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Slashdot Asks: What's Next For Netflix? (500ish.com)

What does the future hold for Netflix? The company first earned a name for itself over a decade ago renting DVDs via mails in an era when Blockbuster used to laugh at the mere idea of DVDs-by-mail. It then moved to offering online streaming service way before most of the companies. As VC and former journalist MG Siegler writes, Netflix was always ahead of the curve. But the market -- and the demand from the market is changing, again. To address that, the on-demand streaming service has over the past three-four years started to invest heavily in getting exclusive rights for movies and TV shows, as well as make its own original content. But this time, Netflix is facing immense competition from its rivals -- and its moves aren't that unpredictable. It's also worth pointing out just recently, the company's decision to hike prices led its stocks to tank. Siegler writes: The streaming content game is now hyper competitive. And even the streaming original content game has gotten extremely competitive. And this means it has gotten extremely expensive. The result has been great for us, the users, as we do seem to be in a golden age of television-like content, even if it's being delivered via streaming "channels" like Netflix. With 54 Emmy nominations this year, second to only HBO, Netflix is seemingly closing in on what they set out to do once again. They've become HBO faster than HBO has been able to become Netflix. Of course, HBO still has the warm blanket of cable operator fees to keep them cozy; Netflix's model has them a bit out in the cold in that regard. So, again, what's next? Is it VR? Something else? Don't tell me it's 4k. Worldwide expansion is huge, but that's really just growing into the last business. What's the next business pivot?What you, Slashdot readers, think Netflix's next move will be? Or do you think the company will soon become just another name in its respective category?

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  1. Verizon will buy them. by caferace · · Score: 5, Funny

    To merge with AOL/Yahoo, of course.

    1. Re:Verizon will buy them. by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To merge with AOL/Yahoo, of course.

      hah the movie studios will get together, buy Netflix and then shut them down.

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    2. Re:Verizon will buy them. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Someone will acquire Netflix purely for their production house and for their exclusive deals. Almost like as acquisition that is essentially a patent purchase.

      Delivering content online is a commodity. Their IP is all they have that is valuable.

  2. Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by netsavior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Netflix is the first media company with the business model of "Give the customers exactly what they want."

    It is very refreshing. They are in the business of TV wish fulfillment, and nobody has ever done that before. Since the dawn of television, content owners and broadcasters have been in the business of telling customers what to watch. Netflix seems to make the shows that I want, exactly how I want them, it's so unusual that it almost feels like a trick.

    I pay $144/year (because I have a big family and we pay a higher rate for more simultaneous streaming licenses), but it is a bargain. Just for the Marvel Series' alone I would have paid that much for DVDs.

    1. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Netflix is the first media company with the business model of "Give the customers exactly what they want."

      If by what they want you mean B-movies (and lower) that you've never heard of sprinkled with a few mainstream movies. The TV show collection as well as original content series continues to get better, but their movie list is just awful any more.

      I know it's mostly not Netflix fault their movie selection is crap. But honestly I'd probably pay twice as much if I had a real selection of movies where I had a reasonably good chance that the movie I wanted to see was included.

    2. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 2

      Netflix is the first media company with the business model of "Give the customers exactly what they want." It is very refreshing.

      Agreed. The old broadcast TV networks weren't really even trying. They based their programming decisions on the Nielsen rating, which in turn was based on what a few households living in New York City were more likely to watch. This led to everyone in America having to see way too much of whatever people from New York City liked. Even that data was pretty suspect, because at any given time there were only ever three things to watch anyway. That sample size doesn't exactly lend itself to statistical significance.

    3. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Netflix is the first media company with the business model of "Give the customers exactly what they want." .

      I am a subscriber, but they do not give me what I want. I have little interest in their created content. I get netflix for old shows and movies, and sometimes newer stuff. My GF uses it more than I do. However, when I do get a hankering to watch a movie, many times it is not available. It is on Prime Video, or Hulu, some other streaming company, or wait for the DVD and pay extra for that subscription.

      This Balkanization of content between providers has only been getting worse. I will not pay $20 to netflix, and $10 to so and so, and $15 to another hooligan to get all the content I rarely want. For that price I could get cable.

      So to me, it does not really seem that convenient, which is the promise of streaming video. Add to that, increasing prices, and it is no wonder that people pirate. It is far easier to torrent the new James Bond movie, watch it once, then delete it than navigate the morass of streaming options out there.

