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It Took Nearly Three Hours For France's Terror Alert App To Respond To Nice Attack (theverge.com)
Amar Toor, reporting for The Verge: A terror alert app released by the French government last month has come under criticism after taking hours to notify users of Thursday night's attack in Nice. The app, called SAIP was released by the French Interior Ministry on iOS and Android in June, ahead of the Euro 2016 soccer tournament. According to the ministry, the app would provide users with alerts and information within 15 minutes of a terrorist attack being confirmed. But it apparently took much longer to send out alerts following last night's attack in Nice, where a man drove a truck into a crowded seaside promenade during Bastille Day celebrations, killing at least 84 people and leaving 18 others in critical condition. Users who had downloaded the app posted phone screenshots to Twitter last night showing that SAIP sent out its first alert just after 1:30AM local time -- nearly three hours after the attack began. Facebook, by contrast, activated its Safety Check feature shortly after the attack was carried out, and French politicians urged those in the area to check in using that feature, as SAIP remained silent.
u dont wanna freak ppl out if its just a routine shooting
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
The keyword is "being confirmed". It take time to confirm that a truck running over people is a criminal act and not 'just' an accident.
But in the end this demonstrate that this application is completely un-useful...
Yep, why take chances in which ones are good and which ones are bad. Deport them all and let them fight it out. Maybe if they have no countries to run to and ruin, they will fix their own. Or maybe they'll all kill each other. Either way they won't ruin other countries anymore.
I know that news such as this one always attract criticism about the lack of technology from "some" people ion the community, but as many others /. users have pointed out, /. is also supposed to be about "stuff that matters".
So, my question is, how did it occurred in the editor's compassionless mind that the stupid delay of the terror app was more relevant than the +300 victims of this tragedy?
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Last I heard, there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism; it might have just someone going apeshit and committing mass murder.
My guess is that the French government had no idea whether or not it was terrorism, and after 3 hours they just decided to err on the side of caution and issue the alert, just in case.
Of course, that raises the whole question as to why anyone would give a damn what the motive behind a mass murder is, in any situation where they're trying to get information quickly. Regardless of whether the truck driver is politically motivated or not, you want to get the fuck out of his way. It sounds like the very idea of a "terror alert" app just might be amazingly stupid. A "danger alert" app would be a hundred times more useful.
Why take chances that all people are good or bad, deport us all, can't risk a few bad apples doing bad things.
There are many problems that cannot be solved with the app. Not the terrorism.
This app was a scam by design: there are little benefits of knowing of attack 15 minutes after it took place.
Reality is that the app was just another project to skim money from government, like they have skimmed thousands of times before that. Remember the $2 million app that randomizes whether to go to left or to the right? Reality is that once money have been consumed, those who made profit moved on and they no longer care. Also, reality is that you cannot buy complete security for the amount of resources is limited, yet security risks are infinite. If the app gets sued it will eventually become clear that the app cannot be litigated and has no responsibility to notify you, as decided by the courts http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06...
Reality is that the attacker was stopped by the first man with a firearm.
Reality is that automatic and semi-automatic gun ownership just got another solid, not even a theoretical card, to use when defending the gun ownership from nutty gun fearing zealots. Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.
And no. Let's not ban the trucks.
The point of this app was to generate profit for the company developing it, not to do anything useful. To expect it to be useful is naive in the extreme.
Deport them where?
Unfortunately France has this problem where they used to have a few colonies and most of "those people" are from there. Came here 40+ years ago. It's likely that the person who drove that truck was born in France and is French. Where to do you wish to deport someone like this?
And ... does that mean that by extrapolation, we have to expect a lot of US people that are going to flood Europe when they get repatriated by the natives?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No hanging and quartering, just drawing?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
busy busy busy, I think .....
If you don't pray in my school, I won't think in your church.
Burnout did that ages ago, that's not new.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Well, come on..lets be *reasonable*..I mean, who needs 30 gallons of gas JUST to go hunting, you know?
What we need are Common Sense Truck Laws...at this point, even 80% of truck owning Americans agree with this.
