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2 Million-Person Terror Database Leaked Online (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via The Stack: A 2014 version of the World-Check database containing more than 2.2 million records of people with suspected terrorist, organized crime, and corruption links has been leaked online. The World-Check database is administered by Thomson-Reuters and is used by 4,500 institutions, 49 of the world's 50 largest banks and by over 300 government and intelligence agencies. The unregulated database is intended for use as "an early warning system for hidden risk" and combines records from hundreds of terror and crime suspects and watch-lists into a searchable resource. Most of the individuals in the database are unlikely to know that they are included, even though it may have a negative impact on their ability to use banking services and operate a business. A Reddit user named Chris Vickery says he obtained a copy of the database, saying he won't reveal how until "a later time." To access the database, customers must pay an annual subscription charge, that can reach up to $1 million, according to Vice, with potential subscribers then vetted before approval. Vickery says he understands that the "original location of the leak is still exposed to the public internet" and that "Thomas Reuters is working feverishly to get it secured." He told The Register that he alerted the company to the leak, but is still considering whether to publish the information contained in it.

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  1. Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... is still considering whether to publish the information contained in it ...

    How can a databse is said to be leaked online when the person who says he has it is still considering whether to publish the info?

    1. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly, he should put it on a torrent server or shut up.

    2. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      Other users may have a copy. It's leaked to anyone who payed the subscription fee.

    3. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by popo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real question is this:

      How many American citizens are on the list?

      And do they have a right to know that they're on said list? What are the due process protections for these people?

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    4. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's irrelevant - due process only applies to the state, not the action of private companies like banks, airports and airlines, etc.

    5. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a list of people who ask stupid questions. Do you have a right to know whether you are on the list?

    6. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REST API or it didn't happen.

    7. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's more than one question but hey, Americans aren't so good at math. Or politics. Anything else for that matter, apart from racism and accumulating body fat.

      So let me answer those questions for you in short order, armchair politico:

      1) I can gurantee you that if there are Americans on the list, it will be poor to middle-class Muslims or other "undesirables," rather than people like Donald Trump, people like George W. Bush, anyone who uses fear and hatred to control a subservient population.

      2) Of course you have a right to know you're on the list. If you pay a fee anywhere up to and including $1 million. If you haven't paid your fee, fuck you, you're probably an ISIS recruiter anyway.

      3) The same "due process protections" that were available for the people in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay -- jack fucking shit. You THINK you have rights. I'm sure you have your handy novelized copy of the Constitution handy and all, feel free to look them up. If you think that any of it applies when the government decides you're a terrorist, you're both wrong _and_ hideously stupid to boot. These people don't care about "rights." These people redefined the word "torture" in the American legal system so that they could waterboard people and build human pyramids out of naked prisoners. You know, to pose with for the ol' Facebook account.

      The _REAL_ question is this:

      Are you so deluded, so blind to the world around you that you're still waving your little red-white-and-blue flag on the fourth of July, so glad to be in the land of the free? Land of the torturers, land of secret prisons, land of Homan Square and corrupt politicians, land of militarized police forces and George Fucking Zimmerman? If so, I'm glad. I'm glad because it indicates to me that you are at an evolutionary dead end. You are a human being with zero worth. THAT is how your government sees YOU. A potential source of revenue or a potential terrorist, there is no in-between.

    8. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you're on your own list 'cause that the stupidist question I've ever heard...

      CAP === 'typhoid'

    9. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It is illegal in the United States to use race or religion as a factor when deciding who can get loans, who can open accounts, who can fly on planes, and so on. This list is generated using black box sources and methods which could very well make use of race or religion as a factor. One can certainly argue the merits of profiling (much of the rest of the world sees it as beneficial), but in the United States these metrics are illegal to consider, and in some cases, even collect. Without a bit more transparency into this list, it may very well be illegal for any of these governmental organizations or private companies operating within the United States to make use of this list in determining *any* of the aforementioned activities, hence the need for transparency and due process.

    10. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Served straight outta Node.js rewritten in Rust! If not, you're an old fart.

      Now get off my iPhone's screen.

    11. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice of you to show that you're only interested in the civil rights of about 5% of the world's population. Everybody else is an acceptable target, right?

    12. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by kaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The real question is this:
      How many American citizens are on the list?

      Why is this relevant?
      Are American citizens somehow more or less entitled to be on the list than, say, Germans or Japanese?
      Due process should apply to everyone regardless of their citizenship.

      Imagine you learn that there are no Americans on the list.
      Would it make the list and related contoversy a) better b) worse?

    13. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by geekmux · · Score: 2

      ... is still considering whether to publish the information contained in it ...

      How can a databse is said to be leaked online when the person who says he has it is still considering whether to publish the info?

      "... he understands that the "original location of the leak is still exposed to the public internet"..."

      It sounds like he is aware of the current leak location, which the administrators of the database are apparently trying to shut down.

      I agree, proof is needed to validate these claims, but publishing it online for the masses may not be a wise decision for a database like this. From a reputation standpoint, this is akin to labeling a teacher a child molester, with a due-process capability of the No-Fly list. And that's before you find the list was tampered with prior to a mass leak. Could be rather career-ending for many, accurate or not.

    14. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by houghi · · Score: 2

      Because he was not the intended person. Leaked does not mean 'published'.
      If one person that should not have access to data has access to data, it is leaked.From that moment on the data must be considered unsecure.

      And I mean access, not even in possesion of said data. Used to work in a bit of a security enviroment and one day the police came in who had a meeting. (Non-uniform guys) We all locked our monitor as they walked by to the meeting room as they might have seen something they were not allowed to see. Stoopid manager who selected that meeting room and he never did it again.

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    15. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by ACE209 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      +1 "too insulting but I see your point"

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    16. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by DarkOx · · Score: 1, Insightful

      From my perspective yes, they have their own governments that should be looking out for their interests, the job of the US is to look out for the interests of US citizens.

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    17. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >"And do they have a right to know that they're on said list? What are the due process protections for these people?"

      Then what is the due process for the USA's "terrorist watchlist"?? Thinking there is any due process for ANY of these types of list is a fantasy. And yet there is now even a movement we should start denying citizens their Constitutional rights for being on the secret list without even being told they are on a list, must less having any due process to challenge it.

    18. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Many, quite probably.

