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Windows 10 Warns Chrome and Firefox Users About Battery Drain, Recommends Switching To Edge (venturebeat.com)

A month after Microsoft claimed that its Edge web browser is more power efficient than Google Chrome and Firefox, the company is now warning Windows 10 users about the same. VentureBeat reports: Microsoft has turned on a new set of Windows Tips that warn Windows 10 users that Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox is draining their laptop's battery. The solution, according to the notification, is to use Microsoft Edge.In a statement to the publication, the company said: "These Windows Tips notifications were created to provide people with quick, easy information that can help them enhance their Windows 10 experience, including information that can help users extend battery life. That said, with Windows 10 you can easily choose the default browser and search engine of your choice."

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  1. 'Enhancements' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know what would enhance my windows 10 experience? Allow me to disable driver-breaking updates.

    1. Re:'Enhancements' by gweilo8888 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know what would enhance your Windows 10 experience even more? Uninstalling it.

    2. Re:'Enhancements' by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Informative

      he only needs to install this patch http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

    3. Re:'Enhancements' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Precisely. Using that same logic, they should suggest you uninstall windows and install Linux with just a shell. :)

  2. And on Chromebook... by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And when you run Edge or Firefox on a Chromebook, Chrome OS warns.... Oh wait. You can't run 3rd party browsers at all under Google's Chrome OS.

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    1. Re:And on Chromebook... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Which would piss me off if they sold it as a general purpose computer instead of a "Chromebook" that runs... Chrome.

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    2. Re:And on Chromebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And when you run Edge or Firefox on a Chromebook, Chrome OS warns.... Oh wait. You can't run 3rd party browsers at all under Google's Chrome OS.

      firefox runs just great on my chromebook, just install chrubuntu and it's just another linux box.

      tell us about the os choices on your surface hardware

    3. Re:And on Chromebook... by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's about holding a dominant position in the computer OS markets and utilizing that to further entrench your dominance. The same applies for example to Google using their dominant position on the search engine markets to promote their own products at the expense of competitors' visibility in search results.

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    4. Re:And on Chromebook... by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In related news, the European commission starts noticing a possible abuse of Android to skew the market against competitors:
      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/20/eu-commission-google-android-skew-market-competition-antitrust-vestager

      It seems quite possible that the next antitrust proceedings are brewing here...

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    5. Re:And on Chromebook... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except Edge sucks so incredibly bad that even if it made my battery last three times as long I wouldn't use it. With great effort we've finally rolled out our default apps XML file through GPO settings to all but make Edge disappear, because that astonishingly terrible hunk of shit even wants to open PDF files by default.

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    6. Re: And on Chromebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whether it's a steaming pile of diarrheatic human excrement... or not, is irrelevant. You should ignore its features and base your decisions on ethical point of views. Thst being said, what MS is doing is unethical. Ditch all MS products you can.

    7. Re:And on Chromebook... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      The real frustration for us in our organizational roll out was that it would outright not run at all, bringing up some rather nasty error dialog. We did manage to fix it with DISM command line repair options, but that was an incredibly arduous process. What we did find is that some of the failures of Edge, Cortana and the Start Menu on some systems appears to have been botched upgrade of V2 roamin profiles to V5 profiles, although we had seen nothing like this on the few systems in the test bed that we had upgraded to 8/8.1. But even where we got Edge up and running, users pretty much revolted right away, so we just ended up throwing the enterprise version of Chrome as a distribution via GPO, and with the reasonably comprehensive ADMX file Google has provided, we could even do some tinkering to Chrome's functionality.

      At this point, I can't imagine us even bothering with Edge. Even for our mobile users, I doubt the alleged difference in battery life could make up for how deficient it is. So, it goes in the same bucket IE did before. If someone really wants to use it, go to it, but our IT staff won't be supporting it.

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    8. Re:And on Chromebook... by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Let's ignore for the moment that you can put Linux on a Chromebook, which does run Linux kernel after all.

      You basically restated what I just said. If I buy a "laptop", I expect it to be a general-purpose computer. At the very least, it should run a general purpose OS like Windows. With some luck, you can make it run a different general-purpose OS. If I buy a Chromebook, I expect it to run Chrome. It's in the name: Chrome-book. I have no expectation that it should be a general purpose computer, and any ability to load a general purpose OS on it is pure gravy.