Next week, we also need to take up knife and folding chair safety legislation, you just never know what one of these terrorist bastards will pick up next to kill with....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
This is why France can't have Nice things.
Deport them where?
Who fucking cares? Just put them in boxcars and pull the train to Syria (or on a boat and run it aground on their beach) with full air support to crash through the border, and leave them there and reseal the border. Make it their problem. Fuck them all. Unfortunately we are too weak to do what needs to be done. Blame the politically correct for putting us all in danger and allowing these people out of the middle east to begin with. Oh, and stop trying to rescue those damn people in their sinking boats. Let them drown like the rats that they are. It is long past time to end this. Otherwise Europe is doomed. We have to contain this war and keep it outside our borders. There is only one way, ship them all out! NOW!
Round them up, deport them. If they don't like it? Too bad. The "progressive", "politically correct", types caused all of this problem. The 60's rejects are pretty much running the world these days, and their "I'd like to teach the world to sing/live in harmony" crap just ain't cutting it. I know there are people fleeing those areas of the middle east & Africa that are trying to save themselves, but enough is enough. Unless Europe, and the rest of the world takes a hard line stand, it's going to continue.
Yes, because the healthy, normal response to feeling a little out of place is to murder people. Surely we can all agree that a culture which promotes mass murder because their feelings are hurt is one which must be honored, cherished, and brought into our homelands in droves.
Hint: the belief that a better path is "why don't we kill all..." is the source, not solution to the problem.
Only a king bigot would want to kill all people he/she thinks are bigots. I think you need to look in the mirror and reflect on the monster you have become.
You think that bigotry caused this? Or any of the other previous terrorist attacks? No. Stop being so damned naive. Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar? They're funding extrimism in our own backyards by paying for the institutional buildings to spread that type of hate. You should probably pick up a history book as well. Then you'll find out that this has been an on-going problem for nearly 1300 years at this point. I'm sure someone will come out whining but what about the crusades. Oh yes, those crusades that were a response...after nearly 200 years of attacks against European countries, against muslim slavery, destruction of churches and religious sites. Rape, pillaging and murder of entire towns. It's so stupidly easy to chart the initial battles, slavery camps, slave markets from historical documents(the feudal governments and catholic church were malicious about it). And even easier to see when the initial push-back started.
That there are serious problems with muslims entering from the middle east and africa causing no shortage of problems. That in their new host countries, they continue the old way of life instead of integrating. That there are mosques and madrassa's that teach extremism as the bread and butter of their faith. You can find them easily all over Europe. Before someone goes..."but you're a white male, you don't know anything!" Let me finish out with I'm a first generation kid in Canada, born to mixed race parents who's parents integrated into society, left the old world bullshit behind, became productive members of society and were respected for it. So with that, I respect muslims that will turn around and leave the old world garbage behind and become productive members of society. The rest? Nope. And those ones that won't? They'll even attack their fellow brothers because they believe that they're not muslim anymore. See what happened here in Canada after the double terrorist attacks within a week of each other. When leaders of reformist muslim movements, and liberal mosque leaderships denounced and then stated that all mosques should be under police surveillance. The response? "You're not muslim, you should be killed. You're an apostate! Etc, etc, etc."
Om, nomnomnom...
You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"
We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.
Okay, let's roll with this. You know the US is now sitting on more oil, coal and NG, then there are proven supplies in say Saudi Arabia? Canada comes in just under that US total too. So let's cut the snake off at the head, and start using our own oil/NG/coal/etc. Sounds good right? Oh wait, what do you mean those environmentalists are starting to whine, and the nimby's are so uptight that their assholes are where their mouths are? And there's a brain dead president in power that doesn't want to do anything and impose more bans on developing those sites or continues with the environmentalist anti-nuke policies.
Solution and answer are right there and could end it all in 30 years.
Om, nomnomnom...
You should be the first to go then.
Well, since you are obviously scared, and scared people are known do do stupid things, you are obviously more dangerous. You go first.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
It doesn't matter where the oil is geographically. Banksters are above nationality. All that matter is where the money is and where it goes.