      No. This is a list compiled by a private party. A better question would be to ask why US government agencies are acting on intel compiled by a private Canadian company.

    19. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a leak - that's a product or service.

    20. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt the list is as vague as "olive skinned, 35 year old male".

    21. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      It's not really a leak though if you've paid a subscription for the commercial service. It's only leaked if you reshare that information unauthorized, or someone figures out how to share the information without a subscription and authorization to do so.

    22. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by msauve · · Score: 1

      "How can a databse is said to be leaked online when the person who says he has it is still considering whether to publish the info?"

      It's well described in the summary. There is a vulnerability which allows unauthorized online access to the database. At least one person has taken advantage of that. That's a leak. It doesn't mean it's been leaked to you.

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    23. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Due process can be given to non-citizens but there is no obligation to do so.

    24. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      He's got to make the sale. Yeah, it's a shell game. Let's see who wins, or if there will any follow up on the story. Unless the "list" comes out, it should be treated as a scam. If it does come out, and it's authentic, chalk one up for the good guys.

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    25. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      And do they have a right to know that they're on said list?

      Of course they do. That's why we need people to break in and take it if they don't cough it up voluntarily. If they can spy, we can too.

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    26. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I agree, proof is needed to validate these claims, but publishing it online for the masses may not be a wise decision for a database like this. From a reputation standpoint, this is akin to labeling a teacher a child molester, with a due-process capability of the No-Fly list.

      Yeah, it could be bad for a lot of people, but the only way we're going to solve the problem is by being completely public about it. You can't solve a problem by pretending you're not having it. That's the same reason why the EU's "right to have your bad behavior forgotten" directive is evil. The wealthy will have the most ability to have things forgotten (they have the power to be aware of more of the information: they can pay someone to look for it) and to hide their misdeeds. As ever, the people we need most to hold accountable will receive less accountability as a result. And meanwhile, we pretend that certain problems don't exist, or we pretend that certain things that everyone does are problems when they aren't, or aren't problems when they are, because we hide the scope.

      Some people may suffer, but freedom demands the full release of the list, so that the full scope can be understood.

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    27. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that list is used to keep anybody off an airplane or get a line of credit, or has any real effect on them, damn right they do. And we'll waterboard you to get it if that's what it takes. When you fuck with other people, you should pay the consequences.

    28. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      When a private company becomes an agent of the state, it should be subject to the same constitutional restrictions, but few people are willing to enforce that unwritten rule. Very unfortunate.

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    29. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 2

      He put an encrypted torrent up.

    30. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 2

      That's my problem with domestic spying, I never had a problem the NSA and CIA spying on all the other countries and their leaders and their people, that's their job to protect the US through foreign intelligence gathering, Those people don't get the protections of our laws or our constitution, but we do and that's why the domestic spying pisses me off.

    31. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but few people are willing to enforce that unwritten rule."
      Maybe because it is unwritten... and not a rule. Otherwise yes, private companies should be treated like the Federal government!!!!

      What the fucking fuck?

    32. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He basically stated he had the information, reported the security hole to Thompson Reuters, and was asking online if he should distribute it.

    33. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Am I a Terrorist? I have so many questions. Wait! There's a list for that.

    34. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Hans+Adler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, I know. The rest of the world are just your colonies. Because if we'd try the same kind of stunt the other way round all hell would break lose.

      I would call the US a pathetic bully - only the country actually gets away with it, so 'pathetic' isn't really the correct word. But what is worst is that most US citizens seem to be brain-washed to the point that they think this is OK and simultaneously wonder about why it is their country isn't more popular internationally.

    35. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no due process for this, because Thompson Reuters is no a government agency.

      In fact, they've all but admitted that nobody has managed to get off the list after being put on it.

      What I find incredible is that it's 2,200,000 entries long (in 2014). If we had that many people poised to act in anger, the world would be in flames. That means that probably 85% or more of the list is bullshit.

      But what would such bullshit be used for? Government agencies collect such information independently, so it's unlikely that they require Thompson Reuter's list. But private agencies don't have the resources to do that.

      So in my opinion, Thompson Reuters is complicit in violating blacklist laws in regards to employment and contract procurement. If you can come up with a reasonable alternative use for such a list, I'd like to hear it.

    36. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh shit, that's me.

    37. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Very few people give a fuck, or "wonder" why the US isn't more popular internationally.

    38. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by judoguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Then what is the due process for the USA's "terrorist watchlist"?? Thinking there is any due process for ANY of these types of list is a fantasy.

      And the answer is: No due process As an aside, I find it incredible that the LGBT community constantly votes for Democrat politicians that scream for secret lists that can be used to take away constitutional rights. My god, if any group should fear that, it should be the LGBT community.Let's do away with civil rights

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    39. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Europe, yes, people have a right to know what personally identifiable information you collect about them.

    40. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      We all know that it is only White Christian Males who are terrorists. WBC has killed so many people this year!

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    41. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by bbsguru · · Score: 2
      "The real question"? Really?

      You have no right at all to know what is on my "secret list". I have compiled it by digesting every news article published worldwide on the subject of underwater cribbage, and cataloging the names mentioned in any way. My reasoning is that people who have anything to do with that horrible sport are more likely to die by drowning, and I will base my Life Insurance rate quotes to them on that belief.
      You want to know who is on the list and why? Tough.

      You want to sue me for unfair business practices? Go ahead. But don't whinge about actuarial tables that say middle aged black men are more likely to die of heart disease than young females from the Mediterranean. While liars may figure, figures don't lie.

      Any company has a fiduciary responsibility to manage risk. One way to manage risk is by getting as much information as you can and making decisions based on that information. If you have bad information, you're not doing it right. But if you have no information, or are proscribed from making decisions based on what you know, you are (rightfully) out of business.

    42. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 0

      This "bully" saved Europe from extreme Nationalism ... twice. Perhaps the EU will succeed where Germany and Italy failed the last time at enslaving the world.

      Perhaps you want to speak Russian?

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    43. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by kaur · · Score: 1

      Non-citizens of WHAT exactly?
      ThomsonReuters is a Canadian company.

      Quoting their 2015 regulatory report from http://ir.thomsonreuters.com/p...:
      "We are a Canadian company with shares are listed on the Toronto Stock Exchange and New York Stock Exchange (symbol: TRI)."

