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Facebook Offers Political Bias Training In Wake Of Trending Controversy (gizmodo.com)

Michael Nunez, reporting for Gizmodo:Facebook is adding political scenarios to its orientation training following concerns, first reported by Gizmodo, that workers were suppressing conservative topics in its Trending news section. Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook's chief operating officer, announced the change during an interview with conservative leader Arthur Brooks, president of the prominent conservative think tank the American Enterprise Institute. Brooks also attended a private meeting between Facebook executives and prominent conservative leaders following the controversy. "We had an ex-contractor on that team who accused us of liberal bias," Sandberg said during the interview. "Frankly, it rang true to some people because there is concern that Silicon Valley companies have a liberal bias. We did a thorough investigation, and we didn't find a liberal bias."

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  1. In other news... by Shatrat · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...the NRA did a thorough investigation, and didn't find a conservative bias.

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    1. Re:In other news... by Woldscum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...the NRA did a thorough investigation, and didn't find a conservative bias.

      National Rifle Association founded in 1871. Are you referring to the the oldest civil rights group in america?

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Fox News conducted a thorough investigation and concluded no evidence of rampant right-wing bias.
      - Police investigations reveal no evidence of abuse of Civil Asset Forfeiture.

      This funny thing happens when you investigate yourself; even if you're honest you start from the notion that you're not doing anything wrong and you only look for evidence that confirms your own world-view.

    3. Re:In other news... by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      in other other news the obama DOJ investigated itself and found no wrongdoing

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    4. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a civil right. See here.

    5. Re:In other news... by sexconker · · Score: 1, Troll

      Uh, gun ownership and use is a right. It applies to civilians. It's a civil right.

    6. Re:In other news... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      ...the NRA did a thorough investigation, and didn't find a conservative bias.

      So, they shot the bias claims full of holes, eh.
         

    7. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a civil right. See here.

      You're right.

      The right to bear arms is so much more than a civil right - if's a fundamental right of every individual.

      Even Germans in movie theaters.

    8. Re:In other news... by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      Horseshit. See here

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    9. Re:In other news... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Of course the National Rifle Association is not a civil right, it's an association. But any association can be concerned with civil rights, even if selectively, as seems likely in their case.

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    10. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:In other news... by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Gun ownership is a natural right.

    12. Re:In other news... by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      That's not a civil right. See here.

      You didn't read your link did you ?

      A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury.

    13. Re:In other news... by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope.

      LOL if that isn't sad and twisted.

      So the right to defend yourself and to have the means to do so is not a civil right.

      By that reasoning there are no rights.

    14. Re: In other news... by dnaumov · · Score: 0

      Except for the tiny little problem of firearms not occuring naturally in this universe.

    15. Re: In other news... by WarJolt · · Score: 1

      There has been a steep rise on both sides where individuals on one side are completely disgusted by individuals with opposing views. Liberals are disgusted with conservatives and conservatives are disgusted with liberals. The bias doesn't disturb me. It's the intolerance of opposing views.

    16. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a civil liberty not a civil right. They are different legal concepts, and confusing them is not only disingenuous it is illiterate.

    17. Re:In other news... by khallow · · Score: 1

      It's a civil liberty not a civil right.

      They aren't mutually exclusive. The grandparent was correct.

    18. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure? If there are naturally occurring fission reactors on earth, I find it hard to believe there aren't natural firearms. All it takes is some methane, a tube, something sitting in the tube and a spark.

    19. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll, you need to stop using your other 100 accounts to mod up your own posts.

    20. Re: In other news... by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The bias doesn't disturb me. It's the intolerance of opposing views.

      As I've always said, if you can't argue the opposing view on any contentious topic, you don't understand the topic and shouldn't hold a strong view. It's so damn easy to attribute the opposing view to malice or trolling, as it takes no effort.

      This always pissed me off growing up, when some on the religious right would claim that gays were only have same-sex sex out of a desire to be evil, not a sincere desire for the same sex. Total lack of understanding. More recently I've seem the exact same ignorance in reverse, where people on the progressive left would claim that the only reason conservatives could oppose gay marriage was hatred of gays, and no other reason was sincere. Same total lack of understanding.

      Intolerance of opposing views comes mostly from ignorance of the rationale for those views, which is simple intellectual laziness. The worst part is, people seem proud of this ignorance.

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    21. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      National Rifle Association founded in 1871. Are you referring to the the oldest civil rights group in america?

      Both the Republican and Democratic Parties are older, so the NRA can't be the oldest.

      Sorry.

      You'd have a better case with the Sons of Liberty, or the Society of the Cincinnati.

    22. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think phrasing the second amendment as "gun ownership" is wrong on two accounts:
      1. It is the right to both keep and bear arms (such that states which prevent someone from having a firearm with them in any capacity have been found in contempt).
      2. While most challenges to this right are surrounding firearms the right includes other weapons, many of which are less complex and basically do occur in nature (sharp sticks for example).

      That said the idea that this is a natural right rather than a civil one is correct; it is not primarily the interaction between multiple civilians that concerns this rule but between persons and governments.

    23. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and this is why a Second American Civil War is inevitable. Oddly, the first shot was fired last week in the UK.

    24. Re:In other news... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yes, the organization that in recent decades has gained a very strong conservative bias and moved it's primary focus away from gun safety and towards gun rights lobbying. Are you trying to imply that they're centrist?

    25. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If something occurs naturally, you don't have any natural right to own it. If that were the way things worked, someone would have long since claimed ownership of the sun and started demanding payment for sunlight.

    26. Re:In other news... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      lol i wish i had enough time to waste playing mod games on slashdot. but i dont

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    27. Re: In other news... by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      As I've always said, if you can't argue the opposing view on any contentious topic, you don't understand the topic and shouldn't hold a strong view.

      There are plenty of issues on the right (most Obama conspiracies, 6000 year old earth, "creation science") that can't be logically argued. There are also loony left issues (anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO, almost anything they peddle at Whole Foods) that can't be logically argued.

      On the other hand, I might not agree with everything that the likes of George Will, Paul Ryan, the National Review, or the WSJ say, but at least their views can be respected.

    28. Re:In other news... by Linux+Torvalds · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If so-called "liberal" politicians would stop trying to pull flagrantly-unconstitutional stunts like tying Second Amendment rights to the goddamned TSA No Fly List, of all things, then the NRA could return to its roots as a promoter of firearms education and safety.

      But since the "liberals" evidently won't stop, the political activists on the other side can't stop either. You can't reasonably expect gun owners to stand by and allow ridiculous bullshit to occur like what we've just seen Congress attempt.

    29. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just killed Linux forever.

    30. Re:In other news... by AtariEric · · Score: 3, Informative

      The NRA will never "return to its roots as a promoter of firearms education and safety" - it is the purchase enforcement arm of the weapon manufacturer industry. What the "liberals" do has nothing to do with their behavior. They will stop at nothing to use guns to take money out of the hands of Americans - the only difference between the weapon industry and muggers is that the industry is willing to give you the whole gun in exchange instead of just the bullets.

      Mind you, this is coming from a gun *owner*, but let's call a flintlock a flintlock, okay?

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    31. Re:In other news... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Liberals have every right to attack your rights, and you have no rights to defend against them taking away your rights.

      This is, the essence of the 2nd Amendment, and why it is crucial to understand why it is there in the first place.

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    32. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first American Civil War was about the industrialists in the North getting upset because the Southern slave owning industrialists could under cut their manufacturing labor costs. The slavery issue was promoted because the rich industrialists couldn't come out and say the war was being waged because they were not making enough money. The people caused Lincoln all kinds of grief when the North started to question why the were fighting for slaves once the dead bodies count started rising. There were just as many racists in the North as there were in the South. Who would have signed up to fight that war? If the Union had not been able to recruit new troops off the immigrants that were flooding into the country at the time the Union would have most likely lost the war. The bat shit crazies on the far left and far right are just louder and more obnoxious than the majority who are more interested in living their own lives instead of telling others how they should live theirs. The Internet is also a force multiplier for those looking to spread their gospels to the masses. However, for the sake of argument, if there was a second American Civil war with the anti-gun liberals facing off with the pro-gun conservatives the war would be over in a few days

    33. Re: In other news... by alvinrod · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The second amendment doesn't say that the government has to give you a gun, merely that it cannot prevent you from owning one. You have to buy your own firearm or make it yourself. You wouldn't claim that the first amendment is invalid because presses are not naturally occurring in the universe either, would you?

