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Linux Mint 18 'Sarah' Released, Supports Generic GTK X-Apps (linuxmint.com)

Posted by EditorDavid on from the freshly-Mint-ed dept.

Slashdot reader Type44Q writes: The Linux Mint team announced the immediate availability of their latest release, Mint 18 "Sarah," in Cinnamon and MATE flavors. These follow on the heels of their respective beta versions, which have been out for nearly a month.
"Linux Mint 18 is a long-term support release which will be supported until 2021," the team announces on MATE's "new features" page, adding they've improved their update manager, included support for the Debian syntax of "apt", and are working on the "X-Apps" project to "produce generic applications for traditional GTK desktop environments...to replace applications which no longer integrate properly outside of a particular environment."

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  1. So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "produce generic applications for traditional GTK desktop environments...to replace applications which no longer integrate properly outside of a particular environment."

    Is that just a polite, politically-correct way of saying that they're fixing up all of the shit that the GNOME 3 and systemd crowd have broken over the past several years?

    1. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by SurenEnfiajyan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exacly.

    2. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "produce generic applications for traditional GTK desktop environments...to replace applications which no longer integrate properly outside of a particular environment."

      Is that just a polite, politically-correct way of saying that they're fixing up all of the shit that the GNOME 3 and systemd crowd have broken over the past several years?

      I came here to post the same thing. By "particular environment" they have to mean systemd. To depend so heavily on a particular "init system" when standards exist for a reason was a big mistake. Even if systemd were perfect the decision to be totally dependent on it is a mistake. Systemd is not perfect. The decreasing ability to avoid it is a problem. I've used Gentoo for a long time and happened to dodge this one - I just stayed with openrc. That doesn't make it less of a problem for others.

    3. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Nope, not at all.
      This is for the text editor and pdf viewer etc.

    4. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here is the rationale for the GTK3 X-apps and a couple finished example of them.

      http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/02/the-first-two-x-apps-are-ready/

      It's about how Gnome 3 has crapified gedit, evince etc. and uses non-standard GUI elements - Gnome-specific parts of GTK3 - in client-side decorated windows.
      Another reason is to remove a few dependencies, and in particular remove some of the distro-level hackery where Mint had gedit locked at version 2.30, so you couldn't install gedit 3. More generally it's part of removing warts that have historically made Cinnamon difficult to run on other distros, or some Gnome 3 applications on Cinnamon or Mint.

      Earlier blog post on it
      http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2985

    5. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Noting depends on systemd. Nothing depends on a specific init system.

      Software may depend on specific APIs that expose certain kernel features like cgroups, so if you're not happy with having systemd do that then either write your own interface or pay someone to write it for you.

    6. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Noting depends on systemd. Nothing depends on a specific init system. Software may depend on specific APIs that expose certain kernel features like cgroups, so if you're not happy with having systemd do that then either write your own interface or pay someone to write it for you.

      That's roughly as useful as saying software doesn't require Windows or Mac or Linux, just their APIs. Sure you have things like WINE but it only exists through tons of effort and still only works half the time.

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    7. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Good, I finally stopped using adobe acrobat reader, since they don't even support linux anymore. I installed the recommended evince, and upon starting it up my first thought was 'wtf is this ?' It has a non-standard title bar that looks completely out of place with anything that isn't gnome. Honestly it looks so out of place I thought it must have been from the times when developers simply didn't know any better. I use XFCE.

      I even looked for an option to make evince look normal, but alas this 'include the title bar in the app and ignore the window manager' feature is built into GTK 3 and is 'up to the app developer to use or not'. Wow GTK, really ? You are supposed to be GTK not GNOME :( I miss gtk 2.

    8. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It doesn't exist through any effort of mine. But hey you're comparing a volunteer effort of great programmers in implementing an undocumented API vs the might and resources of Microsoft, to a volunteer effort of great programmers implementing an open and well documented API vs what according to slashdot is currently the worst programmer on the planet.

      You may poo-poo it as being not useful but it is actually the very nature of software development. At a lower system level most software exists as APIs to provide kernel functionality. If Lennart Poettering can figure it out, anyone can right?

    9. Re: So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Be sure to set -systemd in your make.conf, otherwise it will slowly creep into your system.

      Also, look into Funtoo. It's a fork of Gentoo by the original Gentoo creator. He's made it apparent systemd will remain a second class citizen.

    10. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      No, just Gnome 3. Desktop users aren't complaining about systemd, the init system change has little effect on desktop users.

    11. Re:So they're fixing GNOME 3's fuck ups? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      If you're nostalgic for the good old days, use the programs from Mate.