    44. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be honest, the LGBT community is starting to wake up to the fact that the hodgepodge amalgamation of "united" interests that forms the Democratic/Progressive movement may not actually suit their interests. In the aftermath of the Orlando shooting, the "progressive" anti-gun bits of the LGBT community pretty much disappeared.

      My suggestion for the LGBT community is to look at the Libertarian Party, which views rights not as only for specific"Groups" but as absolutes for individuals.

      I suspect that LGBT people will someday realize that Progressive politics hasn't and isn't suiting their real interests.

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    45. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One can certainly argue the merits of profiling (much of the rest of the world sees it as beneficial).

      Bullshit. Nobody sees profiling based on race or religion as beneficial if they are actually interested in security. And that especially includes the Israelis.

    46. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      There is no due process for this, because Thompson Reuters is no a government agency.

      If they operate in the European Union and offer the list there, they are subject to European Union laws, and people have a right to both obtain all personally identifiable information about themselves, and to have it removed if this data collection is not specifically permitted.
      And it doesn't matter what nationality you are - even though Americans don't have that protection in the US, nothing prevents Americans from demanding the information in Europe.
      The first few cases where non-Europeans demand information from company branches in Europe are already making their way up the court systems.

    47. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but this bully was made up of more responsible and ethical citizens and a less corrupt government during those time frames. Today the bully stands as a shining example of oligarchy and corporatism and rampant cronyism. The people have no voice in what the government does now, and they show little efforts in reigning in the powers that are being abused. It may very well be beyond the critical point where the people even *can* effect change fast enough to avoid the sidestep legal loopholes created to continue business as usual. What the US was in it's past is not what it is today. History shows many empires crushed because of corruption coring out the system to favor the few powerful that then run to new safety; for the masses to bear the brunt of the consequences. America isn't special and shows signs of being well on the path following what seems to be a inevitable conclusion for all empires.

      Thanks to globalization policies, we're also heading to a point where all governments are affected by the same interests, with the same cycles encroaching everywhere at once. We have no history to look at to understand what the consequences are when all the empires reach tipping points at the same time.

    48. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps GP commenter is German or Italian.

    49. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      > less corrupt

      Wanna bet? And wanna compare either period to current corruption levels in Italy or France?

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    50. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If you had two brain cells to rub together you would understand that in international affairs, a country, or "power" that has the ability to maintain or increase its sphere of influence, will always do so. Would you prefer a power vacuum filled by some other power besides the US? Think about that.

      The government of the USA does that, as does any other government that has that ability.

      Sure, you can put moral judgements on what the US has done, but if you do, please add every other government or "power" that has done the same, such as Russia, the USSR, Germany, Japan, China, the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Aztecs, etc, etc

      And no, I'm in no way apologizing for any of the "bad things" the US has done, and continues to do, but in the grand scheme of history in the last 200 years, the US has been on the right side of things more often than not.

      So, to conclude, fuck the right off.

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    51. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need the keys.

    52. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's why other countries have a problem with the US. We aren't supposed to spy on allied leaders (we do, but it's bad and we shouldn't) and more importantly our laws, especially human rights, apply to everyone. Even to US citizens. For us, grabbing someone, flying them to a black site and torturing them is illegal and wrong, and just being a US citizen wouldn't make it any better.

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    53. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's false, according to the 5th and 14th Amendment non-citizens have a right to due process.

    54. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      My suggestion for the LGBT community is to look at the Libertarian Party, which views rights not as only for specific"Groups" but as absolutes for individuals.

      That is as likely as a Sanders fanatic voting for Trump.

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    55. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Some people may suffer, but freedom demands the full release of the list, so that the full scope can be understood.

      This is yet another way of saying It'll never happen to me.

      Let me know how you feel about your "freedom" when the person who's suffering is the one in the mirror, with your personal and professional reputation in the shitter.

    56. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a list maintained by the government. It's a list made by a private organization. There is nothing 'right to know' or 'due process' about this list.

    57. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Decryption key or it didn't happen.
       
      And if HR Clinton isn't at the top of that list then we know he's full of shit.

    58. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're ridiculously wrong.

      Obama has been telling the FBI, DHS, et. al. to leave Muslims alone. Hence, the Orlando shooter was on the list but taken off.

      COINTELPRO once targeted leftists activities to disrupt, degrade and destroy their political power. Now the left has slowly gained power in the establishment and so it's "right wing extremists" that are being targeted by such lists. Anyone advocating nationalism and owning guns is probably on the list for opposing the One World Goverenment's "Open Borders" plans. (hint: Obama just implemented the first steps of the North American Union - Canada, USA, Mexico all under one supergovernment just like the EU). You get on the list for dissenting against the plans of the elites. Terrorists aren't dissenting, they're seen as useful pawns to scare people into accepting more gun regulations.

    59. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not entirely false. Only on US territory. Not on foreign land.

    60. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Matheus · · Score: 1

      How can /. be expected to have meaningful and even remotely accurate titles and summaries when there are SO many mines to craft!?!

    61. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      This is yet another way of saying It'll never happen to me.

      No, I want to know if it's already happened to me.

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    62. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by sdguero · · Score: 1

      It is relevant if government agencies have access too (article says they do) and are acting against US citizens based on the list.

    63. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One can certainly argue the merits of profiling (much of the rest of the world sees it as beneficial).

      Bullshit. Nobody sees profiling based on race or religion as beneficial if they are actually interested in security. And that especially includes the Israelis.

      I think that people have a justified reaction against the notion of profiling but do you really think that a member of the IDF walking down a street in Jerusalem is going to regard a white Mormon man in his fifties visiting the "holy land" in the same way as he would a man of Arab descent in his twenties? Empirical data shows that one of them is a member of a group (not by his choosing) that is more statistically likely to commit acts of terror. Ignoring reality completely is just as bad as fabricating a narrative based on confirmation bias.

    64. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO nation providers foreigners with the same rights and privileges it accords its own citizens. That is elemental to the function of the nation state.

    65. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Link?

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    66. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are a number of Sanders supporters that will be voting for Trump, because they see Hillary as being more evil than Trump. Just like you're likely to see Republicans voting for Hillary, because the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.

      So, this year, all normal prognostications are going to be wrong.

      I am a Libertarian, and so I am enjoying every popcorn munching moment so far.

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    67. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If we viewed the rest of the world as our colonies, we'd grant all of you the same rights we grant ourselves. Now lay down on the board so we can strap you in and stuff this rag in your mouth so you can't cough the water out.