There is zero chance of any sort of legislation requiring oil drilled in the US to be sold only in the US. Why else would the Keystone XL pipeline go to Port Arthur and Galveston?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Ok.Let's agree that buying oil from the Saudis is the root cause. Then you're for any and all solutions from renewables to fracking to off-shore drilling that reduces, if not eliminates our buying of middle eastern oil.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Oil from North American sources are significantly more expensive to extract and process. Forgetting the environmentalism concern entirely, are you willing to accept potentially 50% gas price hikes to stop doing business with undesirable nations? If so, great on you(?) but I don't see the market at large taking your stance.
Bye!
Reading about failures like this makes me appreciate that both Canada and the United States have mandatory systems for the interruption of programming across all broadcasters, regardless of platform, in the event of a public emergency. Apps can help disseminate information, but they should not be constitute the only distribution path besides the media.
TACTICAL LORRIES!
Nobody needs Tactical Lorries, Look, this guy took an unlicensed Lorrie that had a high capacity that nobody needs and killed so many people with it.
When will you people WAKE UP?
We need to Ban any sale of a Lorrie that has high capacity and is obviously only useful for killing.
You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"
We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.
Very true. It was such a stable and peaceful place before /sarcasm
And ... does that mean that by extrapolation, we have to expect a lot of US people that are going to flood Europe when they get repatriated by the natives?
Sure if the natives take over the country and chose that.
That is great! I really want to steal that and post it on my facebook.
If I hadn't already marked you as a friend so your posts would stand out, I'd be marking you now.
I've got a better idea. Send the boxcars to camps where they can be put down like the mad dogs that they are, man, woman and child. That will provide a final solution to the problem.
Too long have we allowed the spineless weak-kneed traitors among us to coddle these people. It's time to show our STRENGTH! Take the strong common-sense approach. And if anyone objects, load them in a boxcar as well!
Yep, because if you go back before 1956, everything was pretty much a-okay throughout the middle east. There was no strife, violence, or any history of destabilization at all.
While the ass-backwards partitioning of the ottoman empire by the allies after the end of world war 1 had HUGE impact on the last 100 years of instability in the middle east, let's not pretend that there wasn't a history of problems before that, going back all the way to bibilical times.
The Keystone XL pipeline extension was planned between Hardisty, Alberta, and Steele City, Nebraska. It does not go to Texas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You're confused with the rest of the Keystone oil pipeline complex, some of which does go to Texas. All of those pipelines have already been built.
In terms of why does any of it go to Texas? Keystone in general goes to refineries in Illinois and Texas. The reason for that is simple. That is where the refineries are.
You sort of have it backwards. Yes, the refineries are there because of the port terminals. However, that's because port terminals is where you receive imports and Gulf coast oil, which have in the past, been an important source of oil for the US. Since Refineries are not going to move, particularly due to the expensive shale and tar sands oil, the oil from those areas goes to the refineries, not vice-versa.
Of course, yes, sending the oil to the terminals does allow for export, but that's not really a focus of the Keystone pipeline complex. Could it happen? Quite possibly. But whether or not it is possible, the reason for the pipelines isn't the international banking conspiracy, it is the situation of refinery capacity. If there were not "banksters", they would still send the oil to Texas and other places with sea terminals because that is where you find a lot of refineries situated.
Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.
First you have to be in a sheltered position where you can make the shot cleanly and safely. Second you are aiming at a small moving target protected by tons of metal and laminated glass --- and quite probably in body armor. Third it is night. What lighting there is may be casting strange shadows ---- more confusing than helpful.
Notify NYC has been in place for a year or two now and has worked very well. Except that one time they sent out a WEA for an Amber Alert and had everyone's phones blaring 2:30am (pissing off all 8.4 million residents simultaneously is no easy feat, but they pulled it off).
It sends out text messages, emails and has an RSS feed. Subway outages, "police actions", etc. all get texted to you if you subscribe. All my friends use it, it's actually a great system.
Actually such a law was just repealed, making it legal for the first time for significant amounts of US petroleum to be exported. The Keystone pipeline is to take Canadian oil to be refined and then loaded onto ships to China and elsewhere. It is Not for US oil.
I'm too lazy to compose a creative sig.