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    4. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Netflix is the first media company with the business model of "Give the customers exactly what they want."

      That is what I used to think, until I heard my friends across the ponds cant watch House of Cards, because of geoip restriction. Netflix blocked countries from watching their self produced TV series, because they wanted to make more money though licensing deals. Netflix is becoming yet another old school media company (and I use that phrase with contempt).

    5. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by ray-auch · · Score: 2

      I downloaded even a very watchable Star Trek Beyond via TPB yesterday, let Netflix beat that!

      I think you just downloaded a wrongly titled Wrath of Khan, there is no way, even if TPB had a whole team of crack video editors, that they could make something watchable out of Star Trek Beyond in the time it's been available...

    6. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Netflix collection quality is mostly due to most media companies trying to fight tooth and nail for old distribution method.
      The traditional stations are working for advertisers while netflix is working more for the viewer. The traditional media can produce crap and put it on Prime Time to make the advertisers happy (Which is in part of the story quality of the Netflix originals). But for the movies, traditional media wants people to buy BlueRays and DVDs not streaming if possible. Unless they get a good TV Deal, or Pay per view.
      I expect Netflix licensing agreement is too risky for many of these companies, so if they are slightly interested they just push out their B Movies to judge the waters. Or they rotate their shows so they feel like they have a cable deal. I notice this with the Star Trek Movies where they have a couple available (Especially the Odd ones) for a month or so then they go away and replace them with an other one.

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    7. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by reanjr · · Score: 2

      If you can get commercial free premium content from cable TV for $45/month, then you should probably just get cable. The vast majority of the US is paying more like $80-$120/month. Mostly for 100+ channels they will never watch.

    8. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      Most folks overlook Blockbusters' biggest problem....they were a franchise operation. They could not change their business model without agreement of the many franchise owners, which made them immobile. Plus, anything that might be seen as competing with the franchises would be a conflict of interest. In some respects they were a victim of their own successful franchise model. People think the company leaders had no vision or interest, not necessarily so, they just could not figure a way to evolve and keep franchisees happy. Cutting them in on a regional basis would entail a lot of complications and overhead as well.

    9. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by kill-1 · · Score: 2

      That is what I used to think, until I heard my friends across the ponds cant watch House of Cards, because of geoip restriction. Netflix blocked countries from watching their self produced TV series, because they wanted to make more money though licensing deals.

      This assessment is not entirely fair. Netflix sold the European rights to House of Cards well before they entered the European market. Also, you can watch House of Cards in Europe (at least in Germany), but you have wait 12 months or so for the latest season.

    10. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by radish · · Score: 2

      But that figure includes the internet access they still need for streaming. I'm a big fan of streaming media, I've wanted to make the switch, but every time I run the numbers it just doesn't make sense. At best I break even, but lose in some ways (e.g. I can now get live sports but I can't record them on DVR for later viewing). Plus I'm at the mercy of the streaming companies when it comes to things like advertising...with a DVR I can skip them, but a lot of streaming apps (not Netflix, for now) include them and they're unskippable. That's not a good trade for me.

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    11. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      I know it's mostly not Netflix fault their movie selection is crap. But honestly I'd probably pay twice as much if I had a real selection of movies where I had a reasonably good chance that the movie I wanted to see was included.

      Uh, your wish is already granted by Netflix -- pay "twice as much" and subscribe to their DVD plan and get access to roughly 100,000 titles.

      I know that's not the answer you want, but if you're willing to wait just a couple days rather than demanding instant gratification when you decide you "need to watch movie X right now!" you might find there are options available. (Admittedly, if you just want the most popular and recent titles unavailable on Netflix streaming, there are better alternatives... if you want to rent old Soviet films or obscure silent flicks, there aren't that many alternatives.)

      But I know DVDs and mail are so "old school" these days. Perhaps hipsters will bring them back in a couple years.

    12. Re:Netflix has a unique and obvious strategy. by breeze95 · · Score: 2

      Netflix is the first media company with the business model of "Give the customers exactly what they want."

      That is what I used to think, until I heard my friends across the ponds cant watch House of Cards, because of geoip restriction. Netflix blocked countries from watching their self produced TV series, because they wanted to make more money though licensing deals. Netflix is becoming yet another old school media company (and I use that phrase with contempt).

