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Saudi Arabia Revives 15-Year-Old Ban On 'Zionism-Promoting' Pokemon (timesofisrael.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Clerics in Saudi Arabia have renewed a 15-year-old ban on Pokemon, following the release of the highly popular augmented reality version of the game, Pokemon Go. According to Reuters, the General Secretariat of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars reaffirmed a 2001 ban on the game. The Times of Israel reports: "While fatwa no. 21,758 makes no mention of the latest iteration of [the] game, it does list many sinful aspects of Pokemon. Firstly, the game is seen as a form of gambling, which itself is forbidden. Secondly, it encourages belief in Darwin's theory of evolution, and thirdly, the fatwa says, the symbols used in the game promote the Shinto religion of Japan, Christianity, Freemasonry and 'global Zionism.'" The ruling says: "The symbols and logos of devious religions and organizations are used [including] the six-pointed star: You rarely find a card that does not contain such a star. It is associated with Judaism, the logo and sign of the State of Israel, and the first symbol of the Masonry organizations in the world." Pokemon Go has been such a success that it has already doubled Nintendo's stock price after launching just two weeks ago.

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  1. Are all the rare Pokemon hiding in Meca by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are they trying to keep us from the Rare Desert Pokemon?

  2. Re: Build a wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    OK, but you have to admit that this one is good legislation.

    *ducks out*

  3. They sound completely insane by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read this and I'm just shaking my head at how incredibly ludicrous every word in that statement was.

    If it weren't for the fact that millions of people live under the oppression of this sort of thinking, it would actually be funny.

    When will these people finally join the 21st century and stop basing their entire lives around this bullshit?

    1. Re:They sound completely insane by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      When will these people finally join the 21st century and stop basing their entire lives around this bullshit?

      Their whole society and all their peers will ostracize them when they live in such a religious society. You're right, though. It's what's needed.

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    2. Re:They sound completely insane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They can't join the 21st century because their entire culture is rooted in bronze age bullshit.

      They should have been cut off from modern society completely and eventually forgotten.

      But of course, when we are beholden to petroleum companies, the sick and degenerate middle east gets a seat at the table.

    3. Re:They sound completely insane by Nemyst · · Score: 2

      Only good news is that this reaction is clearly borne out of fear: they're worried of losing their grasp, that the rest of the world will seep in and reveal how completely retarded their religious laws actually are. A religion assured of its dominance over the population wouldn't need to suppress that sort of thing, for they would trust their followers to remain loyal to the creed.

    4. Re:They sound completely insane by Copid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's something I've often wondered: If you have a custom of throwing people who don't believe in the volcano god into a volcano, how long will it take after everybody stops believing in the volcano god for somebody to ask, "So do we all really still believe this stuff?"

      I'm thinking it might be a pretty long time.

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    5. Re:They sound completely insane by nikkipolya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very true. It is the fear of the consequences of non-conformity that makes people conform. And seeing bright people conforming, turns the dumb into fanatics. Its a vicious loop.
      I would have modded you up, but I do not have mod points.

    6. Re:They sound completely insane by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is an attitude in many Christian circles as well. We're talking 21st century Christians in Murica, the same people that condemned D&D and Harry Potter. Plenty of them in Europe as well though not so prominent.

      http://www.charismanews.com/op...

    7. Re:They sound completely insane by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'll find some folks in just about every religion that are wound waaay too tight and see the devil in everything. The rest enjoy their games and movies like everyone else.

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    8. Re:They sound completely insane by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Galileo's ideas took 200 years or so to catch on. Assuming the same for Darwin, we should be seeing some movement in the next 30-40 years.

    9. Re:They sound completely insane by abies · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not really - Christianity is evolving. It basically loses edge as time is passing, becoming 'lukewarm' religion. Look at Church of England as extreme case of that, but same route can be seen in most subsects. On the other hand, Islam is frozen in time, actively fighting any kinds of changes (given what happened over very trivial differences between Shia and Sunni, you should not expect any bigger changes for next few thousand years).