      I'll hazard a guess that you're in favor of universal healthcare (there tends to be a correlation between a person's stance on that and gun rights) so how could you argue that people have a right to that since modern medicine and doctors are not naturally occurring either?

    34. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the tiny little problem of firearms not occuring naturally in this universe.

      No more or less than free speech, but here we are.

    35. Re: In other news... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      if you can't argue the opposing view on any contentious topic, you don't understand the topic

      This was the #1 thing stressed in my speech and debate class. My school was really big on the whole critical thinking thing which seems to be largely absent these days. I suppose it is the natural effect of romanticism beating out enlightenment.

      Now get off my lawn.

    36. Re: In other news... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, half the anti-gun people I know own guns.

    37. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late for that, SystemD was quicker.

    38. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read the fucking thread - the claim of "natural right" was made, then parodied.

    39. Re: In other news... by lgw · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of issues on the right (most Obama conspiracies, 6000 year old earth, "creation science") that can't be logically argued.

      They very much can be, if you bother to understand them. Take creationism. The wonderful talk.origins FAQ website (along with the many FAQs linked off of it) does just that. Turns out a lot of creationism is based on debunking "evolution as taught in high school", which is in fact often wrong, because the textbook was really bad, or oversimplified too far. Realizing that "oh, yeah, no scientist believes that either, it's just nonsense" can lead to actually resolving the disagreement based on proving new information.

      Logical arguments can be based on false premises, and still be logical. (A lot of other arguments makes sense if you know a little, but not if you know a lot, but that should never be assumed to be the case.)

      In fact, most topics on which intelligent people disagree (often strongly) are simply based on reasoning logically from different starting points, or having different goals in mind because you have different values, leading to people arguing past one another forever.

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    40. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the right to defend yourself and to have the means to do so is not a civil right.

      You realize that it is possible to defend yourself without a gun?

    41. Re:In other news... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      No, it isn't.

    42. Re:In other news... by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      God Made Men

      Sam Colt Made Them Equal.

    43. Re: In other news... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Hmm, is that username taken?

    44. Re:In other news... by sycodon · · Score: 3, Informative

      He's right. It's not a "civil right" according to the definition in the link provided, as pedantic as that is.

      What it is is more important... it is a Fundamental Right, or a Civil Liberty. It is a Right that predates Governments and is not subject to Government infringement.

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    45. Re: In other news... by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Newspapers, ink, pens, don't occur naturally either. Someone I don't think you believe the right to Free Speech and of the Press is not a natural right.

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    46. Re:In other news... by sycodon · · Score: 1

      All these words wasted on a pedantic argument.

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    47. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They very much can be, if you bother to understand them. Take creationism. The wonderful talk.origins FAQ website (along with the many FAQs linked off of it) does just that. Turns out a lot of creationism is based on debunking "evolution as taught in high school", which is in fact often wrong, because the textbook was really bad, or oversimplified too far.

      No, you're confusing arguing errors in textbooks with arguing for creationism. They're two separate things.

      Realizing that "oh, yeah, no scientist believes that either, it's just nonsense" can lead to actually resolving the disagreement based on proving new information.

      Nope, that's not their intent, not at all.

      In fact, most topics on which intelligent people disagree (often strongly) are simply based on reasoning logically from different starting points, or having different goals in mind because you have different values, leading to people arguing past one another forever.

      Contention not proven, but not responsive to the already posted contention was that "There are plenty of issues on the right (most Obama conspiracies, 6000 year old earth, "creation science") that can't be logically argued." which is separate from whatever disagreements people have.

      Of course, you didn't quote the whole paragraph for some reason, so let's try that:

      There are plenty of issues on the right (most Obama conspiracies, 6000 year old earth, "creation science") that can't be logically argued. There are also loony left issues (anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO, almost anything they peddle at Whole Foods) that can't be logically argued.

      On the other hand, I might not agree with everything that the likes of George Will, Paul Ryan, the National Review, or the WSJ say, but at least their views can be respected.

      Goodness me, if you'd finished the post, you might have realized that you were repeating an already agreed premise.

      Maybe you should stop arguing past someone.

    48. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are no rights.

      Rights are a legal concept that we humans simply made the fuck up. They have no existence in the actual world. Human beings are not born with rights -- where are they, in the liver? in the spleen? You can say that rights are in the soul (another concept humans made the fuck up), or granted by God (yet another concept humans made the fuck up... see a pattern here?) but it still doesn't mean that rights actually exist anywhere. (You can say you spend your nights riding a pink and purple-poka-dotted unicorn, but it still isn't real.)

      Now, don't get me wrong -- pretending that rights DO exist is a pretty damn good way to run an actual human society. But forgetting that it's just a game we're all playing is when the world turns weird, because we start to all play by our own sets of made-up rules and keep pretending our rules are real but their rules are just proof that they're evil or stupid.

      The guys who wrote the Constitution knew this. That's why the "keep your fucking guns" bit is in there as a right, because guns fucking well do exist in the real world, and they're power. Power to oppress, power to protect, power to defend, power to kill. If you don't have actual power in the world, you will dance to the made-up rules of whoever the fuck does have power. (gun power, political power, money power, whatever works)

      But when we forget that we (or people before us) simply made these rules up, then we spend our time screaming at each other over symbols, instead of dealing with reality. If you look back through history, that's usually when reality politely taps humans on the shoulder and presents the butcher's bill. (That was a metaphor. Metaphors usually also don't actually exist, but then I knew that, so I'm not metaphor's bitch.)

    49. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way they are going to take my gun from me is with a gun. Of course there's malice and aggression. There will be blood.

    50. Re:In other news... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      ...the NRA did a thorough investigation, and didn't find a conservative bias.

      National Rifle Association founded in 1871. Are you referring to the the oldest civil rights group in america?

      You mean the one that supports selling weapons people on the no fly list as likely trsts?

      Quickly, explain why you support selling weapons s to them.

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    51. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not! Just ask any liberal New Yorker. They will set you straight. Liberals love tolerance and diversity, and are completely open to new points of view. It is the rich right wing religious net cases who always hate anyone of differing views. They do this because they are all evil polar bear rapists who beat up old ladies when they are not whipping black people. Everyone who does not live in New York city or California is in fact one of theses evil intolerant sub-humans. Anyone who disagrees is also a member.

    52. Re:In other news... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Uh, gun ownership and use is a right. It applies to civilians. It's a civil right.

      Well, to be specific, the rtified second amendments states:

      A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      Seing as how that is one sentence, it probably refers as much to the militia as to individual people.

      But here is the tough part - "A well Regulated militia". Does this mean that anything but the militias are to be completely unregulated". This is where I think some organizations go wrong.

      As a firearm owner and user, I do not see any issues with suspected terrorists not being permitted to own firearms. Why? Because I believe that the "well regulated militia" portion of the second amendment is rather important as it sets the framework for what comes afterwards.

      I suspect that if they wanted no restraints they would have made the second amendment as follows:

      "Congress shall enact no regulations denying fully free and unfetterd access to the public defense, and the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed upon."

      And this is why it is becoming increasingly difficult to support the NRA, and the Congresscritters that they own.

      And of course, knowing the rather over the top reactions in here that happen after anyone dares to suggest anything other than allowing anyone no matter their inclination, with free and full access to firearms, This might be the first time in Sashdot history that a person who is a gun owner and user quotes the Second amendment and then gets modded as a troll.

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    53. Re:In other news... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There's no such thing as a natural right. All rights are invented.

    54. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For shame, to have borrowed such a fool's belief.

    55. Re:In other news... by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      . . . and J. J. Thompson made some men More Equal than others (grin)

    56. Re: In other news... by xtsigs · · Score: 1

      Teaching the mechanics of reading, writing, and arithmetic is not an end in and of itself. These are foundational skills required in order to learn and explore our world. Along with these skills should by taught logic, critical thinking, and how to evaluate, compare, contrast, and debate. It seems as if society focuses on the mechanical skills of academics without the intellectual skills that give those mechanics context and meaning. It is no wonder that people have trouble with climate science, follow all sorts of unproved nutritional fads, and don't even understand the nature of bias when it slaps them in the behind.

    57. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One needs to understand the word 'regulated' as it applies to the amendment, when it was written. Some people mistakenly think it refers only to gov't organized military.