      I don't see how Netflix would be maximizing profits based on your scenario. Besides, Netflix doesn't really own House of Cards or any of their internally produced content. They own the exclusive rights to their in-house produced shows but the movie studios still own the content. Netflix has to determine which countries will have an interest in the House of Cards before they license the rights to show House of Cards in those countries. If your friends across the pound can't see the House of Cards is because Netflix has determine that there is not enough interest over there to justify the extra licensing costs. Netflix is fighting the studios to get global licensing but studios are resisting moving to a global licensing model. Don't have the player; hate the game.

  3. User Generated Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is probably going to sound a little crazy, but I think they should be looking at Youtube and Twitch and trying to get into user generated content.

    Personally, I know I spend way more time watching youtube channels than Netflix, amd a lot people are the same about Twitch.

    Obviously withouy ads some sort of revenue sharing based on views would be necessary. That may or may not be workable.

    Then again, maybe having users watch more, and thus taking up extra bandwidth, isn't ideal for the bottom line anyway.

    1. Re:User Generated Content by number6x · · Score: 2

      NetflixPalooza!

      OK, -Palooza is taken, but a series of live concert events in major cities around the world with big name and up and coming bands and other sideshow entertainment. I know that there are already several large shows like this now, but Netflix can record the content for re-broadcast, develop behind the scenes shows and even do a reality TV show where contestants compete as roadies or as side show carnies and face elimination challenges each week using the usual formula of being voted off by their peers or by judges, with one or two 'saves' from the Netflix viewers.

      Smaller bands might also do side deals for live concerts spin off's beyond the mega concert, available on Netflix streaming. This could boost music sales on-line for up and coming artists. More famous bands might get a documentary style spin off, interviews, behind-the-scenes, or whatever.

      It generates content for future streaming, and the reality TV part could get a good run for a few years and help the content not get too stale year after year.

      Netflix could partner with one of the existing mega-concert production companies. Something like this would be good for a minimum of 4 or 5 years, maybe more if it is popular.

      I would also suggest a 'battle of the bands' kind of show as part of the events, where the concert goers get to decide the winners over the course of a season as part of NetflixPalooza. Start with groups of bands, like groups in the World Cup. Then advance to the semi-finals and finals for elimination. Internet voting could revive 2 or 3 bands eliminated in the group play for a round between the group play and the semi-finals. Giving the Netflix subscribers a say in the outcome is empowering and forms a connection with the show. I worry that music competition shows may be past their prime (American Idol, The Voice, etc), and not worth doing. The groups play to single elimination finals, with a chance for revival from the internet audience may make it more interesting that existing shows. Also, the live concert aspect is novel and could be worth it.

      None of these ideas are truly original. Just combinations of other entertainment that works well right now. That is pretty much what the entertainment industry has always done, find what works and repeat it until it has no life left in it so it should be an easy sell to investors.

  4. What's next flicks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    An AI that controls an interactive story aimed just at you that keeps you watching for decades.

  5. Why not ask Netflix? by ITRambo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Asking readers what a company that they have no part in managing is simply asking for opinions, or desires. I suggest that if Slashdot really wants to know the answer that someone be assigned to visit Netflix and ask around to find out what rumors the employees have heard. This information will likely be the most correct.

  6. I get disks in the mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm surprised that so many people think Netflix has "moved" from DVD disks to streaming. I get DVDs by mail. I love it and have no interest in streaming. Why? Because I can't get most of what I want to see via streaming. I want to see specific things, mainly "art house" movies. I don't care about being able to see 3,000 top-40 movies at will. I don't have any streaming and probably never will. The privacy issues and lack of interesting content make it unappealing to me. The surprising part, though, is not just that many people think disks by mail is old fashioned, but that people think that despite the fact that Netflix makes their profit from DVDs in the mail, not from streaming.

  7. Netflix has a very poor showing outside the USA by ByzantineAlex · · Score: 4, Informative

    So I couldn't care less.... In Europe they have like.... 1/5 of the selection while having a bigger price. Also, there's no dvd option, no matter the price. So, from my point of view, they could go belly up - no tears there. Other than that, I think they should go up-market - best selection, greater prices. Or have several tiers.

  8. Still original content by mewsenews · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article briefly mentions original content like it was their last smart move and they'll have to do something else to survive. I would disagree with that assessment.

    The media cartels (MPAA etc) are trying to starve out Netflix by jacking up their licensing fees, onerous international distribution agreements, etc etc.