      Atril is their evince fork and should work seamlessly under xfce.

  2. systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since it was missing from the summary, the Mint 18 release is based on Ubuntu 16.04 and now includes systemd.

  3. Sarah Conner? by drew_92123 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just don't install it on an array of Conner HDDs... ;-)

  4. Mint is almost awesome by future+assassin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    only issues I have is that for some reason once in a blue moon (every 3-4 months) some thing happens with either the system or FGLRX drivers and get a blank cursor on loading screen and x wont start. Have to totally purge remove FGLRX resintall xorg for it to work again. Install FGLRX once one and I'm good to got for an other 4 months.

    Also should add this isn't Mint per say but running AMD A10 5800 the new AMD and Rageon drivers are MUCH smoother when playing Xonotic. Basically just as good or better than on my works Win7 machine with better graphics and CPU.

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    1. Re:Mint is almost awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      future assassin, on a dual boot machine make sure to shut down properly or else the DIRTY POWEROFF remains set, and the rendering will not initialize and only give you that accursed blank screen with cursor.

    2. Re:Mint is almost awesome by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      This has been a thing with X ever since the 2.6 kernel was released

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    3. Re: Mint is almost awesome by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I gave up on getting it to work properly with AMD GPU's years ago...

    4. Re: Mint is almost awesome by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      I don't have an issues with the install or the APU or GPU working, just the issues I described in my og post. Also like stated with AMD drivers from about 3 months ago gaming has improved quite a bit with both FGLRX and Radeon drivers.

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    5. Re:Mint is almost awesome by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

      FYI the FGLRX is deprecated in Ubuntu 16.04 (or any distro of the same Xorg newness) and your A10 5800 will not be supported by the newer driver, so 'radeon' driver it is.

  5. Nice, but... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    I looked at this the other day and it's nice, but realized that I can get basically the same thing, even the Mate desktop layout - if I wanted (via Mate Tweak: Redmond, Enable Advanced Menu) - simply by using the official Ubuntu 16.04 "ubuntu-mate" flavor. Sure Mint offers some simplifications, but then I have to track two distros in my head, Ubuntu and Mint, and one is simpler than both -- especially if I want to put a server edition on one system and a desktop edition on another, and/or use Ubuntu at work... (we use RHEL too but I'm not a fan)

    While I'm still not enamored with systemd - not the idea, just the implementation, its seemingly black-hole like scope expansion, the dick developers, etc (and I guess some of that could be said of several Canonical decisions too) -- I... am... over... it... and just want a stable system on which I can get some work done. (I feel this way about trying to choose a distro too.) And want something I can use on both newer and older hardware - which excludes using Unity (barf) and GNOME 3.

    Just my $0.02.

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    1. Re:Nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Use Slackware.

    2. Re:Nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It took a while but Ubuntumate.org is filling that gaping hole caused by the Gnome 3 fuckup. A useable desktop that sides with Canonical in the update imbroglio, namely that Mint is too conservative updating kernels while Ubuntu stays almost in lockstep.

      Big kudos to the ubuntumate guys, worth a few bucks donation imo.

      Captcha: quagmire

    3. Re:Nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's what I do too. My problem with Mint is that they have no "mini.iso" network install disc. I use that a lot for diskless installs (all of my machines are diskless) from local cache which are automatically at the latest package version. The lack of that means Mint is no good to me and they seem to have no interest in supporting it.

      Like you said though, it doesn't matter. You can just use Ubuntu then install the flavor you want (MATE, Xubuntu, etc). There is even a Cinnamon flavor but frankly it sucks as bad or worse than GNOME3 and Unity when you have lots of monitors.

    4. Re:Nice, but... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      and just want a stable system on which I can get some work done. (I feel this way about trying to choose a distro too.) And want something I can use on both newer and older hardware

      Those are precisely the reasons that I switched my primary home desktop OS from Ubuntu to Mint several years ago. (This was actually before the Unity debacle, but I could have seen something like that coming given poor choices Ubuntu had made before.)

      I'm NOT trying to convert you. We all have our particular stories and needs. But Ubuntu for many years never actually satisfied the "just works" criterion I care most about -- they seemed too interested in showing off Wobbly Windows and other BS, while major functionality would often break on every upgrade. Particularly things like sound, video, codecs, etc. always seemed a pain to actually get working, and they were often unstable. (And I'm not kidding that EVERY new version broke things on my systems, and each time the breakage was different.)