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    68. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Very few people give a fuck, or "wonder" why the US isn't more popular internationally.

      I get the impression that many 'Murcans would like very much if the US were LESS popular internationally!

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    69. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      That is as likely as a Sanders fanatic voting for Trump.

      First of all, that's not completely out of the question. A lot of Bernie's little guy talk resonates strongly among Trump supporters, so I imagine the converse is true, that there might be some things Trump says that will attract some Bernie fans. Some people just liked Bernie because he was an outsider and not a Clinton. Trump fits that bill.

      I don't see why a LGBT Libertarian is unlikely either. (besides the fact that it is unlikely for any American to be Libertarian). Gary Johnson has taken a fairly progressive stand on marriage equality, especially considering he's a reformed Republican. He's been fighting for gay rights at least as far back as 2011, when Hillary was still on the fence. Of course, she just votes for whatever the polls show will get her more votes (arguably that's a good thing).

    70. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is just looking to get paid by Reuters. There was an update on reddit blog he posted that he was in contact with them so they can fix the issue. I am sure he will get paid a good and he got his 15 min of fame.

    71. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Slashdot is no longer news for nerds, or stuff that matters.

      It is now a Reddit and Engadget aggregator.

    72. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's that 50-year old guy doing? Is he nervous? Does he have luggage that would be unusual for the area? Does it look like a kidnapper is threatening him? Could someone be coercing him into being a bomber?

      The Israelis profile BEHAVIOR. They know that if they just look at surface features, then they'll create holes in their system that are easy to exploit.

      Google 'Anne-Marie Murphy' for an example.

    73. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      I think it's one of the problem with our two party system. it makes it so that very few people can be part of a party they truly believe in. Democrats seem to care more about LGBT rights so that's what the demographic tends to support. I guess it helps that persecuting the LBGT group involves outing them instead of quietly restricting them with secret lists. Conversely, I know Christians who are Republicans even though their faith & morals makes them support stronger social safety nets and looser restrictions on immigration.

    74. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's that 50-year old guy doing? Is he nervous? Does he have luggage that would be unusual for the area? Does it look like a kidnapper is threatening him? Could someone be coercing him into being a bomber?

      The Israelis profile BEHAVIOR.

      Well, that's too bad, since behaviour is easier to fake. How easy is it, even for someone not into acting, to fake being nervous to create a diversion? How easy is it for a psychopath to remain cool during a stressing situation?

    75. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Only if water going through a pipe is a leak.

    76. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if the 50-year-old guy is just a diversion, that's information. You got a lot more out of that than just looking at skin color. And a well-trained behaviorist can id the guy who is acting too cool in a situation.

      No system will ever be perfect, but that are fewer holes with behavior-based profiling than if you just go by appearance.

      Well, that's too bad, since behaviour is easier to fake.

      So lets try an experiment. We'll supply the biker clothing, since apparently you think that's hard. You just have to hang out in a biker bar for a while, behaving like a biker, since you think that's easy.

      I'm sure you'll get through that just fine ....

    77. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      First off, as a Libertarian, people (all) have the same rights. Gays don't have more or less rights than I do.

      Second off, as a Libertarian, I have no idea why government is involved in defining marriage, one way or another. Government shouldn't be supporting, promoting or otherwise having anything to do with "Marriage". The problem with gay marriage isn't the "gay" part, it is the nature of the "promotion" via government sanctioned grants, deductions and benefits to people engaged in contractual relationships of any sort.

      At some point, we're going to have to admit that government sanction "rights" that are actually "benefits" and "deductions" and "Grants" are themselves discriminatory even when trying to address previous discrimination. Two wrongs don't make a "right" :)

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    78. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could point a few fallacy types you are incurring, but I will only claim false equivalence.

    79. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, have some security reading:
      https://www.schneier.com/blog/...
      I couldn't find the more detailed essay I was looking for, but you can use that one as a starting point.

      PS: 'Invoking' probably would have been a better word choice than 'incurring'.

    80. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by starblazer · · Score: 1

      I get the impression that many 'Murcans would like very much if the US were LESS popular internationally!

      The majority of Americans do not have passports... or only have them for their once a year trip to Mexico.

    81. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    82. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as a Libertarian, I have no idea why government is involved in defining marriage.

      Marriage affects property rights, something the government is entrusted to be an arbiter of.

    83. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Second off, as a Libertarian, I have no idea why government is involved in defining marriage, one way or another.

      Because the government is expected to enforce those rights, even against uninvolved third parties.

      See, a marriage is not just two people making an agreement among themselves, but an agreement that binds other people.

      As such, the government is necessarily involved, until you can present a viable alternative.

    84. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      You might want to look at US participation in both European wars.

      In the first one, US entry did change the strategic balance of the war, and the Germans knew that they needed to win in the first half of 1918 or not at all. They responded by launching offensives, which failed to break the British and French and pretty much used up German army capabilities. It was after that that US troops got in the line in large numbers. Belleau Wood involved a relatively small number of German soldiers.

      In the second one, US entry was at the end of 1941, but the US wasn't a significant force in Europe for some time. The first Eighth Air Force raid was in mid-1942 using US-produced bombers borrowed from the RAF. The first US soldiers fighting Germans were about the end of 1942, after which it was pretty clear in retrospect that Germany was going to lose. The US had no more than one field army fighting Germans until June 1944, at which point German defeat was obviously the most likely result. US participation did hasten the end of the war and changed where the Western-Soviet demarcation line was.

      The USN played a minor role in WWI, mostly in the Mediterranean, which was never a significant naval theater in WWI. In WWII, the USN was fighting Germans from September 1941 on, and not doing too well. The USN role in winning the Battle of the Atlantic was definitely secondary to the British, and perhaps less than the Canadian. The USN did make sure the Battle of the Atlantic stayed won.

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    85. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The reason the government is involved with marriage is tradition.

      The important thing about marriage is that it's a package deal of changes that otherwise would be difficult or impossible to accomplish. It establishes an artificial and close family relationship. If my wife or I were to be unconscious, the other would make the care decisions. It's simple for one of us to inherit from the other. The government recognizes us as an economic unit for tax purposes. If she has a baby, I'm automatically the father unless I object and demand tests. There's a host of things that marriage is involved in, some good and some not so good, and most of these aren't government benefits. (For income tax purposes, a married couple pays less taxes than a family with one worker and one stay-at-home, and more than they would if they were able to file individually and had roughly equal and substantial incomes. This certainly isn't an unalloyed benefit.)

