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Olympic Swimmers 'Certain' To Pick Up Virus From Three Teaspoons of Rio Water (independent.co.uk)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via The Independent: The Associated Press has released a 16-month-long study that shows just days before the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro begin, the waterways in the city are teeming with dangerous viruses and bacteria. The report says both athletes and tourists are at risk of getting ill from the contaminated water. "The first results of the study published over a year ago showed viral levels at up to 1.7 million times what would be considered worrisome in the United States or Europe," reports The Independent. "At those concentrations, swimmers and athletes who ingest just three teaspoons of water are almost certain to be infected with viruses that can cause stomach and respiratory illnesses and, more rarely, heart and brain inflammation -- although whether they actually fall ill depends on a series of factors including the strength of the individual's immune system." Many of the athletes have been taking antibiotics, bleaching oars and donning plastic suits and gloves to prevent illnesses, but antibiotics combat bacterial infections, not viruses. The AP investigation found that infectious adenovirus readings turned up at nearly 90 percent of the test sites over 16 months of testing. What's more is that "the beaches often have levels of bacterial markers for sewage pollution that would be cause for concern abroad -- and sometimes even exceed Rio state's lax water safety standards," reports The Independent.

280 comments

  1. There is no spoon by Yoda222 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just don't take your teaspoon while you swim. Problem solved.

    1. Re:There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Many of the athletes have been taking antibiotics,...

      So drug taking remains rife within the Olympics.

    2. Re:There is no spoon by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      and the USSR is big to fully ban.

    3. Re:There is no spoon by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe the problem has been solved

      Check out the new Speedos

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    4. Re:There is no spoon by Mr0bvious · · Score: 1

      You're going to feel pretty silly rocking up to the spoon race without a spoon now aren't you!

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    5. Re:There is no spoon by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Many of the athletes have been taking antibiotics,..."

      That should work well against the virus laden water.

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    6. Re:There is no spoon by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, it's the Olympics. New event - see who can get the runs the fastest :-)

      If it weren't for politics and money, governments would be putting travel bans in place.

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    7. Re:There is no spoon by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      It might, antibiotics are frequently prescribed to 'bolster the immune system'. Many of the bodies mechanisms for fighting infections are shared both for fighting bacterial and viral infections. If you make the body less hospitable to bacterial infection with antibiotics you free resources for resting viral pathogens.

      Of course this results in all kinds of potential to create new antibiotic resistant super bugs. After all the usual course of action is to continue treating with antibiotics for a while after symptoms disappear so you have some confidence you have wiped out the entire offending bacterial colony. If you start treating people who are asymptomatic in the first place you have no idea what's going on in there.

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    8. Re:There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a spoonful of Rio water needs a medicine with it, medicine with it, medicine with it..

    9. Re:There is no spoon by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't there have been bans prior to the Olympics? How about neighboring countries?

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    10. Re:There is no spoon by magarity · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't there have been bans prior to the Olympics? How about neighboring countries?

      This is the first olympics in south america.

    11. Re:There is no spoon by sexconker · · Score: 1

      That's not a spoon, that's a knife!

    12. Re: There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You guys have open sewers running from building to building and house to house that all empty out in the same open public spaces. I've seen videos. None of the water is treated, the smells are disgusting from what I understand.

      Listen there might be a lot of fud going around, but your guys water and sanitization is not Apart of that fud, it is fact that your water and sewer systems are fucked.

    13. Re:There is no spoon by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It's bacteria-laden as well. Falling sick with a viral infection is better than falling sick with a bacterial infection and a viral infection.

    14. Re: There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go get a map [a large one] and check the size of Brazil. Can you understand that some people in Brazil may not even know what Rio is? Did you know that people living in Southern Brazil, like me, are completely different [I mean, White] than Rio's niggers? Can you believe that you can live in Southern Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Chlie in a better fashion than anywhere in North America or southern Europe? You need to get out more.

    15. Re:There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a spoon, that's a knife!

      that's not a knife, mate- THIS is a knife!

    16. Re:There is no spoon by Scottingham · · Score: 1

      I see you've played knifey-spooney before!

    17. Re:There is no spoon by Outta_the_way_peck! · · Score: 1

      On the positive side, if they should get the runs during the swim, they can just let it go and nobody will notice.

    18. Re:There is no spoon by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't there have been bans prior to the Olympics? How about neighboring countries?

      This is the first olympics in south america.

      Why does that matter to the point I made? Would not bans have been in place PRIOR to the Olympics, or in neighboring countries? The GP made a point that I don't think is quite correct. There have been viruses in those nations for years, and have there been bans, or even advisories?

      It's interesting to me because I lived in Europe back in the 80s and early 90s during the "Mad Cow" disease issue, and to this day, I'm not allowed to donate blood here in the U.S...what a ridiculous overreaction that's been.

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    19. Re:There is no spoon by dafradu · · Score: 1

      The same overreaction this kind of news is spreading... there is no difference whatsoever!

    20. Re:There is no spoon by magarity · · Score: 1

      i misread and through you were referring to prior olympics.

    21. Re: There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lived in Europe from '07 to '12 and I can't donate blood in the US, either due to "Mad Cow Disease." Ridiculous.

    22. Re:There is no spoon by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Right. Because previous olympics also had events taking place in raw sewage, zika virus, and body parts washing up on the beach. No difference whatsoever.

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    23. Re:There is no spoon by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      And here I was thinking that Middle Eastern swimwear qualified as overdressing... Not quite as much, apparently.

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    24. Re:There is no spoon by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm more into Russian swimwear

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    25. Re: There is no spoon by diesalesmandie · · Score: 1

      I lived in Europe from '07 to '12 and I can't donate blood in the US, either due to "Mad Cow Disease." Ridiculous.

      You shouldn't talk about your mother-in-law like that.

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    26. Re:There is no spoon by Reziac · · Score: 1

      With some viruses, the problem isn't so much the virus as the secondary infections that get into tissue damaged by the inflammatory response. This is especially a problem with intestinal viruses. So taking antibiotics can be helpful in preventing those secondary infections, tho it does nothing against the virus itself.

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    27. Re:There is no spoon by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      ... which are fuck-all use against viruses.

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    28. Re:There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are grossly ignorant of immunology. Please, just stop spreading nonsense and conjecture.

    29. Re:There is no spoon by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      If you hear a doctor coming out with horse shit like that, keep him in view as you back out of the room. That is a dangerous idiot masquerading as a doctor.

      (Though if you knew any medics in your undergraduate years, you'd hardly be surprised to learn that there are such idiots around.)

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    30. Re:There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess they need to drink red wine instead

    31. Re: There is no spoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At a nominal per capita GDP of $8670, Brazil is a 3rd world country. A developing country (euphemism for undeveloped country). There are open gutters in Rio de Janeiro. Here's one for you: https://goo.gl/iGhHZr (through google street view).

      You can go around the place in google street view and look for your self how dirty the city is. And how dirty Brazil is.

  2. waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will they be swimming in the waterways? Don't they have swimming pools with chlorinated water?

    1. Re: waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rowing and sailing are Olympic sports too.

    2. Re: waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're correct, they are. The title should NOT single out one of the only water sports that's located inside, within chlorinated water, where this is not a factor. The author might as well titled this "Olympic Equestrians 'Certain' To Pick Up Virus From The Teaspoons of Rio Water".

    3. Re: waterways by Zak3056 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a 10km open water event, so your statement that this is not a factor is incorrect.

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    4. Re: waterways by Holi · · Score: 1

      As is the marathon swimming event.

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    5. Re: waterways by fedos · · Score: 1

      The thing is that this affects all the Olympic athletes. Singling out swimmers is just weird.

    6. Re: waterways by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

      And I'm pretty sure land swimmers won't be affected as much.

    7. Re: waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they hit a puddle.

    8. Re: waterways by Zak3056 · · Score: 2

      The open water swimmers will be hit the hardest out of anyone, since they will be immersed in raw sewage. Ever try swimming without getting water in your mouth (much less other orifices)? It's impossible.

