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It Took Nearly Three Hours For France's Terror Alert App To Respond To Nice Attack (theverge.com)
Amar Toor, reporting for The Verge: A terror alert app released by the French government last month has come under criticism after taking hours to notify users of Thursday night's attack in Nice. The app, called SAIP was released by the French Interior Ministry on iOS and Android in June, ahead of the Euro 2016 soccer tournament. According to the ministry, the app would provide users with alerts and information within 15 minutes of a terrorist attack being confirmed. But it apparently took much longer to send out alerts following last night's attack in Nice, where a man drove a truck into a crowded seaside promenade during Bastille Day celebrations, killing at least 84 people and leaving 18 others in critical condition. Users who had downloaded the app posted phone screenshots to Twitter last night showing that SAIP sent out its first alert just after 1:30AM local time -- nearly three hours after the attack began. Facebook, by contrast, activated its Safety Check feature shortly after the attack was carried out, and French politicians urged those in the area to check in using that feature, as SAIP remained silent.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
The keyword is "being confirmed". It take time to confirm that a truck running over people is a criminal act and not 'just' an accident.
But in the end this demonstrate that this application is completely un-useful...
Last I heard, there was considerable evidence that it might not have been terrorism; it might have just someone going apeshit and committing mass murder.
My guess is that the French government had no idea whether or not it was terrorism, and after 3 hours they just decided to err on the side of caution and issue the alert, just in case.
Of course, that raises the whole question as to why anyone would give a damn what the motive behind a mass murder is, in any situation where they're trying to get information quickly. Regardless of whether the truck driver is politically motivated or not, you want to get the fuck out of his way. It sounds like the very idea of a "terror alert" app just might be amazingly stupid. A "danger alert" app would be a hundred times more useful.
Well, come on..lets be *reasonable*..I mean, who needs 30 gallons of gas JUST to go hunting, you know?
What we need are Common Sense Truck Laws...at this point, even 80% of truck owning Americans agree with this.
Next week, we also need to take up knife and folding chair safety legislation, you just never know what one of these terrorist bastards will pick up next to kill with....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Yes, because the healthy, normal response to feeling a little out of place is to murder people. Surely we can all agree that a culture which promotes mass murder because their feelings are hurt is one which must be honored, cherished, and brought into our homelands in droves.
Reality is that a single semi-automatic rifle would have been extremely effective in stopping the madman in Nice attack.
I don't know how long it took that guy to plow through the crowd but I am quite positive no one in that crowd would have had the time, situational analysis, and space to end the threat without taking out more innocent bystanders.
I'm not anti-gun, there are just very few people trained to respond with deadly force in traumatic situations. Your average citizen is not one of them. Your average citizen is going to protect their own life by getting the fuck out of the way.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
You think that bigotry caused this? Or any of the other previous terrorist attacks? No. Stop being so damned naive. Countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Quatar? They're funding extrimism in our own backyards by paying for the institutional buildings to spread that type of hate. You should probably pick up a history book as well. Then you'll find out that this has been an on-going problem for nearly 1300 years at this point. I'm sure someone will come out whining but what about the crusades. Oh yes, those crusades that were a response...after nearly 200 years of attacks against European countries, against muslim slavery, destruction of churches and religious sites. Rape, pillaging and murder of entire towns. It's so stupidly easy to chart the initial battles, slavery camps, slave markets from historical documents(the feudal governments and catholic church were malicious about it). And even easier to see when the initial push-back started.
That there are serious problems with muslims entering from the middle east and africa causing no shortage of problems. That in their new host countries, they continue the old way of life instead of integrating. That there are mosques and madrassa's that teach extremism as the bread and butter of their faith. You can find them easily all over Europe. Before someone goes..."but you're a white male, you don't know anything!" Let me finish out with I'm a first generation kid in Canada, born to mixed race parents who's parents integrated into society, left the old world bullshit behind, became productive members of society and were respected for it. So with that, I respect muslims that will turn around and leave the old world garbage behind and become productive members of society. The rest? Nope. And those ones that won't? They'll even attack their fellow brothers because they believe that they're not muslim anymore. See what happened here in Canada after the double terrorist attacks within a week of each other. When leaders of reformist muslim movements, and liberal mosque leaderships denounced and then stated that all mosques should be under police surveillance. The response? "You're not muslim, you should be killed. You're an apostate! Etc, etc, etc."
