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145 Tech Leaders Say 'Trump Would Be A Disaster For Innovation' (cnn.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via CNN: "We have listened to Donald Trump over the past year and we have concluded: Trump would be a disaster for innovation," wrote 145 technology leaders in an open letter Medium post published Thursday. Some of the leaders are from tech giants like Google, Facebook and Apple, others from small startups, venture capital firms, nonprofits and universities. "We believe in an inclusive country that fosters opportunity, creativity and a level playing field. Donald Trump does not," reads the letter, which was signed by well-known names like Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak, Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield, IAC's Barry Diller, Reddit's Alexis Ohanian and Wikipedia's Jimmy Wales. "His reckless disregard for our legal and political institutions threatens to upend what attracts companies to start and scale in America. He risks distorting markets, reducing exports, and slowing job creation," reads the letter, published by chief marketing officer at Color Genomics and former VP at Twitter Katie Jacobs Stanton. Moreover, Trump has shown "poor judgment and ignorance about how technology works," they wrote, citing his proposal to "shut down" parts of the Internet and the fact that he has revoked reporters' press credentials. "We stand against Donald Trump's divisive candidacy," the letter concludes. "We embrace an optimistic vision for a more inclusive country, where American innovation continues to fuel opportunity, prosperity and leadership." Meanwhile, Jon Swartz writes from USA Today that "If there was any lingering doubt as to tech's favored presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton put an end to that Tuesday with a tech plan that reads like a Silicon Valley wish list."

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  1. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Translation: Trump would do something about importing cheap H-1B workers while Her Majesty wouldn't.

    1. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except he backtracked on that and said he wouldn't...

      "I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly-skilled people in this country. If we can't do it, we will get them in. And we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have."

      And he's flopped back and forth a few more times since then.

      Trump will say whatever the hell he thinks will get him elected. You'd have to be retarded to believe that he means any of it.

    2. Re:Translation by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trump would be a disaster... ok, but that doesn't mean Hillary would be a disaster is any less true.

      It's been interesting to see how much people rely on saying bad (and at least somewhat, although usually not totally) true things about the "other" candidate, but usually fail to make the case at all as to why "their" candidate is any better.

      The candidates don't exist in a vacuum. Saying Candidate X is horribly Y doesn't actually compare them to their opponents and thus feels more like calling names than having a reasoned discussion.

      I'd listen to more of this if it actually brought up something which wasn't already public knowledge, or tried to at least do some kind of comparison rather than just being a one-sided political attack.

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    3. Re:Translation by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trump will say whatever the hell he thinks will get him elected.

      Right. And Hillary is going to be scrupulously truthful in all things and depend on voters giving her credit for her long history of honesty.

      o_O

      One thing Hillary has said that you can absolutely take to the bank, however; she'll give instance and permanent resident status to however many millions of people the "stem" degree mills of Asia can graduate. Thus our tech leader obsequience.

      Cool how the employers of one of the most black free labor forces in the US can't seem to wedge enough "inclusive"s into their press release.

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    4. Re:Translation by cavreader · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A vote for Trump would be a vote against Democrats, Republicans, and the biased media who fall all over themselves trying to elect anyone who would validate their editorial lines. A vote for Trump means there will be a whole bunch of rich people and companies who will see the billions of dollars they have pumped into their candidate of choice has been wasted. The Democrats and Republicans need a serious timeout to reflect on how bad they have fucked up the country.

      The office of the President doesn't allow any candidate to actually accomplish anything they say while campaigning. The policies Trump speaks about cannot be dictated by the President. Trump is hated by both Democrats and Republicans equally. Does anyone see Congress approving anything Trump asks for? Dissolution of signed international treaty's cannot be abrogated by the President alone. Even declaring a war needs to be justified and unless someone lobs a few nukes at the US the legislative branch will never fund a war. For all those wishing the US would stop wasting money protecting foreign ingrates then Trump is your man. If he was to even come close to exceeding his Presidential authority he would be impeached in an afternoon since he has no party support. Anyone wanting to see a President tell some foreign leader to fuck off and defend themselves on their own dime than Trump is your man. The bottom line is a President cannot destroy a country without help from lots of others in the Legislative and Judicial branches.