      The boaters are at risk as well, of course, but not to the degree that the swimmers are.

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    9. Re: waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't swim without getting water in your mouth, I hope you never go on a boat.

    10. Re:waterways by magarity · · Score: 1

      Will they be swimming in the waterways? Don't they have swimming pools with chlorinated water?

      While their rooms are in the "olympic villiage" or whatever they're calling it, it's not a prison. Any of them can go hang at the beach in the afternoon once they've competed for the day.

    11. Re: waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like saying "if you can't suck dick without getting semen or pre semen in your mouth, don't suck dick"

      What kind of advice is that lol.

    12. Re: waterways by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      New event: Hazmat Suit Swim!

    13. Re: waterways by dafradu · · Score: 1

      Wrong...

      Open waters event will take place in a beach with the entire ocean in front of it. The water is constantly circulating and any material is quickly dispersed in the ocean. Millions of people go to that beach every year, it far from anything like swage.

      Sailing and rowing i believe are in a bay where water isn't renovated that much. Any piece of trash just stays there for a long time...

    14. Re: waterways by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      The water is constantly circulating and any material is quickly dispersed in the ocean.

      Except for body parts, apparently.

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    15. Re: waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brilliant observation.

      Except the beaches tested unacceptably high too.

      So really, a misleading and ignorant comment all around. Lovely work.

    16. Re: waterways by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The open water swimmers will be hit the hardest out of anyone, since they will be immersed in raw sewage.

      Just a quick question - how many jobs have you had that invlved routinely dealing with literal raw sewage? I'm going to hazard a guess that the number is zero. I've had two. There is a very big difference between raw sewage and somewhat dirty water.

      Sometimes, when you hear the hysterical squawking about shit, that some people forget that they get shit on their arseholes every day, and they get other people's shit on their hands and up their noses every time they use a public toilet or "wash"room.

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    17. Re: waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The water is constantly circulating and any material is quickly dispersed in the ocean. Millions of people go to that beach every year...

      Filth, body parts and excreta from Millions of people will take a lot of time to disperse. So as you said, it will circulate and come back.

    18. Re:waterways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We do have swimming pools. In fact we have the largest swimming pool in the world. Its length 30 meter and width 6 meter. Its filtration system a marvel to behold, it removes 80 percent of human solid waste.

  3. What do they expect ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    hey give things like the Olympics to developing countries who think of them as giant dick waving competitions to try and show the world their country isn't really a pathetic shithole, and they wonder why things don't work out ?

    The Brazilians have spent an absolute fortune on these games, money they can't afford.

    I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be for the best that only First World nations can host these sorts of things. The other countries can come along, but until they step up economically they're not allowed to host.

    Simple rule of thumb : If you have half your population living in cardboard boxes and shitting in the street then you can't have the games.

    Done.

    1. Re:What do they expect ? by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      So... no games for the US 'til the economy recovers?

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    2. Re: What do they expect ? by Frankzy · · Score: 1

      Works for me...

    3. Re:What do they expect ? by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2

      I hope not. Keep the IOC far the fuck away from the city I live in.

      Hopefully this meaningless tripe will implode due to the IOC's corruption and greed.

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    4. Re:What do they expect ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're overlooking the actual problem. Brazil and Russia are the largest economies on their respective continents, and they are also terribly corrupt ones.

      The fact that Rio seems to think that a heavily contaminated water system is "no big deal" tells you the same kind of story from Russia when Sochi had unfinished hotel rooms, or rooms with missing or puzzling arrangements.

      Then there's China. China's smog. Enough said.

      The last Olympics that was in a place that wasn't disgusting was Vancouver, and the next one in Tokyo will have the benefit of "the last 3 Olympics were unsafe for athletes, we're going to put those to shame" with a very short bar to leap to get there. Japan if anything, does not like to be embarrassed.

      As for Vancouver... there were some very minor issues regarding corners cut on the projects for the Olympics, but they didn't affect the Olympics themselves, rather they affected the housing prices in a very unhealthy way that is only now reaching a political "mess". This is unlike what happens when other cities host the winter Olympics, usually all the Olympic venues are abandoned and the housing can't even be sold at a profit. In Vancouver, the Athletes village had to be funded by the City (690 million), and then sold off by the city at a 100 million dollar loss, just prior to real estate prices spiking. (it's really hard to ask 2.2million for a tiny condo.)

    5. Re: What do they expect ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really not sure that I would put London into the same category as Rio. It seemed pretty safe and well organised to me.

    6. Re:What do they expect ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the politicians wanted it in Chicago, pretty much none of the "common" people who actually lived there wanted to host it.

    7. Re:What do they expect ? by magarity · · Score: 1

      Brazil and Russia are the largest economies on their respective continents

      Where do you get your numbers? Russia is the largest by geographical area but their economy is puny compared to China's.

    8. Re:What do they expect ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH yeah, lets bow to China. Wait, better yet, lets kneel before this wonderful asia-wide open sewer that flashes on CNN like as if it were a jewel. Idiots.

      For the record. Brazil has cash to foot 3 Olympics. We are not a nation of beggars. We are the seventh economy in the World. And Florianopolis is the place that should host the whole thing.

    9. Re:What do they expect ? by magarity · · Score: 1

      A statement like "largest economy" is a simple number comparison. There's no bowing involved. Get help for your insecurities.

    10. Re:What do they expect ? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I lived in Korea back in '88 shortly before the games were held there. Those Olympics were a serious turning point for the economy of the country. YMMV, but what you said certainly was not true for Korea.

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  4. If you ask me by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    The water-sports athletes at Rio will be up shit creek.

    1. Re:If you ask me by quenda · · Score: 3, Funny

      They will not really be swimming, just going through the motions*.

      *("movements" in US English)

    2. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit! Brazil is such a cesspool. It's literally one of the dirtiest and most ocrrupt places in the whole of Americas. I just do not understand how they ever managed to get the Olympci Games. It's going to be a hellhole for tourists and many are undoubtedly going to get hurt bad by local thugs with nothing to lose.

      Anyone who disagrees is free to come back here and tell me I was wrong after the Olympics.

    3. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't they two different fetishes?

    4. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only different by a few inches.
      (Sorry, somebody had to go there).

    5. Re:If you ask me by PRMan · · Score: 1

      ...with a bleaching paddle.

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    6. Re:If you ask me by PRMan · · Score: 1

      We say "going through the motions" in the US.

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    7. Re: If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but you don't say bowel motions. He was translating the pun for you guys, but you missed it anyway.

    8. Re:If you ask me by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      Some highlights from the marathon https://youtu.be/4YNl3Zhiz90?t=69 courtesy of Monty Python.

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    9. Re:If you ask me by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      The water-sports athletes at Rio will be up shit creek.

      Aren't they two different fetishes?

      It's only different by a few inches. (Sorry, somebody had to go there).

      They only went there if their aim was off (by a few inches).

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    10. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going to go out on a limb and say you answered your own question. Perhaps the "ocrruption" has something to do with them getting the "Olympci" games...

    11. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't the fact that Brazils corrupt explain how they managed to get the Olympics? They knew exactly who to bribe to get the IOC to ensure they were select. They could ensure that no local government or media was going to investigate the corrupt practices used to ensure the Olympics were set there. No one in the media will closely look at the practices that have ensured lots of money went to the right people in the matter of venues, housing and facilities. The government will ensure that all of the Rio 'street children' are swept out of the way and kept invisible to the international media, not that THEY'LL look very closely. They will also insure that the thousands of hookers procured for Olympic athletes and fans don't have any difficulties with police and also stay out of media view (probably be ensuring the applicable media associate producers and talent get their hookers for free.)
      This is just the kind of venue the IOC wants.

    12. Re:If you ask me by NetNed · · Score: 1

      With or without a teaspoon?

    13. Re: If you ask me by SecurityGuy · · Score: 2

      I get it, it just doesn't work in US English. "Going through the motions" doesn't conjure up any reference to the crap (literal or figurative) in the water. "Going through the movements" is just an unusual thing nobody would say. I doubt GP didn't understand. It's just not funny in US English.

