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Jill Stein Pledges To Pardon Snowden and Appoint Him To Her Cabinet (zerohedge.com)
Iamthecheese writes: Trump hates him. Clinton misrepresented him. Most mainstream media outlets call him a traitor and worse. But if you vote Stein, Snowden will be in the presidential Cabinet. "The presumptive Green Party presidential nominee Dr. Jill Stein promises to grant NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden -- who many describe as a true American hero -- not just a full pardon, but a promotion to the upper echelons of government should she win the White House," reports Zero Hedge. "[Snowden] has done an incredible service to our country at great cost to himself for having to live away from his family, his friends, his job, his network, to basically live as an expatriate," Stein asserted during a town hall live-streamed to supporters on her Facebook page, US Uncut reported. "I would say not only bring Snowden back, but bring him into my administration as a member of the Cabinet," she continued, "because we need people who are part of our national security administration who are really, very patriotic. If we're really going to protect our American security, we also have to protect our Constitutional rights, and that includes our right to privacy." Her pardons would also extend to CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou and Chelsea Manning. Kiriakou first revealed proof of waterboarding and various other torture tactics employed by the government, while Manning leaked the Afghan War Diary and Iraq War Logs, which included footage of U.S. helicopter airmen deliberately gunning down journalists, to Wikileaks. Reddit co-founder and MIT student, Aaron Swartz, who leaked academic research to the public, would also receive a pardon under her presidency. "[Swartz] was a proponent of free and liberated internet and for sharing our resources on that internet, who was basically hounded into suicide by a very oppressive Department of Justice. So, he -- in my mind -- is another one of these heroes that we need to remember and be very thankful for."
Don't we have enough apparatchiks in high positions already?
Jill Stein Pledges To Pardon Snowden
Yeah, I can see how that might actually be a worthy thing to od.
and Appoint Him To Her Cabinet
Ah, she ruined it. She's obviously just whoring for votes.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
If Stein pledges to pardon Hillary for the e-mail thingy, then I'll vote for her! Oh wait...
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I don't dispute that Snowden did a public service in the end. However, he also broke the law and for that there should be consequences. I worked in the US government for a long time and 99.99% of the people working there take their obligations under the law very seriously. As with any large organization, there are bad apples. I'm sorry to say, but Snowden made himself part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
He could have reported the problem to his corporate managers, to his government managers (as a contractor he had to be working for a government manager somewhere along the way), to the inspector general at the site where he was working or directly to the NSA inspector general, or to his congress person. In my mind, given the gravity of the situation I would have gone to the congress person. Many members of congress and members of their staff, particularly professional staffers, have high level security clearance. They certainly could have investigated, exercised oversight, and put a stop to anything untoward.
Believe it or not, the process for intelligence oversight mostly works really well. Sometimes, like any process, it fails and those seem to be primary focus of public attention. I worked in places where we received orders to stop certain activities because they had been reported as questionable, investigated, and found to be unacceptable by the authorities responsible for oversight.
What Snowden did was decide that none of that mattered and that, like a little kid who wants his way and wants it now, he was going to do whatever he wanted to get his way. This certainly could have been handled within the confines of existing laws and regulations without damaging national security and international relations in the process. Of course, I have no idea where someone working in government might get this ridiculous notion that "the rules apply to others but not to me" and that "it's OK to break the rules if it is more convenient for me or I can justify the end result to myself"
makes campaign promise she will never have to fulfill. Film at 11. :rolleyes:
Snowden should be pardoned, but this would only be credible coming from one of the two mainstream candidates.
Pardon Snowden... Stein got off on the right foot there. Sounds good so far...
Unfortunately, she shoved the other one in her mouth. She's in favor of "homeopathic medicine", and says that nuclear energy is, "dirty, dangerous and expensive, and should be precluded on all of those counts", when the actual data shows just the opposite. Furthermore, she wants "a moratorium on GMOs", which wikipedia states, "There is a scientific consensus[147][148][149][150] that currently available food derived from GM crops poses no greater risk to human health than conventional food".
I REALLY want to vote third party, but we need some third party candidates who are not anti-science crackpots. I thought she might be pro-science, but apparently not.
