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New Study Shows Why Big Pharma Hates Medical Marijuana (washingtonpost.com)

HughPickens.com writes: Christopher Ingraham writes in the Washington Post that a new study shows that painkiller abuse and overdose are significantly lower in states with medical marijuana laws and that when medical marijuana is available, pain patients are increasingly choosing pot over powerful and deadly prescription narcotics. The researchers "found that, in the 17 states with a medical-marijuana law in place by 2013, prescriptions for painkillers and other classes of drugs fell sharply compared with states that did not have a medical-marijuana law... In medical-marijuana states, the average doctor prescribed 265 fewer doses of antidepressants each year, 486 fewer doses of seizure medication, 541 fewer anti-nausea doses and 562 fewer doses of anti-anxiety medication. But most strikingly, the typical physician in a medical-marijuana state prescribed 1,826 fewer doses of painkillers in a given year."

[P]ainkiller drug companies "have long been at the forefront of opposition to marijuana reform, funding research by anti-pot academics and funneling dollars to groups, such as the Community Anti-Drug Coalitions of America, that oppose marijuana legalization..."

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  1. Companies shouldn't have political power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, their voices need to be heard, but companies ought not to become politically powerful entities. They are there to make money, produce goods, and make our lives better, not to tell us how to live.

    1. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Companies will have power as long as they can make political donations.

    2. Re: Companies shouldn't have political power by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bernie called for the immediate removal of pot from the Controlled Substances Act, which would effectively legalize pot at a federal level.

      The DNC platform language calls for a "pathway toward legalization", which is, of course, vague enough to be fairly meaningless and unenforceable against HRC once in office. And it barely passed, 81-80.

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    3. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At the very least, making any donation public.
      And making attempts to hide donation source criminal.

      You should at least know who is buying which representative and senator.
      Since 2008ish we can't do that any longer as they are allowed to hide their donations legally.

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    4. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

      We tried that. The net effect was that corporations don't donate to politicians anymore but they found a branch and employ said politician as a consultant and pay him for consulting. Which led to an interesting bonmot in a trial for corruption around here where a politician asked his "employer": "Uh, hey, say, what was my service to you again?"

      Yes, our politicians are even too stupid to be properly corrupt.

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    5. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The solution is for the people to wake up and pay attention to what their government is doing.

      Any "solution" that is premised on changing human nature is not a solution at all.

    6. Re: Companies shouldn't have political power by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bernie called for the immediate removal of pot from the Controlled Substances Act, which would effectively legalize pot at a federal level.

      The DNC platform language calls for a "pathway toward legalization", which is, of course, vague enough to be fairly meaningless and unenforceable against HRC once in office. And it barely passed, 81-80.

      Yet chipping away at bad laws a bit at a time has proven much more effective in the long term. Having people in office who understand this will be better than having blowhards who get blocked by the opposition constantly.

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    7. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Best interest. . There is the problem. You do not know what my best interest is. You might know what yours is or even what you want it to be but it may be completely different than mine.

      And you will find that along the way, there will be people with completely different best interest than either of us or even others.

    8. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do not know what my best interest is.

      There's a 99% chance that your best interest doesn't involve letting politicians get bribed. Some things are obvious for the vast majority of us.

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    9. Re: Companies shouldn't have political power by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes. Moderates like Obama have very little opposition.

      But he got a 'half way to universal healthcare measure' through congress, where a universal healthcare measure would not get through.
      With luck the next administration will get though the 'single payer' option, which will in the style of Zeno's paradox get 50% of the remaining way to universal healthcare.

      In time an incremental approach works. The all-in-one approach rarely succeeds.

      I'll take an pragmatic incrementer over someone calling for a revolution that will never happen.
       

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    10. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "And the solution is?"

      I like the proposal that has been floated to make all politicians wear their corporate sponsor logos on their suits every day, like NASCAR drivers.

    11. Re:Companies shouldn't have political power by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      *shrug* then there's no solution.

      Sure there is. Some countries are far more corrupt than others. But the difference is not in the people. People in Venezuela are no different from people in Denmark. The difference is in the laws and institutions. In corrupt countries, these are designed to facilitate corruption. In clean countries, they are designed to inhibit it.

