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You Can't Turn Off Cortana In the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (pcworld.com)

Microsoft will release Windows 10 Anniversary Update next week. Earlier this week we listed some of its best features. PCWorld is now reporting about a major change that may annoy some users: once you've installed the update, Cortana can no longer be disabled. From the article: Cortana, the personal digital assistant that replaced Windows 10's search function and taps into Bing's servers to answer your queries with contextual awareness, no longer has an off switch. The impact on you at home: Similar to how Microsoft blocked Google compatibility with Cortana, the company is now cutting off the plain vanilla search option. That actually makes a certain of amount of sense. Unless you turned off all the various cloud-connected bits of Windows 10, there's not a ton of difference between Cortana and the operating system's basic search capabilities.

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  1. O RLY? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

    Challenge accepted!

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    1. Re: O RLY? by thaylin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hmm job prospects for Linux admins are pretty darn good right now.

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    2. Re:O RLY? by npslider · · Score: 2

      David did kill Goliath. Cortana must have a weak spot too. Just got to find it.

      ***A day later... KB6660666 is released, "fixing" a newly discovered security vulnerability - the dead giant grows a new head, and rises up again....

    3. Re: O RLY? by x_t0ken_407 · · Score: 2

      Can confirm. I'm getting pinged by headhunters at least a couple times per week and it's been like that for the better part of the past two years, and I haven't even been looking!

    4. Re:O RLY? by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep. You can disable it in the group policy editor if you have pro, or in the registry editor if you don't.

    5. Re: O RLY? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      As admin, run this command in one line:

      reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search" /t REG_DWORD /v "AllowCortana" /d 0 /f

      There, no more cortana.

    6. Re: O RLY? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As admin, run this command in one line:

      reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Windows Search" /t REG_DWORD /v "AllowCortana" /d 0 /f

      There, no more cortana.

      Did you bring up Task Manager and verify that Cortana isn't running? Hiding Cortana is not the same as disabling it.

    7. Re:O RLY? by npslider · · Score: 4, Funny

      Meanwhile, in Android, all you have to do to disable all Google Services, root the phone, install Windows, apply the reg fix, and turn off all updates!

    8. Re:O RLY? by shione · · Score: 2

      Nuke it from the commandline, it's the only way to be sure.

      taskkill /IM Cortana.exe /F
      takeown /f "C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Cortana*" /a /r /d y
      icacls "C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Cortana*" /t /c /grant administrators:F System:F everyone:F
      rd /s /q "C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.Windows.Cortana*"

    9. Re: O RLY? by Jahta · · Score: 2

      Task manager hides certain processes so if it doesn't show up there it doesn't mean it's not running.

      In a Windows internals session at Microsoft Tech-Ed a few years ago David Solomon said that Task Manager should be really be renamed "Some of My Open Windows"!

  2. It didn't have an off switch before by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In some ways this is more honest, it's been demonstrated that the OS will talk to 107 domains whether or not some switches are toggled in the Control Panel to give the illusion of privacy.

    I wish Microsoft would've been more up front about this last year, and not two days before the "free" "upgrade" is scheduled to be concluded.

    1. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by taustin · · Score: 2

      In some ways this is more honest, it's been demonstrated that the OS will talk to 107 domains whether or not some switches are toggled in the Control Panel to give the illusion of privacy.

      My proxy server laughs are your 107 domains.

    2. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Informative

      In some ways this is more honest, it's been demonstrated that the OS will talk to 107 domains whether or not some switches are toggled in the Control Panel to give the illusion of privacy.

      Any list of those so I can set them to 127.0.0.1 in my Hosts file?

      Here you go: https://github.com/WindowsLies...

      However it won't work because Windows bypasses its own hosts file for its own purposes. You'll have to block it from your router or other external firewall.

    3. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Host file won't help. Telemetry bypasses internal firewall and the hosts file. You need standalone firewall to block it.

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    4. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by TroII · · Score: 5, Informative

      Any list of those so I can set them to 127.0.0.1 in my Hosts file?

