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Donald Trump To Announce Mike Pence As Vice-Presidential Running Mate (theguardian.com)
Donald Trump has selected Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his vice-presidential running mate. A senior GOP official, cited by many media outlets today (including the WSJ), confirmed the news, adding that the announcement will be made Friday. The Guardian reports: Pence brings several qualities to the Trump campaign that Republicans have found lacking, not least of which experience in government. The 57-year-old spent 12 years in Congress, including two years in a leadership role with the House Republican Conference. He was elected governor of Indiana in 2012, and gained a degree of national notoriety that's to a controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which he signed into law and then wanted revised, after many argued it would allow discrimination against LGBT people. A Trump-Pence ticket could send a message to Republican dissenters who feel they cannot support a candidate who has proven inconsistent on guns, abortion, LGBT rights and other social conservative issues. Just before the Indiana primary election, the staunchly conservative governor endorsed Ted Cruz, Trump's leading opponent and a far-right senator from Texas.An anonymous reader shared a BuzzFeed article on Pence today. The article digs into some of the opinion pieces Pence has penned over the years. In one such article, Pence wrote that "smoking doesn't kill." "Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill," he wrote. In another piece, he argues that Carbon Dioxide "can't be the cause of increased global temperatures" because it is "a naturally occurring phenomenon in nature..." not an unnatural one.
Editors, do you do anything???
Reaction from conservatives and Republicans on this will be little to zero excitement.
Pence shriveled up in the face of the challenges in his state when the religious freedom act came under assault, and he really bears no marks of being a person who could be sold as a moderating influence to Trump.
However, I suspect that Trump has left himself with few friends and fewer qualified choices, so this is what the Trumpsters get. Mike the Generic Guy.
Here's what Mike Pence said word for word in his so-called "denialist" and "anti-science" article:
And he was right.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
The republicans in Indiana will be celebrating. Pence was going to lose the governorship there if he ran again. So now they can get a new face and possibly retain the governor's mansion.
So, until now at least, it seems to be only a rumour and I wouldn't put past one planted by his campaign to generate buzz to his announcement tomorrow.
I went to the usual sources, and it turns out his ancestry is Irish Catholic, not Native American. (Source: "What You Didn't Know About Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana" by Danielle Burton in U.S. News )
I just googled Mike Pence's legislative history and he is bloody awful!
Totally against abortion, "[2011] remove the mandate on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee to focus on maximum employment", against same-sex marriage, does not want gays and similar to have equal rights, remove restrictions on campaign contributions, reduce taxes on the rich...
He is no friend of the people .
He is a Republican that hates homosexuals. That might make him our first homosexual VP, since most of those types of Republicans are "in the closet" types.
Pence is just as nuts as Trump which is good... for Trump. If Trump picked a good VP and somehow got elected, someone might try to assassinate him just to get the VP in place. Way to double down on the insanity! ;)
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In my opinion, Trump will succeed not because of his political prowess, but because of who he resonates with.
People are tired of the elite ruling, making decisions based on cronyism and who lines their pockets. Trump isn't afraid to call them out.
The elite don't seem to understand that the non-elite vastly outnumber them, and are tired of their voices no being heard or making a difference.
Will Trump being president be a disaster, probably.. but at least it would shake things up and make the elite take notice how easily they can be replaced by the unsatisfied masses when the option presents itself.
Turing should have been tried as a war criminal for violating the privacy of U-Boat crews. #revisionism
I get the joke you're going for here, but considering what happened to Turing, it's pretty fucking tone deaf.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
I think this is an excellent choice, and sure to help Trumps candidacy but on an unrelated note i hope the Trump team can lend a little insight into a common american problem:
you see, ive spent 2 years polishing a giant turd in my backyard, but i cant seem to figure out how to get it to shine. I put it next to a pretty woman, no deal. I set it next to an ugly stack of papers about Benghazi, but that didnt work either. I even took my turd and used it to smear other turds to make them seem less shiny than my turd...but im not entirely clear that did anything since nobody seems to like any of the turds.
Good people go to bed earlier.
The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.