      In America, when I apply for a business license, the law says that the clerk "will issue" when I pay the standard fee, which is posted on a public website. In corrupt countries, the clerk "may issue" and has much more discretion to delay and obstruct. In America, the clerk sits at a public window, and my transaction is in full view of the other people waiting in line. When I applied for a business license in China, I was escorted by the clerk to a private office, where "expediting fees" were discussed out of sight and hearing of the next applicant. The system there is designed to be corrupt.

  2. Re:Doses, not prescriptions. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The numbers here are doses, not prescriptions. Keep that in mind, folks. Not nearly as big a reduction as the blurb is trying to make it sound like.

    The study says the drop is greatest in states with legal MM, but implies there is a drop in other states as well. That information (the drop in other states) is conspicuously missing. What, then, is the reason overall for that drop? Also, since is a drop in prescriptions, maybe they could ask a few doctors why they are prescribing less. In some states like FL, there has been major crackdowns on excessive pain killer prescription writing.

  3. One of five big industries by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Informative

    Big Pharma is only one of five industries spending big money to keep it illegal. The rest are aggravating, too. Private prisons, prison guard unions, and actual law enforcement are also involved. Law enforcement should just enforce the laws, in my opinion. They should not be involved in lobbying for or against them, though.

    http://www.republicreport.org/...

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    1. Re:One of five big industries by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Dont forget the alcohol lobby.

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  4. Re:Doses, not prescriptions. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For more on painkiller crackdown;

    https://www.google.com/search?...

  5. Candy by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My wife had damaged the occipital nerve on the left side of her head in an accident. She had excruciating pain from this and went repeatedly to various doctors trying to get some help. They handed out hydrocodone and oxycodone like it was candy. After exhausting all options locally she was sent to a pain center. Their answer? More pills. I remember sitting there with a humongous bottle of hydrocodone and told her if you take all this shit it's going to kill you. I got her in to the pain clinic at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta and the doctor there did a nerve ablation that gave her relief from the pain. It came back and she had to have further treatment but the last 3 years have been pain free. It seems that if doctors can't figure what to do they just throw pills at it.

  6. Big pharmas hate it! by Z80a · · Score: 5, Funny

    Learn about the secret all natural plant that might get you off anti-depressants and painkillers that the big pharmas don't want you to know!

    1. Re:Big pharmas hate it! by blindseer · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is such a thing as "weed in a pill" and it is sold under the brand name Marinol. It is a schedule 3 drug under US law which means that prescribing it is under considerable scrutiny from the DEA. Low dose opiates and many mood altering drugs are schedule 4 and 5, which means the DEA is much less likely to scrutinize the physician for running a pill mill for addicts.

      I'm stepping a bit further into speculation here but it appears that there is a social aspect here on not wanting to be seen as a quack for prescribing "weed in a pill" when there are a number of other schedule 3 drugs which are widely accepted to treat pain, even though those pain pills contain opiates. Cannabinoids have been shown to treat issues besides pain but again there are other drugs on the same level of controls or lower that are more socially acceptable.

      If you are getting high from your pain meds then you are doing it wrong. I've been prescribed opiates for years for chronic pain and I take my pills carefully so that I don't get high from them. That high feeling was fun for a while but as you also found out that is no way to go through life. So I'll space out my doses, sometimes cut pills in half, so that I get the pain reducing benefits without that warm and tingly feeling.

      I have no formal medical training so my speculation on what you've experienced is from that of a pain patient, not a licensed medical provider. People can have different kinds of pain. People can react differently to medications. I've gone through a number of medications for my chronic pain and I've had some side effects that seemed to baffle the physicians that prescribed my meds. One example is Tramadol, some people love this drug as it reduces pain but has no significant side effects for them. Apparently I'm in the 1% of people where Tramadol produces sleeplessness. Tramadol will help with my pain but if I take it before noon then I may not be able to get to sleep that night.