    The Netflix back catalog of old movies has actually been shrinking. The focus on original content is to bring control to their programming so that they aren't 100% at the mercy of the cartels who want nothing more than for Netflix to die. The goal of the cartels is that Hulu or some other godforsaken corp-owned property can retain their dominance of the public eyeball.

    That's why Netflix has gone all in on their original programming. I just finished watching Stranger Things and it is really good. Because Netflix developed it themselves, they don't have to negotiate an international distribution agreement and they can release it simultaneously in all the markets they offer subscriptions. That's huge. I watched past the credits and there were translation teams for about 8 languages - I think I saw French, Spanish, Japanese, German among them.

    So I think their play is what they are already doing - pour money into original programming, build their own back catalog so they aren't at the mercy of greedy content providers, and keep providing great customer service.

    1. Re:Still original content by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So I think their play is what they are already doing - pour money into original programming, build their own back catalog so they aren't at the mercy of greedy content providers, and keep providing great customer service.

      I agree. They are evolving in the direction the market is driving them. As they mature big shifts are less likely. The question is how can they build on top of the existing infrastructure? Can they move into live broadcasting of sports?

      As for original content, I think they may have opportunities in sponsoring and recording concerts in high quality, and/or shorter live music performances. Building up a library of those might have a lot of value.

  9. They Have Forged The Sword That Will Kill Them by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is no question that Netflix has to continue ramping up original production. Distribution is easy (sorry tech guys) but good content is hard. But "back in the day," there was a finite amount of space to fill with that original content. Once you reached X number of episodes for Y number of original series per annual season, you had obtained critical mass, and it was just up to the sales guys to make sure you were in as many homes and on as many platforms as you could be, and the programming guys to make sure the content was as good and innovative as budget allowed.

    But Netflix pioneered "binge-watching." Exec-producing ten eps of Game of Thrones and dribbling them out no longer cuts it. We're now conditioned to watch 22 episodes of a new title as they all drop at once, gorging upon it all within a two week period lest we fall behind at the water cooler or in the online chatrooms.

    Time (in a schedule grid) is no longer a constraint. Space (server/bandwidth capacity is cheap) is no longer a constraint. Only money is a limiting factor. How can they keep feeding that beast?

    At one level, Netflix better hope that a lot of little competitors start popping up, because they will be able to sell them off-network rights to Daredevil and House of Cards et.al. and so subsidize their original production, much the same way HBO and video stores were first viewed as rivals to Hollywood, before Hollywood realized how much money it could make licensing to them.

  10. Re:Netflix lacks courage to take on networks by Drathos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They do that, they lose all of their non-original content.

    The media conglomerates have Netflix over a barrel. Netflix can't do anything without their approval.

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  11. Sports by Dega704 · · Score: 2

    The biggest thing stopping online streaming from delivering the decisive blow to cable is live sporting events. I personally don't care about spectator sports, but I imagine that if Netflix were to strike deals with the NFL and the like, it would eviscerate cable TV almost overnight.

  12. Netflix should offer a streaming service! by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Netflix needs to find a way to expand their streaming service.

    While I keep seeing articles titled "Why does anyone use Netflix's DVD service?" I have a DVD queue that is 324 DVDs long. Their streaming catalog is a tiny fraction of what they have on DVD, and almost nothing I want is streamable. No new releases are streamable. Hardly any Disney or Dreamworks is streamable. Seems like most "blockbusters" aren't streamable. Neither is most of the 90's sci-fi I want to catch-up on. They need to pressure hollywood while they are still the 500-lb gorilla of the market.

  13. I want it all by invid · · Score: 2

    I want every movie, television show, commercial, public service announcement--all audio/visual media at my fingertips whenever I want it. I want to ask my TV "Hey, what was that show where that guy wore that thing?" and I want my TV to have a list of shows where that guy wore that thing. I want to watch all prime time television from 1972 from all three major networks in chronological order--with commercials. I want the original Star Wars where Han shot first. I want the Star Wars Christmas Special. I want to see exactly what was on television in the Soviet Union on October 29th, 1962. I want it all.

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  14. Exactly by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I subscribed to HBOGo and Starz for movies. But after just a few months of watching, I deleted everything they had to offer and the newer supply was too slow coming in to make it worth keeping up the subscription... I may return in a year or so...

    Meanwhile I keep my Netflix subscription active, always find something interesting, and have just watched Stranger Things which is the best television series I have seen in a long, long time. Just that alone made the subscription for the year worth it for me.

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