*Takes deep breath free of cigarette smoke*. I'm going with back handed big government since I'm not being killed by someone replacing my breathable oxygen with carcinogenic smog against my consent.
it might soon be legal to smoke marijuana but not tobacco.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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there is plenty of evidence to support it. And if it is harmful to me then I have a right to live and you dont have a right to smoke around me. You can smoke anywhere you want, just not around me.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer. This is not to say that smoking is good for you.... news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit. The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.
Smoking doesn't kill... except for those one out of every three smokers who die from a smoking related illness. Then he tries to say that the relevant part of a conversation about smoking is really about second hand smoking... On the whole, it's just a bunch of nonsense.
If you take just the part about "smoking doesn't kill" it does make him sound worse than he deserves, but similarly the bit that you quote makes him sound better than he deserves. Mostly he's just spewing gibberish here.
There's decades worth of evidence of the harm of second hand smoke. It isn't 1950 any more, Big Tobacco's "research" has long ago been debunked, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a government taking steps to protect people from harmful substances. Your right to smoke ends at my fucking lungs.
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Then Trump's perfect running mate. Between the two of them, they can create a cloud of incoherence so thick that no one will be able to tell what the hell they're talking about.
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Usually propylene glycol, if you've got the good stuff. Frequently acetylamides that break down into diacetylamides, which causes popcorn lung over long-term, extreme exposure. Aldehydes can also form into formaldehyde if you gunk up the mechanism and cause localized hot spots.
The stuff dissolves in air to a less-than-toxic (LC0) dose, and is known-harmless. The ingredients are often published, and almost always well-known. The amount of douchebaggery is readily measurable by how big and gaudy the vaping rod is, ranging from a discrete cigarette-like device to a fat, ornate miniature hookah; you can pick out the inverse by identifying who is smoking motherfucking dragons, since they're usually well-balanced individuals with improved judgment over the baseline population.
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the NIH, CDC, Cancer.gov, American Cancer Association, Surgeon General, International Agency for Research on Cancer, American Lung Association, American Medical Association, just to name a few, would disagree with that statement. But I know, biased sources with agendas.
This means that Pence won't be running for governor of Indiana. Which means he's going to be out of office entirely come 2017.
I keep coming back to the time when Obama flip-flopped on telecom immunity during the run-up to the 2008 election.
People kept pointing out that this one act caused the telecoms to donate more money to him, which got him elected. Given the closeness of the 2008 election, it's plausible that if Obama *hadn't* done this that he would not have become president.
People also pointed out that: "it was necessary to get elected - he can't implement hope and change unless he wins".
It was a rationalization based on "the ends justify the means".
I shudder to think that Pence was chosen simply for this reason - an expedient choice to increase the odds of Trump being elected, and not for his opinions, competence, or experience.
My soul is fading, I am become like the Democrats.
Never mind whether it's even harmful or not. It's arrogant and rude to force other people to breath your fumes, whether they come from your cigarette or -- uh, elsewhere.
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I have read stories about thousands of people who win the lottery and I would not call them elite either. "Elite" is a set of people holding lots of power. Money is just one form of power, but there are many more forms of power. Elites also use that power to scratch each others backs. It's a "click", or a "club". Hillary is a member of the club, Sanders was not. Pence is not, Paul is not, and I think you will see the point and be able to spot the trend.
Trump is interesting though, because he was a card carrying member of that club for a long time. I still like the conspiracy theory that he is on the R ballot and winning only to ensure Hillary gets elected. He is known to be a brilliant showman, and in this case it would have to be a brilliant performance. Give away the punchline and I can see members of the club losing their heads in the square.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
That selective quote is just as bad as the bias you claim to be against.
He wrote "Time for a reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness"
So 1 in 3 does die from a smoking related illess Mr Pence? And you are going to use THAT statistic as support for "smoking doesn't kill". When it kills 1/3rd of smokers? How many smokers exactly Mike, does it need to kill before you consider it "something that kills"?
But wait, theres more he goes on, "and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer."
So 1 in 10 do get lung cancer? That's a full 10%. Again, Mike Pence, what percentage would it need to be before you recognize that as too much lung cancer? Remember, these aren't MY stats, Mike Pence, these are the onese in your own argument.
