It Took Nearly Three Hours For France's Terror Alert App To Respond To Nice Attack (theverge.com)

Amar Toor, reporting for The Verge: A terror alert app released by the French government last month has come under criticism after taking hours to notify users of Thursday night's attack in Nice. The app, called SAIP was released by the French Interior Ministry on iOS and Android in June, ahead of the Euro 2016 soccer tournament. According to the ministry, the app would provide users with alerts and information within 15 minutes of a terrorist attack being confirmed. But it apparently took much longer to send out alerts following last night's attack in Nice, where a man drove a truck into a crowded seaside promenade during Bastille Day celebrations, killing at least 84 people and leaving 18 others in critical condition. Users who had downloaded the app posted phone screenshots to Twitter last night showing that SAIP sent out its first alert just after 1:30AM local time -- nearly three hours after the attack began. Facebook, by contrast, activated its Safety Check feature shortly after the attack was carried out, and French politicians urged those in the area to check in using that feature, as SAIP remained silent.

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YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Deporting all Muslims is the only way to save western civilization.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, why take chances in which ones are good and which ones are bad. Deport them all and let them fight it out. Maybe if they have no countries to run to and ruin, they will fix their own. Or maybe they'll all kill each other. Either way they won't ruin other countries anymore.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

You are too kind. I would let them 2 days to get out and then shoot these still here and send a note for the price of the bullet to the nearest alive relative...

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[Defakto]

Why take chances that all people are good or bad, deport us all, can't risk a few bad apples doing bad things.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Luthair]

I have a better idea, why don't we kill all bigots so people don't feel ostracized.

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[Opportunist]

Deport them where?

Unfortunately France has this problem where they used to have a few colonies and most of "those people" are from there. Came here 40+ years ago. It's likely that the person who drove that truck was born in France and is French. Where to do you wish to deport someone like this?

And ... does that mean that by extrapolation, we have to expect a lot of US people that are going to flood Europe when they get repatriated by the natives?

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[Anonymous Coward]

And the lame response award goes to Defakto.
There's is no reason to keep taking refugees with violent tendancies who are hell bent on taking out scores of people all at once.

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[Anonymous Coward]

You should be the first to go then.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Deport them where?

Do what they did to the Irish terrorists, ban them from the mainland. Put them on some island somewhere. The French have a few that they used for nuclear testing, that will do fine.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Deport them where?

Who fucking cares? Just put them in boxcars and pull the train to Syria (or on a boat and run it aground on their beach) with full air support to crash through the border, and leave them there and reseal the border. Make it their problem. Fuck them all. Unfortunately we are too weak to do what needs to be done. Blame the politically correct for putting us all in danger and allowing these people out of the middle east to begin with. Oh, and stop trying to rescue those damn people in their sinking boats. Let them drown like the rats that they are. It is long past time to end this. Otherwise Europe is doomed. We have to contain this war and keep it outside our borders. There is only one way, ship them all out! NOW!

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[Anonymous Coward]

White European civilizations are objectively the greatest civilizations to ever exist by a huge margin. Killing the native American savages and conquering their land was thus entirely justified. On the other hand, the world would objectively be a far better place if muslims and the middle east didn't exist.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, because the healthy, normal response to feeling a little out of place is to murder people. Surely we can all agree that a culture which promotes mass murder because their feelings are hurt is one which must be honored, cherished, and brought into our homelands in droves.

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[Anonymous Coward]

A you a girl?

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[Mats Svensson]

Deporting all religious people, you mean?
Put them all in Jesus-land, aka USA.

Then nuke the whole lot from orbit.
Its the only way to make sure.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[qwijibo]

Hint: the belief that a better path is "why don't we kill all..." is the source, not solution to the problem.

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Only a king bigot would want to kill all people he/she thinks are bigots. I think you need to look in the mirror and reflect on the monster you have become.

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[Mashiki]

You think that bigotry caused this? Or any of the other previous terrorist attacks? No. Stop being so damned naive. Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar? They're funding extrimism in our own backyards by paying for the institutional buildings to spread that type of hate. You should probably pick up a history book as well. Then you'll find out that this has been an on-going problem for nearly 1300 years at this point. I'm sure someone will come out whining but what about the crusades. Oh yes, those crusades that were a response...after nearly 200 years of attacks against European countries, against muslim slavery, destruction of churches and religious sites. Rape, pillaging and murder of entire towns. It's so stupidly easy to chart the initial battles, slavery camps, slave markets from historical documents(the feudal governments and catholic church were malicious about it). And even easier to see when the initial push-back started.

That there are serious problems with muslims entering from the middle east and africa causing no shortage of problems. That in their new host countries, they continue the old way of life instead of integrating. That there are mosques and madrassa's that teach extremism as the bread and butter of their faith. You can find them easily all over Europe. Before someone goes..."but you're a white male, you don't know anything!" Let me finish out with I'm a first generation kid in Canada, born to mixed race parents who's parents integrated into society, left the old world bullshit behind, became productive members of society and were respected for it. So with that, I respect muslims that will turn around and leave the old world garbage behind and become productive members of society. The rest? Nope. And those ones that won't? They'll even attack their fellow brothers because they believe that they're not muslim anymore. See what happened here in Canada after the double terrorist attacks within a week of each other. When leaders of reformist muslim movements, and liberal mosque leaderships denounced and then stated that all mosques should be under police surveillance. The response? "You're not muslim, you should be killed. You're an apostate! Etc, etc, etc."

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[PopeRatzo]

Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar? They're funding extrimism in our own backyards by paying for the institutional buildings to spread that type of hate.

You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"

We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.

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[Mashiki]

You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"

We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.

Okay, let's roll with this. You know the US is now sitting on more oil, coal and NG, then there are proven supplies in say Saudi Arabia? Canada comes in just under that US total too. So let's cut the snake off at the head, and start using our own oil/NG/coal/etc. Sounds good right? Oh wait, what do you mean those environmentalists are starting to whine, and the nimby's are so uptight that their assholes are where their mouths are? And there's a brain dead president in power that doesn't want to do anything and impose more bans on developing those sites or continues with the environmentalist anti-nuke policies.

Solution and answer are right there and could end it all in 30 years.

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[Plumpaquatsch]

You should be the first to go then.

Well, since you are obviously scared, and scared people are known do do stupid things, you are obviously more dangerous. You go first.

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[PopeRatzo]

Okay, let's roll with this. You know the US is now sitting on more oil, coal and NG, then there are proven supplies in say Saudi Arabia? Canada comes in just under that US total too. So let's cut the snake off at the head, and start using our own oil/NG/coal/etc.

It doesn't matter where the oil is geographically. Banksters are above nationality. All that matter is where the money is and where it goes.

There is zero chance of any sort of legislation requiring oil drilled in the US to be sold only in the US. Why else would the Keystone XL pipeline go to Port Arthur and Galveston?

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[Plumpaquatsch]

You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"

We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.

Okay, let's roll with this. You know the US is now sitting on more oil, coal and NG, then there are proven supplies in say Saudi Arabia?

So one more country supporting his thesis - the US has been a major supporter of terrorists for decades.

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[GLMDesigns]

Ok.Let's agree that buying oil from the Saudis is the root cause. Then you're for any and all solutions from renewables to fracking to off-shore drilling that reduces, if not eliminates our buying of middle eastern oil.

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[ADRA]

Oil from North American sources are significantly more expensive to extract and process. Forgetting the environmentalism concern entirely, are you willing to accept potentially 50% gas price hikes to stop doing business with undesirable nations? If so, great on you(?) but I don't see the market at large taking your stance.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Don't forget adding new nuclear facilities so we don't waste easily portable hydrocarbon reserves on stationary power generation.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Okay, let's roll with this. You know the US is now sitting on more oil, coal and NG, then there are proven supplies in say Saudi Arabia? Canada comes in just under that US total too. So let's cut the snake off at the head, and start using our own oil/NG/coal/etc. Sounds good right? Oh wait, what do you mean those environmentalists are starting to whine, and the nimby's are so uptight that their assholes are where their mouths are? And there's a brain dead president in power that doesn't want to do anything and impose more bans on developing those sites or continues with the environmentalist anti-nuke policies.

Solution and answer are right there and could end it all in 30 years.

You know the line from H. L. Mencken?

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.

You'd think you'd sit back and consider that. Contrary to popular belief, we are using our own oil/NG/coal/etc. It's the rest of the world that needs most of the exported oil. And like it or not, the president does have an agenda, but it isn't what you think. Unfortunately, it's stymied thanks to the contrarians in the GOP who won't even vote on a Supreme court nominee. They even freaked out over a small portion of a DOE program begun under Bush. All of that whining over Solyndra? Useless, they just wanted to bicker. Some of them didn't even realize that Solyndra did have a product, and did built a factory. The way they carried on, you'd think they'd just absconded with the money entirely. Sheesh, if those idiots wanted results, they should have dedicated the money to direct purchases for government sites.

Anti-nuke policies? What nonsense is that? You think that the energy companies couldn't be building nuclear plants if they wanted to do so? But they don't. They have been fucking up Summer and Vogtle for years, and Watts Bar dates from the 1980s. The nuclear renaissance was garbage. Meanwhile, they've cranked out natural gas reactors like nobody's business.

Look, I get it, you blame the wacky greens and dastardly liberals for everything, but reality is a lot more complex. Try to sound a bit less like you have all the answers, and maybe you'll realize how much you've been asking the wrong question.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, most of it is already being mined and oil'd. It's mostly because people know (except for those few who think the oil is regenerating itself fast enough, but they're too stupid to be in power... mostly) oil is a finite amount. They want to get everyone else's oil first.

Most people don't even know where oil companies are drilling. Most people are only complaining about fracking, which disrupts a whole ecosystem by flooding the water table with crap. Regular drill-a-hole-get-the-stuff most people don't have a problem with.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[JackieBrown]

Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar? They're funding extrimism in our own backyards by paying for the institutional buildings to spread that type of hate.

You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"

We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.

Very true. It was such a stable and peaceful place before /sarcasm

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[JackieBrown]

And ... does that mean that by extrapolation, we have to expect a lot of US people that are going to flood Europe when they get repatriated by the natives?

Sure if the natives take over the country and chose that.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Then you realize that 99% of the people there are actually law abiding citizens asides from their landed status - more so than the natives because they fear being deported should they draw attention to themselves.

Until, of course, you deport them all for no good reason. Then a larger percentage get pissed at the people who, for all intents and purposes, recreated their lives there while living as normally as possible and got booted out for the actions of a few.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

You need to eliminate oil from the world economy, simply having one country stop buying middle eastern oil solves nothing if they rest of the world continues.

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[Kierthos]

Yeah, shipping people of a particular religion around in boxcars doesn't have any sort of bad history at all.

Seriously, what the FUCK is wrong with you? Okay, I'm an atheist, so I have no use for any religion, but why the screaming hell do people think that demonizing an entire religion for the acts of a few of them is a good thing? What is it going to accomplish?

This is what groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda want. They want us to fear every Muslim. They want us to marginalize Muslim youth because it makes it easier for those terrorist groups to recruit them.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I've got a better idea. Send the boxcars to camps where they can be put down like the mad dogs that they are, man, woman and child. That will provide a final solution to the problem.

Too long have we allowed the spineless weak-kneed traitors among us to coddle these people. It's time to show our STRENGTH! Take the strong common-sense approach. And if anyone objects, load them in a boxcar as well!

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[Anonymous Coward]

Thats easy. Canada doesnt have the refineries required to crack the bitomen into usable gasoline and other petro chemicals. THATS why we want to shiip it south via pipeline. The canadian government doesnt want ot invest in the oil industry because i guess they think we are on the verge of the next big thing and thats where they want the support dollars to go.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, because if you go back before 1956, everything was pretty much a-okay throughout the middle east. There was no strife, violence, or any history of destabilization at all.