Actually, the US itself is fairly independent of Saudi oil these days.
The problem is that Europe and China are not. Even if we were 100% off Saudi oil, Saudi would still be making bank.
Our purpose in the Middle East is simple, prevent World War III so that we don't have to ride to save the day like we did in WWII. And since nuclear weapons are in play, if there is a WWIII we may not get the chance to play Big Damn Heroes before its all over and we're all fucked.
This is why I tend to favor libertarian ideas to some degree, but I absolutely, positively, do not support the isolationist planks.
Yes, we are the world's policeman. Perhaps we shouldn't be, but that process should be planned out and slowly executed. Immediately dumping our presence around the world is more likely to precipitate the loss of American (and other) lives, than the occasional terrorist act, no matter how outrageous.
Except that so far the terrorists involved in Paris were not refugees so you're stance makes no sense. Not sure the identity of the individual in Nice but I'd wager he wasn't a refugee either. I know it's easy to think the problem is with refugees but its not. The UK and France have been importing people of middle eastern heritage for decades. In France they don't assimilate well into French culture so they persecuted in much the same way the black population is in America, you can't be surprised when people of their population start fighting back when little to no efforts are made to help their situation.
Actually, that could work, if we make sure it is in Texas again. The last two fools who were dumb enough to fall into that trap did not do so well.
All we have to do is manage to have enough events like that so that they Darwin themselves out of existence. Brilliant!
"Would you kindly allow me to leave this bomb here? I apologize in advance for any possible inconvenience." Even though I understand Nice actually refers to city in France, this headline got me confused for a bit.
Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act. How many mosques have you seen speak out against ISIS and Islamist terrorism? The Islamist terrorist activities are encouraged by their "holy" books. I have always viewed Islam as the religion of evil, not of peace which is what they falsely claim. Recent activities have only strengthened my belief that the world has 1.3 billion people that either kill "infidels" with impunity, want to kill them, or silently support the killings. Muslims that see the light and denounce evil are no longer Muslims. I encourage everyone to read the Koran. See for yourself how Muhammad went from founding a movement that was encouraged to get along with others, down the path of insanity where he directed believers to kill those that did not convert or follow the laws that Muhammad set for them. The Western world has been shielded from this truth for too long. We can share a planet. We cannot share a country with these folks.
Yeah, I figured that much. Populist bullshit position without content.
Same solution you have for unemployment, housing, urban unrest, gentrification... someone should do something somewhere.
Try again when you have an actual solution. Until then allow me to inform you that, yes, everyone has by now noticed that there's a problem and no, nobody else has any kind of solution either. Because, guess what: If someone HAD a solution, we'd be implementing it!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Oil from North American sources are significantly more expensive to extract and process. Forgetting the environmentalism concern entirely, are you willing to accept potentially 50% gas price hikes to stop doing business with undesirable nations? If so, great on you(?) but I don't see the market at large taking your stance.
Obviously you don't work, have friends that work/etc in the oil industry here in Canada or the US. If you did, you'd know that most of that extraction and processing is profitable above a price of $44BBL, the very heaviest crude including oil sands are profitable at prices above $64BBL. There would be no 50% price hike. Hell oil is at ~45-47BBL right now, and I'm still paying around $1/L or $4.10/Gal, where as I can cross the border and pay $2.10/Gal. Even when oil was at $110-140/BBL the price never topped $1.38/L or $4.25/Gal
Om, nomnomnom...
Maybe the problem is circumcision?
Circumcision leading to sexual frustration leading to anger.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Would probably work in Russia too.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
France still have a few islands in different places. Some of them not inhabited by anything but birds.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
> Last I heard, there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism; it might have just someone going apeshit and committing mass murder.
What's the difference, exactly?
I can just see all your friends at work: "You pay for Terrorrist-free? Sucker!"
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
How do you plan to detect if someone is a Muslim or not?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Don't be an idiot. Having the West give up freedom of religion is precisely the point of these attacks. ISIS is losing, such angry and unthinking actions on our part are their only hope.