    14. Re: If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, it was a shitty pun.

    15. Re:If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fixed it....The water-sports athletes at Rio will be up shitting up the creek."

    16. Re: If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Insightful.

      We can likely confirm all that from documentaries etc. produced outside Brazil in a few years' time.

    17. Re: If you ask me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow

      a double woosh

      don't see that everyday!

  5. Sounds like Free vaccination... by dimethylxanthine · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Anti-vaxxers (which I know are literally non-existent on /.) need not read further. I think exposure to most new pathogens is likely what keeps our immune systems training, learning and ultimately healthy. Plus a bit of mild diarrhoea is a good cleanser ;) Seriously though, I imagine those going to the Olympics will have received their respective vaccinations well in advance. Otherwise, you might find consolation in the fact that Brazilians swim, drink, (have lots of sex with everything and anything) - and are doing ah-OK. * {usual disclaimer stuff here}

    1. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vaccinations result in a lower load on the immune system.

    2. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      I completely agree. One third of the human population has parasites inside of them. Ever wonder Brazilian women are so thin?

      Take a look at this video. It looks like pasta. It's so yummy! The US Olympic athletes should be paying for that privilege if you ask me.

    3. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      exposure to most new pathogens is likely what keeps our immune systems training

      Does you no good if you are exposed to multiple potentially serious pathogens at the same time, and the results can be fatal.

      Seriously though, I imagine those going to the Olympics will have received their respective vaccinations well in advance.

      This may be shocking for you to learn: But there are life-threatening diseases you can get from contaminated water which there is no vaccine against.

      Available vaccines mostly only mitigate diseases which spread from person to person.

    4. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by dwywit · · Score: 2

      3 citations, please

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    6. Re: Sounds like Free vaccination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally minor exposure to infectious agents can massively improve immune response, but these exposures will be standard infection dosages, and worse, multiple separate infections.

      Multiple infections at once, more so viral, can lead to gene transfer between not only the viruses involved, but also the host. We know they can become inherited by offspring and be seemingly deactivated until another infection with the right genes come along and boom, cancer. (Or some other disease)

      It's a double-edged sword that varies massively from person to person. Like anything immune-related, which is why drug research is so damn expensive, testing compatibility between other drugs and the multiple failed drugs needing to be paid off by the one 'successful' drug.

    7. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that's where vaccines are at their most awesome.
      You get exposure to new pathogens, *WITHOUT* the whole dying-of-it deal!

    8. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Sure.. their life expectancy is over 5 years lower than the u.s. and almost a decade lower than most of Europe but what the hey.

      Besides brain and heart inflammation build character.

      If I were an athelete at risk, I would skip this one. If for no other reason that it will be worse in the future if they tolerate it this time.
       

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    9. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Exactly...
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm...
      Despite these limitations, Anstey and colleagues are to be congratulated for applying this methodology to produce a unique assessment of the relationship between parasite biomass and the major determinants of severe malaria pathogenesis: inflammation, sequestration, and vascular endothelial dysfunction [15], [19]. Their data are all the more remarkable because they compare large numbers of healthy controls and subjects with both P. falciparum and P. vivax malaria [12]. Whilst there appear to be many similarities between severe disease caused by both parasite species, it is only when parasite biomass and distribution are considered that distinct pathogenic mechanisms begin to be revealed.

      The same thing also applies to toxin load. Which is why cherries having sub dangerous levels of over 20 different toxins and pesticides is an issue. Taken alone, you'd be okay. Consider it like taking subfatal doses of arsenic, cyanide, and strychnine at the same time. Combined they can kill you even tho separately they are not fatal doses.

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    10. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      If I were an athelete at risk, I would skip this one. If for no other reason that it will be worse in the future if they tolerate it this time.

      Easy to say hard to do. If these athletes are successful at the Olympics they stand to make a lot of money from sponsorships, speaking engagements, and product endorsements of various kinds.

      The trouble is just getting to the Olympics is *hard* and they are not guaranteed a spot in the future, especially if they sit this one out. Even their own coaches/trainers etc might decide to throw most of their efforts behind someone younger and more *committed* if they back out.

      So the risks are big, but on the other hand many of the athletes see this as 'their shot' which they have a lot invested in already.

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    11. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself in the ass, hillbilly. Brazil had golden-lined European cities and was part of a global empire when a bunch of squalid English religious zealots went precariously ashore somewhere in Northeastern North America, 1620.

    12. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      was part of a global empire when a bunch of squalid English religious zealots

      Citation needed. One hemisphere does not "global" make.

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    13. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Global as in South America, Africa, India, China and Japan, you asshole. The United Kingdom of Brazil used to be the Capital of the Portuguese empire well before you went fighting each other because color of skin. We had dreadnoughts in the 20th century while you were still going wooden to the sea. Shut the fuck up

    14. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      ...what? Not sure if being trolled but I'd genuinely like to read more about whatever the hell you're talking about.

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    15. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Huh. Apparently not being (entirely) trolled.

      Although the part where Portugal was part of it basically means that you could less confusingly just call it the Portuguese Empire. Haven't found any bits about dreadnoughts* yet, but the whole thing only lasted for 7 years apparently.

      *Technically speaking, calling a ship a "dreadnought" means it was inspired by the literal HMS Dreadnought, which wouldn't have been built yet.

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    16. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Finally, not sure how they were "part of a global empire [in] 1620" when the UK of Port, Braz, & Alg didn't exist until 1815...

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    17. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be so despicably ignorant. Worst yet, don't be a willing ignorant. ...>>>...

      I don't know why you dislike us. You should really reach for us. You might really need us in the future. We'll see about that as the century goes on.

    18. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Despicably ignorant? Because I haven't studied the history of a random country on a different continent from where I live? Ha.

      Two warships of the Brazilian Navy

              Brazilian battleship Minas Geraes, a battleship operating from 1910 until 1952
              Brazilian aircraft carrier Minas Gerais, a light aircraft carrier operating from 1956 until 2001.

      I'm not denying Brazil has/had battleships. You claimed a date of 1620 for this one, which is wildly wrong.

      I don't know why you dislike us.

      I don't, per se. I dislike your inadequate attempts to make an argument for why Brazil is awesome.

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    19. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Er, whoops. I'm getting your posts mixed up. The 1620 reference is in regards to the Brazilian et al. global Empire (which is still wrong, but hey), not the dreadnoughts.

      We had dreadnoughts in the 20th century while you were still going wooden to the sea.

      Maine and Texas were part of the "New Navy" program of the 1880s. They, and BB-1 to BB-4 were authorized as "coast defense battleships".
      [...]
      The dreadnoughts, BB-26 South Carolina through BB-35 Texas, commissioned between 1910 and 1914,

      São Paulo Brazilian Dreadnought battleship
      Commissioned: 1910

      Minas Gerais Brazilian Dreadnought battleship
      Commissioned: 1910

      "While still going wooden to sea," sure.

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    20. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Off the top of my head, you missed the other Brazilian battleship, the Sao Paulo. They weren't all that impressive when completed. Brazil had ordered two other battleships in Britain, which Turkey bought, and which the RN took over when WWI started.

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    21. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      The first permanent British colony in North America was actually Jamestown in 1610, not Plymouth in 1620.

      Well, I mean the first colony in Jamestown was 1607 but pretty much everybody starved or died of disease. From 1610 they started getting their act together.

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    22. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Random country? Perhaps for an uneducated white trash like you. Ignorance is not a virtue, punkass.

    23. Re:Sounds like Free vaccination... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 0

      So how is your knowledge on Burkina Faso, punkass? What? No, it's totally not random.

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  6. I don't get it. by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've known for years and it is not uncommon for the Olympic city to host an event in another city (e.g. London held Sailing etc in Dorset), why did they HAVE to have these events in the dangerous Rio waters? I mean sure, a city that is on the coast, unlike others like the aforementioned London, COULD host water sports IF there are suitable waters. In this case there are no suitable waters, why couldn't they just move the event? It is not like they spent money for infrastructure for Sailing - in fact they didn't spend the promised money for sewage treatment, so they could just move the venue at any time.