While the ass-backwards partitioning of the ottoman empire by the allies after the end of world war 1 had HUGE impact on the last 100 years of instability in the middle east, let's not pretend that there wasn't a history of problems before that, going back all the way to bibilical times.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Logic? On /.? I'm so confused...

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[Anonymous Coward]

We should kill everyone that disagrees with me

There's that liberal tolerance. Hillary 2016!

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[Anonymous Coward]

Why stop at Muslisms? Why not anyone who believes a different religion to you. How about anyone who votes for a different political party than you? How about people who don't look like you too.

You're being short-sited in your bigotry here.

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[tnk1]

The Keystone XL pipeline extension was planned between Hardisty, Alberta, and Steele City, Nebraska. It does not go to Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

You're confused with the rest of the Keystone oil pipeline complex, some of which does go to Texas. All of those pipelines have already been built.

In terms of why does any of it go to Texas? Keystone in general goes to refineries in Illinois and Texas. The reason for that is simple. That is where the refineries are.

You sort of have it backwards. Yes, the refineries are there because of the port terminals. However, that's because port terminals is where you receive imports and Gulf coast oil, which have in the past, been an important source of oil for the US. Since Refineries are not going to move, particularly due to the expensive shale and tar sands oil, the oil from those areas goes to the refineries, not vice-versa.

Of course, yes, sending the oil to the terminals does allow for export, but that's not really a focus of the Keystone pipeline complex. Could it happen? Quite possibly. But whether or not it is possible, the reason for the pipelines isn't the international banking conspiracy, it is the situation of refinery capacity. If there were not "banksters", they would still send the oil to Texas and other places with sea terminals because that is where you find a lot of refineries situated.

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[Anonymous Coward]

People who use the word "obviously" more than once in a sentence are idiots with limited vocabularies. You will have to go first I'm afraid.

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[dwillden]

Actually such a law was just repealed, making it legal for the first time for significant amounts of US petroleum to be exported. The Keystone pipeline is to take Canadian oil to be refined and then loaded onto ships to China and elsewhere. It is Not for US oil.

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[noshellswill]

Muzzi-wogs are special USD-inspected PRIME azzwholes ... every Suni/Saudi a savage Semite pervos .....  France asked for them and France is getting the butchery it deserves. But, here, in the USA dealing with sand.nigger Obama.husians insanity  republican patriots may well  butcher-out every Muzzi-wog and their race-traitor white pander-pals and Bantu neoliths. Yep that's a cheap price ---  slaughtering couple-a-million savages --- to maintain  the straight white Christian culture of Euclid, Aristotle,  Archimedes, Livy, St. Thomas, Erasmus, Gauss, Jefferson, Roosevelt, Feynman & THEDONALD.   If you're some globalist camel-fucker or neo-Stalinist who thinks they can drive me from my own streets, I'll see you there palsy ... but remember where-ever you are ... I'll be behind you ... 

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[Anonymous Coward]

History is going to show the next decade as "bad" no matter what anybody does my friend.

Either Western Europe pushes back in a strong and brutal way, or they are devoured and the muzzies make up stories about how evil they were and post it on plaques over the mass graves of former French, British and German people.

You are not thinking the long enough gain. They aren't just trying to "recruit youth" they are simply going to out breed, out leech, and out vote the former owners of Western Europe by using their own dumb bleeding hearts against them. Every single moslem believes non-moslems should be killed or conquered and is willing to work for the next generation to gain a little ground when they are adults.

Brutal conquest ideals are built into the basic premise of their death-cult, and the only way to stop it is to kill the hosts. Read the books some time. Spontaneous radicalization and willingness to kill will show up in any population of them, without an organization existing there to "recruit" anything.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Why stop at Muslisms? Why not anyone who believes a different religion to you. How about anyone who votes for a different political party than you? How about people who don't look like you too.

You're being short-sited in your bigotry here.

OK! But, let's start with the death-cult causing the problem and once that job is completely finished at all corners of the world and there are none of them left, then we can sit down and talk about the other ones.

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[tnk1]

Actually, the US itself is fairly independent of Saudi oil these days.

The problem is that Europe and China are not. Even if we were 100% off Saudi oil, Saudi would still be making bank.

Our purpose in the Middle East is simple, prevent World War III so that we don't have to ride to save the day like we did in WWII. And since nuclear weapons are in play, if there is a WWIII we may not get the chance to play Big Damn Heroes before its all over and we're all fucked.

This is why I tend to favor libertarian ideas to some degree, but I absolutely, positively, do not support the isolationist planks.

Yes, we are the world's policeman. Perhaps we shouldn't be, but that process should be planned out and slowly executed. Immediately dumping our presence around the world is more likely to precipitate the loss of American (and other) lives, than the occasional terrorist act, no matter how outrageous.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Except that so far the terrorists involved in Paris were not refugees so you're stance makes no sense. Not sure the identity of the individual in Nice but I'd wager he wasn't a refugee either. I know it's easy to think the problem is with refugees but its not. The UK and France have been importing people of middle eastern heritage for decades. In France they don't assimilate well into French culture so they persecuted in much the same way the black population is in America, you can't be surprised when people of their population start fighting back when little to no efforts are made to help their situation.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Sure. Make gas pumps offer four options: Regular, Plus, Premium, and Non-terrorist. Solve that problem in a fucking hurry.

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[ITRambo]

Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act. How many mosques have you seen speak out against ISIS and Islamist terrorism? The Islamist terrorist activities are encouraged by their "holy" books. I have always viewed Islam as the religion of evil, not of peace which is what they falsely claim. Recent activities have only strengthened my belief that the world has 1.3 billion people that either kill "infidels" with impunity, want to kill them, or silently support the killings. Muslims that see the light and denounce evil are no longer Muslims. I encourage everyone to read the Koran. See for yourself how Muhammad went from founding a movement that was encouraged to get along with others, down the path of insanity where he directed believers to kill those that did not convert or follow the laws that Muhammad set for them. The Western world has been shielded from this truth for too long. We can share a planet. We cannot share a country with these folks.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Terrorists in France come from the former colonies which declared independence, leaving the loyalists in those countries in a very tricky situation. So they had to emigrate to France.

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[Opportunist]

It starts to make sense that of all the countries in Europe, Germany gobbled up most of them. They do have a lot of experience with that kind of solutions. And they were really efficient about it, too.

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[Opportunist]

Yeah, I figured that much. Populist bullshit position without content.

Same solution you have for unemployment, housing, urban unrest, gentrification... someone should do something somewhere.

Try again when you have an actual solution. Until then allow me to inform you that, yes, everyone has by now noticed that there's a problem and no, nobody else has any kind of solution either. Because, guess what: If someone HAD a solution, we'd be implementing it!

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[Mashiki]

Oil from North American sources are significantly more expensive to extract and process. Forgetting the environmentalism concern entirely, are you willing to accept potentially 50% gas price hikes to stop doing business with undesirable nations? If so, great on you(?) but I don't see the market at large taking your stance.

Obviously you don't work, have friends that work/etc in the oil industry here in Canada or the US. If you did, you'd know that most of that extraction and processing is profitable above a price of $44BBL, the very heaviest crude including oil sands are profitable at prices above $64BBL. There would be no 50% price hike. Hell oil is at ~45-47BBL right now, and I'm still paying around $1/L or $4.10/Gal, where as I can cross the border and pay $2.10/Gal. Even when oil was at $110-140/BBL the price never topped $1.38/L or $4.25/Gal

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[Z00L00K]

Maybe the problem is circumcision?

Circumcision leading to sexual frustration leading to anger.

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[Z00L00K]

France still have a few islands in different places. Some of them not inhabited by anything but birds.

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[Captain Splendid]

I can just see all your friends at work: "You pay for Terrorrist-free? Sucker!"

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[AmiMoJo]

How do you plan to detect if someone is a Muslim or not?

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[Anonymous Coward]

I used to think like you. Only a very small minority (like a few thousands on the whole world) is responsible while the vast majority (the 1.5 billion minus the few thousands) are peaceful in their religious thoughts.

But year after year my view on Islam is being changed. Today I went to work like a zombie because I couldn't catch sleep. I was binge watching the news shows. The first person I came across was Moroccan of the third generation. He laughed at me for believing this Israeli-American propaganda. Nothing happened at all. The evil Jews just want to give Muslims a bad name so America can bomb his brothers...

Later that day other Moroccans were discussing what happened. They convinced themselves that the French state was behind the attack. I couldn't be anything else except maybe the CIA or MOSSAD, simply because a identity card was found. An ID of a Muslim was left behind to be able to blame the Muslims so they can keep committing genocide on their Muslim Palestine brothers.

These are colleagues. People who all have bachelor or master degree. People who have studied,who should have become critical thinkers. But still they prefer to become the victims of a terrorist attack done by a Muslim about 1200 kilometers to the south. They are moderate Muslims. They probably will never hurt anyone. But they refuse to accept that Muslims commit terrorist attacks. They are part of the problem. The terrorists are only the tip of the iceberg. They are supported directly and indirectly by the Arabic Muslim world. Satellite dish tv, Internet, hate preacher in Saudi and Qatari sponsored mosques, extreme conservative communities who are allowed to put their subjects under shariah law by local authorities. Honor killings, female genitation mutilation, 12-15 year old girls who are send back to the home country to marry a cousin to help them get a passport, polygamy, .... Everything is tolerated, those communities are lawless.

This also causes a lot of drugs related and sex abuse (prostitution) related crimes. In my village there live no Muslims, but next to the school a gang of 5-6 Moroccans deal drugs every single day. The police does nothing, because it would be racist to not arrest whites, only Moroccans. It would be called ethnic profiling, an easy case for any lawyer to free his clients.

This has been going on for too long. Nobody of the well meaning, integrated Muslims takes any initiative anymore to make things better for their community. The liberal Muslims who did in the past were all intimidated, sometimes even killed, while the left wing politicians didn't back those attempts.

Those politicians supported the majority instead. I understand it now. The majority of the Muslims in west Europe doesn't want to integrate. They might be peaceful, but are part of the iceberg that's under water. Our western society, its leaders at least, see only the small tip of terrorist attacks and think it can never sink our humanist-Christian ship. These anti racists are the real racists. They really think our society is so superior that we can assimilate all cultures, even when the majority of the population who has to live with members of incompatible cultures think, say and vote differently. These people are now called bigot, xenophobic, islamophobic and racist.

The emperor has no cloths, the left wing ex May '68 protesters who are in charge in the west are the real source for the upcoming extreme right movements.

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[ultranova]

Deporting all Muslims is the only way to save western civilization.

Don't be an idiot. Having the West give up freedom of religion is precisely the point of these attacks. ISIS is losing, such angry and unthinking actions on our part are their only hope.

This is war. Fight with your brain, not your heart, least you aid your enemy. We don't even know if this had anything to do with Islam rather than an unhinged petty criminal with a history of violence finally going over the edge.

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[ultranova]

Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar? They're funding extrimism in our own backyards by paying for the institutional buildings to spread that type of hate.

So what do you think they're trying to accomplish? All that effort can't hope to cause enough damage to weaken Europe militarily. But it can give our nationalists just enough help to succeed in tearing EU apart, and if at all possible to give up liberty so it won't tempt their subjects anymore. After that, all they have to do is wait for the continent to blow itself up again, and watch Russia conquer the remains.

Calm down and stop aiding the enemy.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Culture make up, to a large degree, on whether a country is successful or not. When citizens of country B flee their failing country to successful country A and try to bring along their culture without adapting to country A's culture, isn't this introducing the thing that made them flee in the first place?

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[quantaman]

Deporting all Muslims is the only way to save western civilization.

