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VPN Provider Removes Russian Presence After Servers Seized (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Stack: VPN provider Private Internet Access has pulled out of Russia in the wake of new internet surveillance legislation in the country. The company claims that some of its Russian servers were seized by the government as punishment for not complying with the rules, which ask providers to log and hold all Russian internet traffic and session data for up to a year. Upon learning of the federal action, the company immediately removed its Russian availability and announced that it would no longer be operating in the region. "We believe that due to the enforcement regime surrounding this new law, some of our Russian Servers (RU) were recently seized by Russian Authorities, without notice or any type of due process," wrote Private Internet Access in a blog post. The company advises users to update their desktop clients. They also noted that its manual configurations now support the "strongest new encryption algorithms including AES-256, SHA-256, and RSA-4096." Putin has given Federal Security Agents two weeks to produce "encryption keys" for the internet.

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  1. When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Do as the Romans. You need to follow the laws of the country you are in, otherwise, there are consequences.

    1. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Obey every law without question. Civil disobedience is violence. Do not test us.

    2. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obey every law without question. Civil disobedience is violence. Do not test us.

      You go on and try that in Putin's Russia. Let me know how it works out for you, K?

    3. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are we honestly going to pretend that an American VPN provider is secure and does not do exactly what they're told by American authorities?

    4. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do as the Romans. You need to follow the laws of the country you are in, otherwise, there are consequences.

      I wish I could hope for Russia cut itself away from the rest of the society that apparently wants to destroy it. But that would be too much to ask. You pieces of shit apparently need to take a vacation somewhere other than a shit hole of a country that you have created.

    5. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Russia is quite capable of destroying itself without any outside help. Any problem, large or small, is always blamed on the US. If the economy tanks in the US how many US citizens blame Russia? It's a good strategy on Russia's part because they know it's gives them a pass on anything they do. Russia invades a sovereign country and all you hear is that the US does it and that's the end of the debate. Russia blows up a few hospitals in Syria and all you hear is that the US does it and that's the end of the debate. Russia routinely invades other countries airspace and all you hear is that the US does it and that's the end of the debate. Russia provides anti-aircraft weapons and they get used to blow up a civilian jet and all you hear is that the US does it and that's the end of the debate. Russia passes a law requiring back doors to any encrypted devices and data traffic and all you hear is that the US does it and that's the end of the debate. Except in this case there is no such law in the US but that doesn't matter because after all the other accusations and false equivalencies the slow witted have already been indoctrinated to the Russian party line. There are only two countries in the world that are responsible for every wrong in the world and that is the US and Israel. Everyone else gets a free pass.

    6. Re: When in Rome by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obey every law without question.

      When you are a COMPANY yes. A company doesn't have a right to civil disobedience. A company may challenge the law in courts it cannot and SHOULD NOT choose which laws to follow.

    7. Re: When in Rome by mnemotronic · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Russia is a gas station. Want to see them implode? Stop buying their product.

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    8. Re: When in Rome by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      A company doesn't have a right to civil disobedience.

      [citation needed]

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    9. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The society that apparently wants to destroy Russia is the Russian government.

    10. Re: When in Rome by Aereus · · Score: 2

      They don't agree with the law so they stopped doing business there. Where is the problem with that? The nature of their business demands not operating there while a theoretical petition is filed.

    11. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A company is a person.

      In America.

      Thanks to a spelling checker changing the law.

    12. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > A company doesn't have a right to civil disobedience ...unless it's tax laws.

    13. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't agree with the law so they stopped doing business there. Where is the problem with that? The nature of their business demands not operating there while a theoretical petition is filed.

      nothing wrong wqith that at all, and that is exactly the sort of option they should take. The OP though seems to imply obeying the law is somehow wrong. A companies options are precisely, follow the law, don't do business, there is no inbetween for a company, they may challenge the law while following but they have no right to ignore it.

