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US Regulators Investigating Tesla Over Use of 'Autopilot' Mode Linked To Fatal Crash (cnbc.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNBC: The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Thursday it is opening a preliminary investigation into 25,000 Tesla Motors Model S cars after a fatal crash involving a vehicle using the "Autopilot" mode. The agency said the crash came in a 2015 Model S operating with automated driving systems engaged, and "calls for an examination of the design and performance of any driving aids in use at the time of the crash." It is the first step before the agency could seek to order a recall if it believed the vehicles were unsafe. Tesla said Thursday the death was "the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated," while a fatality happens once every 60 million miles worldwide. The electric automaker said it "informed NHTSA about the incident immediately after it occurred." The May crash occurred when a tractor trailer drove across a divided highway, where a Tesla in autopilot mode was driving. The Model S passed under the tractor trailer, and the bottom of the trailer hit the Tesla vehicle's windshield. Tesla quietly settled a lawsuit with a Model X owner who claims his car's doors would open and close unpredictably, smashing into his wife and other cars, and that the Model X's Auto-Pilot feature poses a danger in the rain.
It was bound to happen sooner or later.
Luckily for Tesla this sounds like it couldn't have been avoided in any way.
There will be more... but, like Tesla says, their Auto-pilot system has thus far proven VERY safe. What remains to be seen is how the world reconciles the fact that there will always be outliers...
That's still pretty impressive if it's twice as safe as letting a human drive.
Even more so after seeing all the videos on youtube with people in the back of the car letting tesla drive.
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"the first known fatality in just over 130 million miles where Autopilot was activated," while a fatality happens once every 60 million miles worldwide. Autopilot is only allowed on highways, whereas I am sure they are comparing 60 million miles against normal driving which is inherently more dangerous than all cars heading in the same direction with barriers between the traffic flow. Apples and Oranges.
If my car is in autopilot, and I take control of the vehicle just before dying in an accident, is it considered an autopilot fatality?
Tesla's autopilot mode is still in beta, so it isn't a big deal. Because it's apparently OK to sell cars that have only been beta tested at most.
Tesla noted that customers need to acknowledge that autopilot "is new technology and still in a public beta phase" before they can turn it on. Drivers also acknowledge that "you need to maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle."
And some of you want us all to get into a so-called 'self driving car' with no manual controls that would at least give you a chance to save yourself. I'll just keep driving myself the old-fashioned way, thanks anyway, because I want to live. Ask me again in 50 years. I'll still say 'Hell, NO!', but at least then you'll have decades of data instead of a measly few years' worth.
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According to the article this was not something the driver could see and avoid, and while the autopilot could not see it either, based on the data from this crash it *could* see it the next time. Drivers learn from their own experience and fatal crashes terminate their learning experience, while autopilots learn from ALL autopilots on the road, and there are no "fatalities".
Of course it is always the fault of humans in the end, in this case the tractor trailer was not supposed to be there, so we'll only have perfect records when we get rid of all the drivers and have all the cars on autopilot.
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This would not have occurred I suspect.
Until "autonomous" means exactly that, we will have people lulled into not paying attention, and a driving system that cannot handle everything that is thrown at it. The result will be crashes.
No manner of EULA, or cries of BETA will get around that predictable result.
Expecting human nature to change to match your product's limitation is a fool's journey.
"Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied," Tesla wrote.
The driver likely didn't notice because he wasn't paying attention. That is something drivers can see when driving. You can see the front of the truck cross in front of you, you understand the sky doesn't suddenly shift colors, you understand previously seen road doesn't suddenly turn into sky, and if all that escapes you you can still see the truck wheels along the road. The car probably saw them too and figured it would fit between them. Why didn't the radar see the truck? Too angled towards the road?
None of the articles mention who died. Did the driver die? If so, how do we know he didn't notice the truck? Did a ghost tell us? If someone else, then we can't trust the driver isn't trying to cover his ass. No one gets into accidents on purpose unless you're making YouTube videos.
Why didn't the radar see the truck?
The radar saw the truck's trailer, but misidentified it as an overhead sign, because it was so high off the ground.
Did the driver die?
Yes.
If so, how do we know he didn't notice the truck?
If he had noticed the truck, he presumably would have applied the brake. (we'll have to assume the driver wasn't feeling suicidal)
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
It was a frigging tractor-trailer crossing the street. How can anybody in their right mind claim that this was impossible to see??? If you, as the driver, cannot see a tractor-trailer crossing the street (no matter whether it's white or any other color), then you shouldn't be driving a car. If the car's AI cannot distinguish it either, it's not fit to control your vehicle. Very simple. You can be pretty sure that any human that pays attention while driving would notice a truck crossing the street, and hitting the brakes in time (actually, you would most likely already see it approaching the intersection, and, if it doesn't slow down, you can probably guess that he's trying to make it across, and you would react accordingly). If, of course, you *don't* pay attention (or you have a color-blind AI driving the car), then all bets are off. But don't tell me "it's impossible" to see a white tractor-trailer...
In addition to the Tesla having Ludicrous speed mode, it appears there's a secret Kevorkian speed mode.
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It sounds like the truck crossed the lane without enough time for the oncoming cars to make it but all we hear is how the autopilot is at fault. I can understand how the the sensors missed the trailer and that is going to be something all developers will have to add to their tests (when seeing a rig with a space after it then check for tires).
We are going to see cases like this come up now and again with self driving cars but there won't be a need for a recall. What should happen is an alert go out to the owners of cars while the manufacturers check their systems. If their cars pass tests then they can send out messages to their customers. If not then they create an update, test it, verify it, and send it out. Until owners of the cars hear that the system has been verified then they need to be extra vigilant when such an event happens.
If this had been a Google car, there would have been no accident. Google has much better radar which maintains a model of all vehicles in the vicinity before they turn into your direction, and it's high enough up that it would not miss a trailer.
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Having the car on autopilot, but requiring the driver to "pay attention" and be ready to take over within seconds is the worst combination possible.
Not in all cases. We've had cruise control for many years which is a crude form of autopilot. It's been my experience that (surprisingly) it doesn't result in paying less attention to the traffic around you. If anything my experience has been the opposite. I tend to actually pay as much or more attention when the cruise control is on. I've spoken with other drivers who have experience the same thing. What you are saying has merit but there is some nuance there too. I don't think it is quite as simple as autopilot = less attention though that will be the case sometimes.
What is the reason one would switch the car to autopilot? Most likely so that they can be less attentive to the road.
Physical comfort for one. I use cruise control because keeping my leg locked in a single position for long periods is physically uncomfortable. I could see someone using greater degrees of automation for similar reasons. Again, you are not wrong but there is nuance here.
Autopilot still has a far better safety record than human drivers.
There is insufficient data to take that claim seriously at this point. Autopilot features are promising but need a LOT more miles in real world conditions before it is safe to make generalizations like that. I know a lot of people have high hopes for autopilot (myself included) but let's not let our expectations get in the way of scientific evidence.
One thing I do feel comfortable stating is that more people are going to die before autopilot features become truly safe. There are lots of corner cases that we're going to have a hard time predicting and we'll only learn about after some accidents occur. This is the case with any new transportation technology. Airlines are very safe these days but early on they were significantly less so because there were problems we didn't know about yet. Airline windows are rounded because we learned the hard way about stress fractures from sharp cornered windows which wasn't obvious at the time. People had to die to learn that lesson. This won't be the last time someone dies making autopilot safe.
There seems to be big flaw in the design of the trailer that allowed this to happen.
In the UK HGV trailers are required to have side and rear run-under prevention to stop this very thing from happening.
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Sure, just be perfect. Great plan for humans.
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