    10. Re:They sound completely insane by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Say it with me: Islam is not a race.

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    11. Re:They sound completely insane by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I've often heard the following related, occasionally to point out the absurdity of corporate policy. There are several versions, but here's one I found from a quick Google search:

      It happened that there were three monkeys in a cage. Suspended at the top if the cage was a bunch of bananas. There was a ladder from the floor of the cage up to the bananas. One of the monkeys, who was both clever and agile and also liked bananas, decided to head up the ladder to grab a banana.

      Imagine his surprise (not to mention that of the other two monkeys) when suddenly a fire hose washed down the cage, blasting all three monkeys over to one side. Cold and shivering, the three monkeys regrouped and thought about what had happened.

      Monkeys don’t have a real long memory and, after awhile, a second monkey thought again about the bananas and headed up the ladder. Same thing—a fire hose washed all three monkeys over to the side of the cage. They picked themselves up, shook themselves off and hoped the sun would come out to warm them up.

      After another couple of hours, the third monkey couldn’t resist and he went for it. Sure enough, same result—fire hose and cold, wet, miserable monkeys.

      Finally, all three monkeys became convinced that going for the bananas was a bad idea, and went on with the rest of their lives.

      Then the zookeeper drafted one of the monkeys for another exhibit and replaced him with a new monkey. The new monkey arrived, looked up at the bananas, looked over at the ladder and couldn’t figure out why the other monkeys hadn’t gone for the bananas. He headed for the ladder and got about 1 rung up when the remaining "experienced" monkeys tackled him, dragged him to the floor and pummeled him into submission. He quickly concluded that climbing the ladder wasn’t a good idea.

      A week later, the zookeeper replaced the second monkey. Monkeys are somewhat single-minded. The new monkey spied the bananas, headed for the ladder, and the remaining two monkeys tackled him and pummeled him into submission.

      Finally the third monkey was replaced and, you guessed it, the same thing happened. So life went on among the monkeys and after some time the first of the "new" monkeys was replaced with yet another monkey. Sure enough, the new guy saw the bananas, went for the ladder and his two peers then tackled him and beat him into submission.

      Why was that? None of these monkeys knew anything about the fire hose. None of them had ever gotten wet for having climbed the ladder in the quest for bananas. Yet the monkeys had been fully culturalized to know that it was a bad idea. And you could likely go on individually replacing monkeys one at a time forever and expect the same result.

      The Parable of the Monkeys can be readily applied to just about every organizational community structure in the human sphere. We can laugh at the silly monkeys, but humans are the only creatures on Earth capable of amassing and arming themselves to fight and die by the tens and hundreds of thousands because another human claims yet another human is building firehoses to keep all the bananas for himself.

    12. Re:They sound completely insane by Empiric · · Score: 3, Informative

      I assume you mean Copernicus' ideas, and that you're excluding Galileo's ideas of God's existence, which he never repudiated.

      And that you're excluding that the same Catholicism has accepted evolution for a long time now.

      But other than that.

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    13. Re:They sound completely insane by Empiric · · Score: 2

      Your scope of "as time is passing" seems rather inappropriately restricted.

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    14. Re:They sound completely insane by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      False equivalencies. What percentage of global Christianity believes that Pokemon is evil versus what percentage of global Islam is under Sharia law and/or believes that Pokemon is evil AND that women are second class citizens?

      By the way... you know that when you use words like "Murica" you automatically lose any argument with an adult, right?

    15. Re:They sound completely insane by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not so much that Christianity is losing its "edge" so much as that it's lost its political influence. Go take a look, there are lots of nutjobs in Christian churches that will talk about how Pokemon is demonic/evil/etc (or Harry Potter, or what have you). The main difference is that these people don't have a direct pipeline to getting laws passed as a result. They used to, back in the old days, but over time they've increasingly lost that power - first the formal link based on direct power, and then later the informal links based on influence.

      But don't think for a minute that they don't want that power back.

    16. Re:They sound completely insane by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      The same can be said about Christianity.