      What I'd like to see is some sort of declaration that would establish two people as each other's next of kin, with all that that implies. Legally, it would function something like marriage, but it wouldn't be called that. Marriage would then be a concept that various churches could latch onto with whatever religious restrictions they pleased.

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    86. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The right to be forgotten doesn't seem to rely on money. An individual can submit a request to Google, and I haven't heard they're charging large fees. Doing the investigation to see if the information is trivial: google yourself and look at the results. If there's information there that might be harmful to you if known, and the information may not be legally considered in various decisions, submit the request.

      I'd imagine that a wealthy person would find it harder to exercise the right, since there'd be much more information out there, and some of it might not be legally forgotten because it's significant.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    87. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US participation in WW1 and 2 is irrelevant. Past actions do not give any person or organization carte blanche to violate international law in the present.

    88. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The second-deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history was committed by a trio of straight, white, christian males. Straight, white, christian males invaded and took over a wildlife dept. facility this year. Another one assassinated a doctor a few years back.

    89. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The majority of Americans do not have brain cells... or only have them for their once a year trip to Mexico.

      FTFY

    90. Re:Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      magnet:?xt=urn:btih:21a1b8da8b13e1f8dfc44428ba6f986392236ccd&dn=Vickery+insurance+file&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969

    91. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Israel, as you walk down the street you see Christians, Muslims, Arabs, Jews and every ethnic and religious mix. All living quite harmoniously together. It is only the occasional (as in the US) hateful violent person of ANY ethnic or religious background, who will commit an atrocity.

    92. Re: Is it leaked or is it not yet leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind me setting up a drug gang in your bathroom? You left a power vacuum you idiotic nationalist.

  2. he is lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he is lying , no proof he has it or that ts real .....proof or it doesn't exist

  3. Could be a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    If the San Bernardino shooter, and the Orlando shooter are not in thr database, then it's a complete waste of money.

    1. Re:Could be a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      faggot

    2. Re:Could be a waste of money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was three psychos, not one. I'd say each one killed ~maybe~ 20.

      Also there are 7 billion people in the world.

      Go find one who cares about your whining.

    3. Re:Could be a waste of money by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Why? Are they still a threat?

  4. corp run private law by sittingnut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that "over 300 government and intelligence agencies" use this corporate run database of suspects is disturbing.

    how does one become a suspect? who investigates using what criteria? how can one get a name off?
      etc etc

    private individuals and corps can maintain lists of suspects if they want. but that public institutions use data, whose origin and processes are closed sourced, and costly too, to make decisions, is not good, and should be unlawful.

    1. Re:corp run private law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of information is collected from sites like CNN or Al Jazeera. Plus any paid informant is costly and closed source. This database is just another source.

    2. Re:corp run private law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how can one get a name off?

      DELETE FROM Watchlist WHERE Name = @Name

      Just sayin'.

    3. Re:corp run private law by pla · · Score: 1

      More like:
      delete from watchlist where SOUNDEX(name)=SOUNDEX(@name)

      Wouldn't want to accidentally allow Granny on the plane just because some minimum wage data entry clerk misspelled her last name - Now drop that cane and spread 'em, bitch!

    4. Re:corp run private law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually use Levenshtein. There's a rather ugly, but effective, T-SQL-flavored Levenshtein function that uses pseudo-matrix operations floating around on the internets. It's a sight to behold, in that train-wreck sort of way. But it's very useful for disambiguating address data (St -> Street = 4, Rd -> Road = 2, Hwy -> Highway = 4, etc.).

      Soundex is probably OK for names, though.

    5. Re:corp run private law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      private individuals and corps can maintain lists of suspects if they want. but that public institutions use data, whose origin and processes are closed sourced, and costly too, to make decisions, is not good, and should be unlawful.

      The issue isn't having some of this information available as an investigative tool... The issue is when these databases are used to harm people like putting them on a no-fly list or subjecting them to banking holds. At the point an investigation interferes with someone's life there should be a specific court order involved with a way to get a hearing and challenge the evidence.

  5. I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by rebelwarlock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Title:

    2 Million-Person Terror Database Leaked Online

    Summary:

    2.2 million records of people with suspected terrorist, organized crime, and corruption links

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say there aren't really two million people with terrorist links in that database.

    1. Re:I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Title:

      2 Million-Person Terror Database Leaked Online

      Summary:

      2.2 million records of people with suspected terrorist, organized crime, and corruption links

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say there aren't really two million people with terrorist links in that database.

      While you're out on the limb, I don't even have to climb the proverbial tree to not underestimate the capability to easily grow the list to that many.

    2. Re:I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "there aren't really two million people with terrorist links in that database."

      Unless "terrorist" is defined as someone who is patriotic, against the war and questions the government.

      That, or it is a membership list of Alex Jones followers.

    3. Re:I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd bet in an illegal casino, owned by mafia that some of those people are involved in moving and laundering money, contraband, or simply representing other people within that list.

    4. Re:I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say there aren't really two million people with terrorist links in that database.

      Probably be four degrees of Kevin Bacon. With six degrees, they could just lock anybody up. Wait, I should stop giving them ideas.

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    5. Re:I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's the old "five degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon" thing. You can link everyone to terrorism somehow, if you try hard enough.

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    6. Re:I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say there aren't really two million people with terrorist links in that database.

      Depending on the criteria there are likely even more people that have some degree of terrorist links. Play the six degrees of separation game and you will find out that it is pretty much 2 or 3 degrees of separation between everyone these days.

    7. Re:I guess "terror" is more exciting than reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also included the IRS list for anyone with a (R) next to their political affiliation.

  6. Where's Julian Assange when you need a wikileak? by CeasedCaring · · Score: 2

    Oh... right.

  7. Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if Hillary is on the list?

  8. Well that's nice... by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it's a good thing he posted it to /r/privacy. If he'd posted it to /r/news he'd likely have been banned, then shadowbanned for his trouble while the mods and admins would send him messages saying that he was banned for wrongthink or something along those lines.

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    1. Re:Well that's nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet BS, none of that matters in real life.