Om, nomnomnom...
Reality is that the attacker was stopped by the first man with a firearm.
Actually, no. Video made of the truck just getting started shows French police shooting at it. It continued on for at least a mile. One or two snap shots aren't going to have much change of stopping something like a truck. The truck stopped on its own, then they killed the driver.
Have gnu, will travel.
You could almost say that the oil industry is really to blame. We've got a 60 year history of destabilizing a region where this mad ideology originates and then funding (and arming) their dictators. Oil industry and banksters have wrought this upon us. And a family named, "Rothschild"
We'll never deal with terrorism until we deal with that and the fallout from Balfour.
Very true. It was such a stable and peaceful place before /sarcasm
The funniest part about this is how you would even know this, do you attend your local Mosque?
The fact is almost all Western Mosques and Imam's routinely condemn terrorist attacks and terrorist sponsoring groups. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. And the most ironic thing about it is you wouldn't expect your own church congregation and priest to attack and condem acts of Christian violence around the world. For example where was your condemnation when the Christians of the Central African Republic went on a rampage murdering all Muslims including women and children? Where was your public statement? Oh they don't represent you, do they? So why would you expect radical Islamic militants represent all muslims?
You are a fucking bigot.
This is indeed a bad day when a hate-filled post like this gets modded +5 Insightful.
Historically, the "good" ones are silent when Islamist terrorists act. How many mosques have you seen speak out against ISIS and Islamist terrorism?
Yeah, they speak out all the time, though you wouldn't know it by reading the mainstream media. Every major terrorist event is generally followed by loads of denunciations by prominent Muslim leaders. And then there's stuff like this, where 70,000 Muslim clerics have issued a fatwa against terrorist acts.
The Islamist terrorist activities are encouraged by their "holy" books. .... I encourage everyone to read the Koran.
I'd encourage people to read other sacred texts written over a 1000 years ago when violence was much more common and compare. For example, have a look at the stuff in the Bible. Just one of those verses from Leviticus motivates dozens of killings of homosexuals every year, for example. But you don't tend to hear as much about them, because they tend to be individual killings. The main difference between Christianity/Judaism and Islam in terms of "holy" books (as you put it) is that the former tend to ignore the tenets of their scriptures more these days... compared to say a few centuries ago when they happily went around killing people in God's name too. (Heck, even in the 20th century you had genocides partially motivated by Christian sectarianism.)
The Western world has been shielded from this truth for too long. We can share a planet. We cannot share a country with these folks.
And it's people with views like this that are playing directly into the hands of the terrorists -- and by terrorists, I mean actual terrorist leaders and those motivated by political/religious ideology, not this numbnuts in France who from recent reports appears to be far from motivated by ideology. The reports are still early, but if recent media stories and interviews with family members and neighbors are to be believed, this guy was just a whackjob with a previous arrest for road rage and whose personal life had self-destructed. He doesn't appear to have been religious at all, drinking, doing drugs, eating pork, never attending services, etc.
So what about the reports that he shouted "Allahu akbar!" during the killings? Well, if he did, he was probably playing into the "terrorist" fantasy world you're putting him into.
If you don't mind, I'm not going to dignify him by calling him a "terrorist" -- that's insulting to actual politically motivated folks who feel the need to act violently in the name of an ideology. I'll just call this guy "Numbnuts," which is the level of respect he deserves.
From recent reports, it appears that Numbnuts was a depressed loner. In the past, some idiotic coward afraid of dealing with his own life might have quietly offed himself with a gun to the head in his own house, or maybe jumped off a bridge or something. Or maybe he would have "gone postal" and killed some family or coworkers just to take some of the people he hated with him. (Note that term go postal, remember that? Dozens of incidents of postal workers shooting up people over a decade, and I don't remember anyone calling for them all to be deported... sure no incidents on this scale, but still.)
Anyhow, Numbnuts here doesn't sound like a terrorist. He was just a screwed-up lunatic with a death wish. And if he shouted some Muslim phrase at the end, it's probably because he read some BS on the internet and people like you af