      I just got tired of it. I abandoned Ubuntu and went back to Debian for a while, though that had its own issues. Distro-hopped for a while, but nothing ever seemed stable and user-friendly. Then I tried Mint, and every computer I've installed it on in the past 6 years or so has "just worked." (And as for older hardware, the XFCE edition has worked great for me.)

      I'm sure Ubuntu is probably more stable now, but I've seen no compelling reason to go back. Mint's interface is relatively stable and works. It's funny, but that's really all I give a crap about these days in an OS -- don't change stuff every year for no apparent reason, and make it work on standard hardware. And if possible give me a choice that runs as light as possible on system resources. I can get used to just about anything if it satisfies that criteria, but unfortunately most OSes don't.

    5. Re:Nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Therein lies the paradox of Mint users...they think they've actually abandoned Ubuntu.

      It's an unofficial flavour, mind you, one that's made all sorts of progress in its own right that they deserve plenty of credit for...it's a great distribution. It's also Ubuntu under the hood. In fact since there's often a lag between when Mint incorporates security patches from mainstream Ubuntu, you're potentially putting yourself at greater risk of getting tagged by 0-day security vulnerabilities. If you're willing to sacrifice security for ease of use then yes, Mint is the way to go. Anyone who knows even a little about computing would be better off sticking with the mainstream Ubuntu distro, it's what Mint is based off and the security patches are cranked out at a reasonable speed.

      That's leaving out the fact entirely that Ubuntu also posts its own security advisories, as opposed to Mint, who for a few days was offering a malware-laden ISO of their Cinnamon desktop spin due to a breakin...one wonders what the server was running. If it was Mint, you'd think they'd have known better. A good desktop OS and a good server OS are two different things, always have been.

    6. Re: Nice, but... by Mortimer82 · · Score: 2

      You're clearly uninformed regarding the nature of the telemetry in .NET Core or you are deliberately spreading misinformation. The runtime is not including telemetry at all. And while the compiler includes telemetry, it is highly specific and limited to essentially whether or not certain compiler flags are used. Basically, in this case Microsoft just wants to know based on real numbers which way developers use very particular aspects of the compiler. The only conceivable use they could have for this information is to know where best to invest their effort, which is IMO a good thing for users of . NET Core. They were completely upfront about this in their announcement of .NET Core 1.0, it was part of the announcement and had equal weighting to the features they were promoting. They explained in clear layman's terms exactly what they were doing and how you can turn it off if you're paranoid. It's okay for someone to have legitimate concerns, but in this case you look like an ignorant person who is making a big fuss of something they clearly haven't taken the time to understand properly.

    7. Re: Nice, but... by Mortimer82 · · Score: 1

      That's your subjective opinion and you're entitled to it.

      My subjective opinion is that in this case it does more good than harm. No personally identifiable information (aside from IP address, which might or might not be stored) is sent to Microsoft, but the community is likely going to benefit in that Microsoft will focus on features that actually get used rather than something which lands up never getting used.

      Each to their own though, just ensure your comments are fair and informed.

    8. Re:Nice, but... by JustBoo · · Score: 2

      Therein lies the paradox of Mint users...they think they've actually abandoned Ubuntu.

      It's an unofficial flavour, mind you, one that's made all sorts of progress in its own right that they deserve plenty of credit for...it's a great distribution. It's also Ubuntu under the hood.[...]

      Did you know Debian is "under the hood" when it comes to Ubuntu? Yeah, Ubuntu is based on Debian. So all that you wrote also applies to Ubuntu as well. Just sayin'.

    9. Re:Nice, but... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Sure Ubuntu offers some simplifications, but then I have to track two distros in my head, Ubuntu and debian, and one is simpler than both

      Thus I use upstream debian and install the mate-desktop package. :)

  6. Long-term support until 2021? by wwalker · · Score: 1

    "Long-term support" only means 5 years now?! Even Windows XP had 12 year life. I guess it's on par with Windows 10, so it's ok, eh?

    1. Re:Long-term support until 2021? by jopsen · · Score: 1

      Google recently disclosed that their support (for security updates) on Nexus devices was 18 months from sale (or 3 years from release). So given that Mint is a free I would argue that 5 years is rather good :)

    2. Re:Long-term support until 2021? by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Long-term support" only means 5 years now?!

      Linux Mint's long-term support cycle is tied to that of Ubuntu's. Maybe you should be complaining upstream?

  7. Re:Those aren't APPY APPS! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    You forgot to mention he will build a wall of apps and make the LUDDITES pay for it!