      That's easy to show as false. Compare "Christian" countries to Muslim ones.

    17. Re:They sound completely insane by Empiric · · Score: 2

      "The Big-Bang, that is placed today at the origin of the world, does not contradict the divine intervention but exacts it,â Francis said, speaking at a ceremony in the Vatican Gardens inaugurating a bronze bust in honor of his successor, Pope Benedict XVI. "The evolution in nature is not opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve."

      more

      You may be thinking of an atheistic assertion of evolution. That part is a non-sequitur leap from biological evolution, a leap which is both untestable and unscientific. I am not suggesting the illogical "evolution, therefore atheism".

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    18. Re: They sound completely insane by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Well, they do a lot of charity work.

      When we live in a world where little girls are attacked, have acid thrown in their faces, or killed outright, just because they wanted to go to school to learn about things beyond being wives and baby-making machines, and where there are violent assholes running around, blowing up historical landmarks, archaeological sites, killing people just because they don't believe in some Invisible Sky God the same exact way they do, and cutting off people's heads on gods-be-damned YouTube, and some are denying their kids much-needed vaccinations or not taking them to the doctor when they're very, very sick because their 'god' says they shouldn't believe in such things, then so far as I'm concerned all the 'charity work' you could ever do does not balance the scales against all that.

      I desperately want the human brain to finally evolve past the need for all this superstitious, mystical, irrational gods/religion/spirituality bullshit, and embrace rational thinking, reason, real knowledge, and a hunt for real truth.

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    19. Re:They sound completely insane by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's your link for the Islam numbers. Short version: The number of places under Sharia law is growing, and - more shocking -- the number of Muslims in western countries like the US and the UK who *wish* they were living under Sharia Law and would like to see their country change its legal system to one that was theology based is *growing.*

      47 percent of all American Christians identify themselves as "Evangelical," although only 62 percent of those "Evangelicals" believe that abortion should be illegal in all states, so they're probably not what you would describe as a real Pokemon-fearing Evangelical. Link with stats

      Look, I'm not here to do your homework for what is common sense to anyone who is not a dyed-in-the-wool Jihad apologist. Radical Islam is an existential threat to western civilization, and it's growing. Christianity is NOT an existential threat, and their numbers are diminishing. Get your head out of your ass and start doing some of the research yourself.

    20. Re:They sound completely insane by Copid · · Score: 2

      I think of this a lot when I hear about atheism really "catching on." I wonder what percentage of the population has always thought the whole thing was nonsense and never wanted to spend the social capital (or the time in prison, depending on the culture) to say anything about it. That's why I can't really get all riled up about the "militant atheists" who supposedly mess everything up. The key service they offer is to provide cover to atheists to be honest about not believing.

      It's also just like gay rights: Everybody hated gay people when nobody knew any of them. As soon as everybody had a totally normal friend who admitted to being gay, we stopped thinking it was a great idea to kick them around, resulting in more people coming out. We didn't just suddenly create a bunch of gay people over the course of a generation.

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  4. Sorry, couldn't resist by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Israel: "Palestinian territories; gotta catch em all!"

    1. Re:Sorry, couldn't resist by murdocj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny thing, if the Arabs states had just let Israel be instead of trying to crush it in 1948, Israel would be a tiny bit of land that they wouldn't even notice. Instead, the whole "drive the Jews into the sea" thing kind of backfired on them.

    2. Re:Sorry, couldn't resist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even more irony: if the Palestinians hadn't promised rivers of blood even earlier and agreed to what the Jews offered, Israelis wouldn't even have the area of land decided on by the UN: they would have less than 30% in the very northern tip, just south of Lebanon.*

      Of course, they probably all would have been murdered just a little later.

      And to rub salt in the wound: most of the lands in Israel have ancient titles stretching back into the Ottomon period. For a very long time Jews couldn't hold it, but leading into the end of the Ottomon Empire they began allowing Jews to buy the titles from the mostly Egyptian (but Muslim) landlords who held them. Most of the "dispossessed" Palestinians were not, in fact, in possession of the land, ever, either as native residents, a government, or people in any way, and were merely renters (they had been desert nomads). The Jews who were either in or moving into Israel? They began pooling all their resources to buy the land and houses from their legal owners, and when the time became suitable (e.g. having kids) they moved-in, having to ask their renters to go.

