the air, something that's usually unheard of from our variant of the History Channel. Normally, something like this would at best oust the Ancient Aliens mockumentaries...

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  22. Re: How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre to by bazorg · · Score: 1

    The fact it is a popular venue for gay people does not make it even a tiny bit more adequate for random gun owners to take action - we're talking about a dark place, with loud music and probably a lot of drunken patrons. Some survivors report they thought at first the sound was from music rather than gunfire. It's not difficult to imagine even more casualties if drunk people stop dancing and start shooting each other.

  23. Why porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would post pigs, dogs, ham and wine photos.

  24. Re: Fire Editor David by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    What does one have to do with the other?

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  25. Re: How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre to by sumdumass · · Score: 2

    It was the type of venue that mattered. It's a gun free zone. Gays do typically lean left politically and the left is generally anti gun. It doesn't take complex equations to figure 2+2 in this case.

    But as I mentioned, it is a gun free zone by law (without any regard to the owner's desire) because it serves alcohol. I do agree that consumption of alcohol and firearms to not mix well. But designated drivers and police - on or off duty likely could have made a difference. The thing is, the amount of time involved and the direction of shooting, there would have been plenty of opportunity for someone to attempt to do something. That attempt doesn't mean they would be successful but it also means that they wouldn't have been completely defenseless and at the shooter's mercy.

    The truth is, the only thing that stopped this bad guy with a gun was a good guy with a gun. All I'm saying is that there should be a lot more good guys around when a bad guy shows up.

  26. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    My prejudices? Yup. I sure do hate gun free zones.

    As for the cop, it is undeniable that good guys with a gun stopped the bad guy with a gun. Just because one person was unsuccessful for whatever reason doesn't remove that fact.

    As for coming out of the woodwork, I am specifically responding to someone who thinks making guns look less scary (assault weapons ban) would have somehow prevented this. Now you are completely ignoring the facts which the bad guy was only stopped by good guys with a gun. We don't need more guns, we need more good guys with guns.

  27. Re: Trump 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Actually, Hillary is the one that supported OIF and US involvement in ousting Assad and Gaddifi, but since you're either a paid shill or an idiot (probably both), you'll deny it.

  28. Re: Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's your fault for not participating in the firehose. Slashdot does not report the news. Users submit articles and vote to bring them to discussion.

  29. you DO prefer your violence after football by raymorris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's true, is Europe you like to have your random violence at football matches, don't you.

  30. 72 of them by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Kind of ironic they're being attacked by 72 virgins.

  31. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    You are a complete moron. The assault weapons ban only banned what the weapons look like and little more. It banned the sale of new magazines that could hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition but all the existing high capacity mags were grandfathered in.

    The exact same gun claimed to be an assault weapon in this case ( AR15) could have the stock changed and flash suppressor removed and not be considered an assault weapon even though the functioning mechanics would be identical.

    As for places with no guns, your own home as long as all legal residents agree. Otherwise all it does is deprive a possible defense against an attacker who already doesn't care about the law.

    As for the cops doing a lousy job, it doesn't matter, they shot the guy and he is no longer killing people. It is that simple.

  32. yeh, but... by meglon · · Score: 1

    "There are a few things that the Islamic State fear. One is women and the second is Porn."

    Sounds like conservative Utah.....

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  33. Re: Trump 2016 by NoOneInParticular · · Score: 1

    Trump's not on record for anything. He'll deny when it suits him.

  34. Honeypot by phorm · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I don't know how good it will do in the field, but it would be great to setup a honeypot of some sort. I kinda wonder why they don't do that already, like "to catch a predator" except for f***'ed up would-be terrorists (or perhaps they do and don't mention it much)

  35. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by vux984 · · Score: 2

    You are a complete moron.

    I'm not the poster you are replying to. But actually no. You are mis-reading his post.

    His point was that the gun legislation that passed was only toothless and pointless because of the gun lobby.

    The assault weapons ban only banned what the weapons look like and little more

    Because of the gun lobby.

    but all the existing high capacity mags were grandfathered in.