      It sounds like you are in the market for a general purpose computer. Don't buy a Chromebook.

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    9. Re:And on Chromebook... by joetomato · · Score: 3, Informative

      What's wrong with Edge?

      Your favourites folder is no longer able to be redirected, (They're stored in some awful location like %appdata%/localLow/Microsoft /{00423025-2252342fj90fcj2903} in some awful proprietary blob database, so if you're in an environment that you might use multiple computers there's no way to sync your favourites unless you log into the computer with a microsoft account (Or Azure AD account) And the GPO's available at the moment to configure it are pretty much non-existant. You can set the home page and a couple other things but other than that it's pathetic.

  3. Windows 10 isn't done until... by zkiwi34 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Chrome, Firefox, or for that matter anything not out of Microsoft won't run.

    1. Re:Windows 10 isn't done until... by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ironically Chrome runs just fine for me on Windows 10, however Edge does not. It regularly 'comes up' and then doesn't load correctly. This gives me a useless window that won't connect to sites on the internet. Ever. I open and close it enough it it may eventually open correctly. Chrome? Chrome always opens. Firefox did as well when I had it installed. Opera works fine and all the time as well. No idea why Edge can't work right, but it's the one I won't be using.

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    2. Re:Windows 10 isn't done until... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      See how much battery power it saves!

  4. "Google works better with Chrome" by Hardhead_7 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what's the news? Google pushes you to download Chrome every time you visit their site.

    1. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google doesn't have a monopoly on the desktop... hasn't been convicted of illegally using that monopoly to give a market advantage vs competitors including their browser. That would be apples to apples if Microsoft were advertising Edge on bing.

      Yet again, Microsoft is up to their old tricks. Sleezily shoving windows 10 down the throats of users and now slimy tricks to get people to install their new browser.

    2. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by Chmarr · · Score: 2

      You're right. They should be marked -2.

    3. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by WheezyJoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, and Yahoo (remember them?) suggests you run Firefox. But these are routinely ignored, jammed somewhere on a corner of the page. Attentive users may be annoyed for a few moments before moving on, while novice users have no awareness it was ever there. I mean, the page is displaying, isn't it? It's like you drive to McDonald's, and see a sign that says "Your ride here would have been more fun in a Chevy Malibu!" Nevertheless, you've arrived, your attention turns to your craving for salty oily processed food, and you go on your way.

      It's a different thing when the OS itself bitches at you. They tend to look like dire warnings, that send dumb users to the phones asking "am I doing something wrong?" Like Amber-Alert signs flashing at you to dump your ride for a Chevy Malibu cause you're wasting gas or something.

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    4. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by kheldan · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Knowing Microsoft's history, I wouldn't at all be surprised if it detects a 3rd-party browser being used, and intentionally disables power management to force battery drain, to trick you into using their browser instead.

      Hey, nice battery you've got there, end user, it would be a shame if something.. HAPPENED to it.. Maybe you'd better use our Edge browser, you know, for your own protection

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    5. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by chipschap · · Score: 2

      Right, Google has a monopoly on phones, because no one uses iPhones.

    6. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what's the news? Google pushes you to download Chrome every time you visit their site.

      I don't have to use Google. In fact, I use DuckDuckGo instead. I pretty much have to use Windows for business reasons. You see the difference?

      Then there is simply the old school belief that a computer OS should be a neutral platform, enabling the user to make the computer do its bidding, not serving up ads that you can't turn off on a device that you actually need to use.

    7. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by shaitand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google and Facebook are pretty sleazy but they don't have a monopoly. Idiots buy into their shit eyes wide open.

      Microsoft does have a monopoly and is actively trying to use it to dupe people into adopting their new products.

      Google and Facebook have set up a stand that says in big bold blinking letters. "Free stonecones with ass raping!" When questioned they say that everyone has to be ass raped in order to make free snow cones possible. But that isn't the point, the point is, you could simply choose to buy a snow cone at any of the other snow cone stands.

      Microsoft is setting up a booth in the doorway of the only grocery store in town with a sign saying "Free health checkup! You'll live longer using our quick and fun service." You then have to solve a rubiks cube to indicate you don't want the service and just want to go in the store, anything else, including putting the cube down results in a 6'5 greasy convict grabbing you and ass raping you.