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    1. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the swimmers could simply not go there, let the event vacant

      but no, its still cooler to "win" even if you are the only one swimming and someone would participate even if everybody else left

      fuck them, in the butt, all of them, the people in the olympic comitee, the people in rio, the swimmers

      I dont care about them AT ALL

      the olympic comitee is a fucking farce, specially since the big brands took absolute control of this thing 20 years ago, Its a shit tier competition, the world championships organized by each sport federation are orders of magnitude better

    2. Re:I don't get it. by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      It was some time ago to either move the open water events from the bay, or at least have a backup plan if/when the waters weren't cleaned up. The world sailing body was fired over pushing to move it.

    3. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is common sense but, in the end, the person who tried to do this ended up being fired!

      Keep in mind that the situation is way worse for the sailors, who will be competing inside of Guanabara Bay. This is what the water looks like. It is not unusual for sailors to get in contact with water - particularly, in the case of windsurfers. Check out what happened to this German sailor in a training event last year.

      ...and then, of course, there is the security situation.

      The whole situation is absolutely ridiculous.

    4. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      They've known for years and it is not uncommon for the Olympic city to host an event in another city (e.g. London held Sailing etc in Dorset), why did they HAVE to have these events in the dangerous Rio waters?

      My guess is politics and money. It'd be a major screwup if Rio admitted they couln't get the water clean like they promised. Also, just simply a matter of money. Moving the event would be a big loss for anyone with a vested interest in having them in Rio. Even though sailing isn't (I think?) a big local spectator sport, I'm sure there's still a lot of money involved in support. The boats need to be stored somewhere, there's local support people that get paid. So they just faked it and kept saying they could do it. Just keep re-assuring anyone that questions you. Then eventually it'll be too late, and you'll just have to have it in Rio.

      And obviously, that worked.

    5. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself Ecuatorian scum. Get out of the stone age before criticizing Brazil. We are your masters, you drunk redface.

    6. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "Ecuadorian" and the GP is not actually from Ecuador... This is the internet, user names are not descriptive (except for the very appropriate Anonymous Coward).

    7. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is politics and money. It'd be a major screwup if Rio admitted they couln't get the water clean like they promised.

      They did in fact admit it, was it 2 years ago IIRC?

    8. Re:I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've known for years and it is not uncommon for the Olympic city to host an event in another city (e.g. London held Sailing etc in Dorset), why did they HAVE to have these events in the dangerous Rio waters? I mean sure, a city that is on the coast, unlike others like the aforementioned London, COULD host water sports IF there are suitable waters. In this case there are no suitable waters, why couldn't they just move the event? It is not like they spent money for infrastructure for Sailing - in fact they didn't spend the promised money for sewage treatment, so they could just move the venue at any time.

      Because they're pulling their entire police and military force into/around Rio in the hopes of keeping the crime to a minimum, so most of the rest of the country will be essentially a free-for-all.
      Among other reasons, such as Rio being their number one tourist spot, and they don't want to admit to the world that it's a cesspool.

  7. athletes and tourists are at risk of getting ill by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And then bring it home to the rest of the world.

    An example of the Olympic games forward planning and their high standards.

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  8. Open water swimming by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Will they be swimming in the waterways? Don't they have swimming pools with chlorinated water?

    Some of the events are events.

    If I was in one of those sports I would be thinking pretty hard about skipping the Olympics no matter how big a deal they happen to be. I can't imagine a gold medal being worth the problems that would come from swimming through raw sewage. The fact that the IOC hasn't stepped in to change the venue tells you everything you need to know about how much the IOC cares about the well being of the athletes.

    1. Re:Open water swimming by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Messed up the link. open water swimming events.

    2. Re:Open water swimming by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      The fact that the IOC hasn't stepped in to change the venue tells you everything you need to know about how much the IOC cares about the well being of the athletes.

      This has been big news for quite some time, so a little FTFY is in order:

      The fact that the athletes are still going there tells you everything you need to know about how much the athletes care about their own well-being.

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    3. Re:Open water swimming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they need to do is collect a couple of supertankers full of Ganges water and release it into the event area in the days leading up to the event... better than chlorine, viral macrophages. Of course, something terrible will crawl into the tank at the same time and have some unforeseen consequence, but it sounds like a great idea.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganges#The_purifying_Ganga

    4. Re:Open water swimming by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      The fact that the IOC hasn't stepped in to change the venue tells you everything you need to know about how much the IOC cares about the well being of the athletes.

      That's been pretty clear since the 70s, if not earlier.

  9. Follow the money by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In this case there are no suitable waters, why couldn't they just move the event?

    A great question. I think the answer is that the IOC doesn't actually give a shit (pun intended) about the well being of the athletes as long as they get paid. They let the Russians into the games despite CLEAR evidence of state sponsored doping. The IOC could easily have set benchmarks for water quality and time tables and made arrangements for a backup venue if the cleanup couldn't happen in time. But they couldn't be bothered. Why? I think the answer will be found if you follow the money.

    1. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the two major Russian-led events have had Russian banned: Weightlifting, and Athletics (I.E. track-and-field/running/sprinting).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics#Participation_requirements_due_to_doping_scandal

      The remaining events they're in aren't as readily impacted by long-term doping, only short-term doping and other exploits (such as hyper-oxygenated blood for cycling) which all of their athletes are being invasively triple-checked for at this point.

      So yeah, Russian got a big bucket of banhammer to the noggin' this year, and I expect several more of their athletes to get stuck by the at-games testing and DQ'ed.

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    2. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clear evidence of state sponsored doping that can be resolved by creating extra anti-doping testing measures instead of indirectly banning innocent athletes who have worked harder than your ass ever has for your own job on account of guilty ones.
      Banning is never a solution. It's a measure only simple-minded idiots take who can't think of anything else and don't want to take testing responsibility.

    3. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's also the matter of infrastructure, hotels, transportation, etc. In Brazil, there probably aren't that many venues that can handle Olympic tourism levels.

    4. Re:Follow the money by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The IOC could easily have set benchmarks for water quality and time tables and made arrangements for a backup venue if the cleanup couldn't happen in time.

      They still can (and should!!) do that right now. It would cost a little bit of money, but they could easily say, "we are moving the rowing and swimming to the Mississippi River outside Council Bluffs." Alternately, they could go to Europe, or Australia. I guarantee there is a venue that would accept them at this late date. Even if they decided to change next week, it would still be ok. Even if they had to delay those portions of the olympics to next month, it would be ok. It might even be better, because it would extend the coverage of the olympics for an extra month. They are not only corrupt, they are utterly incompetent morons.

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    5. Re:Follow the money by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Clear evidence of state sponsored doping that can be resolved by creating extra anti-doping testing measures instead of indirectly banning innocent athletes who have worked harder than your ass ever has for your own job on account of guilty ones.

      You cannot fix state sponsored doping by any means other than banning the nation that does it. If you try to solve the problem by catching individual athletes two things will happen. 1) you won't catch very many of them and 2) the nation doing the doping will just send another doper to replace the few you caught. Congratulations you have solved absolutely nothing. Furthermore once the state starts a doping program, NOBODY is innocent. Russia has literally murdered whistleblowers and they have forced every athlete on their track team to dope. All of them. There are no innocent parties once the government starts supporting cheating.

      By the way, I've been a high level athlete (D1 college) and trained with Olympic and world champions (my coach for one) so don't pretend you understand what is involved better than I do.

      Banning is never a solution. It's a measure only simple-minded idiots take who can't think of anything else and don't want to take testing responsibility.

      You realize you are proudly displaying your ignorance of the testing process and it's flaws. The dopers are ALWAYS one (or more) steps ahead of the tests to catch them. It is almost trivial to avoid testing positive if one has the assistance of a properly clued in doctor. There is no testing regime you can develop that cannot be defeated by an interested and motivated and sufficiently financed group of cheaters.