    58. Re:In other news... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      You have a female COO- proof of liberal bias.

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    59. Re:In other news... by martas · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I left my telekinesis in my other pants.

    60. Re:In other news... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      One needs to understand the word 'regulated' as it applies to the amendment, when it was written. Some people mistakenly think it refers only to gov't organized military.

      Right, everything needs interpreted. But I look at militia as a militia, consisting of citizens, not necessarily the official military. But that regulated part probably means that they did expect some regulation, not the concept of selling arms to people hwo are expected to use those arms against the rest of the citizenry.

      If you deserve to use firearms, then by all means. If you don't, you shouldn't. I don't think that people that have a credible possibility of carrying out terrorist acts should be allowed access to firearms. Others believe that they do.

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    61. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The oldest? What about the NAQA, defending the 3rd Amendment?

    62. Re: In other news... by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      More importantly, definitions' sources should be carefully evaluated when it comes to claiming what is and is not a civil right. I've seen some rather...creative claims that ultimately come down to 'I have the right to be given what I want with others footing the bill'--essentially, the right to be Peter Pan, with government as your (sugar) daddy.

    63. Re:In other news... by Danilushka · · Score: 0

      Wrong, Ever read Jefferson when he wrote about "natural inalienable rights". But that he meant, oh you of dull wit, they were, wait for it, NATURAL.

    64. Re:In other news... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Let's see how far you are willing to use that logic.

      I believe that you have a credible possibility of carrying out terrorist acts. You already have all the equipment to do so, so you certainly must be planning on murdering as many people as possible.

    65. Re:In other news... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      The NRA will never "return to its roots as a promoter of firearms education and safety" ... What the "liberals" do has nothing to do with their behavior.

      If the NRA returned to only promoting firearms education and safety, then in short order there would be no shooters to educate because there would be no firearms in civilian hands. Before the "liberals" (and "conservatives" as well) began passing significant anti-gun laws, the NRA supported gun control. That changed at the behest of the membership in the 70s and 80s in response to the CGA and FOPA.

    66. Re: In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quickly, explain how:

      a) one gets on the no fly list,
      b) can find out if they're on the no fly list
      c) can appeal being on the no fly list
      d) find out how they got on the no fly list

      Obviously you can't as the list is secret and thwre's no appeal process, so whomever it is that adds people to this mysterious list should, according to you, be able to take away your Natural Right to possess and defend yourself and others with a weapon.

      Quickly, you're genius!!!!

      I'd lol except it isn't at all funny that someone so ignorant and stupid and enslaved by the State is allowed to vote and otherwise express their uneducated spoon fed factless opinion.

      Thank you for playing.

    67. Re:In other news... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Let's see how far you are willing to use that logic. I believe that you have a credible possibility of carrying out terrorist acts. You already have all the equipment to do so, so you certainly must be planning on murdering as many people as possible.

      You might be basing your belief on non-credible information. I have no criminal record, and no signs of instability. On the other hand, Did you know the Orlando shooter tried to purchase 1000 rounds of ammo and high grade body armor a month before he went on the rampage?

      You might say hindsight is 20/20, but sorry. The gun shop owner was very suspicious of hime, and called the FBI after he left the shop. Considering the fellow was already under investigation, and now attempts a purchase that particular stuff has very little explanation other than he planned on getting shot at in the near future.

      That's exactly the type of person who sholdn't be allowed to have an AR-15.

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    68. Re: In other news... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'd lol except it isn't at all funny that someone so ignorant and stupid and enslaved by the State is allowed to vote and otherwise express their uneducated spoon fed factless opinion.

      Yeah, but they let you vote anyway.

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    69. Re:In other news... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Sure, but this time it isn't you deciding. This time it is me, and I say that you are a threat.

      Are you ready to give up your fundamental human rights because I think you are not deserving of them? Do you think the person creating the watch lists are going to be any more accurate and careful? I'll answer that one for you, they will not be. The watch lists will be used against political opponents and for personal vendettas, in fact they already are being used for such.

    70. Re:In other news... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Sure, but this time it isn't you deciding. This time it is me, and I say that you are a threat.

      No system is perfect, and sure as shootin' the No Fly list isn't. But your idea that people are going to accuse others of being terrorists - you have the cites of exactly how often that happens? We see all too many times people trying to make perfection the enemy of good.

      Indeed, even in this case, the FBI had two incidences of the Orlando gunman being reported to them, and didn't find anything actionable, even when he tried to purchase police grade body armor. Sounds like it takes a bit to actually get yourself dinged.

      And I have no doubt that there have been cases of people turning in others frivolously, and Law enforcement might look a little askance at that, so probably not a real good idea to put your threat to the test.

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    71. Re:In other news... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I am not making a threat you fucking dumbass. I am attempting to illustrate to you that such systems are always abused. By that I don't mean occasionally abused, they are constantly abused. Apparently though your skull is just far too thick to comprehend that fact, or maybe you just trust government to take away people's rights in complete secrecy up until the point in which they attempt to exercise those rights and get thrown in jail for it.

      You may be okay with living under tyranny, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is okay with it.

    72. Re:In other news... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I am not making a threat you fucking dumbass.

      As you wrote:

      Sure, but this time it isn't you deciding. This time it is me, and I say that you are a threat.

      So tell me - were you lying? I try to take people at their face value, and you can rest assured thart if I told somone they were a threat, I would mean it, and take all legal actions of reporting them to law enforcement.

      Such are dumbasses, eh?

      Your rhetoric is an example of exactly how people get themselves into trouble on the internetz. A minor example, and no doubt - considering that I don't suspect you plan to turn me in on a whim, and I have no reason at all to suspect you are any sort of threat. But people do crazy shit like post how they will kill someone, or swear allegience to trrst groups, or how they want to find someone willing to kill their spouse.

      But seriously dude, you wrote what you wrote, and texts to not convey sarcasm. I might be a dumbass, but not in that manner.

      So stay calm, don't do dumb shit, and keep the tone civil, or at least smart.

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    73. Re:In other news... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      >implying either of those parties are "civil rights groups"

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    74. Re:In other news... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Because there's no appeal process for the "No Fly" list, primarily. It would need to be reformed such that due process is actually a possibility before I'd support it at all, let alone expanding it to deprive people of anything else.

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  2. Thorough Investigation by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We did a thorough investigation, and we didn't find a liberal bias.

    Biased group looks at self, finds no bias.

    1. Re:Thorough Investigation by Hylandr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      +1

      If anything I have found most tech centers to be thoroughly disgustingly overwhelmingly liberal to the point where you question whether or not these people actually have brains. Don't you dare ask some of these nuts to fact check and follow the money train or they start the ad-hominem attacks and petition to have you fired from your job.

      I am 40+ to there's likely a LOT of 'Get off my Lawn' in there but please, lets get some balance going at least in the political / activist spectrum.

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    2. Re:Thorough Investigation by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Zuckerberg is prep-schooled, Harvard educated, Westchester County old money. He's known to associate himself with the likes of Chris Christie and Peter Thiel (Including fundraising for the former.). And now he's prostrating himself to the American Enterprise Institute and ordering his employees trained to their standards. And this is the guy you think designed and built Facebook to be a bastion of liberalism?

      Look at the list of prominent American Enterprise Institute members and associates. It's practically a rogues' gallery of the extreme right wing; including the likes of Robert Bork, Newt Gingrich, Antonin Scalia, John Yoo, and even Darth Cheney himself. If Zuckerberg had a "liberal bias", he wouldn't give that lot the time of day, much less interviews, assurances, and concessions.

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    3. Re:Thorough Investigation by blackomegax · · Score: 0

      I question people who aren't on the communist side of liberal having any brains at all beyond the lizard brain of selfishness and greed and ego.

    4. Re:Thorough Investigation by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      +1

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    5. Re:Thorough Investigation by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 0

      Dude, the US right has shifted the Overton Window so hard in the last few decades that Saint Ronnie himself couldn't get elected dogcatcher in this environment. By contrast, Zuckerberg might as well be Karl Marx.

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    6. Re:Thorough Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark Zuckerberg is a tool. But you're picturing Westchester wrong. Not everyone up there are old money types chillin at the Xavier Mansion and School for Gifted Youngsters. It takes a whole range of professions and incomes to make a community work. According to his wikipedia wage, Zuck's parents are a dentist and psychiatrist. So he was definitely well-off and had lots of advantage out of the gate. But that's not summering-in-the-Hamptons old-money money.