      That won't help you any, the IP addresses are hard-coded into the OS via dnsapi.dll, which Windows 10 will consult prior to the rest of the resolver stack (hosts, WINS, name servers, etc). You're going to need another machine between you and your internet connection, one with a proper implementation like iptables/ipfw/nftables/etc to drop traffic destined for those IPs.

      Of course, the IPs of the telemetry servers are subject to change at Microsoft's whim, so you're going to end up stuck playing whack-a-mole. Me, I'm just not going to install Windows 10.

    5. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by kruug · · Score: 3

      it's been demonstrated that the OS will talk to 107 domains whether or not some switches are toggled in the Control Panel to give the illusion of privacy.

      That's also been proven false, assuming you're talking about the CheesusCrust post on Voat.

    6. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by TroII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wouldn't blocking the ASNs associated with Microsoft be any more efficient?

      You'd be blocking every legitimate, non-Microsoft-affiliated service hosted on Azure, and there's no guarantee they're only using their own IP space for this to start with. In the end, I think blocking surveillance and spying that's baked into the operating system is a losing game.

      With Windows 10, the only winning move is not to play.

    7. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I have, though my own testing, confirmed this fact.

      My working theory is that services running as 'system' are exempt from the firewall, but I might be wrong on that detail. What I do know is that even if you put in block-everything-no-exceptions rules and a default deny, the traffic still flows both ways.

      I can also confirm the hosts situation, though I believe this might be a security measure to stop malware from disabling the update mechanism.

      I have notes, though they are a bit dated: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmREmfNtA...

    8. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

      I'd mod you up if I hadn't already posted essentially the same thing... FUCK YOU, MICROSOFT!!! (had to be said)

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    9. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by mrbester · · Score: 2

      In my book, something that deliberately goes around a firewall is malware. I don't care what benefit it claims to give, as that has just given another attack vector for the "real" malware.

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    10. Re:It didn't have an off switch before by TroII · · Score: 2

      Cloud services are shit anyways, just another method of wrestling full control away from you.

      Eh, on one hand I don't disagree at all, on the other hand "the cloud" is a bullshit term that means "other peoples' servers." I'm just saying that nullrouting all Microsoft ASNs is going to block way more than one is bargaining for. Lots of people with no relation to Microsoft host their websites in Azure just like they might rent a server at Rackspace or Linode. If someone you hate decides to colo at Rackspace, you probably aren't going to firewall millions of IPs just to avoid his website. It's better to just not go there (i.e. don't install Windows 10) than to block the whole network and miss out on everything else that lives there.

  3. Of course not by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "You Can't Turn Off Cortana In the Windows 10 Anniversary Update"

    Of course not- that might interfere with their advertising schemes and the ability to monitor whatever they like in order to better monetize your entire existence.

    Welcome to the Brave New World of surveillance, brought to you by the same forward-thinking folks that brought you Windows ME, the Zune, and PlaysForSure.

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  4. Not running Windows 10 seems like a total fix by HBI · · Score: 2

    Why would anyone run this thing? "New, shiny" seems to be the only argument I have heard that has any relationship to reality.

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    1. Re: Not running Windows 10 seems like a total fix by Traxton · · Score: 2

      Yes. Mine uses about 1.6GB.

    2. Re:Not running Windows 10 seems like a total fix by macxcool · · Score: 5, Informative

      I agree. We bought a little Acer E3-111 for my wife with Windows 8.1 awhile back. It worked just fine. We had some problems with the touchpad recently and I figured, why not upgrade to Windows 10. We've both regretted that decision. It run slowly, and every few days there's new reasons on Slashdot and elsewhere not to run Windows 10. A few days ago I booted Linux Mint 18, Mate edition from a USB stick. Firefox (my wife's preffered browser) started so quickly we were startled and everything was very smooth. I looked at the hits on my firewall/proxy server from her IP and they were down to almost nothing. I'll be upgrading her to Linux this weekend.

    3. Re:Not running Windows 10 seems like a total fix by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Not yet, but remember MS owns a lot of game studios - they might apply pressure to develop Windows 10 exclusives in future. When the transition is far enough along that they can afford to lose the 7/8 holdouts.