This is war. Fight with your brain, not your heart, least you aid your enemy. We don't even know if this had anything to do with Islam rather than an unhinged petty criminal with a history of violence finally going over the edge.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Had this event happened in the US instead of France, our elected idiots would be running around in little circles because they can't blame it on guns this time.
I suppose we would see legislation along the lines of No Fly No Drive or something equally stupid.
The only thing positive to come out of this is the fact this provides irrefutable evidence that no matter how hard you try to ban a thing, folks will find ways to kill one another en masse.
The problem is, and always will be, people.
Perhaps its meant for something else.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
So what do you think they're trying to accomplish? All that effort can't hope to cause enough damage to weaken Europe militarily. But it can give our nationalists just enough help to succeed in tearing EU apart, and if at all possible to give up liberty so it won't tempt their subjects anymore. After that, all they have to do is wait for the continent to blow itself up again, and watch Russia conquer the remains.
Calm down and stop aiding the enemy.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Deporting all Muslims is the only way to save western civilization.
Western civilization isn't the one at risk, the reason for these attacks, the reason Muslim conservatives hate immigration even more than Western conservatives, is that repressive Muslim cultures are the ones under real threat.
We're worried about people coming from a different culture and regressive beliefs. They're worried about those same immigrants becoming liberalized and spreading those ideas of tolerance back home.
That's one of the reasons why ISIS is attacking the West, so that Western nations exclude and even kick out Muslims and stop the spread of western values into their culture. The other reason is that ISIS is losing and starting to get desperate, so they're increasing terror attacks to recruit more people and egg the West into doing something stupid (to the extent they care President Trump would be a win for them).
These terror attacks are terrible but the price of western civilization is we sometimes need to endure terrible things.
I stole this Sig
Poland rules exactly nothing. It is just a place Germans and Russians go through when they are at war with each other.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act.
A Muslim extremist wants to cut your head off.
A Muslim moderate wants someone else to cut your head off.
Bacon
Yes, there was a history of violence and strife, like there is in every part of the world, but we hadn't yet turned the worst actors into billionaires.
You are welcome on my lawn.
As I said, you could never, ever get a US congress or president from either party to go along with forcing US oil companies to sell only to US customers. It is not possible.
So you can do all the off-shore drilling and fracking is just going toward shipping our resources overseas. "Energy independent" really should mean "energy independent". Not just "we're making as much as we're using, but it's all going into a global marketplace so we're still stuck with OPEC setting the terms".
You are welcome on my lawn.
No. We're still importing tons of oil from the Saudis. Remember, it's a global market. Oil that's drilled here in the US doesn't stay in the US. We'll always be at the mercy of the Saudis and OPEC as long as we are hell-bent on globalism.
You are welcome on my lawn.
It wasn't a stable and peaceful place, but we had not yet given them the means to influence us by selling them our birthright.
By making the Saudis rich beyond the dreams of avarice, we have allowed them to export their murderous theology around the world.
You are welcome on my lawn.
We managed to make enemies in basically all camps there. We enriched whichever assholes were in charge at the time. We helped other power tripping assholes into power. The enemies of those assholes logically now view us as the enemy. Then whenever we stopped supporting the assholes in charge they came to view us as enemies. Even the nations and groups that we didn't outright take a collective shit on though have come to dislike, if not hate us, for perpetually meddling in the affairs of their neighbors and destabilizing the entire region.
At this point even if we completely vacated the region we'll have issues with terrorism here for decades. Because an exit like that will make even more enemies. And it's not like the region will prosper immediately and we'll continue to be blamed for all that ills them for years to come.
Very appropriate.
A madman running over people in a crowded street doesn't have to be a terrorist.
In fact this accident looks a lot like what happened in Akihabara, Tokyo in 2008 where a guy ran over people with a rental truck. He was much less successful than the Nice killer, probably because the place was less crowded, so he stepped down and stabbed random people with a dagger. Absolutely no link with terrorism, just a madman, in the US he probably would have been a school shooter or something.
Well, maybe he really is a terrorist but we have no convincing evidence yet, and no claim by any terrorist organization. So for now, I'd say the most sensible hypothesis is that the killer wasn't a terrorist.
The funniest part about this is how you would even know this, do you attend your local Mosque?
