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Microsoft Announces Xbox One S, Project Scorpio Gaming Consoles (engadget.com)

Details of Microsoft's rumored new console have dropped ahead of the company's conference at E3 tradeshow Monday. It appears the long-anticipated smaller and more powerful variant of company's current console is real. According to a leaked press render, Microsoft will be announcing the Xbox One S (where S stands for Slim) at the gaming event. The Xbox One S will be 40 percent smaller than the Xbox One, and pack in more powerful processing and graphics muscle. According to the render, the Xbox One S will come with a 2TB hard drive, and feature support for 4K video playback and High Dynamic Range. According to separate reports, the Xbox One S is likely to be priced at $399 for the 2TB variant. Update: 06/13 16:58 GMT by M : Microsoft has officially taken the wraps off the product. It will be available for purchase starting August. AnandTech has more details.Also at its event, Microsoft announced Xbox Play Anywhere. The Verge reports: It lets you buy participating cross-platform games once, and own them on both platforms. If you buy a game on Xbox One it will simply appear in your Windows 10 library, and vice versa, and your saved games, achievements, and other information will carry over between the two versions.Microsoft also unveiled "Project Scorpio", a high-powered Xbox One launching next year that is capable of supporting 4K content as well as virtual reality headsets. "We are creating more choice in your gaming experience than ever before," said Xbox chief Phil Spencer to open Microsoft's E3 conference. No word on its pricing yet.

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  1. not enough by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they should make it 100% smaller and stop polluting slashdot

  2. Me too, much? by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So Sony announced a 4K PS4 and Surprise! There's now going to be a 4K Xbox one. Well who didn't see that coming. Of course now they effectively both destroyed the console lifecycle I expect we'll soon see the law of diminishing returns kick in as people stop buying consoles because they're worried they might out of date in a few years rather than the usual 5 or more.

    1. Re:Me too, much? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm just waiting for the Nintendo Wii U 2K.

    2. Re:Me too, much? by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      The next console by Nintendo is currently codenamed "NX" and according to reports, it will be capable of 4K video. It will be released in fall 2017.

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    3. Re:Me too, much? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2

      they effectively both destroyed the console lifecycle I expect we'll soon see the law of diminishing returns kick in as people stop buying consoles because they're worried they might out of date in a few years rather than the usual 5 or more.

      Exactly the opposite. Now you can buy an older generation console for less if you don't need the latest features but still play the latest games with your friends who do rush out to buy the latest and greatest. More importantly you'll be able to play your games in higher quality later when the latest and greatest drops in price.

      If you're budget conscious this is a great change for consoles. Let's compare:

      Before:
      You buy the Xbox 360 for $199 when the Xbox One came out at $499. You don't need 1080p, you don't care that much about graphics and the xbox360 is "enough". You play that for the last few years and now you're starting to see some Xbox One exclusives that aren't coming to the 360 and you can't play with your friends who have now almost all bought Xbox Ones. So you buy an Xbox One for $299. Oh, but your copy of Battlefield 4 only works through the Backwards Compatibility feature. Oh and also you still can't play with your friends because it's still the Xbox 360 version of the game. And the game still looks like the Xbox 360 version. You upgraded but everything is the same or worse. So you now buy Battlefield 4 Xbox One Edition and have paid twice.

      Future:
      You buy an Xbox One S for $199 when Scorpio is released. You don't have a 4k HDR TV and you don't play in VR so the discounted console is a great value. You can still play with all of your friends who have the latest and greatest HDR 4k TV. After a couple years you also buy a 4k HDR TV so you want some of the new features. So you spring for the now discounted Scorpio Slim (The now-latest Xbox in 2020 is sporting raytraced reflections and shadows and global illumination lighting) for $299. Your games look awesome on your new console. You don't have to rebuy anything. Your controllers still work with your new console and you can play with gamers on the "Next-Gen" console just without the whizbang features. And to top it all off, you're able to play the same game on your tablet on the plane without having to buy a PC version in addition to the console version. The resolution is lower and the framerate isn't as good but it's good for killing time at 30k feet.

  3. Alleged to be one of two new models by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If credible reports are to be believed, the XB1-S is the first of two successors to the current XB1. There is a second machine, rumoured to have significantly upgraded internals, which is apparently due next year, to compete with the PS4 Neo. This might, of course, all be proven wrong within the next few hours following MS's E3 presentation.

    But if the reports are correct, then things start to look very odd. The XB1-S described in TFA looks like a pretty normal mid-generation hardware refresh, similar to the 360-S or the PS3-slim from the last generation. It reduces the form-factor and apparently adds support for 4k Blu-Rays (the current XB1 can do 4k video output, but there is currently pretty much nothing that makes use of it), but doesn't do much else. So far, so sane. But then this is apparently only going to be given a few months on the market before a significantly more powerful "XB1.5" is released, which will offer a significantly bigger step up.

    There's something not quite right with this current console generation. It's hard to put a finger on precisely what - the sales numbers (even for the XB1) are pretty great compared to the last generation - but there is definitely something that isn't quite gelling. Despite being over two and a half years old, the software libraries for the PS4 and XB1 remain fairly thin, being light on the major exclusives that have powered previous generations and heavy on "HD remasters" of old games. If, like me, you prefer to game on a PC, the reasons to own the new consoles look pretty thin (and I sort-of regret my own purchases).