  5. Re:Can't disable? Then I will break it by sirber · · Score: 2

    or install Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB, which got none of this nonsense.

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  6. How to disable Cortana by bagofbeans · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:How to disable Cortana by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Informative

      A method to do it with a registry modification is also in that article. It's not clear if it works for the Home edition though.

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    2. Re:How to disable Cortana by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      Addendum: D'oh! Yes the registry mod will work on the Home edition.

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    3. Re:How to disable Cortana by kulaga · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also check out Spybot Anti-Beacon. It disables all (hopefully at least most) of the services Microsoft uses for data collection... I'm sure it can all be done manually, but this was a simple solution for me. Not a shill, but I keep posting this after learning about from a previous Slashdot comment months ago.

    4. Re:How to disable Cortana by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

      Has anyone verified if that actually works? i.e. open up Wireshark and those domains are no longer being contacted?

    5. Re:How to disable Cortana by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      But nobody stops you from adding them to a Home-edition manually :-)

      Give it a Windows patch or two.

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  7. What? by sims+2 · · Score: 2

    Does this mean I can finally try out cortana?
    Or does it still require login?

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  8. Linux Gaming Support by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's it. That's all that we need. If we could somehow figure out a way to get a good gaming experience on Linux then the fabled Year of the Linux Desktop(tm) would manifest in reality.

    Windows would be relegated to the office (and even that can change since more and more apps are web based) and we would finally be free.

    1. Re:Linux Gaming Support by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Well it is a lot of chicken and the egg problem.
      1. the GNU/Linux distributions were made off of the Unix (server) framework design. While this give us a lot of great things. However Human User Interface has always been an afterthought. Audio/Video/Input Devices have always been a last ditch add on to the system.

      2. The GNU/RMS fanbois are so zealot about keeping it open that there are not enough popular distributions that include 3rd party drivers because such companies are unwilling or unable to make such tools GNU

      3. Because of 1 and 2 Linux is mostly for a lot of server and workstation jobs. Not a game system.

      4. Because it isn't made as a game system there are not so many gamers to make it the companies worthwhile to invest a lot into it.

      5. Those who do invest don't have massive resources to report their game to take advantage of Linux so the port is usually rather poor.

      6. The poor ports and limited quality games keeps gamers from using Linux.

      7. The low number of gamers in demand means there isn't a lot of development towards making Linux a better gaming OS

      8. Because it isn't a gaming OS there is little need to focus on optimising the Audio/Video/Human User Interface options.

      9. Because of this lack of attention people feel they can keep their moral high ground against using 3rd party add ins as it isn't much of a personal sacrifice to them. ..

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  9. Re:Can't disable? Then I will break it by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Informative

    or install Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB, which got none of this nonsense.

    Easier said than done, Microsoft doesn't sell Windows Enterprise off the shelf. You have to negotiate a licensing plan with them.

  10. Mint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Switched to Mint, won't upgrade past Win7.

    Fuck you, Microsoft.

  11. As a UNIX head and former MS-hater . . . by mmell · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Y'know, Microsoft has never made any bones about their OS being a proprietary system. Whether you agree with their choices or not, you're bound by them when you use their OS. Problem is, there is a lot of appeal to their OS - nearly universal familiarity among the user base (which is large), nearly ubiquitous applications (especially in the office/business space), pre-installation (something like $50.00 a shot, as opposed to ~$175, so I guess that hurts less) . . .

    You want an OS that works your way? Tell ya what - get a bunch of your fellow technically-oriented geek friends together and make your own! (Actually, I'm sure this has been done. I think such systems are called "GNU Linux"?) Otherwise, as long as they don't outright break what they sold you, you can deal with MS's heavy-handed management of your systems. Frankly, with all the moaning about MS security and unpatched MS OS's in the wild, how did everyone expect them to respond? They're still the de facto business OS of choice and their primary customer is extremely security conscious. MS is listening to the bucks, not the users. Since their software is proprietary, that is as it should be. Unless you actively find a way to prevent it, Microsoft pretty much insists on their right to make every licensed MS OS instance reasonably uniform. That way, both security and reliability can theoretically be maximized for the entire user base.