    14. Re: When in Rome by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      various definitions, but they all revolve around the right of an individual or group of individuals or a citizen.
      http://legal-dictionary.thefre...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      "Civil disobedience is usually defined as pertaining to a citizen's relation to the state and its laws, as distinguished from a constitutional impasse in which two public agencies, especially two equally sovereign branches of government, conflict. For instance, if the head of government of a country were to refuse to enforce a decision of that country's highest court, it would not be civil disobedience, since the head of government would be acting in her or his capacity as public official rather than private citizen"

    15. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Generally, you are right. For a very extended meaning of "laws". In Russia, it means bribing administrative clerks, doing favor to "politicians" and always being ready to surrender your business to someone with power. Doing business in Russia means being forced to break both Russian written laws and your domestic laws (if you are foreigner and your domestic laws apply, and for US or EU citizens a lot of them DO apply).

      So when you cannot comply, you close.

    16. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, if you are the MPAA, just buy off the legislatures.

    17. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      With the prices of oil imploding it doesn't matter whether anyone buys their oil or not. Add in Russia's inefficiency and legendary graft and it is costing more for them to pull oil out of the ground then they can sell it for. If Russia loses it's monopoly on natural gas exports to Europe they will be doubly screwed. If Russia isn't careful they will end up being a Chinese client state. Hell the state of California has a higher GDP than Russia.

    18. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that Civil Disobedience is not some Get Out Of Jail Free card, right? If you are partaking in Civil Disobedience, you are still breaking the law and can still be arrested.

      So yes, even a company can partake in Civil Disobedience. Now whether or not they should, that is a different question.

    19. Re:When in Rome by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      "log all traffic" Do you think any site that gets more than a few dozen hits is going to be able to do that?

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    20. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an account PIA, and I fully support and respect them dropping Russia. I would expect no less.

    21. Re: When in Rome by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Of course you are aware that legally a corporation is a person?

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    22. Re:When in Rome by unencode200x · · Score: 1

      I believe they're London-based. Same concern applies, perhaps more so in the UK.

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  2. Why? by HagbardCeline6909 · · Score: 1

    Why would you need to ever VPN into a server in Russia anyhow?

    1. Re:Why? by Archfeld · · Score: 2

      Your employer requires it. Some semi responsible employers require a gesture towards security even if they won't spend any real money on it.

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    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      VPNs are useful things. Perhaps you are a multinational company and want to coordinate with other parts of your company. There is almost certainly some kind of VPN protecting that traffic.

      Also, perhaps you are in a country where all internet access is monitored for anti government behavior, well a VPN to a country that doesn't have that is a very useful thing. Hell, you could use a VPN just to access your home network and control that web based camera that you just don't want to put directly on the internet.

    3. Re:Why? by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because Archfield and the Anonymous Coward missed the point, I submit the following rephrasing...

      Why would a person/company who is using a commercial VPN service actually want their internet traffic to originate from Russia?

      An employer requiring a VPN to the home office? Makes perfect sense, and happens every day. An employer requiring their remote-working employees who are probably working from home (e.g. likely within 50 miles and 10 hops of that office) to connect via Sonicwall NetXtender or Cisco VPN to their front-facing router? Absolutely. However, what possible security could be accomplished by having remote employees use a commercial VPN service to encapsulate traffic making a 50(ish) mile trip or less by making it traverse through Russia before getting to the home office?

      A multinational company having a site-to-site VPN also makes plenty of sense. Even if it's to their office in Russia, it still makes sense, but it's not what Hagbard was referring to, because in that context its from their company, to their company. The question implicitly doesn't apply. If you're in China or Iran and VPNing due to government oppression, doesn't it make a lot more sense to send your traffic through the US or UK or Japan or some other country with less draconian oversight of internet traffic? Actually, that proves the point of the article - the company pulled out of Russia because Russia was implementing that very level of oppression for which a VPN would be needed. Finally, latency alone would be reason enough not to VPN through Russia for remote viewing of a security camera.

      Nobody is asking whether VPNs are useful. The question being asked is whether there's any utility for the endpoint to be in a country that is beginning to require a year's retention on connectivity logs.