    2. Re:Well that's nice... by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      The internet is a tool used by billions in 'real life'. You may not have realized this yet, but it is not just a passive consumption device like television. It is used to conduct business, handle finances, research, entertain, etc. What happens here matters ore than what happens in your basement.

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    3. Re:Well that's nice... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So, out of interest, can you cite some examples of this kind of censorshop in /r/news? I'm interested to check it out for myself.

      Also, have you tried /r/TheNews? It claims to be uncensored.

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    4. Re:Well that's nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reddit (not even just a sub pocket of some place) is somehow 'real life' used by billions?

      Internet BS in this case refers to the above drama of basement dwellers not allowing other basement dwellers their voice in front of a million other basement dwellers.

      So, yes, internet BS, not a financial market or internation treaty negoatiation or anything else *important* that happens on the 'net.

    5. Re:Well that's nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (not the OP) I can provide my own ancedote with reddit/imgur. Long standing account with no serious past violations, couple hundred thou votes, and basically just a spare image dump for myself. Then came last summer and the election BS starts ramping up. ALL Bernie ALL THE TIME 24/7 on their front page etc so I'd toss up some pro-Trump posts from time to time in order to cut the stink of smug with some balanced posts. Anything Trump to those kiddies tho = thousands of false flags from the liberal community and eventually imgur's PC censorship gestapo paid me a visit while on their rounds. First a warning for "cleavage" in a picture (the first I've had in 4+ years), then another a few weeks later which made me blink again wondering "WTF?" We're talking about serious nit-picking here folks. Using ANY excuse to begin wearing down and silencing accounts that do not subscribe to the hive-mind. I had messaged staff, which gave nothing but canned responses. 3 emails exchanged with "sarah" herself wondering what the hell was going on over there compared to the years of fun and enjoyment the site use to provide. Even she couldn't give me a straight answer other than a policy decision from the powers above and if posters didn't like it they need not browse. That's when I went over to my reddit account of 4+ years, closed that down also, and told them I'll be happily browsing else-where as to per her suggestion and wished here a fun time in her "safe space" along with the rest of the mentally ill.

    6. Re:Well that's nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (not the OP) I can provide my own ancedote with reddit/imgur. Long standing account with no serious past violations, couple hundred thou votes, and basically just a spare image dump for myself. Then came last summer and the election BS starts ramping up. ALL Bernie ALL THE TIME 24/7 on their front page etc so I'd toss up some pro-Trump posts from time to time in order to cut the stink of smug with some balanced posts. Anything Trump to those kiddies tho = thousands of false flags from the liberal community and eventually imgur's PC censorship gestapo paid me a visit while on their rounds. First a warning for "cleavage" in a picture (the first I've had in 4+ years), then another a few weeks later which made me blink again wondering "WTF?" We're talking about serious nit-picking here folks. Using ANY excuse to begin wearing down and silencing accounts that do not subscribe to the hive-mind. I had messaged staff, which gave nothing but canned responses. 3 emails exchanged with "sarah" herself wondering what the hell was going on over there compared to the years of fun and enjoyment the site use to provide. Even she couldn't give me a straight answer other than a policy decision from the powers above and if posters didn't like it they need not browse. That's when I went over to my reddit account of 4+ years, closed that down also, and told them I'll be happily browsing else-where as to per her suggestion and wished here a fun time in her "safe space" along with the rest of the mentally ill.

      Masterful troll! Not a single concrete example one way or the other provided!

    7. Re:Well that's nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Masterful? ROFL Na I'm not looking for some sort of extreme reaction nor am I about to disclose the private emails exchanged between myself and imgur/reddit staff because some of us in this world still have things like integrity. I simply wanted to chime in with my own personal experience and if you've been in the loop at all then you should be intelligent and informed enough to realized what I'm echoing here has been the norm with imgur since late 2014 or so. I didn't want to believe it myself honestly, but when they eventually got around to dealing with me well... my eyes are wide open now. They shot themselves in the foot casting off the veil of neutrality and thankfully others like myself are taking action by letting imgur/reddit know there are greener pastures.

    8. Re:Well that's nice... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      That high drama is not BS to Reddit's accountants... Every pound of it is pure gold.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    9. Re:Well that's nice... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Sure. Also to note /r/worldnews engages in censorship as well. You can look through this sub which tracks censorship. Or you can head over to this link here on KiA(aka those "awful" gamergate people, who continue to do their jobs tracking this stuff) which has also covered /r/news censorship. r/news has a long history of censoring anything that doesn't agree with their groupthink. TPP? Removed and you're banned. Islamic terrorist attacks in western countries? "Local crime story" removed and you're banned. Factually pointing out someone is wrong? That's racist. You're also banned. Mass sexual assaults? "Local crime story" you're also likely banned. Unless of course it happens in a non-western country and doesn't involve illegals...then that's okay.

          You can also check(NSFW on some links) r.go1dfish.me and pick the subs you want by sticking a sub at the end of it like this r.go1dfish.me/r/news/

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    10. Re:Well that's nice... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      So, yes, internet BS, not a financial market or internation treaty negoatiation or anything else *important* that happens on the 'net.

      And yet millions of people get their news from sites like reddit every day. And when mods of "default subs" remove information that makes their ideology look bad, or because it hurts their feelings. Or a site like reddit has a larger impact on society as a whole, then it moves from "internet BS" to "that street corner where everyone talks." This of course is one of the big reasons there was a big backlash against facebook for their bias in "directing the news" to only particular points of view. I realize this might be difficult for someone to grasp, especially for someone who doesn't understand how the internet has changed the world. But now you've learned something and are less ignorant for it.

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    11. Re:Well that's nice... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You need to work on your critical reading skills a bit. Take /r/subredditcancer, the first link on there is a to this image. The poster claims that "/R/Politicaldiscussion mod shut down political discussion that's in favor of brexit", but when you look at the image it's just enforcing the rules against racial discrimination.

      The really odd thing is that it's an image, and in the discussion people have posted archive links to said image. Why not post an archive link to the reddit page in question? I can't find this post now, maybe you have a link?

      Looking at KiA, aka those awful "gamergate" people, we see more examples of this. For example, they cite this as an example of a censored thread, but when you actually look at the original it's not censored at all. As usual, none of the links have any context or even before and after shots, so it's impossible to know what the real deal is. Censoring talk of TPP seems bizarre anyway, since it is openly discussed elsewhere on Reddit.