Western civilization isn't the one at risk, the reason for these attacks, the reason Muslim conservatives hate immigration even more than Western conservatives, is that repressive Muslim cultures are the ones under real threat.

We're worried about people coming from a different culture and regressive beliefs. They're worried about those same immigrants becoming liberalized and spreading those ideas of tolerance back home.

That's one of the reasons why ISIS is attacking the West, so that Western nations exclude and even kick out Muslims and stop the spread of western values into their culture. The other reason is that ISIS is losing and starting to get desperate, so they're increasing terror attacks to recruit more people and egg the West into doing something stupid (to the extent they care President Trump would be a win for them).

These terror attacks are terrible but the price of western civilization is we sometimes need to endure terrible things.

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[Anonymous Coward]

That's lame and pathetic. Just trying to use some words justifying terrorists. Real question is why are we still funding Pakistan? To create more radicals and send to western world? Humanitarian approach is good, but to terrorists is double edged sword.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar?

WTF? You forgot Pakistan. Idiot.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar? They're funding extrimism in our own backyards by paying for the institutional buildings to spread that type of hate.

You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"

We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.

We could deal with terrorism as soon as we stop sending billions to Pakistan.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"

We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.

Okay, let's roll with this. You know the US is now sitting on more oil, coal and NG, then there are proven supplies in say Saudi Arabia?

So one more country supporting his thesis - the US has been a major supporter of terrorists for decades.

Spotted the whack job pining for Che Guevera to execute some more innocents in the name of revolution!

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

If you aren't seeing Muslim denouncations of terrorism, you aren't looking.

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Jester998]

Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act.

A Muslim extremist wants to cut your head off.

A Muslim moderate wants someone else to cut your head off.

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Bacon

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[PopeRatzo]

Yep, because if you go back before 1956, everything was pretty much a-okay throughout the middle east. There was no strife, violence, or any history of destabilization at all.

Yes, there was a history of violence and strife, like there is in every part of the world, but we hadn't yet turned the worst actors into billionaires.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[PopeRatzo]

Then you're for any and all solutions from renewables to fracking to off-shore drilling that reduces, if not eliminates our buying of middle eastern oil.

As I said, you could never, ever get a US congress or president from either party to go along with forcing US oil companies to sell only to US customers. It is not possible.

So you can do all the off-shore drilling and fracking is just going toward shipping our resources overseas. "Energy independent" really should mean "energy independent". Not just "we're making as much as we're using, but it's all going into a global marketplace so we're still stuck with OPEC setting the terms".

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[PopeRatzo]

Actually, the US itself is fairly independent of Saudi oil these days.

No. We're still importing tons of oil from the Saudis. Remember, it's a global market. Oil that's drilled here in the US doesn't stay in the US. We'll always be at the mercy of the Saudis and OPEC as long as we are hell-bent on globalism.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[PopeRatzo]

Very true. It was such a stable and peaceful place before /sarcasm

It wasn't a stable and peaceful place, but we had not yet given them the means to influence us by selling them our birthright.

By making the Saudis rich beyond the dreams of avarice, we have allowed them to export their murderous theology around the world.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[PopeRatzo]

The Keystone XL pipeline extension was planned between Hardisty, Alberta, and Steele City, Nebraska. It does not go to Texas.

See, this is what you get when you use wikipedia as your only source of information.

Here is the actual map of the proposed pipeline from TransCanada, who are actually building the fucking thing. You will notice it goes to Port Arthur Texas on the Gulf Coast.

http://www.keystone-xl.com/key...

Specifically, the "Keystone XL" has always been planned for three stages. The final stage is to the Gulf.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Whorhay]

We managed to make enemies in basically all camps there. We enriched whichever assholes were in charge at the time. We helped other power tripping assholes into power. The enemies of those assholes logically now view us as the enemy. Then whenever we stopped supporting the assholes in charge they came to view us as enemies. Even the nations and groups that we didn't outright take a collective shit on though have come to dislike, if not hate us, for perpetually meddling in the affairs of their neighbors and destabilizing the entire region.

At this point even if we completely vacated the region we'll have issues with terrorism here for decades. Because an exit like that will make even more enemies. And it's not like the region will prosper immediately and we'll continue to be blamed for all that ills them for years to come.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

The gay vegan mooooooooslims are gonna getcha!

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[rahvin112]

Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act.

The funniest part about this is how you would even know this, do you attend your local Mosque?

The fact is almost all Western Mosques and Imam's routinely condemn terrorist attacks and terrorist sponsoring groups. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. And the most ironic thing about it is you wouldn't expect your own church congregation and priest to attack and condem acts of Christian violence around the world. For example where was your condemnation when the Christians of the Central African Republic went on a rampage murdering all Muslims including women and children? Where was your public statement? Oh they don't represent you, do they? So why would you expect radical Islamic militants represent all muslims?

You are a fucking bigot.

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[AthanasiusKircher]

This is indeed a bad day when a hate-filled post like this gets modded +5 Insightful.

Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act. How many mosques have you seen speak out against ISIS and Islamist terrorism?

Yeah, they speak out all the time, though you wouldn't know it by reading the mainstream media. Every major terrorist event is generally followed by loads of denunciations by prominent Muslim leaders. And then there's stuff like this, where 70,000 Muslim clerics have issued a fatwa against terrorist acts.

The Islamist terrorist activities are encouraged by their "holy" books. .... I encourage everyone to read the Koran.

I'd encourage people to read other sacred texts written over a 1000 years ago when violence was much more common and compare. For example, have a look at the stuff in the Bible. Just one of those verses from Leviticus motivates dozens of killings of homosexuals every year, for example. But you don't tend to hear as much about them, because they tend to be individual killings. The main difference between Christianity/Judaism and Islam in terms of "holy" books (as you put it) is that the former tend to ignore the tenets of their scriptures more these days... compared to say a few centuries ago when they happily went around killing people in God's name too. (Heck, even in the 20th century you had genocides partially motivated by Christian sectarianism.)

The Western world has been shielded from this truth for too long. We can share a planet. We cannot share a country with these folks.

And it's people with views like this that are playing directly into the hands of the terrorists -- and by terrorists, I mean actual terrorist leaders and those motivated by political/religious ideology, not this numbnuts in France who from recent reports appears to be far from motivated by ideology. The reports are still early, but if recent media stories and interviews with family members and neighbors are to be believed, this guy was just a whackjob with a previous arrest for road rage and whose personal life had self-destructed. He doesn't appear to have been religious at all, drinking, doing drugs, eating pork, never attending services, etc.

So what about the reports that he shouted "Allahu akbar!" during the killings? Well, if he did, he was probably playing into the "terrorist" fantasy world you're putting him into.

If you don't mind, I'm not going to dignify him by calling him a "terrorist" -- that's insulting to actual politically motivated folks who feel the need to act violently in the name of an ideology. I'll just call this guy "Numbnuts," which is the level of respect he deserves.

From recent reports, it appears that Numbnuts was a depressed loner. In the past, some idiotic coward afraid of dealing with his own life might have quietly offed himself with a gun to the head in his own house, or maybe jumped off a bridge or something. Or maybe he would have "gone postal" and killed some family or coworkers just to take some of the people he hated with him. (Note that term go postal, remember that? Dozens of incidents of postal workers shooting up people over a decade, and I don't remember anyone calling for them all to be deported... sure no incidents on this scale, but still.)

Anyhow, Numbnuts here doesn't sound like a terrorist. He was just a screwed-up lunatic with a death wish. And if he shouted some Muslim phrase at the end, it's probably because he read some BS on the internet and people like you af

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR TERROR

Shut the fuck up and come at me bro, my balls be braver.

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Kjella]

Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act. How many mosques have you seen speak out against ISIS and Islamist terrorism?

You do realize that the vast majority of the land that they have conquered was already Muslim? They wouldn't need to do that, if they were on the same side. If you're asking why they don't fight back or start a popular uprising, it's a regime of terror by religious fanatics who've consistently shown there's no end to their savagery. What do you think happens to those who resist? Easy for you to say they should get themselves and their family tortured, slaughtered and heads put on a stake.

That's not to say the rest are all good, mosques want to spread Islam and there's a lot of shitty values that don't mix well with democracy, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech and so on. But they want to it by propaganda and mass slaughter of innocents isn't very likely to bring converts. Terror is an attempt by IS to cause anti-Muslim sentiments so the 99,99% of Muslims that aren't part of IS will join them. I'm sure you can read the book and discuss who is the "real" Islam all day, but in practice Islamic countries haven't been this intolerant of religious minorities for a very, very long time.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh wait, what do you mean those environmentalists are starting to whine, and the nimby's are so uptight that their assholes are where their mouths are? And there's a brain dead president in power that doesn't want to do anything and impose more bans on developing those sites or continues with the environmentalist anti-nuke policies.

Solution and answer are right there and could end it all in 30 years.

Spoken by someone who truly does not know what the fuck they are talking about.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Also spotted: the naive fool with his head in the sand whilst being fist fucked by the establishment. Go back to watching sport, leave the serious conversations to people with brains.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Plumpaquatsch]

So one more country supporting his thesis - the US has been a major supporter of terrorists for decades.

Spotted the whack job pining for Che Guevera to execute some more innocents in the name of revolution!

Spotted the whack job who denies the US supported the people who blew up Cubana Flight 455.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[kbahey]

The Nice attacker "... did not seem overtly religious. Locals said he was often seen drinking beer and never attended the small mosque near his block of flats. ... had been in trouble with police between 2010 and 2016 for threatening behaviour, violence and petty theft. In March, a court in Nice convicted him of assaulting a motorist with an improvised weapon - a wooden pallet ... "

Source: BBC.

The Paris attackers (the two Abdeslam brothers, one who blew up himself, and the other one who was arrested) owned a bar serving alcohol and were not religious either. They did not attend a mosque. There were drugs in that bar too, and neighbours complained.

Source: Business Insider.

Other attackers also got in trouble with the law: petty crime, drug dealing, ...etc.

This seems like a recurring theme with Islamic State now. They don't recruit from religiously observant people, like Al-Qaeda used to do. They recruit ex-criminals, apparently seeking salvation by committing a 'martyrdom act'.

But don't let facts stand in the way of prejudice and preconceived ideas ...

From another immigrant Canadian ...

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Opportunist]

That would explain US foreign policy, I give you that...

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Opportunist]

And what atrocities have the birds committed to deserve this kind of treatment?

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Opportunist]

Well, I guess one could say that they're right now killing the native European savages, so ... just asking, ya know...

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Luthair]

Perhaps you should look at the post I responded to. I'm trolling the bigoted coward not offering a serious commentary.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[fustakrakich]

The truth is that, in addition to drought and famine, sexual frustration plays a big part in facilitating recruitment. That, and up to 400-700 US dollars every month with room and board included. When you compare that to the 40 dinars or whatever useless scrip they get paid in the brickyards, the choice looks pretty obvious. However, the government would rather have you all play this religious angle to rile people up here at home. It's very unfortunate to see the majority people falling for it.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[stealth_finger]

Deporting all Muslims is the only way to save western civilization.

That's a good first step but what's your final solution?

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[tnk1]

Uh, did you actually look at that map? It displays exactly what I said, and what the Wikipedia article said. Keystone XL is the dashed blue line. It does not go to Texas.

As I said, the Keystone complex does. And the map shows that. I think you're confused.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[PopeRatzo]

My point is that the Keystone XL pipeline's purpose is to carry oil to the gulf coast for export.

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Plumpaquatsch]

Jester998 wants to cut off your head if you are a muslim.

Re: YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Plumpaquatsch]

Bacon

Vegan.

Re:YOU HAVE TO GO BACK

[Plumpaquatsch]

Actually, the US itself is fairly independent of Saudi oil these days.

The problem is that Europe and China are not.