And THEN he says... "This is not to say that smoking is good for you.... news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit."
Ah Mike Pence, the voice of reason at last. An activity where 10% get lung cancer, and it's responsible for a full third of their deaths -- you'll concede that "it's not good for you". Hey Mike, having a heart attack has a 2 in 3 survival rate too. I guess you'd agree with the statement that "Heart attacks don't kill" and "They just aren't good for you".
And then you continue on... with: "The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric."
1 in 3 killed by smoking... right Mike Pence? That's what you are telling me. I think I'm going to go with smoking being pretty harmful to the nation.
And he was right.
Was he? I'm not going to say I support "back handed government disguised in do gooder healtcare rehetoric"; but I'm pretty sure he's pretty much dead wrong when he says "reality check, smoking doesn't kill". I think he needs a reality check.
This is an absolute fabrication. You are a liar and a bad one at that.
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/dat...
There are 10 scientific paper linked at the bottom of that CDC page that affirmatively show a statistically significant connection between secondhand smoke and the conditions and problems listed. The smokers lungs only filter about 10% of the pollutants contained in the tobacco smoke, the rest remain in the second hand smoke and will be absorbed partially by the next person that inhales the smoke.
>For all his faults, Newt accepts climate change and calls for "green conservativism",
Which makes him totally unacceptable to Republican voters. They don't care about the hypocrisy, or extremism, but they do care if someone threatens their collapsing delusional worldview.
The wacky things Republicans say and do make a lot more sense if you view them as a failed subculture, desperately trying to hold off the collapse of their propaganda and superstition based worldview for as long as possible. Choosing religion and pandering hoax-media over evidence is a dead-end, and on some level they know it.
Yeah I am sure you hate Obama because of his "flip-flop on telecom immunity". You guys are so transparent. You hate Obama because of "flip flopping" but Bush was great, right?
Actually, I hate Bush more.
Taking the country to war under false pretences, torturing prisoners... that's a lot of sin to wash away.
Obama caved to the establishment and is generally ineffective, but he hasn't done anything that rises to that level of evil.
I'm an independent thinker, not a party hack.
Turing was an idiot savant, apparently. Imagine walking into the IRS for an audit and confessing to having hidden tons of income 20 years ago (where they are forbidden to look, and wouldn't find out anyway)? Well, that was along the lines of what he did. He basically volunteered himself for punishment.
Under the circumstances, I don't feel that the target selection was all that bad. He *was* the person most responsible for Bletchley Park's successes during the war. People get into a froth without knowing the whole story on Turing. Sure, the law was shitty back then, but the law was shitty in every other time, too, in some respect.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Bullshit. CDC link:
Health Effects in Adults
From the American Cancer Society
But go ahead, claim all their science is junk and you're smarter than the experts. That seems to be a symptom of people who can't admit facts.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
The funny thing is that Conservatives don't even really oppose big government, they just want it to be a big, harmful, theocratic government. It's government that helps people that they object to. They're fine with treating The Handmaid's Tale as an instruction manual.
I don't much care if a president is having orgies and playing online as a cam girl, so long as she has good policies. It's kind of like drug testing: weed isn't my thing and we don't smoke up at work, but I'd hire a guy who smokes weed in a place where smoking weed is legal, so long as I have reason not to project any performance issues. If he has a good work history, seems well-adjusted, and interviews well, I have reason to believe his personal life isn't my business; and let's be honest: you can put in all the screens and filters and 6-day interview processes you want and still hire a crap candidate--or worse, you can get me.
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If you take just the part about "smoking doesn't kill" it does make him sound worse than he deserves
Not at all. Telling people something doesn't kill you because it only kills 33% of the people who use it is completely illogical. Putting it in context does not make it any less insane.
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As soon as you start frigging around with tenses, pronouns, voices or any other form of paraphrasing, even a tiny bit, it ceases to be a direct quote and should NOT be marked as one. This is Journalism 101.
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He's really into family values. He values families so much that he's had several of them.