      Another classic example is this. Note how the moderator says "all of your recent posts". We don't know if the other one in the image was the trigger. Even if it was, for statements like that context matters and we have none.

      Can yous see a pattern here? Images used to mislead you. Lack of context and links to the original threads that would let you investigate yourself. For extraordinary claims like this you need extraordinary proof, so I remain unconvinced.

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    12. Re:Well that's nice... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      [removed]

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    13. Re:Well that's nice... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Can yous see a pattern here? Images used to mislead you. Lack of context and links to the original threads that would let you investigate yourself. For extraordinary claims like this you need extraordinary proof, so I remain unconvinced.

      Well that's astounding. You remain unconvinced of threads where information is removed and you can't see anything. Noting above, and the "racial discrimination" or the usual cop-out when something is mentioned that they find offensive. AKA censorship because the subject matter will hurt their feelings.

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    14. Re:Well that's nice... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      http://i.imgur.com/S4d18lw.png

      You're right, even Slashdot is being [censored] by those evil freedom hating mods!

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    15. Re:Well that's nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many millions more people get insight as to how their day is going to turn out by consulting their Horoscope. The number of people informed or misinformed typically has little to do with the truth of the message (but it might have a lot to do with how it will be accepted).

    16. Re:Well that's nice... by amacide · · Score: 1

      So, yes, internet BS, not a financial market or internation treaty negoatiation or anything else *important* that happens on the 'net.

      And yet millions of people get their news from sites like reddit every day. And when mods of "default subs" remove information that makes their ideology look bad, or because it hurts their feelings. Or a site like reddit has a larger impact on society as a whole, then it moves from "internet BS" to "that street corner where everyone talks."

      Millions of people get their news from Fox News every day too... Doesn't mean these sites / channels are as important or far-reaching as might appear to some.

      This is a mistake I believe us geeks make often. Thinking some site like Reddit (or Slashdot, etc) is really that important and influential _to others_. It's not, sorry.

      Walk down the street talking to the average person and no they haven't got their news from Reddit or even know what that site is.... Internet BS indeed :-)

  9. I want to know, 50th bank? by marke5139 · · Score: 2

    Well, me and 2,199,999 of my friends anyway.

  10. Hopefully tracable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if every distributed version of the database is a little different and finding the leak path will be straight forward.

  11. Current version by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can bet that the current version of the db contains 2 million and one names on that last. I doubt Mr. Vickery will be getting on a plane anytime soon, plus he's got that IRS audit coming up too. Oh, and his FICO number is now 30.

    1. Re:Current version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Invalid FICO score detected. FICO scores must be between 300 and 850. Resetting score to last verifiable backup.

      Any vindictive spook worth his salt isn't going to blow it like that.

  12. Oh, Another Apologist of Donald Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And it's a good thing he posted it to /r/privacy. If he'd posted it to /r/news he'd likely have been banned, then shadowbanned for his trouble while the mods and admins would send him messages saying that he was banned for wrongthink or something along those lines.

    Ah yes, the revisionist steps forward providing a false narrative of what actually happened.

    You mean to say that if he submitted to /r/news and was removed for having no evidence and then got a group of fifty people to submit and rapidly upvote each other's submissions all saying the same thing that wasn't yet proven, flooding /r/news and the front page spreading as yet unsubstantiated claims.

  13. Important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is APK in the terrorist database? He should be.

    1. Re:Important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't you know? Hosts files protect you from being in terrorist databases, no fly lists, and all privacy breaches.

      -APK

  14. Re:Where's Julian Assange when you need a wikileak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's too busy attention whoring on Twitter?

  15. They use Google too. Compiled from public sources by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > private individuals and corps can maintain lists of suspects if they want. but that public institutions use data, whose origin and processes are closed sourced, and costly too, to make decisions, is not good, and should be unlawful.

    I understand your concern. Your suggestion is:

    It "should be unlawful" for public institutions to "use data, whose origin and processes are closed sourced".

    The list discussed in the article is compiled from open, public sources, so it wouldn't be covered by your proposal, but we'll stick with your suggestion now.

    Closed source information sources include:
    Google
    Encyclopedia Britannica
    TV news

    So there should be a law public institutions, including police, state college employees, etc., cannot use information they found in Google, the encyclopedia, or the news when making decisions.

    You've made a proposal which would have zero applicability to the event which caused your concern, while banning good and useful things. I'm going to try out my psychic powers and hazard a guess. My guess is you want to to ban guns too.

  16. "terror database", nice name by GuB-42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    At work we have an decades-old Oracle database, with constraints turned off and the inevitable inconsistencies.
    Ask anyone who has to work on it : "terror database" would be an worthy name.

  17. Re:Where's Julian Assange when you need a wikileak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's bitztream, the autism-hating Slashdot troll!

  18. Not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a list of people who ask stupid questions. Do you have a right to know whether you are on the list?

    The US constitution assigns certain powers to the federal government; and limits the abilities of the government to infringe on a subset of the rights of the people. Through the auspices of the 14th amendment, some of those limits are passed along to the states (generally those in the bill of rights, amendments 1-10.)

    It does not restrict the people.

    This means that even if the constitution, via an amendment or article's provisions, is taken to limit the actions of the government with regard to the people, it does not similarly limit the actions of the people with regard to others of the people.

    --fyngyrz
    anon due to mod points

    1. Re:Not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Contrary to what many would have people believe, the US Constitution is a document that is one of very limited, enumerated powers of the Federal government, not enumerated liberties of the people. (But having a limited government does not help the power-hungry politicians so they have bastardized the concept for 100+ years.)

  19. Not ust uploading the list for everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is more of a crime than the making of it.

  20. Oh look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a copy of the "leaked" database too, and I will allow anyone to search if they only pay me $900k - save $100k and get MY copy of that "database" instead...