Bullshit. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/...

i can understand

[Anonymous Coward]

u dont wanna freak ppl out if its just a routine shooting

Re:i can understand

[Anonymous Coward]

It wasn't a ROUTINE shooting. It was a NICE attack. And a pretty darned nice attack it was.
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What? Too soon?

I'm just waiting for....

[cayenne8]

...the democrats to get on the air quickly and start advocating for Banning ALL Assault Trucks immediately!!

;)

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

And if they can't they will limit gas tank capacity, axle width, and armor piercing bumpers as then require that you pass a background check every time you refill at a gas station.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

I rented a large "moving truck" last year. I didn't even need a background check. They didn't even ask why I needed such a big truck

It is scary how easy it is to get a large truck like that.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

Because moving to a new home is somehow suspicious? Oh, that's right, when you live in fear everything is suspicious. The terrorist have won already.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

No no no.. It's "high capacity assault vehicles"

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not a Democrat. I'm a gun owner. I refuse to support any gun control whatsoever as I believe they are all infringements. That said, do you think you could go FIVE MINUTES without turning a tragedy into an opportunity for political grandstanding? Dozens of people are dead and your comment was the very first one posted.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Fire_Wraith]

Banning trucks would only put us at more risk, because the only effective defense against a bad guy with a truck, is a good guy with a truck.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[cayenne8]

'm not a Democrat. I'm a gun owner. I refuse to support any gun control whatsoever as I believe they are all infringements. That said, do you think you could go FIVE MINUTES without turning a tragedy into an opportunity for political grandstanding? Dozens of people are dead and your comment was the very first one posted.

It was a joke for the most part...you know..gallows humor?

Like the old Space Shuttle Challenger jokes that came out minutes after the explosion (mind you, this was before the internet too)....

NASA: Need Another Seven Astronauts.....

That type thing.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually the first post was a hidden anti-Muslim post from an AC, which is a textbook Republican knee-jerk response, even if it is a joke. Red or blue there is always going to be assholes using tragedies to push agendas.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[fustakrakich]

Yes, I am afraid that trying to appear normal is indeed suspicious. Obviously you are hiding something

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess if I have nothing to hide I should be okay with a background check for rending a UPS truck, huh? What's next, a TSA checkpoint at the used car dealership?

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[CrimsonAvenger]

Though in this case, it turned out the only (semi)effective defense against the bad guy with a truck was a good guy with a gun....

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

i bought my truck at a Truck show.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[fustakrakich]

What's next, a TSA checkpoint at the used car dealership?

Should that surprise you? Don't pay cash for that car...

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Mashiki]

...the democrats to get on the air quickly and start advocating for Banning ALL Assault Trucks immediately!!

Considering that a lot of the flappy headed media turned around and were using phrases like "children feared dead as truck attacks family event." It wouldn't surprise me. So far I've seen CBC, NYT, WAPO and CBS all using language that would make you think the truck got up all on it's own and decided to attack people.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Plumpaquatsch]

...the democrats to get on the air quickly and start advocating for Banning ALL Assault Trucks immediately!!

;)

And the NRA has called for everybody to shoot at all trucks coming suspiciously close.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Bowlich]

On a slightly related note.

I'm actually rather surprised how big of a truck you can rent without a CDL. You would think renting a 27' truck, loading it with a few tons of weight and then driving it across the country would require at least a little more cursory check then an old photocopied hand out on how to drive it.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[godrik]

Thanks for making me laugh!
I really needed it after this horrific event.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Lumpy]

The media is certain that guns force people to kill, so trucks must do it as well.

They refuse to deal with the real problem, there are batshit insane people in the world that want to kill others....

Maybe making murder illegal will fix it?

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

So you got your Hertz truck and loaded it up with fertilizer and diesel fuel?

Re: I'm just waiting for....

[Carewolf]

You were already veted, and registered in a government database, and you needed proof of that to rent the car.

It is called a driver's licence.

It is a lot more security than you have with guns.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Maxo-Texas]

All he had to have was one AR weapon and 4 magazines and you'd be looking at 280 dead instead of 80 dead. And he would have probably killed several more police officers too.

Automated cars would prevent terrorism however. Builtin pedestrarian avoidance. Make it impossible to run over a pedestrian and impossible to move if sensors are blinded and automatic wifi-reporting when a vehicle is put in to service mode (it better be at a recognized service location) and constant wifi reporting (if a vehicle goes dark, it becomes suspicious on police checks).

AR type weapons can maintained a sustained rate of fire (including magazine swaps) of 30 shots per 22 seconds while hitting targets smaller than human torsos with a near 100% accuracy rate. Check out the gun enthusiast real time comparison of AR 15 to AK 47 (on youtube). There's a reason NATO declared the AR15 a more effective fighting weapon. Lighter bullets, less kick (you can put it against your nose and pull the trigger without injury also on youtube) means you higher number of bullets (and 5's are fine to kill you. You don't need 7's).

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Maxo-Texas]

People kill people.

Guns make it easier to kill lots of people really fast under more general circumstances than trucks.

I'm sure truck countermeasures will be higher going forward (and if you approach a crowded area with a heavy truck and won't stop, you'll be more likely to be killed by police before you get close to the crowds.

Re: I'm just waiting for....

[cayenne8]

You were already veted, and registered in a government database, and you needed proof of that to rent the car.

It is called a driver's licence.

You don't have to have a license to BUY a car.....you don't even have to have one if you use it on private property.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Mashiki]

The media is certain that guns force people to kill, so trucks must do it as well.

Seems to me there is a lot of political correctness going on, the media(many reporters, editors, and owners) would rather believe it's *anything* other than what it actually is. In many cases those people who were at the front of saying "it's okay, there isn't a big problem" or whatever else, don't have a way out and have to double down on the narrative that they've created rather then saying: "Gee, I guess those awful xyz people(conservative/right wingers/libertarians/etc) were right."

But you're right, they refuse to deal with the problem. It's beyond the scope of batshit insane, there's appears to be a strong ideological bent to do this shit. And the media would rather ignore that too. It is after all, much more difficult to say "yeah, I/we/etc were wrong, now since we fucked up. We all need to fix it." They know if they also said that people's trust(what little there is left) would evaporate.

Maybe making murder illegal will fix it?

Well I like the cut of your jib.

Re: I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

Who needs a truck with room for more than 10 people?

Re: I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

There were plans in Europe to have GPS based speed limits. But that wouldn't work due to the close proximity of motorways to residential streets. Sometimes the distance can be as little as a hard shoulder, grassy bit and a brick wall.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

You should find out if you work with a gun nut (preferably one with an AR15) and ask him to take you to the shooting range. It's just that your post is so full of incorrect regurgitations of already-incorrect mass-media fear mongering. The deadliness you describe is something straight out of science fiction laser weapons. Even in the most trained hands (few of whom are going to be terrorists), the AR15 can't accomplish half of what you describe.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[painandgreed]

...the democrats to get on the air quickly and start advocating for Banning ALL Assault Trucks immediately!!

;)

I believe the Brits are already talking about trying to limit "truck crime".

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[cayenne8]

i bought my truck at a Truck show.

Well, of course Sensible Truck "Safety" laws will include closing the Truck Show loophole. And we need to stop them from purchasing fully Automatic Assault Trucks too!!

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

Commercial licenses are based on weight, not size. People that rent large trucks are typically not the people that drive them, that is, their employer rents it so no license is required. Finally, the key word in CDL is commercial so there's plenty of loopholes.

For reference anything over 10k GVWR requires a chauffeurs license.
Anything over 26k GVWR requires a CDL.
Anything over 26k and a trailer requires a class A.
The same thing for air brakes.
Plus there's several specialized endorsements for things like double trailers or hazmat.
If you are a farmer or working for a farmer and within 50 miles of one, no license is required.
If you are not on public property, no additional license is required beyond a standard operator's license.
The commercial motor carrier books that are given out for free at many state offices are close to an inch thick and have an area dedicated to a long list of these regulations.

Logistics and truck driving are surprisingly much more complicated than the typical "stupid trucker" meme amongst the professional crowd would indicate.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

"Guns make it easier to kill lots"

You might have got people to buy that garbage a few days ago, but as this attack proves guns are about the least effective way for a nutjob to inflict mass casualties in a civilian population. Only one other attack even comes comes close (1 attacker, 84 deaths and counting vs Oklahoma City, 2 attackers and 168 deaths) and it also used a large truck. You can outlaw/regulate everything you want but a determined person will simply choose the next implement/soft target at their disposal. We outlawed explosives so they moved on to planes, we locked down planes so they moved to guns, guns were restricted in some areas so they moved to trucks, the list goes on and on. You target the individual, not the tools. To do differently only impinges on the rights and opportunities for millions and has little to no effect on the infinitesimally small number of crazies.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[cayenne8]

All he had to have was one AR weapon and 4 magazines and you'd be looking at 280 dead instead of 80 dead.

Hmm...he'd have to have been a REALLY good shot to kill 280 people more with an AR-15 and 4 magazine??

Let's see, 4 x 30 shots each, is 120 total bullets. So, 120 if each and every one of those was an individual kill shot....so, he's have to kill 4 people with each bullet to get to the 280 mark.

Now THAT would be quite the marksman...

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

"one AR weapon and 4 magazines and you'd be looking at 280 dead"

Except that has been done several times and the number of dead rarely exceed a few dozen. People generally don't line up and calmly wait to be shot dead, they run or fight when someone is trying to kill them. Its pretty easy for a few dozen people to tackle some nut shooting up a beach with an AR, it is practically impossible for those same people to stop a multi-ton vehicle.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

I think Harrison Ford demonstrated how to do exactly that in _Indiana Jones: The Last Crusade_.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[AmiMoJo]

The only 100% effective method is to start addressing the problem about a decade before the guy gets to the stage where he wants to commit mass murder.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

The only defense against a bad guy with a truck, is a good guy with an RPG. Quick, send RPGs to every school in merica.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[ultranova]

It was a joke for the most part...you know..gallows humor?

It was gallows humor. You still used dead children to reaffirm your political identity. Well congratulations, mission accomplished.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly... but it will not stop the very uneducated from continuing to parrot how guns enable people to go on murder sprees and how evil they are.

I feel sad for that person, they seem to not be able to think for themselves and simply repeat what they are told.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[wyHunter]

You don't think they don't already want to do this ? The current administration has been whining about IC vehicles for 8 years.

Re: I'm just waiting for....

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Trump will build brick walls!

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Nidi62]

I rented a large "moving truck" last year. I didn't even need a background check. They didn't even ask why I needed such a big truck

It is scary how easy it is to get a large truck like that.

If the truck is black with plastic trim does that make it an assault truck?

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[cayenne8]

It was gallows humor. You still used dead children to reaffirm your political identity. Well congratulations, mission accomplished.

Hmm...I"m guessing it is too soon, then, for any classic "dead baby" joke, eh?

;)

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Maxo-Texas]

AR 15s have 50 shot and 100 shot magazines.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com...
http://www.impactguns.com/ar15...

And you can see the comparison here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

22 seconds for 30 on target shots with targets much smaller than a human torso.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Anonymous Coward]

The gun is, always has been, and always will be first and foremost a weapon designed with the express intent of killing people.

Trucks, less so.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Maxo-Texas]

Maxo-texas said "All he had to have was one AR weapon and 4 magazines and you'd be looking at 280 dead instead of 80 dead. And he would have probably killed several more police officers too.

Automated cars would prevent terrorism however. Builtin pedestrarian avoidance. Make it impossible to run over a pedestrian and impossible to move if sensors are blinded and automatic wifi-reporting when a vehicle is put in to service mode (it better be at a recognized service location) and constant wifi reporting (if a vehicle goes dark, it becomes suspicious on police checks).

