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China Wants To Be a Top 10 Nation For Automation By Putting More Robots In Its Factories (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares a Reuters report: China is aiming for a top-10 ranking in automation for its industries by 2020 by putting more robots in its factories, the International Federation of Robotics (IFR) said. China's push to modernize its manufacturing with robotics is partly a response to labor shortages and fast-rising wages. But the world's second-largest economy still has far lower robot penetration than other big industrialized economies -- just 36 per 10,000 manufacturing workers in 2015, ranking it 28th among the world's most automated nations. By 2020, it aims to boost penetration to 150 per 10,000 workers, IFR said in a statement, citing Wang Ruixiang, President of the China Machinery Industry Federation. To help reach that goal, China aims for sales of 100,000 domestically produced industrial robots a year by 2020, up 49 percent compared with last year, the IFR said in a statement at an industry summit in Shanghai, where the Chinese federation's chief was speaking.

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  1. Jobs... by tekrat · · Score: 2

    And yet Trump keeps telling his rubes that jobs are coming back. They are not coming back. Workers will be replaced by robots. How he's going to force companies to manufacture in the USA without adding legislation (because he said he would reduce legislation against corporations) is beyond me...

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    1. Re:Jobs... by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      > How he's going to force companies to manufacture in the USA without adding legislation (because he said he would reduce legislation against corporations) is beyond me...

      Import tariffs and tax breaks.

    2. Re:Jobs... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      So maybe in Trump's bloviating buffoon mind he thinks he can raise the import duty / tariffs sky high as protectionism to force jobs to come back.

      The US has import tariffs on around 12,000 items already, many of which are there to keep companies in the US in business. Paperclips have a 127% import tax. Which is why nearly all of them sold in the US are made in the US. Peanuts are taxed between 130% and 160% Tobacco has a 350% import tax. Those are products that tariffs have successfully kept producers in the US in business.

      The president, in 2011, tried to keep tire manufacturing in the US by raising the tariff on Chinese made tires to 35%. But all it managed to do was to move manufacturing to countries other than China.

      Of course for worst case we can go back to the tariff wars caused by the Fordney-McCumber Tariff. Once European countries also raised their import tariffs from the US we got the great depression.

      There's certainly something to be said for using tariffs to keep companies in business. Japan has used tariffs and insane regulations to protect their own automotive industry. Obviously if import taxes are pressed too hard it can have a huge backlash too.

      As for Trump, like most politicians and businessmen, I'm sure his private persona is much different from his public one. Not that I can see myself voting for him or Hillary.

    3. Re:Jobs... by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Yes, although there are a few things that are the responsibility of the legislature that can, if the stars align, be usurped by the executive. The Presidency has been becoming more and more powerful over the years. There are tricks that can be used to apply a veneer of legality to what is not strictly legal, although you need popular support for that sort of thing to work.

      Of course, Trump is trying to generate an air of urgency around his campaign. We're in decline, we're under seige. New ideas are needed, etc. Blah blah blah. That same urgency can be used to enact constitutionally "innovative" ideas. There have been a number of well intentioned power grabs like the New Deal and Great Society and some much less well intentioned ones in between.

    4. Re:Jobs... by lgw · · Score: 2

      And yet Trump keeps telling his rubes that jobs are coming back. They are not coming back. Workers will be replaced by robots.

      There are barely more manufacturing jobs in the US than there are farming jobs. Those aren't the jobs people care about - we're a service economy now. Automation threatens to displace service workers the way it already has manufacturing workers - but that's far enough out that neither Trump nor his supporters are complaining about it.

      OTOH, service jobs (especially low-skilled) are being lost to lost to recent immigrants, and that's an immediate problem that a president can do something about. That's really the core of Trump's appeal, in fact. The very wealthy of course only want unlimited immigration, because lower wages helps that crowd. OTOH, unlimited immigration is not at all popular with people struggling to keep their low-skilled job as it is.

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  2. aha by superwiz · · Score: 2

    And I want that '95 Chevy that you are buying from me to run like the best Ferrari you can imagine. Automation is what you do when machines are cheaper than people. And China isn't running out of people any time soon.

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    1. Re:aha by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      China has a plan. They know that automation is both inevitable and also desirable (consistent quality, low cost, high end) and rather than just let their citizens be screwed by it they plan on transitioning them to service jobs.

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  3. why use china robo factory when you can do the sam by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    why use china robo factory when you can do the same in the USA with quicker and cheaper shipping + less risk of the 3rd shift making cheap knock offs.

  4. Re:Kicking millions of Chinese out of jobs... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

    Part of the cost of automation being less than labor is you create unemployment. This is fine--it's how progress works--and the displaced labor creates a gap between prior cost and new cost, which eventually leads to lower prices (prices don't keep with inflation, in part because it's impossible to hold all prices at the same buying-power equivalent in an economy where the relative price of everything constantly shifts thanks to population expansion, money supply increase, and productivity gains all interacting, and the buying-power total doesn't go up until the price of something goes down).

