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Australian 'Bitcoin Founder' Quietly Bidding For Patent Empire (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Craig Wright, the Australian who claimed to be the inventor of bitcoin, is attempting to build a large patent portfolio around the digital currency and technology underpinning it, according to associates of his and documents reviewed by Reuters. Since February, Wright has filed more than 50 patent applications in Britain through Antigua-registered EITC Holdings Ltd, which a source close to the company confirmed was connected to Wright, government records show. Interviews with sources close to EITC Holdings Ltd, which has two of Wright's associates as directors, confirmed it was still working on filing patent applications and Britain's Intellectual Property Office has published another 11 patent applications filed by the company in the past week. The granting of even some of the patents would be significant for banking and other industries that are trying to exploit bitcoin technologies, as well as dozens of start-ups scurrying to build business models based around it. Patents that Wright has applied for range from a mechanism for paying securely for online content to an operating system for running an "internet of things" on blockchain. A patent schedule, one of a number of documents relating to the applications shown to Reuters by a person close to the EITC Holdings, outlines plans to apply for about 400 in total.

45 comments

  1. Mmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As most of this had been already publicly released how comes that they don't fall under prior art (and the fact that software patents are not enforceable in Europe)?

    1. Re:Mmmmm by Ubi_NL · · Score: 2

      They do, unless he patents something completely new that builds upon existing technoogy. Now some European patent offices have the tendency to rubber-stamp everything and have the courts sort out the prior art when somebody starts complaining, so there is actually a way he gets his patents approved and create a hurdle for small outfits. In any case, if there is indeed prior art, you can submit objections and proof of this prior art during the approval process.

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    2. Re:Mmmmm by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      In any case, if there is indeed prior art, you can submit objections and proof of this prior art during the approval process.

      ...and pray you have enough money to outlast them in a long-winding court case after which none of your expenses will be reimbursed if you win.

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    3. Re:Mmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If he was the original inventor, some countries allow for delayed (patent pending) filing. You can then use that country's patent as a bridge to other countries that have IP treaties and launch a full scale attack on everything bitcoin.

    4. Re:Mmmmm by Troed · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... which is why Craig went on the whole trying-to-claim-he's-Satoshi spree which was immediately proven to be a fraud. One of the things he did was to insert current info into old posts, and backdating things, to make it appear he's been "in" Bitcoin longer than he has.

      He's hoping there's enough doubt at the patent office to grant him the patents, with those dates as precedence.

    5. Re:Mmmmm by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      Ehhhh you might want to re-examine the assumptions

      http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2015...

      Premium Channel Promotion System and Method is one of the patents in here

      Take a look at that and ask yourself if TV Guide didn't have prior art 60+ years ago.

    6. Re:Mmmmm by Whatanut · · Score: 1

      I think you're confusing approval process with litigation process. If you submit prior after the patent has been awarded, sure...

      Of course, I'm not all that familiar with the approval process. So perhaps I'm missing something.

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    7. Re: Mmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Software patents may not be enforceable in Europe *now*, but TTIP will take care of that. And watch out for retroactivity... It's going to be a riot! :)

    8. Re:Mmmmm by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      money, MONEY, I don need no stinkin monies, I make my own. So if those are patents on crypto currency and crypto currency is so great, then surely you must be able to pay those patents fees with your crypto currency or are they saying crypto currency is shite and they want to get paid with real money, so what does that make crypto currency and those patents worth - nothing?!?

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    9. Re:Mmmmm by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 2

      This brings up an interesting question: would the actual Satoshi Nakamoto (whether or not that's the actual Craig Wright) have made more money by mining a lot of early bitcoin for cheap and sitting on a hoard until it takes off, as apparently was done, or would he (or she) make more money by "coming out" to patent bitcoin technology in advance before it became "prior art" (as it is today) and simply let others mine the initial cheap bitcoin? In other words, would the early patents have been worth more than the early bitcoin?

  2. no kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trying to lure out the real Satoshi, are we?

    1. Re:no kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way this guy is bold enough to try this shit is if he *knows* Satoshi is dead

    2. Re:no kidding by Raenex · · Score: 1

      The only way this guy is bold enough to try this shit is if he *knows* Satoshi is dead

      Nick Szabo is dead?

  3. The worst thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... these will probably be granted and fiercely defended. People M-DEL Leeches who attempt to profit from the hard work of a community make my blood boil.

    I am of course assuming he has no legitimate claim to them given he declined to give evidence that he is in fact Satoshi Nakamoto.

    1. Re:The worst thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't decline to.
      Well, let me rephrase. He *promised* to on a couple of occasions, and then failed to.

  4. The way to test. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real satoshi has a mathematically incontrovertible signature he can use to sign and publish messages to the world, so there is no need to lure that person out. The original also, intentionally, released and spread his paper and code, and distributed efforts throughout a community for both development and adoption, which would indicate any claims of infringement to copyright (the validly applicable area of law, unlike patents, which would cover inventions in the computing machine or some other hardware, but not mere instructions).