    5. Re:Translation by ElectricHellKnight · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except he backtracked on that and said he wouldn't...

      "I'm changing. I'm changing. We need highly-skilled people in this country. If we can't do it, we will get them in. And we do need in Silicon Valley, we absolutely have to have."

      And he's flopped back and forth a few more times since then.

      Trump will say whatever the hell he thinks will get him elected. You'd have to be retarded to believe that he means any of it.

      Except here's him being consistent in his opinions since 1980. That's a better track record than all the real politicians, especially Hillary "Marriage should be between a man and a woman oh wait not anymore" Clinton.

    6. Re:Translation by BradMajors · · Score: 4, Informative

      Trump has never changed his position. He stated that the current H-1B system as being done is bad for the country. However, the idea behind H-1B visas of importing highly talented persons that the US work force can not supply as being good. The media has no interest in writing about such a nuanced opinion.

    7. Re:Translation by Orgasmatron · · Score: 4, Informative

      H-1B is sold as snatching up Einstein fleeing from the Nazis. H-1B in reality is Haroum taking your 1st level helpdesk job.

      Everyone is in favor of picking up exceptional people, but the media tried to pretend that the question had been about the H-1B program. Trump gets tripped up by trick questions like that sometimes because he wasn't raised from birth to be a politician.

      He has, however, been totally consistent about putting Americans first for at least 25 years, based on interviews he's done in that time. (Head over to youtube if you want to watch them.) I trust his principles and his instincts.

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    8. Re:Translation by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The last 2 years of Bush and the 8 of Obama has been a steady slide into a quagmire of debt and fading opportunities. It only looks better by using smoke and mirrors and playing with numbers. You could be doing better possibly but as a country we are not. I doubt Trump could fix it since he's not part of the system and I'm pretty sure the people behind the scenes pulling the strings will make sure he's not elected in any case. It looks as if the elites in the Republican party have been instructed by their masters to sabotage his election and I'm pretty sure these people will be perfectly happy with Hilliary at the helm or Cruz or Rubio or any of their other bitches they fund. Don't look for anything to change except for the worse.

  2. Candidate not for sale by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not a Trump fan but I get the impression that many who like him believe he isn't bought and paid for like Hillary probably is. If they are right, it makes sense that these guys wouldn't want to lose their investment and have someone elected that isn't beholden to them.

    1. Re:Candidate not for sale by dasgoober · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trump is just taking out the Middle Man.
      Hillary is selling the electorate to her backers, for the backers' benefit.
      Trump is selling the electorate a bill of goods for his benefit.

  3. All About the H-1B by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The tech executives just want to keep the gravy train of cheap, captive H-1B visa holders. I have been a Democrat all my life, donated many times to President Obama--and would vote for him again in a heartbeat. Hillary Clinton is the first Democratic presidential candidate in my life that I cannot support. I am senior enough in my field to have never had my personal job touched by an H-1B visa holder. (They are dishonest morons.) The way it's run, the entire H-1B visa program is a scam. So, I will be voting for Dr. Jill Stein. I will be damned if I will vote for Clinton. I've done that enough. She supports rich tech billionaires--not me--and I will return the favor. I would rather suffer through 4 years of Donald Trump instead of allowing Hillary Clinton to screw us.

    1. Re:All About the H-1B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'd knowingly support an insane person, just so you wouldn't get your feelings hurt. That's smart.

    2. Re:All About the H-1B by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would rather suffer through 4 years of Donald Trump instead of allowing Hillary Clinton to screw us.

      If it were only 4 years ... The next president will get to nominate a minimum of 2 judges to the Supreme Court. Probably 3. This will influence life in the USA for decades.