    6. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh yes, ignore prior evidence of a state sponsored program to cheat and rely on their claims of cleanness and the hope that you can catch them in the act.

  10. What Olympians are actually like by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reality is that (a) most of the athletes are borderline sociopathic animals,

    Speaking as someone who knows several Olympic athletes personally you are completely full of shit if you actually believe that. I played D1 college sports (wrestling) and one of my coaches was a multi-time Olympic gold medalist. Nicest guy you would ever care to meet. He loved to compete in his chosen sport like some people here love to tinker with nifty technology. But that doesn't make one a "borderline sociopath". Furthermore through sport he managed to get out of some fairly rough circumstances and so have several others I know. I've trained with and interacted with numerous Olympians over the last 35 years competing and coaching my sport. If you actually knew any of these people the word "sociopath" would be the furthest thing from your mind. The fact that you feel the need to tear down someone you never met and know nothing about means that YOU are the sociopath in this conversation.

    and these sorts of problems are not going to prevent them from fighting hard for their shiny piece of metal;

    If you think an Olympic medal means winning a "shiny piece of metal", you don't have a clue what it represents.

    From living through the London Olympics, it was pretty clear that the whole event is just for TV.

    Of course it is. That's one of the main sources of revenue for the Olympics and for any major sport. Every major sports league is made for TV because that's how you get the largest audience. The number of people who can actually attend any given event in person is comparatively small. NBC pays the Olympics tens of billions of dollars for broadcasting rights. Of course the games are televised.

    1. Re:What Olympians are actually like by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1, Troll

      If you think an Olympic medal means winning a "shiny piece of metal", you don't have a clue what it represents.

      It represents being one of the three best at something that doesn't actually matter at all.

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    2. Re:What Olympians are actually like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be one of those "nothing matters at all because eventually we'll be dead" people. Please start taking your meds again.

    3. Re:What Olympians are actually like by Holi · · Score: 1

      You mean to you.

      Very few people do anything that matters to more then a few people around them, Olympic athletes are praised the world over, they are held up as shining examples. You can argue against that all you want, you will still be wrong.

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    4. Re:What Olympians are actually like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrestling is sociopathic. Mats and bodies covered with herpes, adenovirii, etc. Feel sorry for the kids.

    5. Re:What Olympians are actually like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Olympic athletes are praised the world over,

      And the Kardashians are praised, too. Just for existing. Praise is no measure of usefulness or meaningfulness.

    6. Re:What Olympians are actually like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It represents being one of the three best at something that doesn't actually matter at all.

      Remember that after the EMTs leave you and your torn ACL lying on the stairs coming out of your mom's basement because the improved therapies we have from the progress in sports medicine arising from these athletes trying to be the best three at something don't matter at all.

      Can you even see the end of your nose with that level of myopia?

    7. Re:What Olympians are actually like by Holi · · Score: 1

      "And held up as shining examples", You know when you cherry pick words out of the quote you change it's meaning. Unlike the Kardashians, Olympic athletes are held up as role models. Please show me how I am wrong, how Olympic athletes aren't held up as examples for people to strive for. Yes some fall flat, and that in itself proves the point. The media circus when an Olympic athlete makes an error in judgement. Look at Michael Phelps or Ross Rebagliati.

      Still, we need to retire the Olympics for awhile. The IOC and the various national OC's have permanently damaged the Olympics reputation, making it more about the spectacle (and money, of course) then about the athletes. When they took it from the amateurs, they took away what made it special.

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    8. Re:What Olympians are actually like by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There are people who seem to consider the Kardashians as role models.

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  11. The stakes are high by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that the athletes are still going there tells you everything you need to know about how much the athletes care about their own well-being.

    A lot of them aren't going because of the sanitation problems. But let me ask you this. If you had worked and trained your whole life for something that you probably only had one shot to accomplish, would you give that up easily? Something that for many of them can literally change their life and that of their family for the better? If you say you would give it up easily then you don't adequately understand the question or the stakes involved. I was once an athlete that competed at a fairly high level and I still coach in my sport. I understand why the athletes are conflicted about giving up their chance at an Olympic medal.

    For some of these athletes they are literally competing for their future financial well being. Winning an Olympic medal in some places can be life changing. It can make some of them national hero's and set them and their family up for years to come. Would you swim through a river of shit if it would drag your family out poverty? Because for some, that is the stakes on the table.

    Even for those not attempting to drag themselves out of poverty, competing in the Olympics can be life changing. In my sport it's basically a job interview. Competing in the Olympics can result in a modest but solid income and career for those who want to coach in the sport. Win a gold medal and it can result in substantial economic benefit if you play your cards right. It's about a lot more than just a shiny piece of metal.

    1. Re:The stakes are high by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      The fact that the athletes are still going there tells you everything you need to know about how much the athletes care about their own well-being.

      A lot of them aren't going because of the sanitation problems. But let me ask you this. If you had worked and trained your whole life for something that you probably only had one shot to accomplish, would you give that up easily? Something that for many of them can literally change their life and that of their family for the better? If you say you would give it up easily then you don't adequately understand the question or the stakes involved. I was once an athlete that competed at a fairly high level and I still coach in my sport. I understand why the athletes are conflicted about giving up their chance at an Olympic medal.

      For some of these athletes they are literally competing for their future financial well being. Winning an Olympic medal in some places can be life changing. It can make some of them national hero's and set them and their family up for years to come. Would you swim through a river of shit if it would drag your family out poverty? Because for some, that is the stakes on the table.

      Even for those not attempting to drag themselves out of poverty, competing in the Olympics can be life changing. In my sport it's basically a job interview. Competing in the Olympics can result in a modest but solid income and career for those who want to coach in the sport. Win a gold medal and it can result in substantial economic benefit if you play your cards right. It's about a lot more than just a shiny piece of metal.

      Lots of things can result in substantial economic benefit if you play your cards rights, that doesn't mean overlooking the risk of contracting and passing on a particularly nasty disease, especially when the best-case scenario is one where the individual get's all the reward and society gets nothing. This is a particularly selfish course of action.

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    2. Re: The stakes are high by mrmatthewcarlson · · Score: 1

      World class athletes have lots of different opportunities to compete. The Olympics are kind of a showcase for random sports, as well as an opportunity to represent your country (whatever that means), but I bet it is not considered the end-all event in most sports. Maybe moms are like "play your stupid pinball at the Olympics and then I'll watch."

    3. Re:The stakes are high by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1, Insightful

      For some of these athletes they are literally competing for their future financial well being. Winning an Olympic medal in some places can be life changing. It can make some of them national hero's and set them and their family up for years to come. Would you swim through a river of shit if it would drag your family out poverty? Because for some, that is the stakes on the table.

      Given the odds and the competition, that's an incredibly short-sighted gamble. To devote years to something that unlikely when there are MANY better ways to provide. It's all about ego. "Look at me".

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    4. Re:The stakes are high by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

      Can you name one open water swimmer who won a medal in any prior Olympics? How about for Crew? I would say your long-term health isn't worth the financial benefits that the Rio open water sports provides you: http://moneyramblings.com/money-olympic-athletes-earn/.

    5. Re:The stakes are high by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      ... If you had worked and trained your whole life for something that you probably only had one shot to accomplish, would you give that up easily? Something that for many of them can literally change their life and that of their family for the better?

      Point taken. But really, in this regard how does competing at the Olympics differ from a stint on any of several reality TV shows? And arguably the TV shows might be safer.

      I'm not saying this to be flippant, nor to minimize the dedication and hard work and sacrifices of athletes who compete at the highest levels. But seriously, when do we stop giving in to corporate greed and corruption? The IOC is organized thuggery, and there are uncomfortable parallels between the Olympic Games and the Hunger Games. Yes, it's an extreme comparison; but a little thought, especially in the context of your argument, makes it seem somewhat less extreme.