It's really too bad. I'd be totally on the side of a pro-environment and pro-civil rights party, something akin to a blend of green and libertarian. Bring Snowden back, stop spying on everyone, and don't trash the environment. Could be so good! However, they keep putting up unelectable nutcases :-/. This election could be THE golden opportunity for third parties, because the D and R candidates are both strongly disliked across the political spectrum. It's not that they would be likely to win, but they could become a force to be reckoned with and position themselves to gain mindshare in the future. But not by being "pro homeopathy" and generally come across like crackpots.
Sigh. We need some real alternatives to Republicans and Democrats. "Real" being the key word.
I honestly don't know if he has all of the qualifications as a cabinet member (but then again, I don't know our main two presidential candidates have qualifications for being president) ... but so long as we're on the 'appoint people with different points of views than what we've had for decades', I'd recommend Carl Malamud for the head of the Government Printing Office
(he's the guy who's been buying government documents, scanning 'em, and putting them up for free at resource.org)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
EVERYBODY hates Jill Stein...
I doubt most people know enough about her to hate her. Maybe you were thinking of Ben Stein? Or Frankenstein?
Nothing posted to
What do you have against Frankenstein?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
"...while Manning leaked the Afghan War Diary and Iraq War Logs, which included footage of U.S. helicopter airmen deliberately gunning down journalists, to Wikileaks."
This quote would lead a person to believe the helo pilot went gunning for the journalists, which is not the case. A battle had been ongoing in the area and the pilot saw what looked to him (and me) like a group of fighters with RPG's and small arms. What looked like an RPG on the gun sight footage was actually a camera with a really long lens. The person holding it pointed it towards the helo. The pilot, thinking he was about to be attacked, radioed in for permission to engage, received that permission and opened fire.
Nobody deliberately murdered journalists.
Nobody's perfect
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Liking her or hating her is fine, but people should at least know about her and the other "third-party" candidate on the ballot in all 50 states, Gary Johnson. In an election where there are a record majority number of people dissatisfied with the candidates being offered up by both the big parties, the media ought to be doing a better job of covering the alternatives.
For the last time, I'm not Frankenstein, I'm Frankenstein's monster!
Frankenstein's monster was also Frankenstein (he regarded the doctor as his father, so he would have taken the same surname).
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Actually the last name would probably be "Normal", first name "Abby"
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
And the lawbreaking Snowden reported on? Why aren't you guys demanding every employee of the NSA be hauled into court, right on up through the executive branch to the president himself? Why aren't you demanding Obama be charged with 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine for each instance of illegal warrantless wiretapping?
And why don't you authoritarians give two shits about the Constitution? If you did work for the government, you took the same Oath of Office that Snowden, Manning, Drake, and Kirkarou did. The only way for those men to uphold their oaths was to violate the laws protecting obscenely unconstitutional actions, like the NSA's warrantless wiretapping and the CIA's torture program.
I have no interest in arguing
You don't say!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Because she knows she'll never make it, mores the pity.
I'm still debating whether I will write-in vote for Ike Eisenhower or Vladimir Putin. The election is just theater so might as well have fun with it.
The XKCD comic's version: https://xkcd.com/1589/
Troll much?
Yes. Yes, you do.
Hillary is a DINO that doesn't represent what at bare minimum half liberal voters want, much less many independent voters who are disgusted with both parties. We have two Republican parties running against each other this election, and as a result of the lack of representation, there will be record turnouts for third parties this time around. If it wasn't for Johnson rising on the scene and Hillary's connections putting their thumbs on the scale, the impending "#DemExit" would be a slam dunk for the Republicans.
She sounds too good to be true, all my votes belong to Dr. Stein!
Because we destroyed it when it didn't give us the results we wanted in the civil rights era.
No sir I dont like it.
Yeah, we had/have the same problem with the Green Party up here. They have some good ideas, but then start spouting ideology just as bad as any other party on certain topics regardless of science.
Additionally, they wanted to be seen as a legitimate party, so they tried to run a candidate in every riding in Canada. Which I think was a real mistake, as you really start scraping the bottom of the barrel at a certain point, and the types of candidate they attract are basically crackpots and hippies neither of which you really want to run anything let alone your government. Nothing wrong with hippies, so long as they have their heads out of the clouds and are trying to achieve their hippie like goals within the realm of realism. Anyway until they really focus on being more realistic they will be nothing more than a fringe party.