    Because of the gun lobby.

    The exact same gun claimed to be an assault weapon in this case ( AR15) could have the stock changed and flash suppressor removed and not be considered an assault weapon even though the functioning mechanics would be identical.

    Because of the gun lobby.

    Bottom line, the gun lobby is MORE responsible for that piece of shit legislation than the anti-gun lobby. They lobbied until it was pointless, and then laughed all the way home when it passed.

    As for places with no guns, your own home as long as all legal residents agree

    Back in the 1880s entire towns were gun free zones.

      "You could wear your gun into town, but you had to check it at the sheriff's office or the Grand Hotel, and you couldn't pick it up again until you were leaving town," -- regarding Tombstone, AZ

    And drinking establishments have traditionally had rules about turning in your weapons also going back to the "wild west".

  36. Re: How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre to by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Good guy with pistol
    vs
    Bad guy with an AR-15 assault rifle and the element of surprise, in a crowded club.

    A bystander with a gun might have been able to take him out, but not before he managed to get a few kills in. Maybe the death toll would have been ten or twenty, rather than fifty, but it wouldn't avert the shooting. Just reduce the severity. I'd expect the lives saved in the occasional shooting spree to be more than offset by the lives lost in accidents, misunderstandings and disproportionate responses.

  37. Naaah. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    Naked women are okay for the Muslim, "sluts will get what's coming to them".

    Anonymous should be posting pictures of the most delicious bacon dishes.

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  38. Re: How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre to by bazorg · · Score: 1

    but it wouldn't avert the shooting. Just reduce the severity.

    If you re optimistic, yes. Another possibility is that instead of 1 good guy with a gun being a hero and living another day, you could have 4 guys attempting to be heroes and failing, causing even more panic and more victims. It's a tough one.

    When this sort of thing happens in Africa, the governments and UN work on a nation-wide disarmament. A lot of civilians would be unhappy but it would go ahead, with support from multi-national peacekeeping forces.

  39. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    Define assault weapons for me.

    As for towns in territories, it used to be constitutional and legal to literally own and whip/beat another human being. Not all laws are just. Not all laws are constitutional.

  40. Congrats by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    We need to capture people like Mateen alive, so that their minds can be disassembled using the latest techniques to root out the ISIS command trees in Western countries. Every dead terrorist is a good terrorist, but it's also one we can't get information from.

    Congrats: you're as monstrous as them.

    Also as dumb as a bag of hammers by advocating behavior that justifies their cause, aka running Bin Laden's playbook.

    1. Re:Congrats by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about drugs and sensory deprivation, not torture. Torture is only good for intimidating people, which is why the jihadists use so much of it. When we want to intimidate people, we use drones.

  41. Re: Slashdot won't acknowledge gay murder by baristabrian · · Score: 1

    50 people were killed. Ok. Tragic. Is it "newsworthy" because they *may* have been ... gay? If so, then the fact 50,000 are killed every year in US auto accidents is *not* newsworthy is ... because we don't know whether they were gay or not? Ok. I see how that works. A "thousand" (ok, actually "just" several hundred) blacks are murdered in Chicago *every* year. But, that's not news ... because ... their gayness is not certifiable? WTF? Just saying.

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  42. Porn doesn't bother them by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

    Regardless of what they say, the fact that they take women and use them as sex slaves demonstrates that a naked woman doesn't really offend them. They might not admit that porn turns them on, but it will.

    If you're trying to piss ISIS off, post stuff supporting -other- religions. Pictures of Jesus, the cross, the Star of David, the Wheel of Dharma. Post links to positive stories about other religions. Post scripture from any holy book other than the Qur'an. Hell, post Chick Tracts.

  43. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by vux984 · · Score: 1

    Define assault weapons for me

    I think we both know that is pointless.

    The solution to american gun violence isn't going to come from a ban on X, for some definition of X.

    As for towns in territories, it used to be constitutional and legal to literally own and whip/beat another human being. Not all laws are just. Not all laws are constitutional.

    And?