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  8. But where are the BENEFITS? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1, Insightful
    OK, I went to the page that explained about all the stuff that has changed. Some apps have been substituted for different ones. Different artwork. A new daemon or two. New themes. And some different ways of doing stuff.

    But where is the list of things that I couldn't do on older releases, that I will be able to do now? What new opportunities does this release open up to me, as a user? What extra functions does this release have?

    In short, where is the compelling case to spend time and effort to install this release?

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    1. Re:But where are the BENEFITS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      +1
      I am applying the same criteria for upgrades that I applied to a Windows 7 -> Windows 10 upgrade, ultimately deciding the negatives of Windows 10 outweigh the positives.

      I am using Mint 17.2 and so far, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade.. All of the stuff that I need right now works..

    2. Re:But where are the BENEFITS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      +1
      I am applying the same criteria for upgrades that I applied to a Windows 7 -> Windows 10 upgrade, ultimately deciding the negatives of Windows 10 outweigh the positives.

      I am using Mint 17.2 and so far, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade.. All of the stuff that I need right now works..

      And, because this is Linux and not Windows, that's perfectly fine. Upgrade to 18 if and when you want to. No officially sanctioned malware from the Mint developers will infect your Mint 17.2 box and force upgrade your computer to Mint 18 when you step away for coffee. No Mint 17 updates will retroactively break things to encourage you to upgrade. Do what you want with your PC and your OS, because they are yours. That's the point of using Linux. What a revolutionary idea!

    3. Re:But where are the BENEFITS? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Actually it's a design goal that not much changes. Which is why there may be something like 300 million users of Windows XP still.
      You could upgrade from Ubuntu 7.04 to this and not get lost.
      The rest is just newer versions of software or sysadmin crap (e.g. ubuntu nappy containers)

    4. Re:But where are the BENEFITS? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      By all means feel free to wait for 18.1, 18.2, 19 etc.

    5. Re:But where are the BENEFITS? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      But where is the list of things that I couldn't do on older releases, that I will be able to do now? What new opportunities does this release open up to me, as a user? What extra functions does this release have?

      I have a usb bluetooth adapter I tried using once and it just plain doesn't work in 17.3. I got it to pair with my wireless headphones once, but it didn't actually let me play sound through them. Generally it didn't work at all. From what limited time I've spent with 18, bluetooth suddenly is usable. First time I tried I was able to connect my headphones and play sound through them, with A2DP. There might be a couple bugs with recognizing devices properly on reconnect, but it's a huge improvement.

    6. Re:But where are the BENEFITS? by JustBoo · · Score: 1

      OK, I went to the page that explained about all the stuff that has changed. Some apps have been substituted for different ones. Different artwork. A new daemon or two. New themes. And some different ways of doing stuff.

      But where is the list of things that I couldn't do on older releases, that I will be able to do now? What new opportunities does this release open up to me, as a user? What extra functions does this release have?

      In short, where is the compelling case to spend time and effort to install this release?

      You can thank Google for that. This should probably have been version 17.4. But since Google has proven "the bigger the number the better the software" we now have this. If Sergy Brin belches while near a google computer, OH MY!, that's a major revision. If they move a textbox, OH MY!, that's a major revision. If a guy in marketing sneezes, OH MY!, ...you guessed it. Narcissistic companies loaded with narcissistic programmers just know everything they do is of paramount importance so their release numbers have to reflect that.

  9. Re: Emulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Playonlinux is easier than just wine BTW. Wines a bit tricky for newbies

  10. Thank you, Clem et al. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've been happily using Mint Mate 13 (Maya) for several years. Wonderful, rock solid OS. Helps restore my sanity each day after being forced to use the putrid buggy Windows 7 at work.

    I can't wait to try the Sara version. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for all of your work.

    To all Linux developers everywhere, thank you.

    1. Re:Thank you, Clem et al. by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Hmm, been wondering what Sara Palin has to do with Linux...

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  11. Re: Those aren't APPY APPS! by Pax681 · · Score: 1

    Hey sexconker, you forgot to reply to yourself about cows..

    the cows have gone to pastures new!

  12. Re:Emulation by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

    I would try a Wine ppa.

    Holy grail for me would be to just run Windows 98 in a VM with a fully emulated GPU that has a Windows 98 driver (or XP, since that worked amazingly well with rather few exceptions in games. Or Win 7 32bit)
    But that doesn't really exist yet.
    Even when Wine works it's not always very practical to install the games or deal with cdrom images (which were useful on Windows to trick old games's CD check)

    Mint is just Ubuntu, for your purposes. What it gives you is a good 2D desktop (except for the Cinnamon one which is 3D accelerated), that eliminates a potential source of problems. You also get to use Ubuntu ppas.