    4. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it is

    5. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain why

    6. Re:Why? by EzInKy · · Score: 0

      If you're in China or Iran and VPNing due to government oppression, doesn't it make a lot more sense to send your traffic through the US or UK or Japan or some other country with less draconian oversight of internet traffic?

      Not sure about Japan, but the US and the UK are hardly exemplars of internet freedom.

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    7. Re:Why? by Archfeld · · Score: 2

      Citation ? The US is arguing loudly about who can and does snoop and when it is OK, while most other countries are just doing it quietly in the background. Nearly every country in the EU has been implicated in cooperating with the US, UK, Germany, Australia and France amongst the foremost contributors. The reason it is such a newsworthy item in the US is the fact that the ISP's are privately owned and complain about the government wanting records, while in many countries the ISP's are state sponsored or owned and are already directly connected to the government network.

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    8. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nobody is asking whether VPNs are useful. The question being asked is whether there's any utility for the endpoint to be in a country that is beginning to require a year's retention on connectivity logs.

      If the logs just contained the endpoint and traffic past that point, then it wouldn't hurt much, but obviously if they undo the point of the VPN they are less useful. Still, just for fun here is a few valid uses, if obscure ones. (Certainly your correct that ideally you want to avoid Russian VPNs in most cases.)

      1) If all countries required logs, then someone having a valid need for privacy, or simply wanting it, could, in theory hop through several VPNs, thus requiring a lot more work to get at the real source. Of course, it is likely not too hard to identify that kind of thing and ban it. Realistically though, I hope we never reach this point. Certainly there is no need to do so now, afaik.

      2) An outside observer could use the VPN to study the differences between what is available inside the new russian firewall and what is available outside.

      3) Does russia have a netflix?

      4) Various organisations may want some IPs inside russia to make it easier to attack russian organisations. (Okay that is not a good reason, and easily IP banned anyway..)

      5) Just because russia wants it all logged, doesn't mean they actually care about all of it. While far from ideal, it may be better than say having the traffic originate in one's native country if one's native country is actively trying to ruthlessly crush everyone wanting a democratic government. Of course, one would want to use a non crippled VPN provider if you could, but doing so might draw a different kind of attention. The VPN traffic may be encrypted, but that your talking to a VPN certainly is not.

    9. Re:Why? by Archfeld · · Score: 2

      I see your point now, and I have to agree. Point to point VPN for work is a requirement but if I was looking for an environment to VPN my private traffic, Russia would not be my choice either.
      Not to be pedantic my nick is archFELD no field involved. Thanks for the correction/information in any case.

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    10. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find it a great jump point for many other regions of Europe, my own country (Australia) has insane intrusive internet monitoring laws and I would much prefer a country like Russia sees what I am accessing as they are far less likely to do something about it whereas western world is very much all joined human centipede style.

    11. Re:Why? by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Russia is one of the countries I regularly choose to send my traffic through. Good internet infrastructure and bandwidth with fast connectivity to much of europe. Absolutely ZERO legal agreements between countries like US, UK etc so far less chance of them sharing your browsing habids with others and those that they would share it with would not give a shit about me.

    12. Re:Why? by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You provided the citation. Any body that argues over "Freedom Of Speech" is looking to restrict "Freedom Of Speech".

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    13. Re:Why? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There are lots of people who think The Man is out to get them. Sometimes they are right - political activists and outright criminals. Sometimes they are just paranoids who think Obama is plotting to take their guns so the UN can invade and force their children to be gay. Either way, they don't really care where their traffic seems to come from, so long as it can't be traced back to them.

    14. Re:Why? by ruir · · Score: 3, Informative

      In that point I agree with bloodhawk. Russia and even China products have the inherent advantage of not collaborating with our governments.

    15. Re:Why? by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 2

      Because it's cheaper to buy a game on Steam if Steam thinks you're in Russia (really).