    More interesting is what happens if Wright gets legally recognized: I say freeze his accounts and assets, and then demand that he move sufficient bitcoin to cover the back-dues in tax and penalties. If he can't, or the money comes from elsewhere (rather than Satoshi moving his chunk of the blockchain and converting into cash), then we know he is either a psychopathic, entrepeneurial conman, or the face of a government operation to try to engineer its way into owning and controlling bitcoin via legal grants and decree.

  5. Shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    It sure looks like someone is making a lot of money from creating bitcoin, and it's shameful. Bitcoin was developed as a tool to allow criminals to easy pay for contraband or illegal services without being tracked by law enforcement. Legitimate businesses do not accept bitcoin as payment and banks do not process this rogue currency. It's sad and genuinely shameful to see someone profit so greatly through creating tools to support criminal activity.

    1. Re:Shameful by Shimbo · · Score: 2

      It sure looks like someone is making a lot of money from creating bitcoin, and it's shameful. Bitcoin was developed as a tool to allow criminals to easy pay for contraband or illegal services without being tracked by law enforcement.

      Are you sure about that? In my more paranoid moments I wonder if the whole Bitcoin ecosystem was created as a honeypot by a three letter agency. Sure, if you're scrupulous about it you can preserve your anonymity - but it only takes one slip.

    2. Re:Shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you trolling? Bitcoin does not actually provide any anonymity and every single transaction is tracked for all time. Amazon accept bitcoins, as does Paypal and many banks.

    3. Re:Shameful by gavron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's clear you like to make up things and then be sad and guilt others about these fictions.

      Bitcoin isn't a tool, it's a currency.
      It wasn't developed to allow criminals to pay. It was developed to create a decentralized currency.
      It has nothing to do with law enforcement tracking avoidance -- the blockchain is public. The users are not but can be backtraced.
      Legitimate businesses (like Dell) do accept Bitcoin but that's a chicken/egg argument and doesn't add nor detract from BCs legitimacy.
      Rogue currency - currencies aren't rogue. Rogue means "dishonest or unprincipled". Currencies don't have either. You're just trying to paint it in your colors.
      It's sad and genuinely shameful to read your hate piece on BC. Sorry you know nothing about it.

      I think BC is speculative crap but at least I don't make up falsehoods like your stuff above to get there.

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    4. Re:Shameful by bzn · · Score: 1

      Hell, even Dell took bitcoin for a while there...

    5. Re: Shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criminals also use cash, thus by your logic, cash was created for use by criminals.

      Do any criminals own cars, guns, or have children? Then all of those things were created just for criminals and they should all be destroyed!!!

    6. Re:Shameful by DogDude · · Score: 1

      I agree that it seems like a honeypot, but for the reason that Bitcoin is incredibly UN-anonymous, and perfectly traceable. I think that some government anti-crime agency set it up to catch stupid criminals.

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    7. Re:Shameful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you defeat JoinMarket? Somebody stole some bitcoins from me and I want them back.

  6. Fucking misleading descriptions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He didn't claim to be the inventor of BitCon, he was CLAIMED TO BE the inventor of BitCon. Fuck BitCon and fuck that guy, but at least fucking try to be objective in the descriptions.

    1. Re:Fucking misleading descriptions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And he subsequently started claiming he was indeed Satoshi.

    2. Re:Fucking misleading descriptions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking serious? They made wild accusations that he was Satoshi. The media stamped him Satoshi, and when they asked him "you're Satoshi, right?", he said "Sure, I'm Satoshi". After that the media, and everybody retard around the Internet, started demanding proof that he was Satoshi.

      Imagine this:

      Somebody claims you're a lottery winner. You say, "sure I won the lottery". Then they start demanding proof that you really are the lottery winner.

      The question is, why the fuck would you have to prove that to anybody?

    3. Re:Fucking misleading descriptions! by goarilla · · Score: 1

      So he was made to be called a liar. I can believe that.
      But why oh why is he now taking this even further ?

    4. Re:Fucking misleading descriptions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually he did exactly that. More than once. He was running a long con dating back to 2013.

  7. Rap by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

    Drop it like it's hot! Drop it like it's hot! Will the real Satoshi please stand up? I repeat, will the real Satoshi please stand up?

    1. Re:Rap by JcMorin · · Score: 1

      I hope not, the best Satoshi could do is release a signed message telling the world he is not Craig Wright

  8. Dear anonymous, please to fix by dirtyhippie · · Score: 0

    Kthxbai

  9. Welcome to the real world kids by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    If you don't patent your invention then someone else eventually will. You can whine and bitch all night long about how unfair it is, it won't change anything. Life is unfair. The real satoshi could easily have patented it and given the patent to the community. He chose not to. Oh well, too bad.

    1. Re:Welcome to the real world kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He chose to publish instead. You can't patent something you've already publicly described. And no one else can either.

      This assumes the patent office is a rational actor following the law of course.

    2. Re:Welcome to the real world kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Say goodbye to HTTP and HTML then! Since they weren't patented someone will surely patent them and shut down the web!

      It was the fact theses technologies were not prohibitively encumbered by copyright and patents that enabled their broad adoption.