  21. You're in the database of online weasels... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: After all, it takes 'great courage' (lol, not) to try smear my good name w/ unidentifiable ac posts like yours! My guess is that you're that FOOL Cryptizard I demolished today https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9302335&cid=52418783

    APK

    P.S.=> QUESTION: What's it like being a "ne'er-do-well" weasel that I have NO DOUBT utterly CRUSHED before in debates in things technical in computing? After all - I KNOW that's the why of WHY you do these "rumor monger" little girl BITCH TACTICS of yours posting totally unidentifiably anonymously - you KNOW I can toss your many defeats vs. myself BACK IN YOUR FACE... lmao! It's got to SUCK to be "someone like YOU" (a worm)... apk

  22. Re:They use Google too. Compiled from public sourc by sittingnut · · Score: 1

    so you find there is nothing disturbing in public institutions using a privately owned database of 'suspects' to make decisions(presumably security related decisions that may have far reaching consequences for so called 'suspects' and others )? database where suspects status as such is arrived at using unknown, vague, and closed, methods and sources, by people who are unknown and answerable to private entities. meanwhile 'suspects' (ie potentially everyone) have no way of knowing their status in database, and if they know cannot do anything about it.

    i find that disturbing and think it should be illegal.

    but there are always people who are willing to be controlled, and are willing to give up their decision making power to others along with all their lives. you one?

  23. It seems icky by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > so you find there is nothing disturbing in

    This situation is a bit icky, sure.

    Your proposed law, that government employees shouldn't be able to use privately-generated information is just ridiculous. A) It wouldn't affect this, because this is a compilation of primarily government lists, and B) most books, web sites, etc are privately generated. You've proposed making it illegal for government employees to use books.

    Your suggested law doesn't solve the problem you're trying to solve, and does create a lot of problems. Exactly like the people who want to ban "assualt weapons" and don't even know what an "assault weapon" is.

    1. Re:It seems icky by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      this more than "a bit icky".
      and you assume too much when you say absurd irrational things like " You've proposed making it illegal for government employees to use books". that is a clear sign of intellectual bankruptcy.

      it should be illegal for government employees to makes decisions about people, especially security related decisions that can alter lives of alleged 'suspects', based on a privately owned closed sourced database, whose methods are unknown, whose administrators are not accountable, and whose content cannot be questioned by those affected.

      do you agree?
      or will you again try to run from specifics of this (some of which i as outlined above )by ignoring the nature of this closed sourced data?
      you are free to be intellectually dishonest, in order to ignore specifics, and give up your freedom and support oppressive powers , but don't expect to convince others by such paltry methods. unlike you , they perhaps prefer to be rational and free.

  24. Just Another Hacker thinking he is cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just another hacker looking for there 15 min. Weather anyone knows who they are or not. These hackers claim they do it for the people. They don't if you have it release it. Don't be a baby. Stand up for what you believe in. Most hackers say one thing and believe another. They are unorganized and dangers to everyone. Most of them are punks that don't want to live there parents tit.

  25. How sad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've access to an historically unprecedented amount of information and we use it for social ostracism. Pathetic. On the whole, humans are dumb animals with little beyond petty, vulgar concerns, despite our much vaunted "consciousness".
    If you are going to make a list, it would be easier (and much shorter) to enumerate everybody who is NOT a complete dullard. I wouldn't make the cut.

  26. 1996 called .... by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

    wants its nonsense think back.

  27. Much more refined now by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Your new criteria sound much more reasonable.

    Particularly "content cannot be questioned by those affected". That's important. That means that before hiring a new employee to work for them, an agency CAN verify employment history / experience (which is based on the former employer's private database, maintained by methods unknown), because the prospective employee can challenge any inaccuracy. It allows government programs which make loans to check the recipient's credit score, which is again a private database with scores calculated by a secret algorithm, but you can dispute any inaccuracies.

    1. Re:Much more refined now by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      contrary to what you say, there was nothing new in my last comment, i said the same throughout in my objections here to public institutions using closed private data( including costly access and lack of ways to get 'suspect' names off), as everyone who can read see. but you chose to ignore what i said, and assumed absurdities as i pointed out above.
      now out of made up objections to what i said, you pretend to see "new criteria".

       

  28. Rockford Files epsiode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow this reminds me of a couple of episodes of Rockford Files, Season 04 Episodes 21 and 22 "The house on Willis Avenue" which was aired back in '78.

    http://www.tv.com/shows/the-rockford-files/the-house-on-willis-avenue-2-18058/

    Jim and Richie continue to investigate their mentor's death and follow leads to a massive computer data storage company that has a plot in a desert canyon...

  29. maybe you're right, still applies to Forbes 100 by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Maybe you're right, you didn't change the criteria, just made it SOUND better. So tell me which of these criteria does not apply to Fortune magazine's annual list of 100 richest people?:

    a) privately owned closed sourced database
    b) whose methods are unknown
    c) whose administrators are not accountable
    d) whose content cannot be questioned by those affected.

    Should it be illegal for a govt employee to read a magazine? Should it be illegal for an IRS auditor to see that while Bill Gates reported $0 income on his tax return, Forbes says he made $400 million dollars, and decide to look into that?

    You're getting all upset for some reason; I'm trying to clarify what your position is, exactly. Laws are difficult that way. A law means what it says, reading your mind to "oh, he didn't mean THAT" doesn't work. If you say "we have freedom of speech, anyone can say or print anything they want", then of course people will ask "what about Nazi propaganda?". When you say "well not propaganda", of course someone will ask "how do you define propaganda, and who decides if a particular writing is propaganda?".

    1. Re:maybe you're right, still applies to Forbes 100 by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      i suggest you go back to school and get an education. learn(if you even have a brain) to argue using logic instead of trying hard to cover your ignorance and irrationality ( and even idiocy) with absurd statements.

      -
      what i said-
      "it should be illegal for government employees to makes decisions about people, especially security related decisions that can alter lives of alleged 'suspects', based on a privately owned closed sourced database, whose methods are unknown, whose administrators are not accountable, and whose content cannot be questioned by those affected. "

      now carefully compare that to what you quote and 'argue' against. see the missing parts?
      and also notice parts that you quoted, but clearly failed to comprehend, like inability question, that already make redundant your lame 'arguments'?

      and also take a second look at the your absurdities (ie "You've proposed making it illegal for government employees to use books","Should it be illegal for a govt employee to read a magazine? Should it be illegal for an IRS auditor to see that while Bill Gates reported $0 income on his tax return, Forbes says he made $400 million dollars, and decide to look into that?", etc.) that you irrationally use to run from addressing what i specifically said.

      if you can, do all that.
      otherwise, as i said get an education to think rationally before you reply.

      but if you have no brain, of course you are free to continue with irrational idiocies, but i can't give you a brain.
      so i will treat you as you deserve; its fun to beat up the born idiots. lol