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Nah, they want a small government. Just small enough to fit inside your reproductive organs to make sure you're not doing anything EEEEEVIL.
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
Actually, I think he did.
I suspect that Gingrich doesn't think Trump has any chance of winning. However, he and Trump both know that former republican candidates for both P and VP make crazy-large amounts of money on the conservative talk circuit. Republicans seem to pay very large amounts of money to listen to failed candidates speak. Democrats do too, but it seems to be less-crazy amounts and fewer venues, and the people usually have more credentials than "failed to become president".
(I personally think that that was the only reason Trump ran, and that he as surprised as everyone else that he's in this spot.)
if it's just substituting marijuana for tobacco in all the same places and contexts, then yeah it is a bad thing, as bad as the current status quo, which is already inexcusable.
marijuana and tobacco should both be legal in and ONLY IN contexts where OTHER PEOPLE aren't FORCED to take your fucking drugs with you. so away from public places, contained on private property, with consent of the property owner, but even then only where you don't have dependents like children or employees who can't just leave your space. if that means that only childless homeowners can smoke, and only in their own homes, then tough shit.
if keep it out of my fucking air then i don't fucking care, but KEEP IT OUT OF MY FUCKING AIR, and deal with whatever the fuck you have to deal with to accomplish hat.
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Indeed. The Republican Party Platform, as of now, wants government to:
* Regulate the porn industry and control what you're allowed to see.
* Regulate who you can marry.
* Regulate what operations your doctor can do on you (especially if you are a woman).
* Regulate what bathroom you can use.
* Spend more and more on the military.
* Pay for it all by cutting taxes, mostly on the wealthy.
Not what I would call small government.
But they want to be sure that fewer people have health care, so they have that going for them, which is nice.
As a native of Indiana, and as a longstanding resident, I couldn't be more pleased with Trumps decision.
Anything that gets him out of this State is good news, indeed!
[x] Can not see Russia from his porch.
[x] Does not own a pig or lipstick.
[x] Able to name all of his children from memory.
[x] Is aware that the Founding Fathers did not know the Pledge of Allegiance.
[x] Has no unmarried, pregnant daughters promoting abstinence.
[ ] Understands that smoking tobacco kills.
[ ] Knows that Carbon Dioxide is the cause of Global Warming.
[ ] The movie Titanic is not a metaphor for the USA today.
[ ] Realizes George Washington was not a Republican.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
...and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a government taking steps to protect people from harmful substances.
Agreed, for the sake of argument. Now you have to stop operating any petroleum consuming devices in my vicinity. Cars, motor boats, lawnmowers, etc., all have to go. Don't even THINK about running anything on diesel! Also, no more dryer sheets, colognes, or perfumes. Keep your toxic, allergenic, and carcinogenic smells in their tanks and bottles, thank you.
Man I like this idea!
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
He never said he was voting for Hillary. There are more than two choices, in case you didn't understand that.
True if the intensity is too much. The same can be said from industrial air pollution, traffic, the neighbours cooking food that I don't like etc. etc.
Yes cigarette smoke in a car is too strong, but smoke from the neighbours? The smoke won't hurt you, yet you can smell it. There are many smells in the world, and many tastes.
If it is bad or not depends on the health of the population at large, the cost for society in terms of health, money and quality of life.
In that sense, I would asume that substituting marijana for tobacco, would be an improvement.
Just like with cigarettes, forcing others to smoke passively should not be allowed.
I think it implies that, if somebody were to offer you a million bucks for a couple of hours in front of a camera, you'd take the million bucks.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Conservative Republicans are green. They just need to have that pointed out to them. The stereotypical Republican is a hunter. Hunters are green. They just aren't the same green as the hippies. They want wild game to be able to live, and that requires some care for the environment.
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The AHA, ACS, and CDC all have 50-year-old research and positions on these things. They lag behind modern science by an enormous margin.
In a study of 76,000 women, current and former smokers had statistically higher chances of lung cancer; exposure to second hand smoke showed NOTHING.