      While I don't think that Clinton is a good candidate, I think that Trump will be far, far worse. He is already beholden to wealthy people (his campaign hasn't been self-funded for a long time now), his statements show that he has an utter lack of concern for the liberties that the Framers wanted people to have. His real policies may not be for the benefit of tech billionaires, instead, it is for the benefit of billionaires. Trump is a proven liar. He used charity money to buy himself a vacation (now he has paid, but only after being called out on the issue).

      What's in his tax returns that he is hiding? It's obviously something that shows him in a bad light. My guess is that it shows that his income and net assets are actually far lower than he would like people to know. In other words, his claim to be such a great businessman are in part smoke and mirrors.

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    3. Re:All About the H-1B by dugancent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "You have to vote for one of them"

      You absolutely do not have to and shame on you for saying that.

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  4. What they say and what they mean by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> We believe in an inclusive country that fosters opportunity

    Translation: We prefer a corrupt government so we can get an endless supply of H1B visas to replace all our US workers with cheap foreign labor.

  5. disaster for profiting from cheap foreign labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's amazing how I wasn't even fooled for a fraction of a second about what they really meant.

    As a tech worker who lives on paychecks rather than dividends, I couldn't give half a fuck about their huge margins or their eternally climbing share price. I'm sure that a lot of the C-levels will weep and gnash their teeth if they have to pay me an extra 10 20 or even 50 percent salary but how in a million years does this hurt me?

    And no, I know it won't result in unemployment because I know that my work generates millions of dollars a year in ROI (summarizing here but I automate the jobs of insurance adjusters, call center employees and the like). My salary is a tiny fraction of the value I provide. There's an enormous amount of money on the table here. We're talking about companies employing thousands of employees and generating billions in profit. All the unlimited visa abuse does is put more of it in the pockets of C-levels, shareholders and the banks.

    And frankly, fuck them. I have never wanted to vote republican so much in my life. All the right people are recoiling in horror at Trump. Know someone by their enemies indeed.

  6. Re:Hillary for more H1Bs by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    He'll run the fiber and make AT&T pay for it.

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  7. Re:Not just innovation by twotacocombo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What Trump says and what will actually happen are obviously two different things. There are still checks and balances to keep him from running roughshod over human rights by himself. The H1B travesty is real, happening, and can only get worse under Clinton. I'd rather have a redfaced blowhard spouting off nonsense than this slippery bitch plunging the knife in even deeper than it already is. They're both clearly unfit for the job, but Trump entertains me while Clinton makes my blood run cold for multiple reasons.

  8. Re:Hillary for more H1Bs by rmullig2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simple, the government redefines high-speed Internet as 56Kbps. Problem solved.

  9. non-enforcement enforces violation by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    The President does not control H-1B. Congress does.

    The President DOES control the INTERPRETATION and the ENFORCEMENT of the rules - including choosing to avoid enforcing them.

    When the laws are not enforced, businessmen who follow the law are at a severe competitive disadvantage to those who violate them. In a highly competitive market this quickly shakes out so that there are two categories of businessmen:
      - Those who violate the law and get all the contracts.
      - Those who don't violate the law, don't win any contracts, and are now out of business.

    We saw that up close and personally when we did some home improvement a few years back. We couldn't find ANY contractors whose line workers weren't illegal aliens.

    (We discovered this in the case of, and had it explained by, our siding contractor,. We went to take photographs of the added wiring in the walls when the siding was off, and all his workers became very upset that cameras were in use.)

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  10. Have any of these people ever voted Republican? by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just wondering. To the extent I know their political orientation, they are all quite partisan Democrats.

    One tech person who was interviewed on Leo Laporte's "Triangulation" podcast a few weeks ago had an interesting perspective. Basically, there's a lot of very bad stuff entrenched in Washington DC that needs to get broken. The candidate most likely to break stuff is Trump; hopefully, he'll break more stuff that needs breaking than stuff that needs to not be broken.

    Me, I'm probably going to vote Libertarian; I won't vote for either of the D or R <obscene characterization redacted>."