  13. Ruined by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"and are working on the "X-Apps" project to "produce generic applications for traditional GTK desktop environments...to replace applications which no longer integrate properly outside of a particular environment." "

    I don't use Mint (use Mageia, Fedora, and CentOS) nor Gnome but THANK GOD for Pluma. I loved gedit and they totally RUINED it. Now if they could fix Atril to be a proper replacement for the now ruined Evince so it DOESN'T USE FREAKING JAVA, that would be super-great too!

    1. Re:Ruined by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      They have "xreader"! Although it may just be a tweaked build of atril that's slightly better when run without MATE.

    2. Re:Ruined by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"What's wrong with a desktop program being written in a general programming language?"

      1) Java is huge- really huge
      2) We don't use it for anything else, so it takes forever to load
      3) We don't use it for anything else, so it consumes tons and tons of RAM. Plus it tries to reserve tons more RAM just based on how much you have. On large systems like ours (48GB+) this takes a long time and ends up wasting tons and tons of RAM.
      4) It tries to gobble multiple CPUs on a multiuser system, especially at startup- a big no-no. During startup it can peg half a dozen cores or more FOR SEVERAL SECONDS!
      6) Java is full of bugs and security problems and I don't have time to constantly fix it
      7) It should be totally unnecessary. Evince didn't need Java. Okular doesn't use Java. Adobe reader doesn't use Java. Why should Atril? (Will Xreader??)

  14. Re:Emulation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Holy grail for me would be to just run Windows 98 in a VM with a fully emulated GPU that has a Windows 98 driver (or XP, since that worked amazingly well with rather few exceptions in games. Or Win 7 32bit)
    But that doesn't really exist yet.

    While you are correct, I have found that the QXL driver in QEMU/KVM is pretty good, and that the video driver in vmware player is actually very good. It's rare that an application doesn't work in vmware these days, and QEMU isn't awful :)

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  15. What's the difference? by dbraden · · Score: 1

    How do you find out the difference between Cinnamon and Mate? I couldn't even find it on their site, even in the About or FAQ pages. I shouldn't have to use Google to find out what your products are. Unless I totally overlooked it somewhere.

    1. Re:What's the difference? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      They're different interfaces, but they share some similarities. What you're asking is really no different than "What's the difference between Unity and the OSX Finder?" (From a functional standpoint)

    2. Re:What's the difference? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2

      Mate is like Gnome before it began to suck, Cinnamon is a Gnome 3 that doesn't suck.

    3. Re:What's the difference? by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      It's all up to your personal preference really. I've been using Cinnamon on 17.3 for about 6 months now and it's really good.

      Cinnamon seems to have a very premium feel to it.

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  16. Re:Emulation by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    Awesome thanks, seen it's a work in progress with 3D acceleration planned. (and that there are win 7 / win XP drivers). I'll wait. Even if I had to do software GPU rendering on an old tired PC to get low res at 30 fps on late 90s games that'd be awesome.
    I remember coming across it (well, SPICE) and dismissing it or not finding much info.
    The name conflict with electronics modeling software is dumb.

  17. Systemd? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    Why are you lumping systemd in with this, does the X-Apps initiative have anything to do with underlying daemons? Does systemd introduce incompatibilities at the desktop app level? If so it seems like things aren't properly abstracted...

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    1. Re:Systemd? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I believe one of the underlying reasons for adopting systemd in non-Red Hat distros was that Gnome3 added hooks to systemd for session management. (and followed by KDE, iirc)

  18. Mint is the best Linux hands down by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    Congrats Mint team. Thanks for building what everyone actually needs to get things done, and for those of us who don't like mysteries and surprises just because of a UI designer's whim.

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  19. Installing Mint 17 now in Hyper-V by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Doh!

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    1. Re:Installing Mint 17 now in Hyper-V by slickwillie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I just installed 17.3 on two "new" computers, then 18 comes out. But I like XFCE and so far it hasn't been released.

  20. Re:What's wrong with SystemD by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Seriously I and I am sure many others are sick of the whining here.

    I am not a troll but I am asking a serious question. What can Init do that SystemD can't? Explain?

    Servers and my Vm's use SystemD just fine without issue. I watched youtube videos and SystemD can do everything init can and can write logs in txt, is editable, and from the looks of it an improvement over init as it is event driven without long scripts.

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  21. Wow by gexacor · · Score: 1

    Thank you, I'll run to the download page right now LTS Mint is what I'll need in a few days literally!