      Besides, theyre jewish. And Jews can't be old money. They can be rich. But old money have to be WASPs. That's just how it works here. And don't jump my shit on that. I don't make New York's social rules. And I certainly don't live by them. I just know them.

    7. Re:Thorough Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it reactionary to the conservative right.

      I have a lot of posts that are just straight up untrue (see: trump's 99% of crimes were from black people meme post which sadly isn't true; just recently, I saw a post about a school's officer stopping a shooter and media covering it up when the event was publicized and a murder-suicide, etc.) For some reason, I don't have any verifyably false posts being made by conservatives on my FB.

      These people feel that they have to defend against these crazies.

    8. Re:Thorough Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and see what's trending RIGHT NOW! Throw up a new incognito window, and ... you can't view trending without a Facebook account.

      Well, bah.

      Which means that it's impossible to prove bias as an external party because you can't see a list of what's trending where Facebook can't claim the bias is really in what you read based on their constant spying of web traffic. (Ever seen those "share on Facebook" buttons? If you have, Facebook has seen YOU seeing them too!)

      But based on what I've seen of "Facebook trending" and how it seems to always paint Crooked Hillary in a favorable light and Trump in a negative one...

    9. Re:Thorough Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if this is a whoosh, or you're serious. If you're serious, you just made his point.

    10. Re:Thorough Investigation by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      See, for me, Facebook seems bound and determined to keep shoving "Hillary is Satan/Hitler/Davros/etc." crap in my face. I've no doubt it's because I have a few Bernie Sanders supporters amongst my friends. But it does suggest to me that the algorithm has at least as much, if not more, influence than the curators.

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    11. Re:Thorough Investigation by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Psychiatrists earn a lot, but I made more money as an engineer than the dentists I knew.

    12. Re:Thorough Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if the AEI looked at itself and didn't find any bias either? And where is the equivalent Progressive think tank group, and why isn't Facebook meeting with them?

      Facebook is a public company, but are just like Wal-Mart and they can limit what happens on their property/on-line space. They aren't a government agency.

    13. Re:Thorough Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Follow the money train" begs the question by implicitly associating the transfer of currency with the assumption of illicit behavior. Yes, these things are often found together, but it is in no way a reliable means of determining the legitimacy or illegitimacy of... anything.

    14. Re:Thorough Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... thoroughly disgustingly overwhelmingly liberal ... they start the ad-hominem attacks and petition to have you fired from your job.

      I, er, fail to see the connection between being liberal and attacking others. Is this an American thing?

    15. Re:Thorough Investigation by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      You would have to witness or experience it to really understand but an oversimplification goes like this:

      I say:
      1+1=2, The Sky is Blue, would you like to take a walk on this wonderful day?

      The Liberal says:
      You're an insensitive color-abled piece of shit micro-aggressiving both color blind and wheel chair bound people by talking about color and taking walks. These people have absolutely no ability to do those things and here you are rubbing it in their faces. I am going get my buddies and I to call and harass your employer and go to the media until they fire you. ( And this happens whether the person committed any ill or not.

      Or:
      I Say:
      It takes a good person with a gun to stop a bad person with a gun, Making guns illegal will only reduce the amount of guns owned by Good people.

      The Liberal says:
      ( As an oversimplification)
      Points and Screeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeee
      Begins personal attacks at an amplified level. They just can't stand logic destroying their position. You would have to witness it.

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  3. No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe because what is left and what is liberal is rapidly diverging this election season. Hard to tell a liberal apart from a conservative these days.

    1. Re:No liberal bias? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

      If you mean that both liberals and conservatives are hypocrites and self-contradictory when it comes to individual rights - you're correct (look at liberals who think they have a right to an abortion (based on the fact that you own your own body) but then pass laws requiring that people wear seat belts. (Hey I thought you owned your own body. You can have an abortion but can't decide whether or not to wear a seat belt while on the way to aborting a fetus? Yeah. Good logic there).

      But if you're noticing that Trump and Bernie have a lot of overlap in their supporters you're correct.

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    2. Re:No liberal bias? by Sneftel · · Score: 1

      This season, we're seeing more of an intellectual/anti-intellectual split... or perhaps a technocrat/populist split. The idea that any group of people in Silicon Valley wouldn't fall pretty squarely on the former categories, compared to the population of the country as a whole, is laughable; but if Facebook was looking for a paleoconventional liberal bias, I can see why they wouldn't necessarily find one. The prevailing economic libertarianism in geek circles covers up a lot of social progressivism if you're looking for a traditional red/blue categorization.

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    3. Re:No liberal bias? by topologist · · Score: 1

      Not wearing a seat belt potentially endangers others (passengers, other drivers who may be struck as a result of avoidable loss of control were the driver to wear a seatbelt). Your freedom to make stupid choices ends when it infringes upon my freedoms.

    4. Re: No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is consensus on Hillary being the worst choice ever.

    5. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, medical bills. What if you're broke and hurt yourself badly? It falls to the hospitals to foot the bill, leading to increased insurance costs and taxes for everyone else. This is the same argument against smoking.

      Abortions, on the other hand, deprive humanity of another life, thus saving us a huge expense.

    6. Re:No liberal bias? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      where did you learn to drive???? because i cant see how not wearing a seatbelt can result in loss of control, unless someone has some sort of mental disorder which causes them to have a seisure specifically when not wearing a seatbelt that is

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    7. Re:No liberal bias? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      No. Not at all. Doesn't go to the hospitals. You don't get the same medical care - if any.

      Health care is not a right (as shown by your statement).

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    8. Re:No liberal bias? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the War on Drugs would be a much better example of the "you're not allowed to do these things with your body" sentiment of some people, consequences included.

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    9. Re:No liberal bias? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Hard to tell a liberal apart from a conservative these days.

      Simple:

      The conservative politician takes bribes from plutocrats and polluters to claim global warming is fake and that tax-cuts for the rich creates more jobs.

      The liberal politician takes bribes from plutocrats and polluters, claims global warming is real and that tax-cuts for the the rich will not create more jobs, YET lets polluters pollute and gives tax-cuts to the rich anyhow.

    10. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's talking about your body flying around the cars compartment in an accident, not you just driving along.

    11. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, medical bills. What if you're broke and hurt yourself badly? It falls to the hospitals to foot the bill, leading to increased insurance costs and taxes for everyone else.

      Ah, typical socialism, bravely and valiantly fighting problems unknown in normal systems. In normal systems, the issue of medical bills for injuries caused by not wearing seatbelts is either your problem, or regulated by the deal between you and your health insurance company, and is of no concern to the government.

      The only good argument is that by not wearing seatbelts you *are* endangering others, that's why seatbelts are a bad example. Replace that with choosing not to wear helmet while driving a motorbike, however, and you'll see how ridiculous it is.

      Oh, and if you think that "depriving humanity of another life" is "saving a huge expense" then you obviously have no idea how retirement funds work in socialist countries. Hint: look up "Ponzi scheme" on Wikipedia.

    12. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, having an abortion terminally endangers others vs. hypothetically endangering others -- so yeah, about the same. Your freedom to make stupid choices should end when it infringes on your child's freedom to survive.

    13. Re:No liberal bias? by William+Baric · · Score: 2

      Do you have any statistics on the number of people who were hurt or killed because of someone else not wearing his or her seatbelt? I think I remember one case in the city where I live in the 70s when a mother was killed by one of her children in the backseat who was not wearing his seatbelt (in the 70s, no one in the backseat were wearing their seatbelt), but other than that, I must admit my ignorance.

      Since you raised the argument, I'm sure you have valid data to support your argument, right?

    14. Re:No liberal bias? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      Not wearing a seat belt potentially endangers others (passengers, other drivers who may be struck as a result of avoidable loss of control were the driver to wear a seatbelt). Your freedom to make stupid choices ends when it infringes upon my freedoms.

      An abortion endangers others (most notably the embryo / fetus). If you make a stupid choice (such as having unprotected sex when you don't want to get pregnant), you deserve it. As always, allowances should be made when the pregnancy didn't result from a choice (eg. rape). If killing a pregnant woman counts as a double homicide, then killing the embryo / fetus should count as a homicide, right?