Studies that show links between second-hand smoke and disease are almost universally case-control, where you find someone who has a disease and ask if they were exposed to a potential cause. This kind of study overwhelmingly shows us that video games cause people to be violent psychopaths and should be abolished from society. Actual scientists involved in this kind of research have, for a *long* time, expected that the 7,300 lung cancers claimed caused by second-hand smoke might be more approximately ZERO.
Modern research can't find a link between nicotine in particular and heart disease, at all; nicotine is known to be non-carcinogenic at this point, but cigarettes have hundreds of toxic chemicals. The thing toxicologists know that you don't is those chemicals disperse in air and become laughably-minor doses, in the same way that eating a pound of salt WILL KILL YOU while drinking a half an ounce of automobile antifreeze won't do a damned thing to you. The thing CDC, AHA, and ACS know that you don't is they're not obligated to follow rigorous scientific standards; they have a mission, and they can use any flawed research available that was once generally-accepted and hasn't been firmly stamped out in the public mind to pursue that mission, as they can defend their "best judgement" as long as it's not well-known and well-accepted by the greater populous that they're wrong, and damn what the latest and most effective science says.
It's the same thing as red meat having NO SCIENTIFICALLY-VALID NEGATIVE HEALTH EFFECTS, while the Pork lobby had the campaign, "Pork: The Other White Meat" in the height of the red meat health scare because pork is red meat (nutritionally), but considered white meat in a culinary sense (they found a legal way to falsely market pork as a healthy alternative to red meat when it is, in fact, red meat).
We call this "critical thinking".
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There's never been any proof that second hand smoke is even remotely dangerous.
You might not want to smoke, but you have no right to prevent anyone else from doing it.
It amuses me that the way the US is going, it might soon be legal to smoke marijuana but not tobacco.
Then how do you explain the fact that I have COPD with ZERO cigarette smoking "experience"?
I'll tell you how: Six decades of constantly LIVING WITH cigarette smokers.
Second-hand smoke really is no joke. I'm not an anti-smoking crusader (quite the opposite, actually); but I have to pay at least some attention to my personal experience...
"Turing was an idiot savant, apparently. Imagine walking into the IRS for an audit and confessing to having hidden tons of income 20 years ago (where they are forbidden to look, and wouldn't find out anyway)? Well, that was along the lines of what he did. He basically volunteered himself for punishment."
Turing Swartzed himself. It was the classic nerd vs evil government locker stuffing.
Its not the provable science at issue. It is the far left new-communist SOLUTIONS. Global wealth redistribution is the only solution. No mistake that is what carbon trading and carbon credits are. How can first world countries giving billions to 3rd world war lords help the climate in anyway? It will only make the new UN Politburo the most powerful unelected people on the planet. THAT is the progressive wet dream. Control EVERY person on the planet.
That's lung cancer that does.
For those who haven't taken politics 101 in the high school, this is a good time to look up at the responsibilities of the American Vice President. (Hint, this is not the person who takes over president's duties when the president goes on vacation or a work trip).
The American vice president is technically legally allowed to retired into his Florida mansion immediately after his ticket wins the White House election, and then chill all day at the beach until one of two highly unlikely events happens. First, he is the first in line to succeed the president should anything happen to him or if the president resigns or is removed from the office. Second, the VP can break the legislative battles in the senate when the vote is split exactly 50-50, which you can imagine doesn't happen very frequently. In between of such highly unlikely events, the VP isn't supposed to do much. If he decides to chill all day at the beach, he can't be fired or sacked for having such a carefree life unless he somehow broke the law, because VP is an elected office.
So what good is the VP for? The VP is primarily a marketing figure. The Vice President has to be the side-kick of the presidential candidate during the election campaign. The VP candidate is always selected based on his ability to attract the electoral vote, rather than his ability to cast that precious tie-breaking senate vote (and usually, nobody chooses him based on the ability to lead the country because normally someone who is running for the presidential seat doesn't plan to die or retire soon).
For example, the Democrats often have a "south problem", because the American South isn't usually inclined to vote for a Democrats. So one type of electoral strategy is to have at least one southerner on the electoral ticket. Clinton had Al Gore (both were southerners) and Kerry selected John Edwards (a North Carolinian).