AR type weapons can maintained a sustained rate of fire (including magazine swaps) of 30 shots per 22 seconds while hitting targets smaller than human torsos with a near 100% accuracy rate. Check out the gun enthusiast real time comparison of AR 15 to AK 47 (on youtube). There's a reason NATO declared the AR15 a more effective fighting weapon. Lighter bullets, less kick (you can put it against your nose and pull the trigger without injury also on youtube) means you higher number of bullets (and 5's are fine to kill you. You don't need 7's)."

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How about another actor maintaining over 1 shot per second with accuracy on targets as small as a bowling pin after 4 months training. Note: This is a mixture of AR like weapons, shotguns, and handguns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

The effective range of AR-15 is over 400 yards fired semi-automatic.
http://www.diffen.com/differen...

That means with decent training and no exceptional skill you can hit everything you shoot at under 100' away.

Summary: The death count (especially among the police officers) could have been much much higher if the person owned a modern AR type rifle and spent a few months training to use it and swap magazines.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Maxo-Texas]

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I've done the research.

Guns enable people to go on murder sprees much easier (short of a festival, the truck deaths would have been much lower).

On the plus side, I agree guns are not evil. They are not suited to areas with high population densities.

However, in dallas, they did have one lgbt protestor give his AR-15 to the police to use quickly at the start as the police were outgunned and it would be suicidal to be carrying a weapon like that if you were not wearing a police uniform during a mass shooting.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[bangular]

Mod this up a thousand times. We need to start addressing the fact that people are the ones carrying this stuff out. If we can understand them and why they do it, maybe we can intervene years in advance. We seem obsessed with getting rid of the tools for destruction and/or stopping them 30 seconds before they act.

After 9/11 one of my neighbors had a sign on his lawn "Kill 'em all and let god sort them out." That pretty much sums up the world's interest in understanding the brains of terrorists.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[beastofburdon]

Yes, also if you attach a trailer to it. In that case it is an assault truck due to its high capacity magazine.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[beastofburdon]

You mean that you believe what you have been told. The "research" you have looked at is extremely biased to favor gun confiscation. No other research on guns has been allowed in the US or any other western country for over 100 years.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[beastofburdon]

And you are completely full of shit.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[beastofburdon]

That takes a professional in a low stress environment you fucking retard.
Automated cars preventing terrorism? You obviously don't know a damn thing about guns, but one would think someone on /. would know at least a little bit about computers.
Normally I would tell you to shoot yourself to put you out of everyone else's misery, but you are obviously not competent enough to do it.

Re:I'm just waiting for....

[Maxo-Texas]

Until the police arrive and start firing back, it's a low stress environment for the shooter.

It's irresponsible to encourage people to commit suicide. But it sounds like you know all about being irresponsible.

You tube is full of non professional gun enthusiasts saying and showing how wonderful and easy the AR15 is to use with so little kick you can put it against your nose and pull the trigger with no risk of hurting yourself.

The second someone says the AR15 (and similar weapons) are dangerous after a mass shooting, suddenly the same gun enthusiasts are saying how difficult the weapon is to use.

And then flip it right back around that they'll be easy to use in the second amendment sense to fight government oppression.

It's obvious from non-professional gun enthusiast example videos that these weapons can maintain extremely high rates of fire while easily hitting targets up to 100 yards away.

I'm not sure you are a retard, but you sure are ignorant of the actual facts pertaining to this class of weapons.

If we have another AR police ambush or night club mass shooting, these weapons are going to be restricted. As they should be.

The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Chatterton]

The keyword is "being confirmed". It take time to confirm that a truck running over people is a criminal act and not 'just' an accident.
But in the end this demonstrate that this application is completely un-useful...

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Anonymous Coward]

un-useful...

"useless"

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Rockoon]

The keyword is "being confirmed". It take time to confirm that a truck running over people is a criminal act and not 'just' an accident.

Why exactly does it have to be a confirmed terrorist act first? Seems to me that it doesn't. Send the alert out with the existing relevant info for all suspected terrorist attacks, and then update the alert as more information comes in.

I can only think of one reason not to do it this way, and its because some people for some strange reason feel that it has to be a confirmed terrorist attack first.

You are one such person. Please explain it to us, why exactly does it have to be a confirmed terrorist attack first?

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[vjg]

Um... because that's what they said they said it was for? "According to the ministry, the app would provide users with alerts and information within 15 minutes of a terrorist attack being confirmed." It's a simple case of the current guidelines determining when it should be used. They can certainly change the change the rules for when they use it and, instead, send announcements when something is suspected to be related to terrorism or even simply when something tragic happens. Of course the next step for the next event would be to question a) who said it might be terrorism or b) was the event a big enough tragedy.

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[PPH]

The keyword is "being confirmed".

Right. Because if this was the USA and it turned out to be an old person driving a large sedan, it would have been confirmed as being "Thursday".

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Jack_the_Tripper]

un-useful...

"useless"

Minitrue has declared all pedants guilty of crimethink and must report for unpersonhood double plus-speedwise.

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL.
I was going to say that any idiot knows it isn't an accident when the truck drives for 30 minutes and over a mile like that.
But as an Orlando resident I could see that happening here as a result of it being Thursday.

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Anonymous Coward]

The keyword is "being confirmed". It take time to confirm that a truck running over people is a criminal act and not 'just' an accident.

I think the facts that the driver had a number of guns & grenades in the truck with him, and that he also exchanged gunfire with the police is a very good indicator that this wasn't an accident.

Re: The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Carewolf]

It does not take 30 minutes to drive a mile at 50 mph. Try doing the math. If he hadn't done the whole thing in less than two minutes people would gotten out of way, and police would have killed him faster.

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[thegarbz]

What is the purpose of the app? If the purpose was to keep people away from an incident then why would you need confirmation?

Re:The keyword is "being confirmed"

[Plumpaquatsch]

You are one such person. Please explain it to us, why exactly does it have to be a confirmed terrorist attack first?

Because it's a terrorist alert app, not a something happened alert app.

Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Eloking]

I know that news such as this one always attract criticism about the lack of technology from "some" people ion the community, but as many others /. users have pointed out, /. is also supposed to be about "stuff that matters".

So, my question is, how did it occurred in the editor's compassionless mind that the stupid delay of the terror app was more relevant than the +300 victims of this tragedy?

Re: Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Anonymous Coward]

The editors for the past year have been garbage, but if you point that out you quickly get modded to -1.

Re:Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Anonymous Coward]

I know that news such as this one always attract criticism about the lack of technology from "some" people ion the community, but as many others /. users have pointed out, /. is also supposed to be about "stuff that matters".

So, my question is, how did it occurred in the editor's compassionless mind that the stupid delay of the terror app was more relevant than the +300 victims of this tragedy?

agreed. I was waiting for quite a long time for /. to publish something "that matters" about that.
Thanks editor! Good job :(

Re:Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Anonymous Coward]

more relevant than the +300 victims of this tragedy?

Who gives a fuck? There's billions more people on the planet.

Re: Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[friesofdoom]

LOLO, the irony is killing me XD

Re:Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Kjella]

Well, I do feel /. should try to put a nerd/tech spin on things and not be just another general news source but it requires some tact and delicacy to not come across as "oh and 84 people died too". Maybe something like:

"Bastille Day terror in Nice, Alert App warns three hours later"
"Last night a man drove a truck into a crowded seaside promenade during Bastille Day celebrations in Nice, killing at least 84 people and leaving 18 others in critical condition. The attacker was killed after a firefight with police after about two kilometers. A terror alert app released by the French government last month has come under criticism after taking hours to notify users of the attack. The app, called SAIP was released by the French Interior Ministry on iOS and Android in June, ahead of the Euro 2016 soccer tournament. According to the ministry, the app would provide users with alerts and information within 15 minutes of a terrorist attack being confirmed. But users who had downloaded the app posted phone screenshots to Twitter last night showing that SAIP sent out its first alert just after 1:30 AM local time, nearly three hours after the attack began. Facebook, by contrast, activated its Safety Check feature shortly after the attack was carried out, and French politicians urged those in the area to check in using that feature as SAIP remained silent."

Still not a smooth transition as I heard the truck was moving at 30-40km/h so 2 km would be 3-4 minutes? While the lack of information certainly might have added to the chaos and confusion, I don't think it'd have any practical effect on the outcome in this particular case. In fact, I'm not sure how much good it'll do in any case as for the most part the explosions and gunfire will be all the relevant warning the people in the immediate vicinity need. I guess if there's multiple attackers and one of them screws up early then it might give some advance warning, but really all they have to do is agree on a time. I mean it's not like there's an actual order of events that needs coordination, they just want to go postal at roughly the same time.

Re: Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[tnk1]

I was going to mod him up just to add some irony, but unfortunately, I've already posted on this page.

Re: Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd appreciate it too if the ACs were left at +0 rather than modded down. Slashdot unfortunately seems to have an amount of moderators that actively hate ACs and are willing to downmod them at the slightest tip of a hat.

I mean, there are some ACs who are trying to cause disgust (by e.g. referring to fecal matter) and those can rightfully go to -1 for all I care, but please leave the passable ones untouched. They're under the default threshold and hidden already, dammit. I'm sure there are better posts to use your mod points on.

Re: Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Anonymous Coward]

And now that I logged in to check, I see that the GP AC had no moderation applied at all.

(Anyone knows why slashdot needs one to log in before you can view the moderation breakdown? It wasn't like this back in 2004.)

Re:Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[Eloking]

Well, I do feel /. should try to put a nerd/tech spin on things and not be just another general news source but it requires some tact and delicacy to not come across as "oh and 84 people died too". Maybe something like:

"Bastille Day terror in Nice, Alert App warns three hours later"

I sincerely try to understand your point but I just don't get why. Why do we need to put something "nerdy" when 95% of all discussion will be about the actual tragedy anyway?

Re:Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[thegarbz]

Question for you: Should every single website on the internet feature nothing but the same outpouring of compassion for the 300+ victims, not to mention news papers, TV and radio as well? Should we shut down the world and ban anyone from talking about anything but these 300+ people?

God forbid there was a piece of technology involved some nerds may be interested in. Nope we shouldn't talk about that on slashdot, we should just have the same thing I would get from every single other source of media social or otherwise.

Re:Terror Alert delay is the Insightful news?

[djinn6]

Because despite being a tragedy that hurt hundreds of people, this is only 0.0000014% of the world. This could happen three times a day, everyday, and still not change the future in any measurable way.

Now virtual reality goggles? It might seem inconsequential right now, but that could actually change the world the same way cell phones did.

This will help

[Anonymous Coward]

The solution is simple. Have another "draw muhammad" event!

Re:This will help

[Opportunist]

No hanging and quartering, just drawing?

Re:This will help

[tnk1]

Actually, that could work, if we make sure it is in Texas again. The last two fools who were dumb enough to fall into that trap did not do so well.

All we have to do is manage to have enough events like that so that they Darwin themselves out of existence. Brilliant!

Re:This will help

[Z00L00K]

Would probably work in Russia too.

Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

Last I heard, there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism; it might have just someone going apeshit and committing mass murder.

My guess is that the French government had no idea whether or not it was terrorism, and after 3 hours they just decided to err on the side of caution and issue the alert, just in case.

Of course, that raises the whole question as to why anyone would give a damn what the motive behind a mass murder is, in any situation where they're trying to get information quickly. Regardless of whether the truck driver is politically motivated or not, you want to get the fuck out of his way. It sounds like the very idea of a "terror alert" app just might be amazingly stupid. A "danger alert" app would be a hundred times more useful.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism

The usual suspects in the left-wing media are indeed pushing that line.

Of course, that raises the whole question as to why anyone would give a damn what the motive behind a mass murder is

No, it really doesn't raise the question. Motive is always crucial. Politicians use the motives of mass killers for political capital. There is never any concern for this "question" when politicians can use an event for gun control purposes, for instance.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Nidi62]

Motive is always crucial.