      So Palestinians really are the occupiers, not titleholders. A bunch of Jews are: with Ottoman and Egyptian seals on the old docs to prove it. But their government *did* offer to surrender that land if they would be peaceable dwelt with and allowed to have their own tiny state in the very most northern tip--and the idiots cried "there will be rivers of blood" instead, and so got what was theirs: nothing.

      * Lebanon too, by the way, was created (in that case by France) to keep an endlessly targeted group (Assyrian Christians) of Islam-mandated bloodthirst out of their grips, but they swarmed and outbred them, and back around 2005 the president was giving a veiled speech which basically begged Israel "for the love of God help and bomb our southern cities to kill Hamas."

    3. Re:Sorry, couldn't resist by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      2 wrongs don't make a right.

    4. Re:Sorry, couldn't resist by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Funny thing, if an Israeli hadn't assassinated Rabin... You don't have a conflict this big without having irrational bigoted extremists on both sides.

    5. Re:Sorry, couldn't resist by Threni · · Score: 2

      I always said this about hitler and poland, saddam and kuwait etc. But people call me a fucking idiot. Something about letting evil prevail?

    6. Re:Sorry, couldn't resist by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      Evidently you missed this little thing called "reconstruction". Also your metaphor sucks because there hasn't been a confederacy for over a hundred years. I chose pro-ISIS for a reason, it's a currently extant group which is actively attacking the US (and damn near everyone else for that matter).

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  5. Huge Mischaracterization - Not promoting Darwanism by Mateorabi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, such insanity. Clearly Pokémon Go is promoting a Lamarckian Theory of Evolution, not a Darwinian Theory of Evolution.

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  6. Stock price by flopsquad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pokemon Go has been such a success that it has already doubled Nintendo's stock price after launching just two weeks ago.

    Well good luck maintaining that bubble, Nintendo, now that people can't openly play Pokemon Go in Saudi Arabia. Time to start shorting NTDOY and hoarding gold.

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    1. Re:Stock price by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Time to start shorting NTDOY and hoarding Golduck.

      FTFY.

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  7. I'm pretty sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if the Middle East had their way, we would still be in the Dark Ages.

    We're gonna ban Pokemon, but it's cool to beat your wife or jail folks for "insulting" Islam and other ludicrous nonsense.

    How can a modern World leader, look them in the eye and not just bust out laughing ? How on Earth does anyone take them seriously on anything ?

    Unless they pull off a miracle, the entire Middle East will be instantly forgotten once our reliance on oil dries up.

    They really have nothing to fall back on.

    1. Re:I'm pretty sure by idji · · Score: 2

      And that is why Elon Musk might win a Nobel peace prize for making oil irrelevant in Americans' lives.

  8. Re:Pokémon, not "Pokemon" by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    So is this the new version of "cracker, not hacker"?

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  9. Conflicts with Reality by Nivag064 · · Score: 2

    If a Law Conflicts with Reality, then the Law brings itself into Disrepute!

  10. There but for the grace of... by Early+Six+Digit+UID · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, I'm glad we don't have any of that craziness here in the US...
    ...damn

    1. Re:There but for the grace of... by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      Man, I'm glad we don't have any of that craziness here in the US...

      Stop interrupting. We're trying to have our Two Minutes Hate against Muslims here. No fair bringing up our own Right Wing Conservative Theocrats.

      Because a random person on the internet equates to a national government?

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    2. Re:There but for the grace of... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because a random person on the internet equates to a national government?

      We have random people on the Internet running for president. It's not that big a leap.

      Think about the news in the past week. We had a Duck Dynasty guy speaking at the national convention of a major political party. We had another speaker at that convention claim that the opponent is "serving Lucifer". The clock is running on our moral superiority.

      http://www.dailysquat.com/wp-c...

      https://twitter.com/JasonHavey...

