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Donald Trump To Announce Mike Pence As Vice-Presidential Running Mate (theguardian.com)
Donald Trump has selected Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his vice-presidential running mate. A senior GOP official, cited by many media outlets today (including the WSJ), confirmed the news, adding that the announcement will be made Friday. The Guardian reports: Pence brings several qualities to the Trump campaign that Republicans have found lacking, not least of which experience in government. The 57-year-old spent 12 years in Congress, including two years in a leadership role with the House Republican Conference. He was elected governor of Indiana in 2012, and gained a degree of national notoriety that's to a controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which he signed into law and then wanted revised, after many argued it would allow discrimination against LGBT people. A Trump-Pence ticket could send a message to Republican dissenters who feel they cannot support a candidate who has proven inconsistent on guns, abortion, LGBT rights and other social conservative issues. Just before the Indiana primary election, the staunchly conservative governor endorsed Ted Cruz, Trump's leading opponent and a far-right senator from Texas.An anonymous reader shared a BuzzFeed article on Pence today. The article digs into some of the opinion pieces Pence has penned over the years. In one such article, Pence wrote that "smoking doesn't kill." "Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill," he wrote. In another piece, he argues that Carbon Dioxide "can't be the cause of increased global temperatures" because it is "a naturally occurring phenomenon in nature..." not an unnatural one.
Editors, do you do anything???
Reaction from conservatives and Republicans on this will be little to zero excitement.
Pence shriveled up in the face of the challenges in his state when the religious freedom act came under assault, and he really bears no marks of being a person who could be sold as a moderating influence to Trump.
However, I suspect that Trump has left himself with few friends and fewer qualified choices, so this is what the Trumpsters get. Mike the Generic Guy.
Here's what Mike Pence said word for word in his so-called "denialist" and "anti-science" article:
And he was right.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
I just googled Mike Pence's legislative history and he is bloody awful!
Totally against abortion, "[2011] remove the mandate on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee to focus on maximum employment", against same-sex marriage, does not want gays and similar to have equal rights, remove restrictions on campaign contributions, reduce taxes on the rich...
He is no friend of the people .
He is a Republican that hates homosexuals. That might make him our first homosexual VP, since most of those types of Republicans are "in the closet" types.
Pence is just as nuts as Trump which is good... for Trump. If Trump picked a good VP and somehow got elected, someone might try to assassinate him just to get the VP in place. Way to double down on the insanity! ;)
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In my opinion, Trump will succeed not because of his political prowess, but because of who he resonates with.
People are tired of the elite ruling, making decisions based on cronyism and who lines their pockets. Trump isn't afraid to call them out.
The elite don't seem to understand that the non-elite vastly outnumber them, and are tired of their voices no being heard or making a difference.
Will Trump being president be a disaster, probably.. but at least it would shake things up and make the elite take notice how easily they can be replaced by the unsatisfied masses when the option presents itself.
I think this is an excellent choice, and sure to help Trumps candidacy but on an unrelated note i hope the Trump team can lend a little insight into a common american problem:
you see, ive spent 2 years polishing a giant turd in my backyard, but i cant seem to figure out how to get it to shine. I put it next to a pretty woman, no deal. I set it next to an ugly stack of papers about Benghazi, but that didnt work either. I even took my turd and used it to smear other turds to make them seem less shiny than my turd...but im not entirely clear that did anything since nobody seems to like any of the turds.
Good people go to bed earlier.
The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.
*Takes deep breath free of cigarette smoke*. I'm going with back handed big government since I'm not being killed by someone replacing my breathable oxygen with carcinogenic smog against my consent.
it might soon be legal to smoke marijuana but not tobacco.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
there is plenty of evidence to support it. And if it is harmful to me then I have a right to live and you dont have a right to smoke around me. You can smoke anywhere you want, just not around me.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer. This is not to say that smoking is good for you.... news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit. The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric.
Smoking doesn't kill... except for those one out of every three smokers who die from a smoking related illness. Then he tries to say that the relevant part of a conversation about smoking is really about second hand smoking... On the whole, it's just a bunch of nonsense.
If you take just the part about "smoking doesn't kill" it does make him sound worse than he deserves, but similarly the bit that you quote makes him sound better than he deserves. Mostly he's just spewing gibberish here.
There's decades worth of evidence of the harm of second hand smoke. It isn't 1950 any more, Big Tobacco's "research" has long ago been debunked, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a government taking steps to protect people from harmful substances. Your right to smoke ends at my fucking lungs.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Then Trump's perfect running mate. Between the two of them, they can create a cloud of incoherence so thick that no one will be able to tell what the hell they're talking about.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
the NIH, CDC, Cancer.gov, American Cancer Association, Surgeon General, International Agency for Research on Cancer, American Lung Association, American Medical Association, just to name a few, would disagree with that statement. But I know, biased sources with agendas.
This means that Pence won't be running for governor of Indiana. Which means he's going to be out of office entirely come 2017.
I keep coming back to the time when Obama flip-flopped on telecom immunity during the run-up to the 2008 election.
People kept pointing out that this one act caused the telecoms to donate more money to him, which got him elected. Given the closeness of the 2008 election, it's plausible that if Obama *hadn't* done this that he would not have become president.
People also pointed out that: "it was necessary to get elected - he can't implement hope and change unless he wins".