      See the difference?

    8. Re:"Google works better with Chrome" by donaldm · · Score: 2

      Google doesn't have a monopoly on the desktop... hasn't been convicted of illegally using that monopoly to give a market advantage vs competitors including their browser. That would be apples to apples if Microsoft were advertising Edge on bing. Yet again, Microsoft is up to their old tricks. Sleezily shoving windows 10 down the throats of users and now slimy tricks to get people to install their new browser.

      Well to be fair, if you install Windows 10 or even upgrade to Windows 10 you do get the Edge browser by default. To get other web browsers if you did a fresh install (not sure about an upgrade) you actually have to use the Edge browser to get them.

      What I don't like about Windows 10 is by default all "settings" are turned on and while it is fairly easy to turn off the more intrusive settings you do have to edit the registry to lock down the OS even further. This is fine if you do have some technical knowledge or use third party software that you trust but most people have no idea how to secure Windows 10 and I think Microsoft likes it this way.

      Even if you lock down Widows 10 it still likes to phone home. I have Windows 10 in a virtual machine and on startup before I even log in, it actually goes out and talks to some machines and, you guessed it these machines are owned by Microsoft ( WireShark is great for detecting things like this). Needless to say, my Windows 10 virtual machine is hardly ever run and just remains a curiosity for me.

      Again being fair, Windows 10 appears to be a very functional OS and it is possible to turn off most of the intrusive settings, however, if I compare it against my Fedora 24 plasma spin which I can customise to what I like and want it is rather pedestrian.

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  5. No thanks, again. by ITRambo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've found Edge to be unstable on many sites. It's also slower than Chrome, Firefox, or Opera. The biggest issue I have with Edge is that I cannot add uBlock Origin as an extension, which reduces data usage and speeds up browsing. Edge is a real POS that should never have been released when it was. Edge being the default browser on Windows 10 is what helped Chrome become the most widely used desktop browser. Microsoft will do and say whatever they can to try to win people back to the MS browser camp. No thanks.

    1. Re:No thanks, again. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've not used edge much, but in its defence, it is better than the previous IE.

      In the same way that the common cold is better than norovirus.

  6. It is somewhat misleading though... by madwheel · · Score: 2

    Edge saves power on a few benchmarks but not across the board. Throwing out an arbitrary number of "x" percent could be saved by switching will confuse all the family members that call, asking if they should switch. On the other end, Windows 10 is their own product. They can kind of do whatever they want, and we can decide if we use them or not.

  7. Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's laughable that they claim to care about the battery now. If they really cared, they'd let me shut down my fucking laptop without installing updates.

    Hey Microsoft! I don't always have time or battery power to sit around waiting for updates to install!

    1. Re:Laughable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know, on my own system on my own time I definitely do this.

      But when I'm on site with a client's system and I have to make the judgement call: screw the OS and waste the afternoon rebuilding/restoring, or wait out the upgrades, it's a tough decision. Last one I did was a 90 minute fucking wait. Screw that.

  8. Re:Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I expect most of it is because Edge is already running in the background (Integrated web browser). So When running Chrome of Firefox it is using more power because you are running Edge and the other browser. If you could fully deIntegrate the web browser from Windows You may see Windows running with less power requirement. And when you kick off a third party browser you may not see such a drane.

    Also I expect your other browsers are using the extra processing power to do things like properly rendering the page. And not the cheapo decade behind the times compatibility that Edge has to offer.

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  9. Re:Consistency people by torkus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yup, but not on my desktop itself.

    I only see those notifications when I visit google's webpage as part of (or in place of) other ads.

    As opposed to a 'notification area' being used as an advertising area. It'd be nice though if they made a button called 'yeah I acutally know what i'm doing, leave me alone' ... I mean besides installing linux of course.

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  10. is there by desdinova+216 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    an ad blocker for edge. last time I tried it they didn't have any ad blocker (please no host file APK spam) I refuse to run a browser without ad blocking because of malware.

    1. Re:is there by ljw1004 · · Score: 3, Informative

      an ad blocker for edge. last time I tried it they didn't have any ad blocker (please no host file APK spam) I refuse to run a browser without ad blocking because of malware.