      For some of these athletes they are literally competing for their future financial well being. Winning an Olympic medal in some places can be life changing. It can make some of them national hero's and set them and their family up for years to come.

      I don't know about you, but to me that sounds even more like "Hunger Games".

      Would you swim through a river of shit if it would drag your family out poverty?

      If I was any kind of a swimmer, then yes, I probably would. The more important question is, "with all of humanity's productive power and technological advancements, why is it still necessary for anyone to swim through a river of shit in order drag their families out of poverty?" Never mind doing so for a chance at a 'job interview'.

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    6. Re:The stakes are high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, wouldn't all the sponsors, and the viewers, and the attendees all share responsibility and blame for allowing such a situation in the first place. Imagine if the sponsors for these water events pull out, or broadcasters say nope, not airing this...let alone individuals states

      I have entire countries crossed off of DO NOT VISIT, so yes personal responsibility. but lots of responsibility to go around

    7. Re:The stakes are high by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

      Winning an Olympic medal in some places can be life changing. It can make some of them national hero's and set them and their family up for years to come.

      This is a really good point. Winning a single gold medal 40 years ago is the unfortunate thing that gave us Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner and her awful family. Members of 1984 US women's gymnastic team are still famous here in the US, especially Mary Lou Retton. Nadia Comaneci has been the subject of interviews this year on the 40th anniversary of her excellence in Olympic gymnastics. These are but a few examples.

    8. Re:The stakes are high by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      You are joking right? Swimmers and rowers are rich or upper middle class kids to begin with. Give me a break. There is a reason most great swimmers are from the US or Australia: relative wealth, access to training and PEDs. Period. Swimmers aren't coming from poor countries.

    9. Re:The stakes are high by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Winning an Olympic medal in some places can be life changing

      Caitlyn Jenner, is that you?

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    10. Re:The stakes are high by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Even for those not attempting to drag themselves out of poverty, competing in the Olympics can be life changing. In my sport it's basically a job interview. Competing in the Olympics can result in a modest but solid income and career for those who want to coach in the sport. Win a gold medal and it can result in substantial economic benefit if you play your cards right. It's about a lot more than just a shiny piece of metal.

      Ask anyone to name a silver medal winner from years past. Chances are they can't name even one, which goes to show you how much these athletes are respected, even when they beat 99.999% of the world to demonstrate exactly how good they are.

      Yes, we've heard of a handful of Olympic competitors opening up gyms, or doing something else to try and extend their 15 minutes of fame. But the sad reality is people really don't care, and I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority of gold medal winners go on to find some other life or career that has nothing to do with their Olympic prowess, for the plain and simple reason of economics.

      Put simply, the Olympics pay out financial success along the lines of winning the lottery. I'm not so sure anyone's life is worth those odds.

    11. Re:The stakes are high by c · · Score: 2

      Point taken. But really, in this regard how does competing at the Olympics differ from a stint on any of several reality TV shows?

      In the big picture, not much. For 99.99% of the population, the Olympics are little more than an odd blend of entertainment and patriotism.

      For an individual with an extreme passion for that specific sport? It may be the only thing that matters.

      Personally, I tend to ignore coverage of any sports that I don't personally play which makes Olympic event coverage of little interest, but I do kinda understand what drives people to compete. I have to admit that I don't really understand why any population with a lick of sense would want to play host to such a beast, though.

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    12. Re:The stakes are high by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Ask anyone to name a silver medal winner from years past

      I couldn't name a single gold medal winner...

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    13. Re:The stakes are high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you're fucking dead.

    14. Re:The stakes are high by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but most of us don't have that many opportunities to do something that results in substantial economic benefit. If your specialty is swimming, you will either get your benefit swimming or go bust. If your expertise is computer programming, you will either do well in that field or go bust. It's very hard to switch careers especially when you've already put so much into one field. I think the gist of your post is that being a low-level IT administrator is a more noble career than being a professional athlete. I'm not going to jump into that fray. The point is that people may only have once chance at significantly improving their lives, and this may be it. It's not an easy decision.

    15. Re:The stakes are high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're being myopic. Most medal-level athletes are from relatively wealthy countries to begin with simply because their populations have the time and the resources to train. It's not just swimmers and rowers.

    16. Re:The stakes are high by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I have to admit that I don't really understand why any population with a lick of sense would want to play host to such a beast, though.

      I read an article about it........it seems in the late 70s or so, the IOC was having some trouble finding venues because of reasons that make sense and you could probably list them. Along the way, cities started realizing that the olympics if done right could be a great source of revenue (from advertising or something, I can't remember what, sorry) and started fighting to host it. Probably cities are even more anxious to host it when they can reduce their expenses by getting 'help' from a national government.

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    17. Re:The stakes are high by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      ...when the best-case scenario is one where the individual get's all the reward and society gets nothing.

      WTF???

      Are you seriously thinking that all an individuals' actions should be for the betterment of the larger society?!?!

      Where did this mindset come along? That's not the type of individualistic thinking that make this country great.

      Sure. we work together, and sure we all make society a good thing to live in, but you're making it sound like it is the primary thing all individuals should strive towards with all their actions and endeavors.

      It is the opposite way for MOST things. The individual works to better himself, and gain individual rewards.....society usually benefits down the line, but man, I cannot fathom of thinking of society over myself for hardly any of my actions in life....

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    18. Re:The stakes are high by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      ...when the best-case scenario is one where the individual get's all the reward and society gets nothing.

      WTF???

      Are you seriously thinking that all an individuals' actions should be for the betterment of the larger society?!?!

      Way to go, snipping the context there... did you miss this bit?

      the risk of contracting and passing on a particularly nasty disease, especially when the best-case scenario is

      I never said that an individuals actions *should* be for the betterment of society, I said that an individuals actions should not harm society! There's a gulf between what I wrote and what you read (and quoted).

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    19. Re:The stakes are high by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying this to be flippant, nor to minimize the dedication and hard work and sacrifices of athletes who compete at the highest levels. But seriously, when do we stop giving in to corporate greed and corruption? The IOC is organized thuggery, and there are uncomfortable parallels between the Olympic Games and the Hunger Games. Yes, it's an extreme comparison; but a little thought, especially in the context of your argument, makes it seem somewhat less extreme.

      Few, if any of the athletes care, or even know. There are exceptions... Look back on the history of the AAU, and Prefonaine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... And look at the shit storm that is the NCAA, and lawsuits by football and basketball players. But, in the big scheme of things, most just want to compete. I swam competitively, for hours, six days a week, all year long for several years. Money, or even scholarship, was never the goal, it was just about friendly competition, and our team beating the other teams. 40+ years later, I've still got former teammates who feel like brothers to me.

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    20. Re:The stakes are high by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Ask anyone to name a silver medal winner from years past

      I couldn't name a single gold medal winner...

      The only gold medal winner I know the name of is Michael Phelps. I don't even know what event he won in (some swimming event, but there are dozens), what year he won, or anything else. The Olympics fucking suck and need to go away.

    21. Re:The stakes are high by phorm · · Score: 1

      Well, it could change their lives for the better, but the potential for some of these viruses is that it could also *END* their lives, or at least leave them crippled.

      Lung failure, cardiac issues, or brain swelling aren't things to f*** around with. Even if they live through the sickness, it could certainly end their career.

    22. Re:The stakes are high by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      I do kinda understand what drives people to compete.

      Not to be insulting, but do you really? Or were you raised with the generation of kids who got participation medals? Some people are very competitive, myself included, and it is reflected in many things outside of sports. Others, well not so much.

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    23. Re:The stakes are high by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Funny, I remember the name and knew he was an olympic swimmer who did some bong hits but didn't know he won anything...

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    24. Re:The stakes are high by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      It's better to burn out than to fade away
          -- The Kurgan

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    25. Re:The stakes are high by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You are joking right? Swimmers and rowers are rich or upper middle class kids to begin with. Give me a break. There is a reason most great swimmers are from the US or Australia: relative wealth, access to training and PEDs. Period. Swimmers aren't coming from poor countries.