    I don't know whether there is something sinister emerging in the financials which the public can't see, but both Sony and MS seem to be spooked in a way that the numbers don't quite support (MS's position isn't what they wanted, but is also by no means bad). I still can't work out why, at a point in the cycle when they should be enjoying the huge third-party licensing fees that should be rolling in thanks to their large installed base, Sony are taking a massive gamble and splitting their user-base with the PS4 Neo. Slightly more understandable is why MS would feel the need to follow suit, but even that doesn't quite feel right. All the omens for Nintendo's NX look pretty dire, so I doubt it's that which has Sony or MS spooked.

    As I say, hard to put my finger on it, but there is definitely something odd going on.

    1. Re:Alleged to be one of two new models by DrXym · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Just because it does 4K doesn't mean it will support Bluray UHD. Supporting 4K could just mean more VRAM and support for HEVC in hardware. Supporting Bluray UHD means changing the drive to read 4-layer discs and other technical requirements which Microsoft might not feel so inclined to do when the main beneficiary is Sony.

      It seems more likely that they'll toss in 4K support for streaming services and leave it at that.

    2. Re:Alleged to be one of two new models by RogueyWon · · Score: 3

      Might be right.

      One thing it certainly won't be is 4k gaming, despite some of the more excitable comments around this and the PS4 Neo. We know what practical 4k gaming requires on PC (even the new Nvidia 1080 paired with an i7 6700k isn't quite there in terms of consistently acceptable performance) and the PS4 Neo specs fall far short of that. I doubt there's a new iteration of the XB1 on the way that will be significantly more powerful than the PS4 Neo.

    3. Re:Alleged to be one of two new models by nateman1352 · · Score: 2

      Your right, there is something amiss this time. This is the first time consoles are architecturally identical to a standard PC system. It is also the first time that none of the consoles attempted to push technology forward in any way (the chips in both consoles are nothing to write home about performance wise, even at the time of the console's launch.) At the same time, small form factor PCs like NUCs were getting popular. Combined with Steam, PC manufactures started building gaming systems that *directly* competed with consoles in the living room. All things considered, consoles are exposed to the PC refresh cycle much more than ever before. Neither Sony or MSFT were concerned since the game software developers just target the lowest common denominator anyway.

      The big miscalculation that both manufactures made is two emerging disruptive technologies have shown up. First... VR. Second, neither manufacturer predicted how aggressively TV manufactures would rapidly push the price of 4K displays down. Both of these offer compelling experiences that current gen pedestrian hardware design choices are incapable of driving. So the current gen consoles are going to end up having a short life. Otherwise the market is going to shift to the PC and leave them in the dust.

  4. Re:Optical Drive....? by DrXym · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Because downloading a 50GB file is not something people like doing. Aside from that, digital copies tend to cost more money and of course you can't sell, loan or donate them as you see fit.

    Microsoft originally intended to embed a unique serial # into each disc so that it became bound to the first account that played the game. A bit like a product code. Turns out people really hated that idea. It was partly this and the Kinect debacle that gave the PS4 an early lead.

  5. Re:Who needs 4k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Knowing what group of terrorists one is referring to is important. Were they Eco terrorists, anti-gov terrorists, radical Islamic terrorists, radical Christian terrorists or what?

    Yes, if a Christian claims his faith made him do i'd call them radical Christian terrorists.

  6. Re:Optical Drive....? by blackomegax · · Score: 2

    The games are all 50-60GB and very very few people have enough internet to handle that very well. Plus, physical media is great DRM.

  7. Seattle Director's Rule by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If your machine lacks an optical drive, and the best home Internet connection in your area is satellite or cellular with a cap on the order of 5 to 15 GB/mo, good luck carrying your console and a monitor into town every time you want to install a game, even if you aren't using online multiplayer. Many rural users are in this situation due to the DSL distance limit. And in Seattle, Washington, the Director's Rule requires a supermajority of nearby landowners to approve any construction, where failure to respond counts as a no vote, and vacant properties also count as a no vote.

    1. Re:Seattle Director's Rule by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why don't they partner with game shops (and walmart and other retailers) to put a computer in their store where you can load games onto a hard drive. Bring in a USB hard drive, enter your xbox live ID or scan a barcode that corresponds to your account. An encrypted copy of the game is put on the hard disk. You bring the hard disk home, and the game is copied onto the console and decrypted by the fact that it's connected to your account. You could probably even set up a system where-by digital games could be shared/sold between different accounts by deactivating the game on one person's account, and activating it on another person's account. That way you could just bring a hard disk full of games over to your friend's house, instead of having to cart around a bunch of discs.

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  8. Oculus Rift by backslashdot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with trying to stuff augmented reality and VR down our throats this early is that the screen door effect is still very prominent. The only way to get rid of the screen door effect is to provide a 5K resolution display per eye. AR and VR will fail because they tried to bring it out too early.

  9. Re:Optical Drive....? by jabuzz · · Score: 2

    I have drunk the streaming Kool-Aid as has the rest of my family. Actually handling physical discs is rubbish, especially with young children.

    However it's our "own" streaming Kool-Aid and as such we need physical CD's, DVD's and BluRay's to rip from. A good VDSL2 internet connection with lots of upload means we all share the same server despite being located all over the UK.

  10. Volume or Each dimension? by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    40% smaller in volume translates to 16% smaller in each dimension. Whoo hoo!! that's so exciting.

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  11. Re:Optical Drive....? by westlake · · Score: 2

    Why does anything need an optical drive in 2016?

    There are no bandwidth caps on delivery through Amazon Prime. 4K Blu-ray quality HDR video with theatrical sound? Not a problem. Exclusive streaming-media deals? Not a problem if you pre-order the disk.