    15. Re:No liberal bias? by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      The use of a motor-vehicles on public roads is NOT a right. The government can impose whatever rules it wishes for allowing you the privilege of doing so. On private roads you are free to not use seat belts or even make a rule requiring anyone that wishes to use your private road have a blood alcohol content of > 0.8

    16. Re:No liberal bias? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      Both the left and the right are now anti-intellectual (both have ideologies based on emotions). Both the left and the right are now populist (they just cater to different populations). I'm someone who was to the left, but now I'm forced to distance myself from this left because it is now even more anti-intellectual than the right. It's to a point that although I'm an atheist I now view ultra conservative Christians as more reasonable than the average "progressive".

    17. Re:No liberal bias? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Oh, and if you think that "depriving humanity of another life" is "saving a huge expense"

      It rather depends on the life, doesn't it? A repeat offender spending most of his life in the slammer is likely an economic dead loss. A humble - but steady and honest - worker? Probably not.

      you obviously have no idea how retirement funds work in socialist countries.

      I totally do. What I don't understand is how it's any different in non-socialist countries.

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    18. Re: No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look, the Democrats picked the chick with decades of sketchy bullshit behind her.

      Play Clinton games, win Clinton prizes.

    19. Re:No liberal bias? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Really? So the moment you're not on your property you have no rights? The government can impose whatever rules? How about the rule that one can't speak ill of the government? Do you really want that?

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    20. Re:No liberal bias? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I'm going to watch the debates and then ask, "which is Dumb and which is Dumber?", I can't tell them apart.

    21. Re:No liberal bias? by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      NO, the minute you take a motor-vehicle on a public road you must follow whatever rules the government has imposed for granting you the privilege of using the motor-vehicle on public roads or the government can suspend or revoke your license to operate a motor vehicle on public roads

    22. Re:No liberal bias? by topologist · · Score: 1

      What you're talking about is a matter of interpretation that has been argued ad infinitum (the definition of when life begins) and has been ruled upon by the courts several times. The "fetal homicide" law is also not applicable in 12 states, and does not cover a decision by the mother, who after all, is the person who likely suffers the greatest consequences of the no doubt difficult decision to abort. It really has very little in common with the clearcut seatbelt case, and attempts to conflate the two are muddled thinking.

    23. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My working theory is that as the norm has shifted away from traditional conservative platforms, the more "intellectual" qualifiers have converted more support across intellectual levels. Rather than being positions that foster intellectualism, they are actually positions that initially attracted people who were intellectual. With the influx of idiots, we have a number of liberals who approach policy discussion with dogma and personal attacks. Why? Because they don't know anything beyond what they can parrot. They just know if you can make your opponent look like a bad person then they win, that's how it worked for themselves.

    24. Re:No liberal bias? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      No. Not at all. Doesn't go to the hospitals. You don't get the same medical care - if any.

      If you're in an accident, you're going to the hospital, regardless of any stated belief or political persuasion.

    25. Re:No liberal bias? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Oh, and if you think that "depriving humanity of another life" is "saving a huge expense" then you obviously have no idea how retirement funds work in socialist countries. Hint: look up "Ponzi scheme" on Wikipedia.

      Oh God, you're not one of those guys who thinks Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, do you?

    26. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you obviously have no idea how retirement funds work in socialist countries.

      I totally do. What I don't understand is how it's any different in non-socialist countries.

      In a socialist country, there is no actual retirement fund. All the money you are currently paying into your "fund" is immediately spent, to pay retirement money to the current elder generation. And it's *gone*. The government is banking on a future generation of children to pay their money into their system, and if there are no children then the entire system collapses, and it can't fulfill its obligation to pay a rent to you.
      .
      In a free (that is, non-socialist) country the retirement fund works for you, as almost everything in a free country, however you choose. You can make your own savings, you can invest in your children's colleges and whatnot, and expect them in return to sustain you when you are no longer able to work, heck, you can even join a socialist-style Ponzi scheme if you really want. Or, most commonly, you can get insured with a private insurance company, the difference being that the money you accumulate *stays* there (either physically or in form of more or less risky investments, depending on the deal you made), waiting for you to get old, instead of being immediately spent to pay the current generation. And, quite often, your children get to inherit the reminder if you kick it before time.

    27. Re:No liberal bias? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Socialism works until it fails. Then it fails for just about everyone, since everyone becomes economically equal just before failure. See Greece, Venezuela for fine relatively recent editions of socialism's failure. I'd point to Denmark too, but it hasn't failed completely yet.

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    28. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and if you think that "depriving humanity of another life" is "saving a huge expense" then you obviously have no idea how retirement funds work in socialist countries. Hint: look up "Ponzi scheme" on Wikipedia.

      Oh God, you're not one of those guys who thinks Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, do you?

      Care to explain how it's not, then?

    29. Re:No liberal bias? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Bernie Madoff did what social security does, and he went to jail for it. IT is a ponzi scheme, and just because the government is involved, doesn't change a thing.

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    30. Re:No liberal bias? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Thats because most Christians on the right, even if they have wacky views, will give consideration to your viewpoint, before calling you names (if they go down that road). Whereas if a liberal disagrees with you, you're a RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, MISOGYNIST, THEOCRATIC TERRORIST!

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    31. Re:No liberal bias? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      What you're talking about is a matter of interpretation that has been argued ad infinitum (the definition of when life begins) and has been ruled upon by the courts several times. The "fetal homicide" law is also not applicable in 12 states, and does not cover a decision by the mother, who after all, is the person who likely suffers the greatest consequences of the no doubt difficult decision to abort.

      It really has very little in common with the clearcut seatbelt case, and attempts to conflate the two are muddled thinking.

      Um, it has everything to do with people should be able to do stupid things unless it (potentially) hurts another - YOUR argument against seatbelt laws.

    32. Re:No liberal bias? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      If you're in an accident, you're going to the hospital, regardless of any stated belief or political persuasion.

      Not correct. Individuals can refuse medical treatment from emergency service providers, which includes telling them you do not want to be transported to a hospital or other care facility.

      The question comes up almost every time I am in a first responder care class. You are required to ask the potential patient if they accept your services before you do anything. So, for example, you happen across a choking victim who is still conscious and you ask if you can help. If they shake their head "no", you cannot touch them. This sometimes surprises the newer students, who then ask "what do you do"? The answer is that you stand there until the patient passes out and then you provide assistance. Passing out is a change in status, and he's no longer refusing care, so you are ok to act.

      In other words, if you are a paramedic at an accident scene and a conscious and alert victim tells you "I am a Jehovah's Witness and I decline medical care", you move on to the next victim and come back to the JW after he passes out. If he doesn't pass out, even if he's bleeding and has broken stuff, his stated belief means he isn't going to the hospital.

    33. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Not the GP). And there we have it, the rethuglican argument against abortion is not "compassion" but vengeance--how dare women who have unsafe sex suffer no consequences beyond a horribly invasive and risky procedure and a lot of emotional trauma? Let's rather coerce them to bring an unwanted child into this world with no financial support (again a rethuglican/libertardian argument, can't have these social safety nets) and let them suffer.

      You're "generous" with a rape exception (doesn't the female body have ways to shut that down??), but I notice you don't mention the health of the mother, so likely you'll want this horrible female to give birth even if means a risk of death or serious injury, like many rethuglican "lawmakers". Disgusting.

    34. Re:No liberal bias? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I'd point to Denmark too, but it hasn't failed completely yet.

      Denmark is not socialist. In many ways they are more capitalist than America. They rank higher on the Ease of Doing Business index. There are few barriers to starting a business, and less bureaucracy when running one. Even their Postal Service is privatized.

      You are confusing Social Democracy with Socialism. They are two entirely different things.

    35. Re:No liberal bias? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      IT is a ponzi scheme, and just because the government is involved, doesn't change a thing.

      Ponzi schemes collapse when no new investors can be found to pay off the old investors. But if the government is doing it, then participation is compelled and there is no danger of collapse. Young people today are almost certainly going to get screwed by SS, and would be much better off investing elsewhere, but they don't have that option.

    36. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to think that the government has the right to establish whatever rules it wants for the "privilege" of driving on public roads exactly the same as a private person would on his own privately owned road. Yes, it absolutely does - but only on the very moment it finds a tooth fairy or something willing to finance the construction of said roads, and starts negotiating for the necessary land on the same footing as any private enterpreneur would, instead of just expropriating anyone who stands in the way. But as long as the roads are built using money forcibly taken away from citizens in taxes, and on land forcibly expropriated from them, the citizens DAMN WELL DO HAVE A F-ING RIGHT to drive on government-owned roads.