      Having swam competitively in the 70s, I'll tell you flat out that you don't know wtf you're talking about.

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    26. Re:The stakes are high by lgw · · Score: 1

      Are you seriously thinking that all an individuals' actions should be for the betterment of the larger society?!?!

      There's a fine line there that casual arguments tend to obscure.

      All of us have a moral duty to take enough action for the betterment of society so as to give at least as much to society as we consume over our lifetimes. More than just monetarily, of course, but that's a good measure for most of it.

      Far too often people fall into the trap of attacking the extremes (or worse, defending them), when those are irrelevant. No sane person will seriously claim than either arr or none of an individuals actions should be for the betterment of society. But it's totally reasonable to argue about the details of what the balaance is, and how to measure it.

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    27. Re:The stakes are high by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Maybe he didn't. I just assumed he did with all the press coverage he got.

    28. Re:The stakes are high by c · · Score: 1

      Not to be insulting, but do you really?

      Yep.

      Or were you raised with the generation of kids who got participation medals?

      I don't think do, but to be honest I've never really been able to pin down where that generation was. I've never had kids and don't really spend time around them, so I'm pretty out of touch with that sort of bullshit.

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    29. Re: The stakes are high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REDACTED

    30. Re:The stakes are high by JimFive · · Score: 1

      Did the movie or the Def Leppard song Pyromania(?) come first?

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    31. Re:The stakes are high by Wulfson · · Score: 1

      But let me ask you this. If you had worked and trained your whole life for something that you probably only had one shot to accomplish, would you give that up easily?

      So what you're asking is,
      if you had, one shot, or one opportunity
      To seize everything you ever wanted. In one moment
      Would you capture it, or just let it slip?

    32. Re:The stakes are high by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Maybe he didn't. I just assumed he did with all the press coverage he got.

      Most lifetime Olympic gold medals won by any individual in history. Made possible mostly because all the swimming events have separate medals. The previous record holder was also a swimmer.

    33. Re: The stakes are high by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eminem.. is that you?

  12. get out of your box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The poor people of Rio are paying for those games with their health and their lives. Sociopath is too strong a word but be honest: how they suffer doesn't bother you or anyone else living it up at the Olympic party at public expense. http://money.cnn.com/gallery/n... http://www.businessinsider.com... https://www.theguardian.com/sp... http://www.theatlantic.com/bus... http://www.economist.com/blogs...

    The word he is looking for is Narcissism: the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's own attributes. Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a long term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of understanding of others' feelings.

    1. Re:get out of your box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The athletes are also paying for these games with their health and their lives (see topic and TFS for sources). It is all for the narcissists and sociopaths watching the event through their idiot box.

    2. Re:get out of your box by Holi · · Score: 1

      No, it's all for the sociopaths at the IOC who want to make their several million. Why not place the blame firmly at the feet of those who are responsible for all the bad decisions.

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    3. Re:get out of your box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you seriously suggesting the poster above should indulge in middle-class guilt over competing in the Olympics? What if your daughter was in his position? Would you tell her to boycott the Rio games and to instead mull upon the suffering of the locals? Or would you tell her to reach for the stars?

      I don't support the decision to have the Olympics in Rio any more than I support the decision to have the world cup in Qatar. And I hate the overly hyped spectacle that the Olympics has become. But to blame individual athletes like the guy above is absurd.

      Quit virtue signalling.

  13. You call THAT a water safety standard?!? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "The first results of the study published over a year ago showed viral levels at up to 1.7 million times what would be considered worrisome in the United States or Europe,...the beaches often have levels of bacterial markers for sewage pollution that would be cause for concern abroad -- and sometimes even exceed Rio state's lax water safety standards..."

    When viral levels are that high, why are you trying to convince anyone that Rio even has a documented "water safety standard"? You've got to be fucking kidding me with that shit.

    With those kinds of "standards", bleach would considered a safe alternative to drinking water, asbestos is just a "mild irritant" in construction, and DDT is considered a flavor additive in food production.

    No wonder no one gives a shit about Zika infections anymore.

    1. Re:You call THAT a water safety standard?!? by wickerprints · · Score: 3, Funny

      According to this study, they're gonna give a shit pretty soon, it would seem. A lot of very, very unpleasant shits.

  14. Strong Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Rio state's lax water safety standards...

    This should be a lesson to folks who want a weak government.

    Or here's another example - look at Mexico and the USA. Back in the 19th century, Mexico and the USA were equals. Now, look. The difference? Mexico has a weak government. Those drug lords wouldn't stand a chance in the US but in Mexico, they just do what they want and their government is just incapable of doing anything.

    We do need some reforms here in the US - like getting rid of the mass surveillance and our militarized police force - that's an example of government power getting a bit too strong.

    But my point is that the conservatives (Libertarians, mostly) who want a weak government are asking for problems that the free markets cannot solve.

    1. Re: Strong Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They have a strong government, dipshit. It's just fucking corrupt and incompetent.. You know, like most governments on Earth?

      How about you write up a similar assessment of Venezuela? Or.. No.. You're a hypocrite.

  15. The Olympic Dream by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given all of Brazil's problems, was hosting the Olympics such a good idea? Never mind that the FIFA World Cup nearly bankrupted the country, they're now putting on a show that they can't afford. They have rampant poverty in Rio, pollution issues, body parts washing up on beaches and even Zika yet here we are about to have another meaningless Olympic games in a country that won't easily recover from it.

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    1. Re:The Olympic Dream by johanw · · Score: 1

      > Given all of Brazil's problems, was hosting the Olympics such a good idea?

      Of course not, it wastes a lot of money that they arenever going to get back. In democratic countries in Europe where they asked the population they always said "NO" to politicians trying to get their moment of fame when organizing a big sporting event with someone else's money.

    2. Re:The Olympic Dream by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      was hosting the Olympics such a good idea?

      It depends on the size of the bribe. If the bribe was large enough, it was a great idea for the bribed ones. Otherwise, they are just imbeciles.

      How many cash, Brazilian whores and coke would have been needed to convince you to happily have exactly the same idea? Do you think you're more expensive to corrupt than the actual decision makers? I doubt it.

    3. Re:The Olympic Dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet how else would they develop? Would the anti-tax people be able to build up the infrastructure? No. It takes money circulating throughout the economy and getting extra money from tourists injected into the economy to improve. If Rio didn't host the Olympics, the poor would be just as poor, and the water quality wouldn't have improved. The new subway line wouldn't have been built, and other improvements to the city wouldn't have happened. If it wasn't for the Zika virus and crime, tourist levels would have gone up quite a bit.

      I am surprised that they didn't figure out how to clean up the water in the 8 years they had though.

    4. Re:The Olympic Dream by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      And Zika is the really sad thing. Just look at Florida right now. We have essentially one neighborhood with a Zika outbreak. Why is that? Well lets see the mosquito that carries it has a pretty limited range and the path the infection spreads by is really mosquito -> person -> mosquito -> person ... So we can basically assume that since all the rest of Miami isn't a Zika hotzone it did not get there thru natural geographic expansion. Zika is here because someone went somewhere got infected than got on a plane!

      Basically its the State Department and CDC's fault for every Zika related complication that happens. Every baby with microcephaly born here because of Zika is on their heads! We should banned travel to South America and close the boarder to anyone with a recent SA passport stamp the moment the outbreak began! Instead we are going to send thousands of people to the Olympics and let them come back to spread the infection all over the USA!

      One could ask why we started letting people with other deadly infectious disease like HIV come into the country as well. Its not like increasing the number of infected individuals present isnt going to result in more newly infected Americas. What happened to promoting the general welfare? Is it to much to ask the government to do its core jobs outlined in the preamble? Oh right they are to busy makeing sure everyone bakes cakes for sodomites.

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    5. Re:The Olympic Dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are dumb? Oh, sure the population is _now_ against, but I still remember the people celebrating in the streets when they were awarded the 2016 Olympics or the World Cup.