      I've learned that just because something does not work for you does not mean it will not work for someone else. Humans are unlike many other species of animals out there. We've got such a varied genome that drugs can have a wide variety of effects. Animals like horses, cattle, and domestic cats don't have such variation so when drugs are tested on animals they don't always tell the whole story. The only animal that seems to be as widely varied as humans are dogs. My sister in law is a veterinary surgeon and she has to treat certain breeds of dogs as if they are a different species.

      Which brings me back to why the drug companies can't just put "weed in a pill". The effects for marijuana can vary widely on the person and so dosage is difficult. If put in a pill form the marijuana would have to be in a wide variety of dosages and/or the physicians may have to prescribe a rather unrealistic number of pills for some people. This would make the regulation difficult and make them expensive. Marijuana in its natural form is easy to meter in that it is dilute, just take a bite of a marijuana cookie if that is all you need or eat the whole thing. Marijuana is naturally cheap to produce, it's a plant that grows like a weed, processing it to a pill form would make it expensive.

      Probably the biggest reason that drug companies don't just put it in pill form is that there would be no profit in it. It would take only a minute for someone to see that the pills they are prescribed are just the same thing the stoner on the street corner is selling. Drug companies cannot compete with that.

      Then this quickly turns to politics. For a drug company to sell a drug derived from marijuana on the market they'd have to lobby the DEA to reschedule the drug. Since there is now a large gray market for this in many states the big drug companies know they cannot act quickly enough to get any profit from it. Their potential customers would be quickly grabbed up by the existing marijuana dealers. Those taking what the big companies are offering now might just s

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  7. Where are big pharma's recreational drugs? by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where are big pharma's recreational drugs? The ones they engineer from the ground up to provide a pleasant, short-term euphoria with designed-in features to prevent overdose, mitigate overconsumption and abuse, and cheap enough that they could be priced lower than mass-produced marijuana?

    I would kind of expect that somebody, somewhere would figure out that this would not only be big business but good public policy. Punitive measures to inhibit use of the existing classes of recreational drugs hasn't worked, so why not engineer alternatives that mimic those highs but minus as much of the negative side effects as possible?

    The current class of recreational drugs have all kinds of nasty side effects, addictions, overdose deaths, corrosive physical effects, hangovers, and all the social problems they produce. Marijuana isn't bad in comparison to most, but even it still has the lingering stupor and the smoking aspect.

    You would think that the bright guys in the lab would be able to come up with something new that minimized the negatives while still giving people something that would dissuade most people from bothering with the legacy highs.

  8. Pot Probably Safer than Benzodiazepines by BrendaEM · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having tried both, I feel that pot is less addictive than Atavian.

    When my mother had cancer, they gave her Benzodiazepines for stress. The withdraw she went thought was like nothing I have ever seen anyone go through from pot.

    Perhaps in a perfect world there would be no pot, but there wouldn't big drug and beer companies telling you and your government what to do.

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  9. Re:Can't wait by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, like I said, we are going to need new laws, not new "free trade" agreements. The criminal corporate overlords need to be taxed into submission, broken up into smaller companies and regulated until they scream Uncle!

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  10. Companies donate to campaigns. A lot. by XXongo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Companies will have power as long as they can make political donations.

    Companies in the US already have strong restrictions on "political donations".

    They may have "restrictions"-- but they find ways to donate anyway. Nice thing about corporations; they have lawyers to find the loopholes.

    Here's the top contributors list from OpenSecrets.org: https://www.opensecrets.org/or...

    What they can do is communicate on issues.

    Yes, that's the biggest loophole: the Political Action Committee ("PAC"). It's "supposed" to be to "communicate issues". Every candidate has one.
    "Political contributions, which used to go directly to candidates, now often flow to Super PACs, independent organizations that can raise money to either help or defeat a political candidate. Historically, traditional political action committees have been prohibited from accepting donations from unions and companies. However, following rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court and the Court of Appeals, Super PACs are now allowed to accept unlimited donations from unions and companies, provided the money does not go directly to the campaign.
    The rise of the Super PAC has opened the door to a new generation of fundraising, changing how money is used to elect candidates and increasing the amount candidates need to raise to be competitive as they seek office.

    (source: http://247wallst.com/special-r... )

    So, are you going to start massively censoring speech by companies? How exactly is that going to work? Does "company" include the New York Times, or only companies you don't like?