    In short - deal with it or run something else. Just don't expect Microsoft to waste any time or money trying to do things your way unless you're big business with big bucks.

  12. I Say Bullshit! by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you don't like Cortana, you can make it go away and never use it.

    From TFA: Microsoft told PCWorld. "If you like, you can also easily hide Cortana and the search box in the taskbar altogether."

    Cortana is simply a browser searchbar that uses Bing, re-located to the taskbar, and can talk. Siri reaches out to Apple servers when you use it, OK Google goes to Google servers. Microsoft is simply playing catch-up. The only news here is you can no longer give Cortana a lobotomy by cutting off its access to Bing.

    But to say "Cortana can't be disabled" is inaccurate, misleading FUD. There may be many reasons to shit on Microsoft, but this isn't one of them.
    Instructions:
    1. change default browser from Edge to anything else... except IE. Be sure your new Browser does not use Bing as its search engine.
    2. Right-click on the Taskbar, choose to Hide Cortana.
    3. (optional) Install ClassicShell, Start8, or equivalent to provide a convenient basic search functionality.
    4. (optional) Still paranoid? Try Spybot Anti-Beacon.
    5. Proceed as before. Run Steam or something.

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    1. Re:I Say Bullshit! by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In this brave new world, hiding an app is equivalent to turning it off.

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    2. Re:I Say Bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you don't like Cortana, you can make it go away and never use it.

      From TFA: Microsoft told PCWorld. "If you like, you can also easily hide Cortana and the search box in the taskbar altogether."

      Cortana is simply a browser searchbar that uses Bing, re-located to the taskbar, and can talk.

      1. change default browser from Edge to anything else... except IE. Be sure your new Browser does not use Bing as its search engine.
      2. Right-click on the Taskbar, choose to Hide Cortana.
      3. (optional) Install ClassicShell, Start8, or equivalent to provide a convenient basic search functionality.
      4. (optional) Still paranoid? Try Spybot Anti-Beacon.
      5. Proceed as before. Run Steam or something.

      Unfortunately, you don't understand the difference between disabling Cortana and merely hiding it so you can't see it. And Microsoft is counting on that level of ignorance.

      After following those steps you listed, bring up Task manager and you will see that Cortana is still running. Kill the process and it immediately comes back. I did finally manage to successfully kill Cortana, but it's tricky and I experienced system instability afterward. So I just to Microsoft to fuck off and went back Windows 7.

    3. Re:I Say Bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      surprise, it's still running... and scanning your files... communicating with microsoft servers.. chewing up cpu time and internet bandwidth.

      the only way you'll be able to cut off cortana's access to the internet is to block it with hardware (router/firewall).

      then microsoft will get smart and funnel cortana traffic through the same ip addresses as windows update catalog files.

      it is doubtful you'll truly be able to permanently shut off the service(s) it runs under, microsoft has proven it is willing to reset user-set settings in updates time and again.

      the only way to win is to not play the game.... as in, fuck microsoft and install linux.

    4. Re:I Say Bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you don't like Cortana, you can make it go away and never use it.

      From TFA: Microsoft told PCWorld. "If you like, you can also easily hide Cortana and the search box in the taskbar altogether."

      Cortana is simply a browser searchbar that uses Bing, re-located to the taskbar, and can talk. Siri reaches out to Apple servers when you use it, OK Google goes to Google servers. Microsoft is simply playing catch-up. The only news here is you can no longer give Cortana a lobotomy by cutting off its access to Bing.

      But to say "Cortana can't be disabled" is inaccurate, misleading FUD. There may be many reasons to shit on Microsoft, but this isn't one of them.
      Instructions:
      1. change default browser from Edge to anything else... except IE. Be sure your new Browser does not use Bing as its search engine.
      2. Right-click on the Taskbar, choose to Hide Cortana.
      3. (optional) Install ClassicShell, Start8, or equivalent to provide a convenient basic search functionality.
      4. (optional) Still paranoid? Try Spybot Anti-Beacon.
      5. Proceed as before. Run Steam or something.