It was a rationalization based on "the ends justify the means".
I shudder to think that Pence was chosen simply for this reason - an expedient choice to increase the odds of Trump being elected, and not for his opinions, competence, or experience.
My soul is fading, I am become like the Democrats.
Never mind whether it's even harmful or not. It's arrogant and rude to force other people to breath your fumes, whether they come from your cigarette or -- uh, elsewhere.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
This is an absolute fabrication. You are a liar and a bad one at that.
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/dat...
There are 10 scientific paper linked at the bottom of that CDC page that affirmatively show a statistically significant connection between secondhand smoke and the conditions and problems listed. The smokers lungs only filter about 10% of the pollutants contained in the tobacco smoke, the rest remain in the second hand smoke and will be absorbed partially by the next person that inhales the smoke.
>For all his faults, Newt accepts climate change and calls for "green conservativism",
Which makes him totally unacceptable to Republican voters. They don't care about the hypocrisy, or extremism, but they do care if someone threatens their collapsing delusional worldview.
The wacky things Republicans say and do make a lot more sense if you view them as a failed subculture, desperately trying to hold off the collapse of their propaganda and superstition based worldview for as long as possible. Choosing religion and pandering hoax-media over evidence is a dead-end, and on some level they know it.
Yeah I am sure you hate Obama because of his "flip-flop on telecom immunity". You guys are so transparent. You hate Obama because of "flip flopping" but Bush was great, right?
Actually, I hate Bush more.
Taking the country to war under false pretences, torturing prisoners... that's a lot of sin to wash away.
Obama caved to the establishment and is generally ineffective, but he hasn't done anything that rises to that level of evil.
I'm an independent thinker, not a party hack.
Turing was an idiot savant, apparently. Imagine walking into the IRS for an audit and confessing to having hidden tons of income 20 years ago (where they are forbidden to look, and wouldn't find out anyway)? Well, that was along the lines of what he did. He basically volunteered himself for punishment.
Under the circumstances, I don't feel that the target selection was all that bad. He *was* the person most responsible for Bletchley Park's successes during the war. People get into a froth without knowing the whole story on Turing. Sure, the law was shitty back then, but the law was shitty in every other time, too, in some respect.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
Bullshit. CDC link:
Health Effects in Adults
From the American Cancer Society
But go ahead, claim all their science is junk and you're smarter than the experts. That seems to be a symptom of people who can't admit facts.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
The funny thing is that Conservatives don't even really oppose big government, they just want it to be a big, harmful, theocratic government. It's government that helps people that they object to. They're fine with treating The Handmaid's Tale as an instruction manual.
I don't much care if a president is having orgies and playing online as a cam girl, so long as she has good policies. It's kind of like drug testing: weed isn't my thing and we don't smoke up at work, but I'd hire a guy who smokes weed in a place where smoking weed is legal, so long as I have reason not to project any performance issues. If he has a good work history, seems well-adjusted, and interviews well, I have reason to believe his personal life isn't my business; and let's be honest: you can put in all the screens and filters and 6-day interview processes you want and still hire a crap candidate--or worse, you can get me.
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Actually, I think he did.
I suspect that Gingrich doesn't think Trump has any chance of winning. However, he and Trump both know that former republican candidates for both P and VP make crazy-large amounts of money on the conservative talk circuit. Republicans seem to pay very large amounts of money to listen to failed candidates speak. Democrats do too, but it seems to be less-crazy amounts and fewer venues, and the people usually have more credentials than "failed to become president".
(I personally think that that was the only reason Trump ran, and that he as surprised as everyone else that he's in this spot.)
if it's just substituting marijuana for tobacco in all the same places and contexts, then yeah it is a bad thing, as bad as the current status quo, which is already inexcusable.
marijuana and tobacco should both be legal in and ONLY IN contexts where OTHER PEOPLE aren't FORCED to take your fucking drugs with you. so away from public places, contained on private property, with consent of the property owner, but even then only where you don't have dependents like children or employees who can't just leave your space. if that means that only childless homeowners can smoke, and only in their own homes, then tough shit.
if keep it out of my fucking air then i don't fucking care, but KEEP IT OUT OF MY FUCKING AIR, and deal with whatever the fuck you have to deal with to accomplish hat.
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Indeed. The Republican Party Platform, as of now, wants government to:
* Regulate the porn industry and control what you're allowed to see.
* Regulate who you can marry.
* Regulate what operations your doctor can do on you (especially if you are a woman).
* Regulate what bathroom you can use.
* Spend more and more on the military.
* Pay for it all by cutting taxes, mostly on the wealthy.
Not what I would call small government.
But they want to be sure that fewer people have health care, so they have that going for them, which is nice.
I can't find anything really negative about him,
How's this for a start?
There's never been any proof that second hand smoke is even remotely dangerous.
You might not want to smoke, but you have no right to prevent anyone else from doing it.
It amuses me that the way the US is going, it might soon be legal to smoke marijuana but not tobacco.
Then how do you explain the fact that I have COPD with ZERO cigarette smoking "experience"?
I'll tell you how: Six decades of constantly LIVING WITH cigarette smokers.
Second-hand smoke really is no joke. I'm not an anti-smoking crusader (quite the opposite, actually); but I have to pay at least some attention to my personal experience...