A guy with a history of petty crimes, in the process of getting divorced, and had just been fired from his job. Even with the Muslim name, it sounds more like a guy going postal than anything else.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

Touche. This tragedy was caused simply by another ideology-driven sand nigger who hates the West and her superior values of freedom. It's Islam. Full stop. When the left pulls their head out of their ass, it will likely be too late. I'm voting for Donald Trump because while he's not even close to being an ideal candidate, he's not left. Hillary looks like a female Kim Jong-un or Mao Tse-tung in her dictator pant suit. She and her ilk use any excuse to take guns away from law-abiding citizens. If the shooting of the homosexuals in Orlando was about guns, then the bombing in Boston was about pressure cookers, and the tragedy in France is about trucks.

Muslims, leftists, feminists--they are the enemy, full stop. Their ideologies and "let's take away freedoms" mantra needs to be relegated to the trash heap of bad ideas. America was at her best, ideologically, in the late 1940s and 1950s. We need to return to the mores and morals of that time, excluding of course stuff like segregation and wrong views of women not being equal. Other than those two things, that period of US history was our finest hour, as it were. America was prosperous, growing. Now, we've relegated ourselves to a nation of subservient service-level jobs with no hope for the vast amount of people in this country. There will not be enough meaningful jobs.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

Last I heard, there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism; it might have just someone going apeshit and committing mass murder.

And there is a difference? Remember, one man's terrorists is another's freedom fighter. In France, a democratic country, they are just cold blooded killers w/o any justification.

It does seem though that one particular brand of religion is producing a lot of this kind of thing.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

If he was a Muslim, he bore watching. Full stop. Stop with the leftist, liberal BS. Islam and her adherents and the enemy of the West. Why can't you see this? Islam is not compatible with superior Western mores and values. It's not. You know this deep down. This multiculturalism BS is killing the West. Islam is not compatible. Take a look at schools in the EU and some even in the US that forbid pork in school lunches, either made on campus or brought in by students because it may offend the little jihadi sand niggers. This is the West. I'm not under Sharia law and NEVER WILL BE. I would rather be dead than under the boot of some sand nigger ideology. I will never be politically correct for anyone. This is America. My forefathers fought and died that I would be free--free from tyranny, free from ideology, free from political correctness. I'm free. Free to believe what I will and NOT be subjected to the beliefs of others.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

> there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism

Right... the guy ramming his box truck into ~300 people (84 dead, 200+ injured as of this morning), while accelerating, firing a machine gun, and shouting "Allahu Akbar" the entire time (as reported by eye witnesses), might NOT have been terrorism... There was no period in time where there was considerable evidence of anything BUT terrorism. Anyone on the scene knew what the deal was, the first responders knew, the cops that pumped dozens of bullets into him knew, etc.

> A "danger alert" app would be a hundred times more useful.

Agree 100%... Ultimately the motivation does not matter. The app is worthless if it does not immediately alert to ALL proximate danger.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[johannesg]

Last I heard, there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism; it might have just someone going apeshit and committing mass murder.

According to various sources the driver was shouting "allahu akbar" (search for it on Google or read the wikipedia article if you do not believe me). Guns and grenades were found in the vehicle after the attack as well. I'm not sure how that could leave any doubt about whether it was terrorism or not.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

>why anyone would give a damn what the motive behind a mass murder is, in any situation where they're trying to get information quickly. Regardless of whether the truck driver is politically motivated or not, you want to get the fuck out of his way.

One obvious reason is that if it's a terror attack, one might suspect increased risk of OTHER terror attacks in a similar time frame. Typically, with non-terrorist mass murders, they're isolated events.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

Does it really matter ?

"damn, someone detonated a bomb on a long distance train killing 500 people ....phew, luckily it wasn't an act of terrorism, just some retard... ...now, how do I exit this wagon with all the dead bodies blocking the door?"

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[swb]

A guy with a history of petty crimes, in the process of getting divorced, and had just been fired from his job.

That's the new recruiting criteria for ISIS affiliates. People who only ever had it together in a marginal sense going through yet another crisis realizing they can now be somebody by killing a bunch of people in the name of some religious identity they barely have.

These people are Travis Bickle from the movie "Taxi Drivier" except rather than focusing their simple minded rage and failure on crime, they're focusing it on the larger society they only sort of fit into, and usually only sort of fitting into it for reasons that have nothing to do with their religious identity.

In many ways,the Dallas cop shooting was an ISIS attack in all but name -- disaffected loser unable to reconcile his place in life with his own actions, lashing out at the part of society he blamed for it in the name of a larger and more righteous cause. That shooter just chose to identify with some kind of black power mindset rather than Islamic terrorism.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[tnk1]

Well, terrorism has a higher chance of coordinated secondary attacks. If it is just a random guy in a truck who cracked up and went bezerk, it would probably not concern the rest of France. If it is a terrorist attack, you may want to avoid public areas for a little while to be safe.

Granted, an app for an attack already in practice seems about as likely to help as a duck and cover drill.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Tailhook]

I'm not sure how that could leave any doubt about whether it was terrorism or not.

There isn't any doubt among the French at least. Hollande has called this terrorism, and Islamic terrorism at that. The only people trying to muddy these waters are the smirking class liberals that haven't had anyone they care about run over, blown up or shot yet.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

""Allahu Akbar" the entire time (as reported by eye witnesses)"

As noted/confirmed by whom? When the Texas shooting took place I had co-workers telling me that it was confirmed that it was done by multiple gunman and they had several in custody. What did I find out the next day when looking it up? Only one gunman, all evidence pointed to that fact. Whenever something terrible like this happens people jump to their favorite whipping boys (Guns, Muslims, Minorities, etc) and any rumor that backs that view instantly becomes fact for them. This moves through society like a spoken from memory story, becoming more and more outlandish with each telling and only after time and some measure of calm does the real story start to come out.

Re:Is it even yet confirmed as terrorism?

[Anonymous Coward]

Did you use a pogostick to jump to all those conclusions? Did you pull the pogostick out of your ass with the aforementioned conclusions?

Fun with trucks.

[Anonymous Coward]

There is a new game in France which is now more popular than Pokemon Go.
The rules, run over as many peope as possible with your truck. Current High Score: 84 points.

Re:Fun with trucks.

[Opportunist]

Burnout did that ages ago, that's not new.

When will they get it?

[Trachman]

There are many problems that cannot be solved with the app. Not the terrorism.

This app was a scam by design: there are little benefits of knowing of attack 15 minutes after it took place.

Reality is that the app was just another project to skim money from government, like they have skimmed thousands of times before that. Remember the $2 million app that randomizes whether to go to left or to the right? Reality is that once money have been consumed, those who made profit moved on and they no longer care. Also, reality is that you cannot buy complete security for the amount of resources is limited, yet security risks are infinite. If the app gets sued it will eventually become clear that the app cannot be litigated and has no responsibility to notify you, as decided by the courts http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06...

Reality is that the attacker was stopped by the first man with a firearm.

Reality is that automatic and semi-automatic gun ownership just got another solid, not even a theoretical card, to use when defending the gun ownership from nutty gun fearing zealots. Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.

And no. Let's not ban the trucks.

Re:When will they get it?

[swb]

This app was a scam by design: there are little benefits of knowing of attack 15 minutes after it took place.

I guess it depends on whether or not the attack duration is longer than 15 minutes. If a group of guys is roaming a downtown area with RPKs and grenades for an hour and a half, I might want to know what parts of town to avoid, even if they don't tell me for 30 minutes after it started.

It might even be useful to know if you're not danger close, so you have some understanding why roads or closed or people are running away like it was the zombie apocalypse.

Around here in the Midwest, we get weather alerts on our phones even though we already know its storming or if whatever tornado has already touched down elsewhere. I'd think of the terrorist alert as really just a civil defense alert, like any other civil emergency, such as weather or wildfires.

Re:When will they get it?

[Ogive17]

Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.

I don't know how long it took that guy to plow through the crowd but I am quite positive no one in that crowd would have had the time, situational analysis, and space to end the threat without taking out more innocent bystanders.

I'm not anti-gun, there are just very few people trained to respond with deadly force in traumatic situations. Your average citizen is not one of them. Your average citizen is going to protect their own life by getting the fuck out of the way.

Re:When will they get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

there are little benefits of knowing of attack 15 minutes after it took place.

Uhr?!?

Suppose there were a huge mass murder a few miles away from you, 15 minutes ago. It follows that there are going to be a lot of emergency vehicles in that area, and quickly moving from/to it. You don't want to be driving anywhere around there, for both selfish and altruistic reasons. And of course there's the "what's with all the sirens I'm hearing?" You're not even curious? Are you sure the building next door isn't on fire?

I've covered merely the vehicular aspect, and this issue is already a slam-dunk in that tiny dimension alone. Hell yes you want information; that's why you're on the Internet right now.

Re:When will they get it?

[PPH]

Reality is that the attacker was stopped by the first man with a firearm.

Actually, no. Video made of the truck just getting started shows French police shooting at it. It continued on for at least a mile. One or two snap shots aren't going to have much change of stopping something like a truck. The truck stopped on its own, then they killed the driver.

Re:When will they get it?

[Kjella]

Reality is that the attacker was stopped by the first man with a firearm. Reality is that automatic and semi-automatic gun ownership just got another solid, not even a theoretical card, to use when defending the gun ownership from nutty gun fearing zealots. Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.

If he had an automatic rifle, would he need a truck? Just spray and pray, when it's packed with people you're going to hit somebody. And if you pull a gun, are you a terrorist or a good guy? During that police shooting in Dallas, you had 20-30 open carry activists in the crowd. How many of them pulled out their guns to try help shoot the bad guy? I'm guessing none, because they wanted to live. I'm sure there were many police officers along that parade, as France is still in a state of emergency. That doesn't mean firing into the driver's seat of a truck that's ramming through a crowd would be easy. If you look at that truck it was riddled with bullet holes, it took a lot more than one bullet to bring him down...

Re:When will they get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Had the Dallas shooter been out in the open, I am positive there would have been conceal and carry citizens opening up on him. To bad for your argument that he was in a sniper position and even the police he was shooting down had no idea where the fire was coming from.

Re:When will they get it?

[SuiteSisterMary]

This is the same point I try to make a lot.

There's been a lot of research since WW2 in to what it takes to actually get somebody to be able to respond appropriately in a 'deadly force encounter.' A two day CCW course isn't it. By and large, police training isn't it, either.

Unless you're doing regular training exercises, in real life, using something like simunition, you are very likely to simply be useless when something happens.

Re:When will they get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

If he had an automatic gun he could have killed a lot more people even easier. This is a good example of guns being a BAD idea.

Re:When will they get it?

[stephanruby]

Reality is that automatic and semi-automatic gun ownership just got another solid, not even a theoretical card, to use when defending the gun ownership from nutty gun fearing zealots.

Let's not get carried away. These were trained policemen shooting at the truck, not civilians.

And even counting the latest terrorist attacks, the per capita murder rate in France is still seven times less than in the United States. Not to mention, the muslim population in France is around 10% of the entire population, which is way more than in the US.

What are we supposed to believe? Guns and trucks don't kill people. Mostly American people kill people.

Re:When will they get it?

[Carewolf]

Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.

I don't know how long it took that guy to plow through the crowd but I am quite positive no one in that crowd would have had the time, situational analysis, and space to end the threat without taking out more innocent bystanders.

Armed police was in the crowd, and armed police took him out within a few hundred seconds of the start of the attack.

Still no reason for anyone else to carry arms, it was already covered by armed professionals, and they responded immediately.

Re:When will they get it?

[Solandri]

I am quite positive no one in that crowd would have had the time, situational analysis, and space to end the threat without taking out more innocent bystanders.