    16. Re:Why? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      exactly, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. In this case the enemy is the intrusive privacy invasion our governments wish to impose on us. I have nothing interesting for them to monitor, I am not a criminal, not a terrorist, I don't browse kiddie porn and I really am not concerned with pirating shit. But I completely and totally object to them monitoring me to verify this, if they want to do that then get a court order with a valid reason and I will happy give them access to verify they are wrong, until then they can fuck off and I will happily let places like Russia monitor me as they won't share with my government and at least I can feel that they are doing it with my permission.

    17. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to say it, but both Russia and China DO collaborate actively with other governments on a daily basis, when it comes to ordinary surveillance. The practice gives them a lot of benefits. Given the rise of privacy invasions in the west, many think that it could not be worse at the other side.

      It IS.

    18. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no clue. They begrudgingly pass on "some" information, usually under particular scenarios, Russia especially and also china do not openly share their information. Besides how can it possibly be worse, current government actively and openly monitor everything, they can't be monitoring more than everything.

    19. Re:Why? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

      Russia is one of the countries I regularly choose to send my traffic through. Good internet infrastructure and bandwidth with fast connectivity to much of europe. Absolutely ZERO legal agreements between countries like US, UK etc so far less chance of them sharing your browsing habids with others and those that they would share it with would not give a shit about me.

      This. A person I know has sometimes used his Bit Torrent client through a VPN going through Russia for the same reasons.

    20. Re:Why? by temcat · · Score: 1

      To listen to Yandex.Music for free.

    21. Re:Why? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Also, Russia has cheaper games, but they can only be activated from IP addresses in Russia. Some people use a VPN to bypass region lock-outs on cheaper products.

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    22. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that AC just realizes the futility in arguing with your dumb ass.

    23. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because reasons.

  3. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's ok, they choke connection 85% of the time that 14,4 dial up would be faster.

  4. Russia needs to look aware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are stopping absolutely nothing by doing this, it is merely for show. If you wanted to connect to Russia it is nothing different you just use a different gateway. Zero change. Nada. This story just pleads the case that the American Government are not the only power-hungry spy agencies. The difference is myriad between USA and Russia however. America is bankrupt and has to expand as an Empire or fall as an Empire. The CIA are responsible for this, as well as the President and the vast majority of Congress. The other 3 letter agencies as well as many technology corporations are involved. Even the media and Israel are connected "for their own self-serving purposes".

    Literally nothing is changed by closing PrivateInternetAccess's VPN gateways in Russia. Nothing.

    So much exposure of the corruption of USA / CIA / Google / Microsoft / Facebook / Markmonitor lately, people are waking up.

    1. Re: Russia needs to look aware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is absolutely the truth.

    2. Re: Russia needs to look aware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, it is not the lie but the truth, no.

    3. Re: Russia needs to look aware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP is correct. It makes no difference. They issued new certs that's it. Big deal. Nothing is more or less accessible than before. It was just a show of control.

  5. putin making demands by wierd_w · · Score: 0

    the real story here is putin's absurd demand or all of the internet's encryption keys.

    That is absurd to twilightzone levels.

    Oh darn Putin, I guess you will mad that I didnt give you my exclusive access (only given in person to close friends) 4096bit public key. I mean, it is clearly evil of me to deny plotsylvania access to my correspondence concerning internet cat pics and jokes. A real loss to your nation's intelligence agency, i am sure.

    no, I wont give you a copy. Not even if you ask nicely.

    1. Re:putin making demands by bloodhawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you mean the same demands that US/UK/AU governments etc are making? They aren't the first to push for this, nor will they be the last.

    2. Re:putin making demands by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      dandy donald wont get his fat fingers on my key either. even if he asks really nice.

    3. Re:putin making demands by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      Really? Show me one article about, or even better yet -- an official letter sent to a company executive, from the US government asking for encryption keys that will allow decryption of any data the company handles.

      I won't hold my breath while I wait, but I certainly hope you do while you're looking.

    4. Re:putin making demands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://shadowproof.com/2016/0...
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/as-encryption-spreads-us-worries-about-access-to-data-for-investigations/2015/04/10/7c1c7518-d401-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html
      have you been in a coma the last decade?