    37. Re:No liberal bias? by BoogieChile · · Score: 1

      You hit a pothole. Your car seat and steering wheel drop six inches and veer to the left. You don't, because you aren't wearing a seatbelt. You are now in oncoming traffic with no control of the car because you are still 5 inches above your seat and if you yank the steering wheel back to the right, you will rotate and not the wheel.

    38. Re:No liberal bias? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The government is banking on a future generation of children to pay their money into their system, and if there are no children then the entire system collapses, and it can't fulfill its obligation to pay a rent to you.

      And what value will investments have if there are no children?

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    39. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being born potentially endangers others (people could die from diseases you carry). Your freedom to procreate and create stupid arguments ends when it infringes upon my right to be free of mental stress.. The fact that you exist limits my freedom to occupy the space you are occupying. I demand you lock yourself away in another non populated dimension where there is no possibility that you ever may interfere with anyone else's Freedom.

    40. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WoW. With an imagination like that it is hard to imagine you ever manage to get anything productive done. Think of all the myriad ways you could end up dying or killing someone else. Just the act of walking to take a shit could I imagine in some conceivable way cause a disturbance in ethereal ether that causes the flushing currents in Brazil to act in a retrograde fashion such that a 5 year old Latino kid gets eaten by an monkey?

      That statement made as much if not more sense than your above statement. I win.

      The fact that you are even buckling yourself and strapping yourself into a seat signifies that you are not totally confident in your ability to control that car in all situations. By your logic, should you not then just refuse to drive. I mean after all by driving you are putting your life and the lives of everyone else on the planet in danger.

    41. Re:No liberal bias? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I wish I lived in your world...

    42. Re:No liberal bias? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      If you're in an accident, you're going to the hospital, regardless of any stated belief or political persuasion.

      Not correct. Individuals can refuse medical treatment from emergency service providers, which includes telling them you do not want to be transported to a hospital or other care facility.

      But you have to be capable of making that preference known, and I'm not 100% sure that someone in a horrific accident is going to be A) conscious enough to give that consent and B) coherent enough to think things through, or at least to make the same decision they made when they were healthy. The default action is to provide medical care and save the life in absence of an objection.

      touch them. This sometimes surprises the newer students, who then ask "what do you do"? The answer is that you stand there until the patient passes out and then you provide assistance. Passing out is a change in status, and he's no longer refusing care, so you are ok to act. In other words, if you are a paramedic at an accident scene and a conscious and alert victim tells you "I am a Jehovah's Witness and I decline medical care", you move on to the next victim and come back to the JW after he passes out.

      In which case, aren't you explicitly going against his stated wishes?

      And bringing this thread back to the original context, the original point was that someone should be able to not wear a seat belt and medical bills won't be a problem because he can decline the medical care. He made that choice. But if someone suffers a brain injury due to their decision not to wear a seat belt, I think it's pretty unlikely that he'll be ABLE to tell the medical personnel that they should let him die in the car because he assumed the risk and the consequences. I also think it's unlikely that even if he could, he actually WOULD choose to do that. "I know I said most of my life that I accepted the risks of driving without a seat belt and that I'd die if I got into a huge accident, but now I'm actually dying, so I'm changing my mind." I think most of the folks who say they'd stick to their guns would really do the latter.

    43. Re:No liberal bias? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Oh, and if you think that "depriving humanity of another life" is "saving a huge expense" then you obviously have no idea how retirement funds work in socialist countries. Hint: look up "Ponzi scheme" on Wikipedia.

      Oh God, you're not one of those guys who thinks Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, do you?

      Care to explain how it's not, then?

      Sure, it's very easy -- in a Ponzi scheme, the people at the top do not get rotated out. In real life, retirees do not live forever -- no matter how long they live, they will eventually leave the system, and every working man and woman pays into the system without exception. So participation is tied to the unemployment rate, not to an individual's decision of whether it's a good idea or not. If we discovered immortality, then yes, the Social Security system would collapse, but that would also be the least of our problems at that point. Now you might say that currently people are living a bit longer and the birth rate has dropped, so the system is paying out more than it takes in, but that's an easy problem to fix -- increase social security taxes a percent or two. It doesn't take an act of God, just Congress (the more cynical might say the former is more likely).

      Also, when a social program has been operating for 80 years, it's pretty safe to say that it's not a Ponzi scheme.

    44. Re:No liberal bias? by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      "The minute you take your feet on a public sidewalk you must follow whatever rules the government has imposed for granting you the privilege of using your feet on a public sidewalk or the government can suspend or revoke your license to use your feet on a public sidewalk".

      See how your argument fails there? The government cannot impose "whatever rules" it wishes; it can't prevent you from exercising your free speech while driving, they can't make you waive your Fifth Amendment rights while driving, etc.

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  4. trump bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    trump is adding political scenarios to its orientation training following concerns, first reported by trump, that trumps were suppressing trump topics in its Trending news section. trump, trump's chief operating officer, announced the change during an interview with conservative leader trump, president of the prominent trump think tank the trump Enterprise Institute. trump also attended a private meeting between trump executives and prominent conservative leaders following the controversy. "trump had an ex-trump on that team who accused us of trump bias," trump said during the interview. "Frankly, it rang true to some people because there is concern that trump companies have a trump bias. trump did a thorough investigation, and trump didn't find a trump bias."

    1. Re: trump bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was this written by some google groundwork AI?

    2. Re:trump bias by Tablizer · · Score: 0

      Trump is neither conservative nor liberal, so this whole Facebook bias brouhaha may not even apply him.

      He'd probably crash any AI bot designed to test for conservative/liberal bias, exposing all the edge cases where the rule coder thought, "Naw, no politician would ever say anything wacky enough to expose this little hole."

    3. Re: trump bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want anyone to click on anything, put the word Trump in the title. Everyone wants to read about the next dramatic thing the president did before he was president.

    4. Re: trump bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conservative or liberal, as long as he doesn't use insecure email for approving drone strikes, he'll be a fine president.

    5. Re: trump bias by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The regular State Dept. email server was ALSO "insecure". It got hacked.

      And I doubt Trump is the kind who is careful about IT policy. He's not careful about anything, except maybe his hair.

    6. Re:trump bias by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Bullshit- Trump is a fiscal liberal and Hillary is a sexual liberal. Both are liberals, just different stripes.

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  5. Why? by slapout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If they found no bias, why are they adding the training?

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    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they did find it, but their lawyers told them if the admit it, they could be personally and corporately liable for damages, so they lied. No surprise here.

    2. Re:Why? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Because they did find it, but their lawyers told them if the admit it, they could be personally and corporately liable for damages

      What damage would those be, you stupid fuck?

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    3. Re:Why? by bobthesungeek76036 · · Score: 1

      If they found no bias, why are they adding the training?

      Well since it was announced from the top I would suspect it's a total PR move for Facebook...

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    4. Re:Why? by Danilushka · · Score: 0

      Public relations and reputation you LIbtard Jackhole Moron!!!!

    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is an incredibly stupid (hostile) reply to an incredibly stupid comment. However, to be fair, there are certain "equal time" laws relating to campaigns and news coverage in the US.

    6. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they found no bias, why are they adding the training?

      Because they don't think they're good enough at promoting the politics they like?

      In other words, to be even more biased?

    7. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guys, the "post anonymously" checkbox is right there...nope, little higher...yeah that box thingy...put your mouse in the middle of it then click...perfect, nice job!

      Captcha: brighter

    8. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is old History. Your statement has been wrong since 1983. Even before then those laws only dealt with analog broadcasts on limited spectrum licensed for station usage.

    9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that includes favoring one political campaign over another that could violate campaign finance rules regarding in-kind contributions.

    10. Re:Why? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      If that includes favoring one political campaign over another that could violate campaign finance rules regarding in-kind contributions.

      Good luck with that.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    11. Re:Why? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Public relations and reputation you LIbtard Jackhole Moron!!!!

      How do you prove damage to public relations and reputation just because Facebook didn't put you on its front page?

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    12. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes one wonder what kind of Sexual Abuse Training they offer.

  6. Trump 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That'll show them.

  7. Everyone knows... by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone knows that the truth has a strong bias toward whichever political party we happen to support. Any investigation of bias can also take this into account and therefore show it does not exist. However, it also means we can perceive bias and there can be actual bias where others do not intend to be acting in a biased way.