      Yes, the ad blockers so far released for Edge are "Adblock" and "Adblock Plus"
      https://www.engadget.com/2016/...

      They're for the anniversary update, currently available on the insiders program, due for general release on August 2nd.

  11. Re:Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    Oh, on the contrary. It is very *well* concieved and implemented.

    It was conceived to be privacy destroying nightmare, and they did a fantastic job building it.

  12. What's next? by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

    Will Microsoft pitch a warning that LibreOffice is stressing your hard drive more than a fresh copy of Office would? (click here to buy)

    Howabout you plug in your smart phone to charge, and Windows replies with a message that Android nerds are sad losers with tight pants and bad hair, quick use this coupon and receive a lovely Lumia and join the Windows Winner's Revolution.
    You heard it here first. Marketers gotta monetize.

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    1. Re:What's next? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Given the rather mediocre market share of Win10 after a VIOLENTLY aggressive campaign I think it's fair to say it sucks at being either.

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    2. Re:What's next? by lucm · · Score: 2

      We're not talking about nuclear reactor plans here. This is just documents, we don't need pixel perfect. Yes if you open a MS-Word 97 document in BrokenOffice or LibreOffice it may get a little off here and there, but for the most part it will work.

      The problem is that those alternatives suck compared to the original. Microsoft fails at creating high quality applications in general, but somehow for Word, Excel and PowerPoint they've hit the sweet spot. Just like the iPod; the competition never got it as good as the original. Anyone who says LibreOffice is a total piece of shit is wrong, but anyone who claims it offers a better user experience than Microsoft Office is a zealot or an idiot.

      But see Microsoft also created Outlook (a true horror) and Apple created iTunes (total garbage), while open source projects created Krita and Netbeans and many oher applications that are better than most commercial alternatives. So you can never assume that something is better or worse because of who made it.

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    3. Re:What's next? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      We're not talking about nuclear reactor plans here. This is just documents, we don't need pixel perfect.

      Ahh, there we go. You have made yourself quite clear Your bar is set around 2 or so.

      Yes if you open a MS-Word 97 document in BrokenOffice or LibreOffice it may get a little off here and there, but for the most part it will work.

      I made a mistake, You are so beholden to Microsoft that you accept failure You have no bar.

      The problem is that those alternatives suck compared to the original.

      I have old microsoft doc files that won't even open up in newer versions, yet show up pretty as you please in OO or AO. What the hell kind of Bizzarro world do you live in where the application that doesn't work is superior, and the application that saves yer sorry backside does, but that makes it suck?

      Microsoft fails at creating high quality applications in general, but somehow for Word, Excel and PowerPoint they've hit the sweet spot.

      If you define "sweet Spot" as working only on the same version, everyone using the same version, that you do not need historical documents, and you only work on one platform, it is adequate.

      And that's really great work if you can get it. Some of us however, have historical documents to access, we have documents across a large number of versions and different originating softwares. Microsoft office is a complete non-starter there. Anyone who says LibreOffice is a total piece of shit is wrong,

      Yet you wrote:

      The problem is that those alternatives suck compared to the original.

      Way to be consistent Sparky! Which one is it?

      but anyone who claims it offers a better user experience than Microsoft Office is a zealot or an idiot.

      Or needs cross platform compatibility. Or needs to open many versions of documents, from different sources and software.

      I don't mean to be cruel, but seriously my good man, You need to get this through yer brain pan, cuz sumpin ain't clickin'. Some of us need Office applications that do not restrict themselves to one platform and one platform only. There are office Applications that reproduce flawlessly across Windows, OSX, and Linux platforms, and Microsoft office simply does not do that, so it is a total failure at that, no matter what you might think.

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    4. Re: What's next? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Informative

      You still ain't shown anything to backup your incredible claims.

      https://support.office.com/en-...

      Office for Mac doesn't run correctly within itself. https://support.microsoft.com/...

      Some ways to help - but not a complete list. http://www.officeformachelp.co...

      A bad answer, but more problems http://answers.microsoft.com/e... As they say "most likely" That will take care of some issues but not all.

      http://www.walternelson.com/dr...

      Here you are told to do exactly what an above link tells you not to do http://presentationsoft.about....

      Just general things https://support.microsoft.com/...