      Many Gopher daemons required expensive commercial licensing fees and sent many requests for payment of license to users of the Gopher software, often when they were being used for personal or hobby use. This is why permissive licenses and the GPL expressly permit commercial use.

      Patent trolls will be trolls. This does not mean that patents are good for business. Nor do patents protect your business. If you have a few patents then a business or troll with a larger portfolio can still sue you out of existence. NPR's This American Life podcast covered this subject: "When Patents Attack"

      There is no evidence that patents are beneficial or necessary. We made it all the way through the personal computer revolution without having patents on any software. It's time to do the experiment and abolish patents. If we want we can reinstate them later after gathering evidence to determine whether they're good or bad. Until then the hypothesis that "patents = good" is a bunch of untested bullshit unsupported by any facts, and ignores all the evidence from industries not protected by copyright or patents (such as automotive design and the fashion industry) which are innovative and more lucrative than any other industries which have "Intellectual Property".

      Oh noes! Whatever shall we do? Clothing and Car designs can't be patented! Every car and wardrobe will be exactly the same stagnant design because their's no patent incentive to innovate!

      Welcome to the real world, here's your reality check. Have your geek card stamped at the door, every tenth post the karma is free.

    3. Re:Welcome to the real world kids by retchdog · · Score: 1

      there's no need to be "rational" when you are the one writing, implementing, or enforcing the laws; in fact it would be irrational to be "rational". why play the rigged game, when you can play the rigging the game other people are playing game?

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    4. Re:Welcome to the real world kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life is unfair.

      This is one of the dumbest sayings in the English language. Because other things are unfair doesn't mean that the subject in question shouldn't and can't be fair. Satoshi thought the Fed was unfair, and know what he did? Not throw his hands up and smugly declare "life is unfair" like he's the first wise man to discover how to give up on problems - he rolled up his sleeves and did something about it.

    5. Re:Welcome to the real world kids by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      He chose to publish instead. You can't patent something you've already publicly described.

      Not true, at least in the USA. It looks like the rules have gotten more complicated, but there are at least some ways in which you can publicly describe it, and still patent it within a year. See http://www.flhlaw.com/Not-YOur...

  10. Nathan Myhrvold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nathan, is that you?

  11. Patent Trolls Need Money Too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In most countries you will not be able to patent something that's been used and sold in markets in one form or another for a significant time.

    If you invented something and it has been published without a patent you have a timeframe to file a patent and claim it, otherwise your patent is invalid, but every country is different.

    The 'real' satoshi may not want to be identified, hence no ability to patent the technology. Even if you do patent you invention, if it's a big market then predatory patent companies will attempt to patent or buy every patent they can that's similar. If they have a good enough case on paper they might just get millions in out of court settlements, ideally from each company with each company signing non-disclosure agreements. They will legally blackmail each company with their patents, leverage the cost of defending against the case as the value of the settlement, not the actual legitimacy of the patent claim.

    So, to run a big corporation you must have a good legal team to fight against these guys, but the patents still wind up making the big corporations a lot more than they lose in patent lawsuits. It's the normal, medium and smaller business that can really get screwed, especially startups that get targeted early. They get little benefit from patent laws and they are easy targets for a well oiled patent trolling machine.

    You can bitch and whine all you want about not patenting you invention, but that will not stop patent trolls like this guy. He will just buy all similar patents until he has a case that he thinks a judge will be forced to take seriously, from there he can attempt to bargain time and court costs for direct pay-offs or settlements. It's legal blackmail and it's easy to do with a little startup money and no annoying morals to hold you down, especially on a niche market that relies on technology like bitcoin. Digital markets are especially easy to patent troll since they still rapidly changing and confuse judges and well everyone really.

     

  12. 400? by transami · · Score: 1

    400 patents for one idea? What the fuck! I think Bitcoin could probably be fully explained in less than 1,600 words, if well thought out. That's a patent for every four words.

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  13. In that case by foolishness · · Score: 1

    I'm gonna patent cupping a fart in my hand and shoving it in someone's face. When is this nonsense going to stop.

    1. Re:In that case by lhowaf · · Score: 1

      I believe there is prior art.

  14. For the record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Craig Wright didn't have anything whatsoever to do with creating bitcoin, and it has been repeatedly demonstrated that he is a fraud and a (successful) scammer.

    He defrauded the Australian government out of millions of dollars. He also put himself squarely in the crosshairs of some extremely bad people when he started running his whole "I am Satoshi" scam. The kind of people who have no problem doing terrible things to potentially get their hands on a fortune worth hundreds of millions of dollars that a person might allegedly have, just on the off chance that he wasn't lying.

    That's the thing about being a career criminal. You live by the sword and you die by the sword.

  15. Andrew O'Hagan has lengthy piece on Wright by Maow · · Score: 1

    Published at London Review of Books, it's a very interesting read (not finished it myself yet).

    I'm not personally involved in Bitcoin in any way what-so-ever, but I stayed up way, way too late last night reading the LRB article.

    O'Hagan also has one about Julian Assange, who I also have not one bit of interest it, that I couldn't stop reading.