    A start would be a law mandating that money donated to political action committees has to be disclosed: if you're funding political campaigns, you have to do it openly, not secretly. This wouldn't even require overturning the Citizen's United decision: the Supreme court already said that this would be legal.

  11. Companies are not people by XXongo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Companies don't have "political power"; they can't vote, they can't serve in Congress.

    To the contrary, companies have plenty of political power. What we've discovered in the 20th century is that the money to run political campaigns is power.

    Companies simply inherit the right to free speech from their owners;

    Yes, that's the basis for the Supreme Court "Citizens United" decision. It is on questionable logical grounds however: corporations are not citizens, and while the people composing a corporation have first-amendment rights, it is not at all clear that the corporations themselves do. The belief that an object inherits the properties of the pieces composing it is one of the logical fallacies: this is the fallacy of composition.

    (Or see: Logically Fallacious: Fallacy of composition.)

    The alternative would be to say that the people themselves have the right to donate to political campaigns, but if they want to do so, they must do so personally, and not from the corporations. This is also perfectly reasonable: corporations are legal entities, not persons, and can be subject to different laws then people.

    1. Re:Companies are not people by XXongo · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You do not lose your rights to free speech and petitioning the government if you form a corporation. These rights are not taken away.

      A corporation does not inherently have rights. You still do.

  12. Re:Companies donate to campaigns. A lot. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Note your OpenSecrets list is for 2016 only, and is only what has been reported through Q1 2016. Many organizations hold their spending/influence until after the conventions. Looking at how the spending ends up is much more illustrative of where the money comes from.

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  13. Not a good track record by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where are big pharma's recreational drugs? The ones they engineer from the ground up to provide a pleasant, short-term euphoria with designed-in features to prevent overdose, mitigate overconsumption and abuse, and cheap enough that they could be priced lower than mass-produced marijuana?

    Drug manufacturers have a poor track record on that.

    In the 1800s, they noticed that opium worked as an analgesic, but had people using it simply for pleasure. So they engineered a new drug to just have the analgesic properties, and named it "morphine."

    That didn't work. It had a bad side effect: people who took opium or morphine experienced a side effect where they started craving it, called "opium appetite". So, pharmacies thought, well, we need to find a deliver it without the people eating it-- it could be delivered directly to the body, so people wouldn't have the craving (how could you have a craving for something you don't even taste?) So they invented needle injection to solve the opium appetite problem.

    That didn't work. Opium and morphine both turned out to be addictive, so they developed a new drug to solve that. This one they name it "heroin".

    That turned out to be even worse. So they went completely synthetic to make a new painkiller which didn't trace to the opium flower: Oxycodone.

    That turned out to be even more addictive...

  14. Re: Companies donate to campaigns. A lot. by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Basically, I think, what the AC you were replying to is calling for is open discussion of the spirit of the law, the letter of the law, and the ways in which the two disagree, coupled with making it illegal to do things that technically follow the letter while violating the spirit. Applied evenly, that's actually a very sound idea; for example, it would mean no more tickets for doing the regular posted speed limit past a school when school is in session and all children are inside the building, because the spirit of the law is to protect children (who aren't in danger when you're going more than 20MPH past a building they happen to be inside of) while the letter allows you to get slammed for it.

    Treason is, perhaps, a bit harsh, but I suppose it would depend on the nature of the law being twisted. For example, in the case of a law you're being prosecuted for violating, if it's a minor crime and/or it wasn't publicized at all, simply dropping the charges and paying 3x lost wages and legal costs should suffice; if it was made public or is a major crime that may affect your ability to find housing or work in the future, ongoing yearly payments of 10x the mean salary might be in order. That would serve as a deterrent against bullshit arrests and prosecution and lead to more common-sense enforcement of the law, which is something that needs to be highlighted in order to get votes, especially when the people doing the voting (e.g. politicians) benefit from at least one class of the loopholes being discussed.

    As for crimes you commit, which is what the AC was talking about (clearly you understand this, I'm just clarifying that I do as well) that's a much longer discussion. Perhaps too long for a single Slashdot post, but I think it would be interesting nonetheless, if you wish to pursue it.

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