    Real communication is about getting past talking points and ad hominem attacks, of course. About questioning our own beliefs and those of our fellow human beings, and building compromises that drive society forward. About questioning our own biases and being able to work with those whose biases are different. The best is almost always the enemy of the good, in large part because we will always find much more disagreement over what is best.

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    1. Re:Everyone knows... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Real communication is about getting past talking points and ad hominem attacks, of course. About questioning our own beliefs and those of our fellow human beings, and building compromises that drive society forward. About questioning our own biases and being able to work with those whose biases are different.

      Maybe you took a wrong turn on your way to utopianfantasy.com, but this is Slashdot. We don't question our bias in these parts, and we damn sure don't build compromise. What, are you some kinda liberal fruit?

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    2. Re:Everyone knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but in the USA truth is clearly tilted toward the left. Climate change deniers, evolutionists and religion-pushers, overt racism and homophobia, anti-education, and so on all make their home on the right.

      The only real untruth on the left is the anti-GMO crowd (which has at least a foot in reality, even if there's a lot of nonsense involved) and the anti-nuclear crowd (which also has a foot in reality, again with a lot of disinformation however).

    3. Re:Everyone knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot that anti-vaxer crowd. Oh, and you seem to forget that the minorities in Cali that the left so often likes to court tends to be deeply catholic, so your homophobia and religion pushers tend to fall off of the "right" and move more closely to the center. And the anti-vax does seem to indicate a bit of an anti-education tilt to the left as well. Really, your entire argument seems hinged on you don't like religion, and in your mind religion is right. It's not particularly accurate though.

      But hey, don't let your bias show too much.

    4. Re:Everyone knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone has a bias, and recognizes the facts that support their bias. I am not opposed to bias. We should grow up, and realize that Bias isn't necessarily bad, nor is it helpful at all.

      If we just admitted "Hey, I am a right wing guy ..." or "Hello, I am a left wing gal" or "Shalom, I am a Jew" or "Get off my lawn, I am a libertarian grey beard" we could figure out where the biases we're seeing actually come from.

      And bias isn't always obvious, suppressing stories is just as much "bias" as promoting others. Just be up front, and let the people decide. Unless you think you're better than everyone else, and should be deciding what bias is right, and all others are wrong.

    5. Re:Everyone knows... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      I suspect it's "realistic" for conservatives to accept that 90+% percent of climatologists lie for money because most conservatives themselves do and believe that's normal in the work-place: it's a "salesy" world, after all. That's the only coherent explanation I can find for believing such a huge portion of scientists would flat out lie. You are welcome to offer another explanation.

    6. Re:Everyone knows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real communication is about getting past talking points and ad hominem attacks, of course. About questioning our own beliefs and those of our fellow human beings, and building compromises that drive society forward. About questioning our own biases and being able to work with those whose biases are different. The best is almost always the enemy of the good, in large part because we will always find much more disagreement over what is best.

      Sadly, it's usually a lot easier to simply shoot someone who disagrees with you in the head.

      Or run them through with a sword. Chop with an axe. Slice with a knife. Decapitate with a guillotine. (it ain't about guns, fools)

  8. Facebook can stay liberal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone else can make a conservative social network then we can all go to our respective corners.

  9. defining terms like Conservative by izzo+nizzo · · Score: 1

    I suspect that the alleged bias was the result of the bifurcation of "conservative" policy rhetoric. There are some conservative topics that are sensible and traditional, while others are so reactionary as to be utterly baseless. It's ok to be reactionary when you feel that your culture is being dismantled, but don't expect Facebook to promote your shrieks.

    1. Re: defining terms like Conservative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the deal with that thought: it ascribes a value judgement to the views, and then filters it.

      That is how you get bias into media. The door has historically swung both ways. Take for instance the old popular views on the roles of women in western culture-- they were litterally considered mentally inferior due to gender, and "radical" ideas like letting them vote was considered absurd ranting. Journalists felt it was simply commom sense to just not print such tripe. The passionate and sometimes irrational belif in the contrary opinion of female equality held by persons writing to the editor were frequently seen as rambling screeds unfit for publication.

      What happened, is that despite the brick wall obstinacy of most of the press at the time, enough wanted the sensational to boost readership that the message still got out, and popular culture shifted direction.

      The same thing could well be happening now, just in what most libreaks would consider a "regressive" (as opposed to "regressive") direction. If there are enough people that feel disenfranchised by the way society has moved, that popular culture makes a backswing, the suppression of coverage by the media us biased.

      The acid test for bias is a bit like this:

      If you are sure suppressing a story that is naturally popular (eg, trending on its own outside your newsroom), and are doing do because you dislike the subject matter, you are injecting a bias.

      If you sideline a group's message because you think they are batshit, regressive, horrible, or other personal opinion, you are injecting a bias.

      The objective person reports on what IS, not what they preceive or believe. "Many Americans feel disenfranchised about..." is an objective statement. "Many Americans still hold backward beliefs about..." is biased. Refusing to cover the story because "That's about those idiots that are stuck in the dark ages." Is biased. Is it happening? Is it news? Report what is currently known about it, and what people are doing. Don't simply decide something is dumb, and refuse to print. That is bias.

    2. Re:defining terms like Conservative by tomhath · · Score: 3

      Nah.

      Facebook didn't have a policy of ignoring certain news sources or stories.

      But it did hire people to do the filtering, and most of those people were recent journalism graduates from liberal universities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the end result was biased reporting, whether that was the stated intent or not.

    3. Re:defining terms like Conservative by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      "reactionary" hmmm???

      kinda like the reactionary attempted assault on the 2nd 4th and 5th amendments by democrats in congress because of a shooting that not a single proposal they want to push would have prevented it from happening???

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  10. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before the inevitable "liberal media" or "corrupt repubs" debate starts, let me point out that it's not illegal for a company to have a "liberal bias" or "conservative bias". But having that perception out there could affect the bottom line.

    So Facebook doesn't want to lose any of their revenue (advertisers) or their product (users) over this issue. That's all they care about, and in fairness they're a public company so that's all they should care about. No social issues or any other touchy-feely crap. Revenue, period.

    So they're walking the tightwire to get through until this blows over. All of what is coming out of Ms. Sandberg's mouth is geared toward that one goal, in the same vein as how they handled privacy violations they committed since the company was founded (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook).

  11. Bias of the Bias by scorp1us · · Score: 0

    I know there are some polls out there saying this man has a 32% approval rating. But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in "reality." And reality has a well-known liberal bias. -Stephen Colbert

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    1. Re:Bias of the Bias by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I went to school for a long time to learn how to remove bias from measurements. YMMV

  12. bias - self - or what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, no surprise.
    It take a very trained and objective mind to detect self-bias - and most people cannot do it.
    Self-bias takes the form of 'TRUTH', and assumes the legitimacy of fact, to the person with it.
    This is a common factor in fanatic religious belief, fanatic political belief, fanatic -anything- belief,
    and will not be simply pointed at and disappear.

    So looking for it requires a healthy dose of skepticism, and a real drive for the truth, using logic...
    not psychology or sociology or middle-management guidelines...

    Fixing it is often a lost cause, because of the 'self-' part....

  13. Theory. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Maybe there is a bias - and it exists because the two political factions are not mirror images of each other. Perhaps one of them actually does buy into more conspiracy theories, or their publications do peddle more lies? It could be that even if you run a perfectly objective fact-checking filter it'll appear to favor one side over the other, because that side is, in general, more honest?

    1. Re: Theory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If what you say was true in FB's case then there should be almost no stories published from the left and a great many published from the right.

      Did you see what I did there?

      I hope you learned something.

  14. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Facebook Offers Political Bias Training

    Why do they need Political Bias Training? They're already quite good at it!

  15. Bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Logic, fact and intellectual discourse all have a well known liberal bias. To counter those I am offering several new training courses including:
    Go with the Conservative Gut
    How to Make Conservative Facts Up That Can Be Believed by Your Constituents
    If You Say It Enough Times You Make It True
    Guns Solve Everything
    A Conservative UnEducation
    The Crossroads of Voter Integrity Laws and Private Prisons

  16. extremist by Martin+S. · · Score: 0

    In my extremists often accuse their opponents of the very same underhand tactics they themselves use.