The fact is almost all Western Mosques and Imam's routinely condemn terrorist attacks and terrorist sponsoring groups. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. And the most ironic thing about it is you wouldn't expect your own church congregation and priest to attack and condem acts of Christian violence around the world. For example where was your condemnation when the Christians of the Central African Republic went on a rampage murdering all Muslims including women and children? Where was your public statement? Oh they don't represent you, do they? So why would you expect radical Islamic militants represent all muslims?
You are a fucking bigot.
This is indeed a bad day when a hate-filled post like this gets modded +5 Insightful.
Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act. How many mosques have you seen speak out against ISIS and Islamist terrorism?
Yeah, they speak out all the time, though you wouldn't know it by reading the mainstream media. Every major terrorist event is generally followed by loads of denunciations by prominent Muslim leaders. And then there's stuff like this, where 70,000 Muslim clerics have issued a fatwa against terrorist acts.
The Islamist terrorist activities are encouraged by their "holy" books. .... I encourage everyone to read the Koran.
I'd encourage people to read other sacred texts written over a 1000 years ago when violence was much more common and compare. For example, have a look at the stuff in the Bible. Just one of those verses from Leviticus motivates dozens of killings of homosexuals every year, for example. But you don't tend to hear as much about them, because they tend to be individual killings. The main difference between Christianity/Judaism and Islam in terms of "holy" books (as you put it) is that the former tend to ignore the tenets of their scriptures more these days... compared to say a few centuries ago when they happily went around killing people in God's name too. (Heck, even in the 20th century you had genocides partially motivated by Christian sectarianism.)
The Western world has been shielded from this truth for too long. We can share a planet. We cannot share a country with these folks.
And it's people with views like this that are playing directly into the hands of the terrorists -- and by terrorists, I mean actual terrorist leaders and those motivated by political/religious ideology, not this numbnuts in France who from recent reports appears to be far from motivated by ideology. The reports are still early, but if recent media stories and interviews with family members and neighbors are to be believed, this guy was just a whackjob with a previous arrest for road rage and whose personal life had self-destructed. He doesn't appear to have been religious at all, drinking, doing drugs, eating pork, never attending services, etc.
So what about the reports that he shouted "Allahu akbar!" during the killings? Well, if he did, he was probably playing into the "terrorist" fantasy world you're putting him into.
If you don't mind, I'm not going to dignify him by calling him a "terrorist" -- that's insulting to actual politically motivated folks who feel the need to act violently in the name of an ideology. I'll just call this guy "Numbnuts," which is the level of respect he deserves.
From recent reports, it appears that Numbnuts was a depressed loner. In the past, some idiotic coward afraid of dealing with his own life might have quietly offed himself with a gun to the head in his own house, or maybe jumped off a bridge or something. Or maybe he would have "gone postal" and killed some family or coworkers just to take some of the people he hated with him. (Note that term go postal, remember that? Dozens of incidents of postal workers shooting up people over a decade, and I don't remember anyone calling for them all to be deported... sure no incidents on this scale, but still.)
Anyhow, Numbnuts here doesn't sound like a terrorist. He was just a screwed-up lunatic with a death wish. And if he shouted some Muslim phrase at the end, it's probably because he read some BS on the internet and people like you af
these comments....
Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act. How many mosques have you seen speak out against ISIS and Islamist terrorism?
You do realize that the vast majority of the land that they have conquered was already Muslim? They wouldn't need to do that, if they were on the same side. If you're asking why they don't fight back or start a popular uprising, it's a regime of terror by religious fanatics who've consistently shown there's no end to their savagery. What do you think happens to those who resist? Easy for you to say they should get themselves and their family tortured, slaughtered and heads put on a stake.
That's not to say the rest are all good, mosques want to spread Islam and there's a lot of shitty values that don't mix well with democracy, equality of the sexes, freedom of speech and so on. But they want to it by propaganda and mass slaughter of innocents isn't very likely to bring converts. Terror is an attempt by IS to cause anti-Muslim sentiments so the 99,99% of Muslims that aren't part of IS will join them. I'm sure you can read the book and discuss who is the "real" Islam all day, but in practice Islamic countries haven't been this intolerant of religious minorities for a very, very long time.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
For americans, the second amendment included military firepower. If just one of those civilians or law officers had a CSWS or an RPG, they could have ended the threat, even if some collateral damage occurred it could have significantly lowered the impact of the overall carnage caused in this case.