    5. Re:putin making demands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 seconds of google would have found you hundreds of hits, ranging from the demands made of Apple, to the access demands made of MS and google which have all been all over the press. You think those are all just comspiracy theories trying to tarnish the US governments pristine rep do you. http://www.businessinsider.com...

    6. Re:putin making demands by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Reality is they had no choice but to pull out. Basically what will happen is selected foreign companies, suspect companies (suspected of passing info to the North American Territorial Occupation farce) will be targeted for the most onerous requirements and they will be forced to operate at a loss or shut down and pull out from Russia (also not to forget, foreign companies competing against insider Russian companies). So the laws are purposefully tough and have been purposefully written so as to be legally selectively applied, not all companies have to adhere with the laws, unless they have been instructed by Russian regulatory authorities to do so. If they refuse once they have been directed to do so, wham, bye, bye servers, and then of course bye, bye, Russia as they are forced to leave or go bankrupt trying to stay or operate at a lost funded by a foreign government and be extremely suspect. Want to blame anyone blame the NSA because that is who they are kicking out and any suspect foreign corporations they can be in the slightest way, associated with them. Much like patent trolls, they will start with small companies and with precedence set, work their way up to larger companies. In light of the NSA's criminal foreign activities, a sound response. More countries will follow suit, seeking similar selective laws, to shut down foreign internet companies. The US government was really dumb waffling on about fighting a cyberwar on the internet. This is the direct result of that stupidity and it will get worse.

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    7. Re: putin making demands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahahaha you troll! That's like saying "Show me one murder victim that tells you he was murdered". They won't because they are dead. Ever heard of a NDL? No one publishes those letters because they would be destroyed. Edward Snowdon tried to blow the whistle and look how lovingly the USA treats him. God you are such a chump.

    8. Re:putin making demands by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      God. Just hand him some random key string, and when he complains that it doesn't work say "you're doing it wrong."

  6. Anonymous in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When it comes to Russia, we all prefer to remain anonymous.

    1. Re:Anonymous in Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The actual "Anonymous" is the state of Israel. They are the hackers/stuxnet gypsies.

  7. This makes it official by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    IOT now stands for Internet Of Thugs.

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  8. Vlad, the Internet Impaler by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    Vlad, the Internet Impaler - this was my original comment on the Putin Gives Federal Security Agents Two Weeks To Produce 'Encryption Keys' For The Internet story. I got 'flamebait' moderation on that one :)

    I want to see how deep does the rabbit hole go...

    Putin and his very small hands... He wants 'the Internet encryption keys' in his small hands.

    OK, so that is funny. But consider that in the last year Putin increased the police force by a large number in Russia and he signed a law that would require the country to build him his own 'national guard', everybody sees it the same way: he is scared of a coup and he wants his own army around him at all times. Him and his small hands, he is scared to be overthrown and as a KGB operative he knows that he can be overthrown and he decides he needs a couple hundred thousand body guards.

    This move against encryption of all sorts is based on the same fear. He is scared of everything, scared he will not find out about a gathering of people somewhere and won't jail them in time before they make it to any news that still exists (and journalism is the most dangerous activity in that country, journalists murdered and beaten by the government). He is afraid to end up in the same way Quadaffi and Hussein ended up in. He should be scared, people are very tired of him. The majority of people in Russia wouldn't move a finger to get ridbof him, but it doesn't take a majority, only a few determined people and that is what he is afraid of most.

    Needless to say there are other business interests that are government owned and that would love to have access to all communications that would prevent any competition against them.

    Also FSB has their google like search servers installed at every ISP and every communications company in Russia, searching for stuff and recording what matches specific parameters, but the new law also imposes an obligation to all communications companoes to record all traffic and all communications for a minimum of 6 months.

    The companies are saying this will cost them billions and will cause rate hikes, the government officials are replying that is nonsense, it will cost nothing and any rate hike because of it would be a money grab. Right, because it costs nothing to record 6 months of internet traffic.