    If you create 0.1% unemployment, no big deal. That gets washed away as the workforce turns over; give it a few months to a year and there's no evidence of that blip--save that we're all a little richer. Those people got new jobs, because we're buying more stuff thanks to that 0.1% difference, and somebody needs to make and move that stuff.

    If you create 40% unemployment, that's a problem. Things got cheaper... okay? Who is buying all these cheaper things? Never mind that the money hasn't moved down into the hands of the unemployed (400 times more excluded than when they were just 0.1%); the people still working just found that nearly half their work isn't needed anymore, and you know what that means: they get laid off, too.

    It's economically feasible when the cost of new technology is lower, and when the risk proposition across growth spans that technology in an uptake not significantly faster than re-employment. The economy has to respond to lower costs by offering lower prices, which businesses don't do unless they're pressured (e.g. competition, desire to get 5% on 100,000,000 units instead of 15% on 10,000,000 units, etc.). The universal competition--that consumers have limited money, and that every product bought is taken from that pool, thus all products are in competition with all other products--takes some time to launder the changes and produce a fresh, new economy.

    China has labor shortages and might just be in a position where the reduced labor shifts chinese labor around such that the outcome is 2% or 5% or 8% unemployment, rather than 40% or 80% unemployment. If it cuts their production costs by 20%, that's a hell of a draw for import labor--China's financial position becomes that people will trade them something (to be determined at a later date; here's money as an IOU) for something China can produce cheaper than the buyer. In the mean time, places like America suddenly see a 20% drop in the price of all kinds of goods, and can buy more; this means we need more shipping, more retail operators, more people at VISA managing your accounts, and so forth. It means poor people spend a smaller chunk of their income on clothes and cell phones (which they probably need today), and more on food (which puts demands on local refineries, chemical producers, municipal water systems, John Deere, and farmers). It means more jobs here in America.

    China would get richer and America would get richer just by China reducing the cost of manufacture, at least in a projection where China doesn't create an unemployment crisis in its own country.

  5. Jobs vs. purchasing power by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who is going to buy all this stuff if they don't have jobs?

    And there lies the heart of the problem: purchasing power is coupled to having a job.

    As technology marches forward, that coupling has to be let go. Or at least loosened. The majority of the population needs to have some purchasing power even if there's no job for them. Think basic income.

    The alternative: (almost) everything automated, production equipment (including robots) in the hands of a few corporations & the billionaires at their top, with the rest of the population jobless / out of money (and in the extreme case: out of housing or food). Great recipe for say, a nice little civil war. As it has been several times in history.

    The automation itself isn't a bad thing, it increases productivity so we can have more nice things or do fun stuff more of the time. But the fruits of that increased productivity should be divided somewhat evenly over people. If it ends up in the hands of a few you have a recipe for disaster.

  6. Universal basic income? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The challenge with automation is what to do with the displaced workers. In Western societies, expectations for quality of life and income levels are already established as fairly high, which complicates discussions of replacing employment with a universal basic income. If you are faced with the transition from employment with a decent standard of living, to a UBI covering only the bare necessities of life, that doesn't look so attractive. While urban China is seeing the same trend, rural China not so much, and that's where many of the migrant workers that support the manufacturing industry are coming from. If your options are a life of back-breaking drudgery in the fields just to stay alive, or that same UBI, the choice suddenly looks a lot more attractive. The numbers are huge, but that is a scaling problem - if the numbers add up for one robot factory and 1,000 people, they will still add up for a million factories and a billion people.

    It would be ironic if "communist" (in almost no sense of the word) China managed to pull off a UBI, but would also offer huge propaganda benefits for the Chinese Communist Party, and Chinese nationalism in general (a potent and growing force). For that reason alone I would not be surprised if the government is thinking along those lines.

    Of course, then there's the question of what all those people do with their free time. Go ladders? Rioting in the streets to bring down corrupt local officials? Setting forth in rowboats to defend the nine-dash line?

    Interesting times...

  7. Universal health care and low cost education by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Universal health care and low cost education are needed in the USA.

    and we need to get rid of the 2/4/6 year piece of paper education that we have here.

  8. Re:Seems to suit their mindset by kheldan · · Score: 2

    racist

    Fuck you. This has nothing to do with race, it has EVERYTHING to do with China's human rights record and news stories EVERYONE (except you apparently) have been reading for YEARS about how workers are treated in China. So how about you shut the fuck up, asshole?

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  9. Re:why use china robo factory when you can do the by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

    Because if we manufactured here in the US then we can't burn billions of tons of high carbon heavy grade crude sludge to power those container ships that fill the pacific with a slowly swirling morass of plastic for sea birds to choke on, etc;

    Carry on...

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