That said, what did the French expect to happen when all they had to defend themselves was a constant stream of week old baguettes to try and take out what was obviously a heavily armored bread delivery truck driven by an angry and swarthy middle easterner.
Indeed, the way to prevent serious terrorist attacks is to have members of the general public walking around with RPGs.
I stole this Sig
Bugger off. I am German. Germany has conquered Poland several times and each and every time it was a pretty easy thing to do. And nowadays Poland is only good as a source of cheap whores.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
So one more country supporting his thesis - the US has been a major supporter of terrorists for decades.
Spotted the whack job pining for Che Guevera to execute some more innocents in the name of revolution!
Spotted the whack job who denies the US supported the people who blew up Cubana Flight 455.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Might want to triple check your source on that one, chief.
eh? Whats that mean? Is there no law against leaving keys (traditional or electronic) in the car while unattended in the usa?
Polacks were the one who ran. Without Russians there would be no Poland today. Cowards, just like you are.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
The Nice attacker "... did not seem overtly religious. Locals said he was often seen drinking beer and never attended the small mosque near his block of flats. ... had been in trouble with police between 2010 and 2016 for threatening behaviour, violence and petty theft. In March, a court in Nice convicted him of assaulting a motorist with an improvised weapon - a wooden pallet ... "
Source: BBC.
The Paris attackers (the two Abdeslam brothers, one who blew up himself, and the other one who was arrested) owned a bar serving alcohol and were not religious either. They did not attend a mosque. There were drugs in that bar too, and neighbours complained.
Source: Business Insider.
Other attackers also got in trouble with the law: petty crime, drug dealing, ...etc.
This seems like a recurring theme with Islamic State now. They don't recruit from religiously observant people, like Al-Qaeda used to do. They recruit ex-criminals, apparently seeking salvation by committing a 'martyrdom act'.
But don't let facts stand in the way of prejudice and preconceived ideas ...
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That would explain US foreign policy, I give you that...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And what atrocities have the birds committed to deserve this kind of treatment?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Well, I guess one could say that they're right now killing the native European savages, so ... just asking, ya know...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Perhaps you should look at the post I responded to. I'm trolling the bigoted coward not offering a serious commentary.
The truth is that, in addition to drought and famine, sexual frustration plays a big part in facilitating recruitment. That, and up to 400-700 US dollars every month with room and board included. When you compare that to the 40 dinars or whatever useless scrip they get paid in the brickyards, the choice looks pretty obvious. However, the government would rather have you all play this religious angle to rile people up here at home. It's very unfortunate to see the majority people falling for it.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Deporting all Muslims is the only way to save western civilization.
That's a good first step but what's your final solution?
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UK installed 1 million CCTVs
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...
Casteism
When watching from the outside it is rather funny watching retards begging the government to take away every means they have to protect themselves. It isn't so funny when those retards are your neighbors begging the government to take away every means you have to protect yourself though.
No there isn't.
Uh, did you actually look at that map? It displays exactly what I said, and what the Wikipedia article said. Keystone XL is the dashed blue line. It does not go to Texas.
As I said, the Keystone complex does. And the map shows that. I think you're confused.
My point is that the Keystone XL pipeline's purpose is to carry oil to the gulf coast for export.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Jester998 wants to cut off your head if you are a muslim.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Bacon
Vegan.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Actually, the US itself is fairly independent of Saudi oil these days.
The problem is that Europe and China are not.
Bullshit. http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/...
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
France is heading into civil war. Add another million or so hate-filled young Mohammads and there will be enough military age Muslims to challenge the population of France for control. Once it kicks off in Paris there will be a rapid influx of fighters from other EU nations and the French will be caught flat footed.
Good news for you: a third of the dead were Muslims, far above the rate in France's population.
The terrorist did your bidding. Your are the IS.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.