    As to this requirement to the FSB to get all of the encryption keys, I wonder who Putin wants to fire 2 weeks from now, because it sounds like an old Russian fairy tale of a tsar telling his servant to go some place that cannot ne found and to get him something that does not exist and if he fails to deliver his head is coming off...

  9. I can understand removing the servers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remove their personnel also, for their own safety. But couldn't they still offer a VPN client that connects to a server outside the country with a "dynamic" IP of sorts to keep it from from being blocked by the ISP? Shouldn't we be helping the Russians/Chinese/Iranians/Brits/Americans circumvent surveillance and censorship by any and all means possible? We need some good news, and we just aren't getting any yet.

    1. Re:I can understand removing the servers. by Voyager529 · · Score: 3, Informative

      But couldn't they still offer a VPN client that connects to a server outside the country with a "dynamic" IP of sorts to keep it from from being blocked by the ISP? [snip] We need some good news, and we just aren't getting any yet.

      They do. That is the good news. Here's the summary...

      Private Internet Access owns about 3,000 servers in 34 countries. You pay $7/month, and you set up a PPTP/IPSEC/OpenVPN client with the credentials they specify. When you log into your account on their website, you can pick which country you want your data to be originating from, and that is your endpoint. If they have a server in France, then your traffic is VPN'd from your computer to their servers in France. If you connect to their VPN and then head over to IPChicken, you'll see a French IP address from the block of IPs they own from that region. If tomorrow you want your traffic to come from Kansas, you pick your server there, and your IPChicken will reflect that IP instead. Meanwhile, those IPs are used by dozens of other users, so it's neigh impossible to tell exactly which user was responsible for a given piece of traffic...unless you explicitly configure those server to log which users were logged in and sent what traffic where, which is what Russia is looking for.

  10. Re: When in London by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The same mass surveillance laws are being rolled out in the UK too. Theresa May's snoopers charter, (our new unelected Prime Minister).

    There's zero difference between what Putin is doing spying on everyone, and what Theresa is doing spying on everyone.

    Putin has his elite group, protected from it, Theresa has MPs, in an elite group not subject to the surveillance, except they are really. If ever they flagged which IPs are MPs IP, GCHQ and NSA will be watching those addresses particularly closely.

    All leaders 'elected' in fake or dubious circumstances are doing exactly the same thing.

  11. You make no sense by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    So discussion of an issue is equal to opposition of an issue ? Quit trying to cryptic and cool and deal with reality. Any society that purports to be free MUST have room for argument, debate, and a wide variety of ideas of what is correct and what isn't. But you appear to only see black and white, your way or nothing. All I did was express an opinion, which you declared as wrong and proved yourself as a narrow minded fool.

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  12. Certificates by Chewbacon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They also yanked all certificates (or will soon). Customers will have to download the new ones if they use OpenVPN or something of the like.

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    1. Re:Certificates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said so in the e-mail, but the openVPN certs on the site are still the same.

  13. Sad American Apologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia's new law is draconian, authoritarian, and invasive.

    It is also right up front, in your face, brutally honest.

    Rather different from the Americansky approach, which consists of disinformation, subterfuge, and barely hidden illegality.

    How are those never-denied secret NSL's working out for you?

    1. Re:Sad American Apologists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think that russians have not being doing it at all before this law?

  14. Soviet Russia by worldtech-a3x · · Score: 0

    seized by Russian Authorities, without notice or any type of due process

    In Soviet Russia, due process does not apply to YOU.

  15. Re: When in London by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about Australia?

    We got our data retention laws last year (2015).

  16. Ah by fubarrr · · Score: 0

    Boobietrap your servers with explosives, have commies loose few limbs

  17. Rule of thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When doing private things use multiple VPNs. Using Russian VPNs is still perfectly good if you want to hide stuff from the USA. The trick is to use multiple VPNs located in a different countries that arnt friendly with each other.

    1. Re:Rule of thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really want private, grab tails 1.4.1 from kat.cr and run it over your vpn. Sorry, can't spill all the tricks :)

  18. So... by armand.winter · · Score: 1

    What does Edward Snowden have to say about this?