  44. Re: How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre to by robinsc · · Score: 1

    This doesn't happen in countries where you can't get your hands on a gun without sweating blood.
    Having draconian gun laws stops lone gunman massacres cold. It does not stop terrorist massacres because they generally have access to illegal weaponry but this kind of thing would be stopped. Just looking at the frequency at which this happens in the states compared with say India should show you that US gun laws are lethal and gun control is non existent. Anyone who really wants a gun can get one.

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  45. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    I see..

    You cannot define assault weapon without falling into the exact same problem of it only describing how scary the weapon looks. But if you tried, it would be obvious to you that you were part of the gun lobby because that is the boogeyman you want to blame your misgivings on.

    And the point is. . Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it was right or should be repeated. Or do you think the lie detection process of dunking someone under water to see if they are a witch should be revived? I mean it was foolproof. If they lived, they lied and was a witch and needed killing but if they died, they were telling the truth.

  46. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by vux984 · · Score: 1

    You cannot define assault weapon without falling into the exact same problem of it only describing how scary the weapon looks.

    Not at all. I'd define it based on sustained rate-of-fire including reload, and general suitability for engaging/killing unarmored human targets at short range.

    But what would that actually accomplish? A ban on firearms within those constraints would never pass. (And honestly, it shouldn't pass. At some point the guns themselves aren't the problem.)

    Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it was right or should be repeated.

    Obviously. Nobody disputes that.
    Sometimes the past got it right.

    So merely pointing out that sometimes the past got it wrong doesn't make any particular argument about gun rights. And tangents about beating people or dunking people are just irrelevant; in support of a claim nobody is disputing.

  47. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    So a revolver is an assault weapon? Check out Bob Munden and Jerry Mikulec. Any gun with a magazine or clip? At what rate do you cross that threshold. For instance, oswald let off 3 aimed shots in under 8 seconds with a bolt action rifle. Aiming took up most that time too. And while not ideal, any weapon capable of killing at long range will be capable at short range. In a crowd like the night club, you don't even need to aim, just point.

    You are describing about any gun other than muzzle loaders. That is why it would never pass. But suppose it did. Obviously those assault weapons exist so what is to stop them from being accessed and used. Hopefully not a war on drugs or something.

  48. Re:How about you support HR 4269, ban massacre too by vux984 · · Score: 1

    So a revolver is an assault weapon?

    Maybe some are. If the average trained amateur can shoot 100 people within a few minutes span with a vanilla revolver, then yes, why wouldn't it be considered an assault weapon?

    At what rate do you cross that threshold

    I left it open ended. How big of a massacre will you tolerate?

    For instance, oswald let off 3 aimed shots in under 8 seconds with a bolt action rifle.

    Could he have have sustained that rate for 150-200 rounds though? And killed 50 people in a span of minutes? While moving around a crowded nightclub?

    And while not ideal, any weapon capable of killing at long range will be capable at short range.

    I stipulated it should be "suitable" not merely "capable". Long barrel high caliber with substantial recoil -- sure its absolutely capable of killing people at close range or 2 miles away, but its not terribly suitable for rushing a crowded building and killing people indiscriminately -- you won't be able to sustain the rate of fire; move while firing; nor effectively enter rooms or turn corners...etc. Its big and bulky and good luck firing two rounds in the same direction while moving... there's a reason the army doesn't use big rifles while moving through buildings...because they are entirely unsuitable for the job.

    You are describing about any gun other than muzzle loaders

    Not really.

    But you are still proving my point about why it was pointless to try and define assault weapons in the first place.

    Some dumb ass will start listing corner cases and citing what exhibition shooters are capable of. Because if a world renowned exhibition shooter acheives a rate of fire with a revolver comparable to an amateur with a semi-automatic rifle... well then I guess they are exactly the same thing. Right?

    Pointless.

    Obviously those assault weapons exist so what is to stop them from being accessed and used.

    31% of the worlds mass shootings are in the US, 5% of the people are. Don't assault weapons exist in the rest of the world too? What stops them from being accessed and used with such frequency everywhere else?