I'm not saying an armed public is the answer. But this is the wrong way to analyze the situation. The proper threshold isn't "without taking out more innocent bystanders." That's an impossible-to-achieve zero-failure standard.

The proper threshold is: can someone end the threat, while on average taking out fewer innocent bystanders than would die if the threat is allowed to continue?

It's the "train will derail and kill everyone if you do nothing, train will be saved if you switch it to a different track but it will run over a child walking on the tracks" conundrum. People really dislike an innocent death happening as a consequence of their direct action, so much so that they'll prefer inaction even if it results in more deaths, and they'll criticize decisions by others to reduce the net fatality count at the cost of a few innocents.

Re:When will they get it?

[Solandri]

"train will derail and kill everyone if you do nothing, train will be saved if you switch it to a different track but it will run over a child walking on the tracks"

"train will derail and might kill everyone if you do nothing". Ugh, what a whopper of a typo.

Re:When will they get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

What's that? They didn't unshoulder their rifles and begin shooting wherever the sniper might have been? They acted responsibly? Impossible! They were gun nuts! Everyone knows they would have done something stupid that got more people killed. Nah, can't be that they know the difference between firing on an active shooter they can see, and taking up a rifle and then hunting a target down. It's funny, how often the accusation is thrown that gun nuts are just overgrown children who think life is an action movie...but when they act contrary to this, they're criticized.
Hey, how come no one tried tackling the driver of the truck?

Re:When will they get it?

[ultranova]

It's the "train will derail and kill everyone if you do nothing, train will be saved if you switch it to a different track but it will run over a child walking on the tracks" conundrum. People really dislike an innocent death happening as a consequence of their direct action, so much so that they'll prefer inaction even if it results in more deaths, and they'll criticize decisions by others to reduce the net fatality count at the cost of a few innocents.

The problem with applying Philosophy 101 to real life is that in real life decisions have more effects than just immediate ones. For example, if you convince people it's okay to kill innocents for a worthy cause, you're making terrorist recruiter's mission far easier - after all, they then just have to convince a potential recruit that theirs is such a cause.

Re:When will they get it?

[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

Well, you'll never know, will you?

Re:When will they get it?

[thegarbz]

there are little benefits of knowing of attack 15 minutes after it took place.

Not every attack takes place in seconds and then is over. As Paris and Brussels showed there were multiple attacks around the city not necessarily at the same time and some well after 15minutes after the first. The app's specific purpose may have been dubious but there are many countries with alert systems, e.g. Rotterdam which has an alert system that is both fixed (air-raid sirens) and works via cell phone and is localised to boot with people in a specific area getting alerts regardless of carrier, app or phone model.

Reality is that the attacker was stopped by the first man with a firearm.

Reality is that automatic and semi-automatic gun ownership just got another solid, not even a theoretical card, to use when defending the gun ownership from nutty gun fearing zealots. Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.

The attacker was stopped by a completely unarmed man after trained police men with firearms weren't able to shoot him down. The irony if your stupid pro-gun lobby riding on the publicity of this tragedy is absolutely delicious. You are a moron, and despicable one at that considering your lobby in the wake of this tragedy. Take your stupid barbarian everyone should be able to shoot everyone whenever they want view back to the cave you crawled out from.

Re:When will they get it?

[thegarbz]

Better still, the attacker was stopped by an unarmed member of the public. The police with all their superior firepower (all the guy had was a revolver and a truck) didn't manage to bring him down.

Re:When will they get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, how come no one tried tackling the driver of the truck?

Because he was driving a truck at the time.

Re:When will they get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

This is the same point I try to make a lot.

There's been a lot of research since WW2 in to what it takes to actually get somebody to be able to respond appropriately in a 'deadly force encounter.' A two day CCW course isn't it. By and large, police training isn't it, either.

Unless you're doing regular training exercises, in real life, using something like simunition, you are very likely to simply be useless when something happens.

False. The vast majority of people who went into combat in WW2 did not have training that comes close to meeting those criteria. Some RAF fighter pilots had never fired their guns at a moving target before they went into combat! Much of the infantry training emphasized rife accuracy at static targets, which had very little to do with real combat. Very few units trained while having live rounds being fired at them, let alone explosions in close proximity.

These people were not useless. The vast majority were able to react appropriately once they found themselves in real combat. If that wasn't the case, the war would have been lost very quickly. Veterans did better, of course - there was usually some delay before the first-timers reacted (which made the new people extremely vulnerable to veterans on the other side).

There are many accounts of combat that support this. In Norway, a shooting club with minimal military training - led by a regular military officer - stopped a German parachute unit (elite troops) from capturing the Norwegian government. See "Norway 1940" [Kersaudy].

It is important to remember that once somebody goes crazy, there are likely to be casualties, and a fast violent response - when appropriate - is likely to minimize total casualties.

Extra training, ongoing continuous training of the sort you describe, is what military hostage rescue units do. It costs millions of dollars a year, so much so that not many people can get that training, and they probably won't be around to help in most real situations.

Re:When will they get it?

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't know how long it took that guy to plow through the crowd but I am quite positive no one in that crowd would have had the time, situational analysis, and space to end the threat without taking out more innocent bystanders.

It's called friendly fire. There's nothing friendly about it, of course. Gallows humor. You also hear the term 'own goal'.

It's part of the price of stopping bad guys. Probably always been that way. Only in Hollywood movies can the good guys expect to win without innocent casualties. Those are fantasies, don't mistake them for real life.

In a situation like this (or the similar incident in Florida USA recently), it's highly likely that the total death count will be less if somebody responds immediately with deadly force, even if that means the possibility of hitting an innocent bystander. Not only does the bad guy have less time to do evil, but emergency medical can get in much sooner, potentially saving lives that would otherwise be lost. This is one of the reasons why the 3 hour delay in the police response at Orlando was completely inexcusable.

You can be certain the police departments around the world will be taking note of both these incidents, and revising their rules of engagement accordingly, if they are allowed to. Whether or not the liberal members of the public will understand the need to engage targets early remains to be seen.

I'm not anti-gun, there are just very few people trained to respond with deadly force in traumatic situations. Your average citizen is not one of them. Your average citizen is going to protect their own life by getting the fuck out of the way.

There are a lot more people trained that way than you might expect. Many countries have mandatory military training for all males. France phased this out about 15 years ago.

Had this happened in Israel, where a lot of people have training and carry, the terrorist would (in all likelihood) have been gunned down much earlier.

Having said that, once the police show up, getting out of the way is the best thing members of the public can do. No sense complicating the decision making of the officers.

Re:When will they get it?

[Plumpaquatsch]

Well, you'll never know, will you?

Well, you could get some gun nuts to reenact it - http://www.nydailynews.com/new...

Nice, Nice, Very Nice

[Anonymous Coward]

VonnegutNot.

Re:Nice, Nice, Very Nice

[Tetch]

busy busy busy, I think .....

Their planning session

[penguinoid]

The leader asked if anyone knew a nice target.

took at least 16 hours

[Anonymous Coward]

for slashdot to publish something about that

This is the fault of LUDDITES.

[Anonymous Coward]

If France had appy app appers running their apps instead of LUDDITES, then everything would be super appy!

Apps!

Missing The Point

[Afty0r]

The point of this app was to generate profit for the company developing it, not to do anything useful. To expect it to be useful is naive in the extreme.

Re:Missing The Point

[Anonymous Coward]

Isn't that the point of every app? Like TornadoGuard for example...

Toward civil war

[Anonymous Coward]

France is heading into civil war. Add another million or so hate-filled young Mohammads and there will be enough military age Muslims to challenge the population of France for control. Once it kicks off in Paris there will be a rapid influx of fighters from other EU nations and the French will be caught flat footed.

Re:Toward civil war

[Anonymous Coward]

One word: Frexit

Re:Toward civil war

[Plumpaquatsch]

France is heading into civil war. Add another million or so hate-filled young Mohammads and there will be enough military age Muslims to challenge the population of France for control. Once it kicks off in Paris there will be a rapid influx of fighters from other EU nations and the French will be caught flat footed.

Good news for you: a third of the dead were Muslims, far above the rate in France's population.

The terrorist did your bidding. Your are the IS.

Time to Start Profiling

[Anonymous Coward]

The US is the only major country that does not profile. It's time. Japan just passed a law to do so. Israel does so. So do so many others. The problem is Muslims and their ideology. So many here on /. are liberals and they think it's wrong. It's wrong letting a once beautiful set of Western nations be tainted with the likes of Muslims and their Sharia ideology. Here's the thing. I have family in European countries as well as in the USA. It's Islam, stupid. When are we going to wake up and realize the notion of a melting pot society is not compatible with Muslims. Full stop. Be offended. I don't much care.

I don't want Muslims in my neighborhood. I doubt they would ever be made welcome. I doubt the local town I live in would ever approve a fucking mosque being built. Mosques are breeding grounds for jihadists. All of them. Not all Muslims are radicals, true, but all Muslims are in favor of Sharia law. Polls have shown this. Sharia law has ZERO right to operate in the West. ZERO. We don't want it, hell, if most Americans were honest, we don't want Muslims of any stripe in this country. Look at Dearborn, Michigan and other places that are now Muslim run. Do we really want them on city councils and school boards? Honestly, the correct answer is no. In some schools, there are so many little jihadis in training that kids are forbidden to bring in pork in their lunches because it offends the little sand niggers. This is America. We operate only on Western sensibilities and values, never respecting the beliefs of a false political system like Sharia law. Make no mistake, Islam is not a religion--it's a political system with a religious element. Look it up for yourself.

I will never welcome Muslims into my area and likely will no one I know. I'm looking forward to a time where Muslims realize they are not wanted and they go to where they should have gone--to another Muslim country. Notice that Saudi Arabia doesn't want these sand nigger refugees? They understand the trouble it brings.

Muslim men rape Western women--a death penalty case in itself if but we had the balls. Time to really look at why Muslims and Western culture are mutually exclusive. I don't give a damn what liberals think about being multicultural. Call me a bigot. I don't care. These damn milquetoast liberals want to take guns from law abiding citizens. No. Guns are not the problem. Islam and similar ideologies are the problem. If all those homosexuals in Orlando getting killed was about guns, then the Boston bombing was about pressure cookers. And now our latest killing spree by sand niggers was by truck in France. I'm praying France starts rounding these people up like the dogs they are and deporting them--by force if need be.

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[cayenne8]

And if they can't they will limit gas tank capacity, axle width, and armor piercing bumpers as then require that you pass a background check every time you refill at a gas station.

Well, come on..lets be *reasonable*..I mean, who needs 30 gallons of gas JUST to go hunting, you know?

What we need are Common Sense Truck Laws...at this point, even 80% of truck owning Americans agree with this.

Next week, we also need to take up knife and folding chair safety legislation, you just never know what one of these terrorist bastards will pick up next to kill with....

Fucking Terrorists

[Anonymous Coward]

This is why France can't have Nice things.

The editors breathe a sigh of relief

[Anonymous Coward]

They finally found an article with a "News for Nerds" angle, so they can post a story they know will generate 500+ comments.

Force them back

[p51d007]

Round them up, deport them. If they don't like it? Too bad. The "progressive", "politically correct", types caused all of this problem. The 60's rejects are pretty much running the world these days, and their "I'd like to teach the world to sing/live in harmony" crap just ain't cutting it. I know there are people fleeing those areas of the middle east & Africa that are trying to save themselves, but enough is enough. Unless Europe, and the rest of the world takes a hard line stand, it's going to continue.

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Nice attacks.

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, if they did ban large trucks, it would have an aesthetic result on these attacks. We wouldn't be having these nice attacks anymore - they'd be bad attacks.

Title?

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh you meant "It took nearly three hours for France's terror alert app to respond to Nice attack".

Title capitalization is incredibly annoying.