      This one is cute - directly from Microsoft and I quote> "However, high compatibility workbooks/projects can be achieved", as well as "There may well be a solution or workaround." Hozabout that? High compatibility is not compatibility, and workarounds are not compatibility. http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

      And with Office 365 in particular http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

      So anyhow there is about as much as I'm willing to do for you, coward. Any more, and do your own research Which of course is a non starter isn't it?

      Right from Microsoft, they speak of it's issues. Take it up with them. Sparky.

      Meantime, I'm using a suite that doesn't have those issues.

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  13. Re:Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery by chipschap · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well ... seriously, on my Asus Zenbook running Linux Mint 17.2, I get 10 hours of battery life if I'm not running Chrome but that goes down to 4 hours if I leave Chrome up in the background.

    I have to agree that Chrome is a battery eater; Firefox is a lot easier on my battery, but not running processes I don't need is even better.

    I don't have Windows installed so I can't compare with Edge.

  14. Re:Warning: Windows 10 is draining your battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whoah, wait, Edge is integrated into Windows? Didn't we already go down this path with IE way back when? ugh :(

  15. Re:google chrome sleep mode? by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Chrome will automatically unload the contents of tabs you can't see in low memory conditions.

    Which makes it harder to open things in tabs to read later while offline, as it'll often try to reload them from the Internet instead of cache.

  16. Old dog, old tricks by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the late 1990s Microsoft was found guilty of violations of the anti-trust laws for using their monopoly in one market (operating systems) to leverage market share in another market (browsers). Through a number a dirty tactics, Microsoft stole the browser market from Netscape and avoided the creation of an independent, OS-neutral, platform for running applications.

    Now, twenty years later, Microsoft up to its old tricks. Using the Windows 10 market share to leverage its browser. I'm thinking the Department of Justice might want to take a look at the Microsoft consent decree from their last conviction.

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    1. Re:Old dog, old tricks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      > where Google refuses to allow any YouTube apps on Windows Phones

      That is not true. Microsoft wrote an app that abused YouTube's terms of service, so Google asked for it to be removed. Later it was reinstated without the ability to download and save videos, which was the issue.

      There are several YouTube apps available on Windows Phone so you are completely wrong.

      > Microsoft is not the bad guy,

      Yes, they were. Microsoft knew YouTube's terms of service and deliberately abused them.

    2. Re:Old dog, old tricks by unrtst · · Score: 2

      These are the new days, where Google refuses to allow any YouTube apps on Windows Phones. But Microsoft puts its apps everywhere.

      OMFG. Are you fucking kidding me? Where's Microsoft Office for Ubuntu (or any linux distro)? They are not putting their apps everywhere, and they're doing the same shit they've always done. They took the time to get some bastard version of Ubuntu running in Windows 10, but all Linux gets is a really broken alpha version of Skype.
      You can argue that they don't need to do that all you want, but then there is no reason Google/YouTube should support Windows Phones either - that's an even smaller market than Linux.

      This warning thing is in bad form. I don't know how they managed to get away with the windows 10 update stuff getting forced down everyones throats, but they have thus far, so this will probably stay in place (or get worse) for a long time.

    3. Re:Old dog, old tricks by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Let me dust off a quote from one of my posts on various forums back in the 1990s:

      "The best solution is to break up Microsoft into two companies: An OS company which does nothing but produce Windows, not favoring any software. And an Applications company which makes software like Office, IE, etc., not favoring any operating system."

  17. Re:A mistake was made.doc by dbIII · · Score: 2
    You are replying to someone who had to learn how to write macros for MS Excel three times because the entire language used for them changed three times.
    Backwards compatibility is not a valued feature in MS Office and various measures to "clean out cruft" have meant that all Open/libreoffice had to do to have better compatibility is not throw things away.



    I still stand by the very old lesson from the days before MS Word was integrated with Excel etc - if multiple people are working on stuff with the same non-standard file format and appearance matters then they had all better be using the same software and the same version of that software. Not long ago there were a ridiculous number of fuckups in my workplace due to MS Office 2010/2013 incompatibility.

    whenever someone says those work better than MS-Office

    Depending on the situation they often do - graphing in MS Excel sucks in a technical environment and the current UI for MS Office adds a lot of time consuming busywork that did not previously exist in menu driven UIs.