    One example, in the UK, UKIP an extreme ne-nazi group campaigning for the UK to leave the European Union accuse opponents of 'fear mongering' when they themselves have spent years stoking up fear and hate against foreigners using posters such as the following.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-p...

    1. Re:extremist by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not going to defend UKIP, but do you see the irony in labeling them "an extreme neo-Nazi group" in the comment section of an article about political bias?

      I'll grant you they are a far right group with a lot of strong views towards migrants, but from what I can tell, there is no Nazi symbolism on their web site, no call for Jews or other "undesirables" to be exterminated, no stated desire to found a police state dictatorship or any other semblance of recreating the a German-style National Socialist movement.

      So they don't seem very neo-Nazi to me, but you seem awfully biased by labeling them as such.

    2. Re:extremist by Martin+S. · · Score: 0

      You won't find it ironic after you've read this

      https://libcom.org/files/Rober...

  17. No more room to the left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We did a thorough investigation, and we didn't find a liberal bias.""

    That indeed would happen when you are so far left already ...

  18. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For the record, the media is slightly left on social issues and hard right on anything economic. Which makes sense when you pay attention to ego owns the media.

    I understand why you think that, but you're wrong, it's not "right" on anything economic.

    The stance of the "right" is for the market to work things out, that no government action is needed in support of either the corporation or the consumer, and that consumers have the advantage of numbers which protects them just fine if they use it. The stance of the "left" is that big brother needs to protect the consumer because they can't protect themselves.

    The media moguls definitely are not in favor of laissez-faire, they want government-supported monopolies (fascism) to protect them against the rise of the independent media sources, bloggers and small outfits which the Internet made far more accessible than ever before.

    The "left" likes to say that fascism is a principle of the "right", and points to evidence that "right-wing" politicians often support fascist policies (pro-business government involvement). But that's an invalid argument. Fact is, politicians of all stripes are far more fascist than the people they claim to represent. It's not hard to see evidence of this in "left-wing" groups as well, which is why some are erroneously claiming that Hillary is actually very right-wing. She's not, she's just fascist like all corrupt politicians.

  19. Liberal bias by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    Liberal bias is a problem only if conservative views are good for self and society.

  20. "we didn't find a liberal bias" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lean in a bit closer, Cheryl, and you might find it.

  21. Establishment bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arthur is an expected pick when liberals want to signal that they aren't really biased and look he actually agrees with us when it comes to the torch and pickfork flyovers.

  22. Facebook users should be the ones trained by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    It is the people who look to Facebook for valid news who should be trained. Why in the world could they possibly consider Facebook to be a news outlet for anything more significant than cat videos?

    1. Re:Facebook users should be the ones trained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I even have my FB Purity extension set to hide that annoying Trending News side bar, it just wastes room on stuff I typically don't give a damn about anyway and if I did I probably already saw it through Google News already.

    2. Re:Facebook users should be the ones trained by somenickname · · Score: 1

      That probably explains why so many people rely on Facebook for news: Cat videos are approximately as useful as most "news". And, they have cats...

    3. Re:Facebook users should be the ones trained by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      A lot of people watch the news for comedy, and comedy for the news.

  23. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Reality Has a liberal bias."
    If I have to hear this old bromide, worn out and incorrect, one more time-- I'm going to make a fish ride a bicycle.

    REALITY HAS NO BIAS.

    CAPTCHA: Idiotic

  24. self-investigation is bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Cheryl Sandburg / Zuck really wanted an honest investigation of bias, they would have hired an outside firm to perform the investigation.

    Since many conservative/GOP talking points are outright fabrications, I don't think that it's good for Facebook to promote them. If they suppress incorrect information, that would be more helpful than kissing the GOP's fat white ass.

  25. University of Woolamaloo - Rule 2 by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Would this be like the "beating up sooties" training some police departments use? IOW, how not to get caught doing it?

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  26. Why all the pretending? by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

    What does it matter if they do have a bias? They're a private company. In the same way that they're free to be unethical (just not outright illegal) about what data they collect and what they do with it, they're equally free to decide that they want to promote scalping baby seals for millionaires' sexual pleasure. The only motivation they have to pretend otherwise is whether they think they'll lose eyeballs/dollars incrementally in any given scenario. Frankly, I *liked* the idea that they were suppressing conservative bullshit. (Not that I matter to their bottom line; I've never had an account and never will.)

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  27. Faceberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sheryl Sandberg...

    Get these government database jews off Slashdot at least once a week OK? This didn't used to be a site that gave 2 shits about Facebook or Microsoft. Now they pay to have their stories
    1) put on front page
    2) teams go and debate bullshit in the first 20 or so posts trying to slant facts

    1. Re:Faceberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      government database jews

      It is what it is.

    2. Re:Faceberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a Facebook story that refers to a week old Facebook story about former executives of Facebook.

  28. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The economy has worked a lot better under Clinton and Obama than it did under Reagan, Bush1, and Bush 2.

  29. Reality has a liberal bias by nicolaiplum · · Score: 0

    Their problem is that reality has a liberal bias:

    The planet really is getting warmer. Trickle-down economics really doesn't work. Socailised, single-payer, single-risk-pool healthcare really is cheaper and more effective for the whole population, vaccination does prevent spread of infectious diseases, homosexuality is normal and harmless, and so on.

    It is a fundamentally different way of thinking: Conservative, reactionary people think that you can decide how things are and will be. Progressive, liberal people think that you discover how things are by experience, by the scientific method, and by other means. So when things turn out not to be as the Conservative, reactionary people think they are, it must be a conspiracy and a bias against them - they can't be wrong, because in their world they can't be wrong, they decide how things are.

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  30. No-one complains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Silicon Valley companies have a liberal bias ...

    No-one complains when companies are biased towards "greed is good", 'corporations have more rights', "too big to fail (corporate welfare)", 'money is free speech' policies. Instead it's called 'creating wealth'.

  31. Look at coverage of trade deals by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    or even the Brexit. Or Uber and workers rights. Or Unions.

    Fascism is the least of my worries. Government is a tool. A powerful one. It's going to get made and it's going to get used whether anyone likes it or not. The rich have _always_ used gov't. If we put our heads in the sand to hide from facism and try to create "Small" government all that will happen is our Small will be crushed by their large. This is just what happens. Spend a few hours on google or even just listening to the court jesters that pass for a left wing press (Stephen Colber, John Oliver, Samantha Bee) and you can prove it for yourself...

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  32. Where's the bias? by xtsigs · · Score: 1

    Is the bias in the filtering or in the underlying nature of the stories being filtered?

    For example, several polls suggest that the majority of American (85% in January Pew Research report) want expanded background checks for gun purchases. It is reasonable to think that media outlets, who sell clicks by saying what people already believe, would publish stories that reflect this popular bias.

    What is unbiased filter? Is it that all views be represented equally? Perhaps it is that all views be represented in proportion to their audience. Is the "values center" (I can't think of a better term just now) clustered around the median of public opinion or the mean of public opinion? If you choose one as your gold standard of "unbiased" then you are inherently biased toward the other. You will make some people happy and others unhappy.

    Gallup reported in October, 2015 that 58% of Americans say that marijuana should be legal in the US (several more recent polls show this percentage has increased since then). This is very different than in 1969 when it was just 12% of Americans who said it should be legal. What was once an extreme left wing view, has become a main stream view. Those against legalization were once main stream view but are increasingly becoming a minority view. A similar trend has occurred regarding background checks for gun ownership; according to one poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm) 92% of Americans favor such checks. How then should Facebook filter stories about weed and gun control? Should it try to represent all views equally or should the filtering reflect the changing values of the public. If the American Enterprise Institute wants their views to be heard, should they look to Facebook to tilt the number and types of stories toward the conservative view in order for it be "balanced?"

    Should stories confirming climate change science get equal billing with the debunkers?

    Should minority views be represented in proportion to their frequency and audience? There are some crazy views out there that really don't deserve equal billing. Then there are some minority stories and opinions (such as this one) that get little attention, but absolutely everyone should read them. Time after time, the minority view (e.g. heliocentrism, theory of relativity, evolution, &etc) has turned out to be worth considering. That what I think, but perhaps I'm biased.

  33. NRA by tuxgeek · · Score: 1

    Nazis
    Retards &
    Assholes

    As most normal people refer to them
    Just FYI ..

    And No, Those cocksuckers are not a civil rights group anymore than Charles Manson is to movie stars.

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