Needs to be re-thought

[Lirodon]

Reading about failures like this makes me appreciate that both Canada and the United States have mandatory systems for the interruption of programming across all broadcasters, regardless of platform, in the event of a public emergency. Apps can help disseminate information, but they should not be constitute the only distribution path besides the media.

NEED TO BAN!

[Anonymous Coward]

TACTICAL LORRIES!

Nobody needs Tactical Lorries, Look, this guy took an unlicensed Lorrie that had a high capacity that nobody needs and killed so many people with it.

When will you people WAKE UP?

We need to Ban any sale of a Lorrie that has high capacity and is obviously only useful for killing.

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[Anonymous Coward]

But wait, republicans won't let democrats do background checks to prevent known terrorists (and bad drivers) to get assault vehicles!

Full disclosure: I don't give a fuck about American politics - I'm not from the US. It's just funny watching you guys fight like this.

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[JackieBrown]

That is great! I really want to steal that and post it on my facebook.

If I hadn't already marked you as a friend so your posts would stand out, I'd be marking you now.

If not for poles you'd all say "allah akbar"

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: In Vienna, outnumbered 100's:1 we drove back the muslim hordes & they NEVER tried it again. They had the rest of Europe scared (due to numbers), but not our general Sobieski (the king, yes, but not him).

Due to the lands we possess (best in Europe in Southern Poland alongside the Ukraine nearby it) we could feed and field an army of that size... we hold that land due to the above & always will. It's why slavs run that side of the planet. We take NO shit. None.

Including that of the EU. We told them to "F'off" too on the attempts @ infiltration the muslim hordes are reduced to now. Yes, that's ALL that bullcrap is. Don't believe me? Listen to a few of their religious leaders lately. They literally TELEGRAPH it.

* Very proud of the tribe I descend from...

APK

P.S.=> Anyone wonder WHY they ended up in desert sands, ages ago? Don't - They were driven there by the rest of us due to how they behave along w/ their "convert by fire & sword" NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE beliefs - Iirc, the greeks did the same to the persians as well (& the morons NEVER learn, they cannot defeat us, ever - they're made of the WRONG material is why, we're not) - fools... Next time, it's going to be nuclear teardrops dropped all OVER their asses instead I predict - they just do NOT seem to learn their lesson... apk

Re: If not for poles you'd all say "allah akbar"

[dunkelfalke]

Poland rules exactly nothing. It is just a place Germans and Russians go through when they are at war with each other.

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[quenda]

What we need are Common Sense Truck Laws...at this point, even 80% of truck owning Americans agree with this.

You mean like licensing truck drivers? Keeping trucks registered? Requiring all trucks to be fitted with an ignition lock, and key removed when parked?

Sorry, no way will Americans accept such restrictions. The right to drive trucks is an inalienable liberty.

Waiting for the implementation of the "No Drive li

[Anonymous Coward]

I am waiting for the implementation of the "No Drive list" and the associated bill for the "No drive, No buy" bill in congress.

How long until they declared it terror attack?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's not an app that notifies you when something tragic happens. It notifies you when they declare an event a terror-related event. When did they declare it was terror-related vs some drunk idiot driving his van through places he shouldn't be driving it through.

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[Anonymous Coward]

.... Requiring all trucks to be fitted with an ignition lock, and key removed when parked?

Might want to triple check your source on that one, chief.

Gun Nut.

[westlake]

Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.

First you have to be in a sheltered position where you can make the shot cleanly and safely. Second you are aiming at a small moving target protected by tons of metal and laminated glass --- and quite probably in body armor. Third it is night. What lighting there is may be casting strange shadows ---- more confusing than helpful.

NYC has a system that works and is handy as hell

[Anonymous Coward]

Notify NYC has been in place for a year or two now and has worked very well. Except that one time they sent out a WEA for an Amber Alert and had everyone's phones blaring 2:30am (pissing off all 8.4 million residents simultaneously is no easy feat, but they pulled it off).
 
It sends out text messages, emails and has an RSS feed. Subway outages, "police actions", etc. all get texted to you if you subscribe. All my friends use it, it's actually a great system.

Heh. Figures.

[Anonymous Coward]

They must be following the Obama rule of terrorism. It isn't terrorism until 'the motives are clear' which could take as long as it takes to find another retarded euphemism to make it sound NOT like terrorism.

Bloody hell, I hate liberals.

Nice Attack

[loonycyborg]

"Would you kindly allow me to leave this bomb here? I apologize in advance for any possible inconvenience." Even though I understand Nice actually refers to city in France, this headline got me confused for a bit.

What's the difference?

[Xenographic]

> Last I heard, there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism; it might have just someone going apeshit and committing mass murder.

What's the difference, exactly?

It was mass murder not terror.

[Anonymous Coward]

It wasn't CIA funded ISIS, they are just reported to cheer about it in the news.

Stop listening to spy news. Since they were killed 1000's have died all over the globe. Life is life AND death.

Fucking pussy ass kids.

Regular, premium and non terrorist

[Anonymous Coward]

This is actually a really good idea. Obviously we'd call it the equivalent of 'local vore', but I'm all for voting with my wallet to get away from Middle east oil.

Jews

[Anonymous Coward]

And yet another Zionist false-flag attack intended to spread hate and Islamophobia....

Fuck you, Israel.

Obligatory XKCD

[Anonymous Coward]

Somehow this reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/937/

Re:Obligatory XKCD

[aicrules]

Very appropriate.

France vs USA

[nehumanuscrede]

Had this event happened in the US instead of France, our elected idiots would be running around in little circles because they can't blame it on guns this time.

I suppose we would see legislation along the lines of No Fly No Drive or something equally stupid.

The only thing positive to come out of this is the fact this provides irrefutable evidence that no matter how hard you try to ban a thing, folks will find ways to kill one another en masse.

The problem is, and always will be, people.

Re:France vs USA

[Anonymous Coward]

(French here) our elected idiots and those who wish they got elected in the place of the first *are* running around in little circles, blaming about everything they can from immigrants, guns, trucks, CCTV, the other idiots, and then some.

It's a clusterfuck of massive dimensions. Can we go back to blaming the Portugal handball team and laughing at Boris Johnson, please?

Re:France vs USA

[Anonymous Coward]

Pure conjecture pulled from thine ass. You are dumb and should feel dumb for being dumb.

Is its real purpose to help?

[BrendaEM]

Perhaps its meant for something else.

15 minutes after CONFIRMATION

[Anonymous Coward]

The app is supposed to send an alert within 15 minutes of CONFIRMATION that an attack was one of terror. The French government spent three hours trying to mold this into something other than a terror attack before it realized it could not get away with it, and then pulled the trigger.

*WHO* claims Islam is a "religion of peace"?

[Anonymous Coward]

WHO claims Islam is a "religion of peace"?

It sure as shit ain't Muslims - they're too busy either openly calling for or tacitly supporting cutting kaffir heads off.

Maybe because it wasn't terrorism

[GuB-42]

A madman running over people in a crowded street doesn't have to be a terrorist.

In fact this accident looks a lot like what happened in Akihabara, Tokyo in 2008 where a guy ran over people with a rental truck. He was much less successful than the Nice killer, probably because the place was less crowded, so he stepped down and stabbed random people with a dagger. Absolutely no link with terrorism, just a madman, in the US he probably would have been a school shooter or something.

Well, maybe he really is a terrorist but we have no convincing evidence yet, and no claim by any terrorist organization. So for now, I'd say the most sensible hypothesis is that the killer wasn't a terrorist.

Re:Maybe because it wasn't terrorism

[Anonymous Coward]

There is no need to be reasonable and level headed about this. It will stop new terror laws being introduced and slow the decline of democratic process. Please remain in a state of panic so that we can make you feel safe by taking away your freedom.

Introducing Slashdot/Stormfront single sign-in!

[FreeBillClinton]

these comments....

This is why...

[Anonymous Coward]

For americans, the second amendment included military firepower. If just one of those civilians or law officers had a CSWS or an RPG, they could have ended the threat, even if some collateral damage occurred it could have significantly lowered the impact of the overall carnage caused in this case.

That said, what did the French expect to happen when all they had to defend themselves was a constant stream of week old baguettes to try and take out what was obviously a heavily armored bread delivery truck driven by an angry and swarthy middle easterner.

Re:This is why...

[quantaman]

For americans, the second amendment included military firepower. If just one of those civilians or law officers had a CSWS or an RPG, they could have ended the threat, even if some collateral damage occurred it could have significantly lowered the impact of the overall carnage caused in this case.

That said, what did the French expect to happen when all they had to defend themselves was a constant stream of week old baguettes to try and take out what was obviously a heavily armored bread delivery truck driven by an angry and swarthy middle easterner.

Indeed, the way to prevent serious terrorist attacks is to have members of the general public walking around with RPGs.

I merely spoke the truth... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Don't LIKE it, motherfucker? Fuck off... the rest of you were ready to fold your hands, not us.

* We did the SAME vs. the Teutonic knights... have yours? Doubt it.

APK

P.S.=> Whether you like it or not, it's truth... apk

Re:I merely spoke the truth... apk

[dunkelfalke]

Bugger off. I am German. Germany has conquered Poland several times and each and every time it was a pretty easy thing to do. And nowadays Poland is only good as a source of cheap whores.

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[quenda]

Might want to triple check your source on that one, chief.

eh? Whats that mean? Is there no law against leaving keys (traditional or electronic) in the car while unattended in the usa?

France is still in a state of emergency

[Anonymous Coward]

And isn't this the key point. Despite a state of emergency, with all of the power that are said to be needed to spy on the population this still happened.

This isn't an act of terrorism, it is an act of mass murder. It's a good point about the open carry, any police officer seeing a person with a weapon in that situation would be shot, even if they were trying to help.

And if you're a hostage in that situation, you just as likely, perhaps more likely, to be hit with police bullets, as anyone else's. It just shows that all of the bullshit terrorism laws are just a ruse to turn democracies into police states and that it is time to act on reducing the French democracy.

Yet "you & YOURS" ran... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: vs. those muslim hordes. Mine didn't + our dirt's still ours - yours? Thank Merkel for infiltration & what you deal with NOW... we don't.

* You're STILL running...

APK

P.S.=> Plus anyone can pull a sneak attack ala "blitzkrieg" too sucker punching someone that bailed YOUR ASS OUT long beforehand too... apk

Re: Yet "you & YOURS" ran... apk

[dunkelfalke]

Polacks were the one who ran. Without Russians there would be no Poland today. Cowards, just like you are.

By the way: Grunwald, anyone? apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Remember the Teutonic Knights I mentioned earlier? See above...

APK

Wrong w/ your "alternate dimension history"

[Anonymous Coward]

Russia was thrown off during the solidarity movement & yes we did run off the muslim horde when ALL others ran away or got their asses handed to them.

* Russians are slavs too by the way (as are Czechs) - we're merely 'cousins' of a sort & the language is SO similar (most nouns are the same, even some verbs) too...

APK

P.S.=> Your weakness in history is MY strength - just like the germanic dude OVERLOOKED GRUNWALD where GERMANIC TEUTONIC KNIGHTS GOT THEIR ASSES HANDED TO THEM BY POLAND too... apk

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[Anonymous Coward]

You only want to post that on yer facepage because you're a dumbass.

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[Anonymous Coward]

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Terrorist or Tsunami Alert

[Anonymous Coward]

Simple MASS SMS is largely sufficient and is OS independent

Install CCTVs

[NewYork]

UK installed 1 million CCTVs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[beastofburdon]

When watching from the outside it is rather funny watching retards begging the government to take away every means they have to protect themselves. It isn't so funny when those retards are your neighbors begging the government to take away every means you have to protect yourself though.

Re:I'm just waiting for....ban on assault trucks!!

[beastofburdon]

No there isn't.