      Your insulting post has a very basic dictionary problem.
      "Hide Cortana" and "Disable Cortana" do not mean the same thing.

  13. How to disable BITS by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not exactly on topic but without BITS ...windows won't update.

    As you already know if you simply disable BITS Windows will automatically re-enable it and turn it on again whenever it feels like it.

    The solution is to create a user account, disable the user account and then configure BITS service to run as that disabled user. This will cause it to permanently fail. Microsoft isn't yet checking for this.

    I would comment further but anything I say would be obvious and repetitive like arguing with Natas over the finer points of running Microsoft.

  14. Re:Does MS have any idea what they are doing? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Microsoft's revenue depends on OEMs who want to sell the cheapest, shittiest hardware possible. That's why Windows, since the earliest versions, uses your hard drive as additional RAM, constantly swapping things back and forth.

    This is a troll, right? Not only were we paging on Unix in days of yore, but the system was so primitive you had to allocate space for your physical memory at the head of the paging file.

    I forget when Macs got virtual memory. System 7?

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  15. Re:Looking for recommendations for by gweihir · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ask Cortana. She probably knows all the best brands and how to apply them.

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  16. Re:Can't disable? Then I will break it by rudy_wayne · · Score: 3, Informative

    or install Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB, which got none of this nonsense.

    Easier said than done, Microsoft doesn't sell Windows Enterprise off the shelf. You have to negotiate a licensing plan with them.

    You can't just buy a copy of the Enterprise version of Windows. Running (legally) the Enterprise version of Windows 10 requires you to purchase at least 250 Windows licenses (public sector customers) or 500 licenses (commercial customers).

  17. Quick, post a 15 step workaround on reddit by cfalcon · · Score: 2

    Find a 15 step workaround on reddit
    Find the downvoted comment that has a 16th step that is vital and left out, but got democracied down by fools.
    Perform all the steps
    Test with wireshark to be sure it worked
    Discover a 17th step
    Perform that, post it as reply so randos can downvote it

    Or maybe just install an OS that doesn't fucking hate you.

  18. Why does Microsoft hate its users? by JohnFen · · Score: 3

    Every time I think Microsoft has been as shitty about Windows 10 as possible, it finds a way to be even shittier.

  19. Please,sir, will you root my PC? by TechForensics · · Score: 2

    The laundry list of what you can and can't do with Windows 10 is so noxious and Windows control so pervasive, someone with a new Windows 10 installation needs to effectively root the machine. Some URLs (MS telemetry) cannot be blocked by firewall. The administrator/user will not have access to the hosts file. (Boot under Linux and edit hosts file? Maybe or maybe not.) The owner/administrator needs a further level of root privilege (or just REAL root status in the first place) to prevent MS and its corporate industry partners from setting non-modifiable advertising and and hosts.ini to default settings via hardware-- if Intel were on board even running Linux could be subject to mandatory privileges blocking no one could avoid. We have to realize what is happening- MS is turning into Verizon and intel PCs are locked-down Verizon phones. Do we want to have to root each new PC we set up, or go en masse to Apple? That may be how it is lining up. Is there anything at all we can do? At this point with the Win10 handwriting on the wall I see nothing but converting to Linux or Apple as a group. MS is apparently getting ready to sign its own death warrant. We need to get really angry and DO something? (It's Apple with VMs for me.)

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  20. I do windows because I"m a gamer, but I'm old by Nyder · · Score: 2

    This is why I run windows 7 for my games. But considering dumping windows and going linux only gamer. Well, that and my old consoles, I have plenty of games I can play on those also. Very few new PC games do it for me anymore. Doom was a great disappointment. It's Quake III with better graphics. Which is cool if you are into arena shooters, but I'm not. Maybe I'm getting too old, but PC games suck these days for the most part.

    Linux before Windows 10 for sure.

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