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  11. Turkey by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is where Turkey is headed now too, after the staged coup which was used as justification for purging tens of thousands of secular leaning judges, teachers and soldiers.

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    1. Re:Turkey by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      To be fair you'd expect most participants in a military coup to not know it was a coup, or at the very least not question it. Chain of command is part of how they work.

      Get your men, we're attacking the president's house.

      Right-o

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  12. Re: Build a wall by cunina · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's the old Vatican. I wouldn't be surprised if the current Pope has a replica wand and Time-Turner.

  13. Remind me again by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why we're friends with these guys? Oh yeah, cheap oil for our cars. Well I guess it's either that or the bus...

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  14. The ban doesn't appear to be working by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just because it has been condemned by the General Secretariat of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars doesn't mean people won't be playing it. As I walk around Riyadh I can see many people playing Pokemon Go, so perhaps not such a big deal as some of the posters make out.

  15. Re:Huge Mischaracterization - Not promoting Darwan by johannesg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, such insanity. Clearly Pokémon Go is promoting a Lamarckian Theory of Evolution, not a Darwinian Theory of Evolution.

    We are talking about a people who don't build any buildings with triangles in them, just because the triangle is a symbol of Christianity (it represents the father, son, and holy spirit). And who ban words with the letter 'X' in them because the X resembles a cross. I don't see why we should have any expectation of rationality out of that bunch.

  16. Religion is a mental disorder by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least it would fulfill every criteria in the ICD-10 F22.0 definition of delusion if religions were not explicitly exempt. Because, well, what's the difference between a delusion and a religion except the fact that a lot of people have the same delusion?

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    1. Re:Religion is a mental disorder by dskoll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only is religion a mental disorder, it has the dubious distinction of being a communicable mental illness, which is something very rare indeed.

    2. Re:Religion is a mental disorder by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That works for all the other delusions as well. Religions, cults, conspiracy theories, SJWs... same shit, different name.

      In the end, they all claim to have the moral high ground, they claim they have the truth, they have zero problem with internal contradictions and anyone who dares to tell them that they're crazy, and offer logical, conclusive examples on why they are, are heretics/shills/whatever.

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    3. Re:Religion is a mental disorder by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only is religion a mental disorder, it has the dubious distinction of being a communicable mental illness, which is something very rare indeed.

      I'm not sure that communicable mental illnesses are so rare. Belief in things like racial superiority and class superiority, along with the various forms of servitude or outright slavery they engender, are also communicable 'social diseases'. Then there are various irrational 'fad' beliefs, such as those of anti-vaxxers. Hell, advertising and marketing are the commercial versions of mental disease propagation. (It's interesting that 'propaganda' and 'propagate' share a common Latin root).

      Because we humans can communicate with a great degree of specificity and detail, various forms of mental, emotional, and intellectual health deficits are communicable. Language is a mental disease vector.

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  17. Here you go... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Informative

    21758

    The reasons stated for banning are, in this order: gambling, evolution, use of religious symbols of other religions ("six-pointed star of Judaism", "the cross", "angles and triangles - Masonry", "Symbols of the Shinto creed").

    So... the "Zionism-promoting" thing is invention and interpretation of Times of Israel, as neither Zionism nor Israel are mentioned in the fatwa.
    Other than that, the entire thing reads like any other religious edict of any religion - detached from reality, one leg in conspiracy theories and religious paranoia, other leg firmly cemented in mental issues.

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  18. Thank you by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    "Haven't you noticed, muslims are often completely insane?"

    Fuck off. There is nothing wrong with Muslims or Islam you racist piece of shit.

    If someone is committing a terrorist act claiming that they are doing it because they are a Muslim or in the name of Islam it is bullshit. Islam is peaceful. They are either lying about being muslim/islamic or they are a Zionist stooge.

    Thank you, I had forgotten the "they blame everything on the Zionists" to add to the list of muslim insanities. You obviously suffer from a lot of them