      Bunch of hypocrite dumb cunts... as soon as they saw some money flowing into their economy they though they were rich, forget about all the social problems they had... what hangers me the most is that they'll still wont learn the lesson, they'll blame the politicians (newsflash: they were put in power by you!) or any other thing they can come up with, and the next time they see some money flowing in they will do the exact same shit even thou they still are a third world country with a slightly better economy...

    6. Re:The Olympic Dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Zika is the really sad thing. Just look at Florida right now. We have essentially one neighborhood with a Zika outbreak. Why is that? Well lets see the mosquito that carries it has a pretty limited range and the path the infection spreads by is really mosquito -> person -> mosquito -> person ... So we can basically assume that since all the rest of Miami isn't a Zika hotzone it did not get there thru natural geographic expansion. Zika is here because someone went somewhere got infected than got on a plane!

      Oh yeah. Because Florida is not tropical and hot as hell; the perfect place for Aedes. Did you know that Rio sports a cooler climate than MIami, just because temperatures in the southern hemisphere are cooler all over the place for corresponding latitudes? Stop blaming the world and come to terms about the third-worldization of the US.

    7. Re:The Olympic Dream by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      None of those things change the fact that Zika would otherwise have only been able to spread to geographically adjacent places, which is not to say it would not have worked its way up thru Mexico and across the gulf states eventually but it could not have appeared spontaneously in Miami, unless it was brought there by infected people traveling.

      Its here NOW and will be spread all over the Aedes range because we don't have the sense to restrict travel. We should have done so until either, 1) an effective vaccine could be developed and widely distributed. 2) it go here anyway by spreading naturally.

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    8. Re:The Olympic Dream by dafradu · · Score: 1

      Why don't you first ban everyone in the USA from going to Brazil. You are like the 2nd or 3rd most common tourist there...

      I can't stop thinking this kind of people work for Donald Trump campaign :D

    9. Re:The Olympic Dream by dafradu · · Score: 1

      You want to stop all global travel and trade? Thats the only way to stop diseases from spreading.

      Blocking tourism wouldn't be effective, trade vessels were the first means of transporting diseases and they still are a risk today.

    10. Re:The Olympic Dream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to personal responsibility where you don't do things that'll massively increase your chances of infection, but if you still do then you also limit your exposure to others? It's not the CDC's fault self-absorbed idiots are self-absorbed idiots. Most people will gladly run home to their families if people around them are dying of some sickness. Most people are self-absorbed idiots, more controlled by their emotions than their brain. If you're going to blame the government for that and want them to fix it, then you support drugging the entire human population into compliance.

    11. Re:The Olympic Dream by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Cutting your country off from any trade with an entire continent, and thus destroying your economy and reducing many of your people to poverty, is not promoting the general welfare. Not for Zika. Maybe for a zombie outbreak.

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  16. Make the IOC members pre-swim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The IOC committee members who selected Rio for the Olympics should be require to pre-swim the open water race courses. Also I expect all IOC committee members to give up their hotel suits to athletes whose residence rooms are not ready. Because the games are about the athletes, right?

  17. Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    left and right when going into their own waters? Do people die after swimming at the Ipanema or Copacabana? No? Why would Olympic athletes get sick then? Nobody argues that the waters are pristine, but all of this is just another attempt at whipping up anger and dislike at Brazil and South American countries in general.

    1. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by johanw · · Score: 1

      Not every athlete grew up in a septic tank like the Americans and some Europeans. Some do have a fully trained immune system.

    2. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's there to like about South American countries? Nature? Countries didn't invent or build nature.
      Peace and prosperity? Sure, there would be peace and prosperity when a drug cartel finally wiped all others out and became the sole benevolent power.
      Hygiene? What's that in South America?

    3. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

      Septic Tank? Do you know what that word means?

    4. Re: Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you are a physician who comprehends how virus work!

      Why did those stupid Native American Indians die in the millions from European diseases? Did they just want to insult the English explorers?

      Fuck off, Brashill.

    5. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming he has confused it with Kolto tanks, assuming everyone in America and the EU were in fact raised in one after being genetically engineered and cloned in vitro from stem cells. Not realizing that Star Wars is actually at least as much fiction as fact.

    6. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Let me make a wild guess, English is not your first language.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    7. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting anonymously to not undo previous moderation

      left and right when going into their own waters? Do people die after swimming at the Ipanema or Copacabana? No? Why would Olympic athletes get sick then? Nobody argues that the waters are pristine, but all of this is just another attempt at whipping up anger and dislike at Brazil and South American countries in general.

      Brazilians grow up there. They get sick once or twice and those that survive develop immunity against local bugs and viruses. I grew up eating watermelon snow so it doesn't affect me, but outsiders may feel sick a day afterwards.

    8. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot.

    9. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1
    10. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "Not every athlete grew up in a septic tank like the Americans and some Europeans."
      Does not fit with using rhyming slang for an american does it?

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    11. Re:Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millions of tourists visit Brazilian beaches every year without getting sick. They did so in 2015, in 2014, and for decades before. Do you really believe anything has changed because of the scary headlines in the papers the recent months? It is very clear who the idiot is :---)

    12. Re: Do Brazilians get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me about all the millions of beach tourists that have visited Brazilian beaches for decades have died and spread disease in the home countries when returning. Oh right, there are none. There were none in 2014, none in 2015, and none in the months before the papers started spewing this blown-up crap in the news. Start thinking a bit.

      And "Brashill"? Wow, you're so deluded that you now think anyone applying some criticism and contradiction to the news is a "shill". Congratulations, you've been successfully brainwashed and scared shitless of the whole world from watching TV too much.

  18. Re:Strong Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I totally agree. Government is (supposed to) be for people, just like corporations are supposed to be for people. There has to be a balance, no extreme will work. Not that i'm saying there is a correct balance now, especially when it comes to corporations, anywhere in the world. Soon TTIP and CETA and bullshit like that will tip the scale lot further towards the extreme.

  19. Sports is a business by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Lots of things can result in substantial economic benefit if you play your cards rights, that doesn't mean overlooking the risk of contracting and passing on a particularly nasty disease, especially when the best-case scenario is one where the individual get's all the reward and society gets nothing.

    Society gets nothing? You mean except for someone with an income, who can buy things, pay taxes, provide for a family, generate economic value and be a productive member of society, right? You mean except for the fact that sports entertainment is a multi-billion dollar business that provides a substantial living for literally millions of people around the world, right? Get a clue. Just because it isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it doesn't have value. If an adult wants to take some risks to win an Olympic gold medal, that's their decision and they get to live with the consequences. It doesn't hurt you in the least so I'm not sure why you are bent out of shape over it.

    This is a particularly selfish course of action.

    As if you have a job solely to benefit others. Spare me. Big time sports are a business. People pay to see them play because they get value from doing so. It's part of the entertainment industry and whether you like it or not, it's a real business with real economic benefit to society.

    1. Re:Sports is a business by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If an adult wants to take some risks to win an Olympic gold medal, that's their decision and they get to live with the consequences. It doesn't hurt you in the least so I'm not sure why you are bent out of shape over it.

      I don't usually mind that adults go out and play games; this instance is a little different though - they are risking an infectious disease. Their "Me Me Me!" attitude actually carries with it harm that I cannot avoid. I'm all for a mandatory quarantine for everyone going to infectious areas, but that isn't what is being proposed, is it?

      And spare me the entertainment argument - sure it's entertainment, but that doesn't mean I have to consider it any more important than other entertainment like keeping up with the Kardashians.

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    2. Re: Sports is a business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother debating with them. They think they're a progressive socialist, but are really just a fucking moron.

    3. Re:Sports is a business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should look at the winners and losers:

      Winners:
      Athletes: Just by competing, one has their foot in the door. A medal can set someone with basically a guaranteed income for life.
      The IOC, obviously.

      Losers:
      The Olympic hosting cities. Oftentimes building the area for the Olympics will break the back of a country or region, plunging them into deep debt for years to come. After the wheelchairs roll off for the last time with the paralympics, the buildings likely will wind up ruins.
      The people in the cities hosting the Olympics, who have to pay in some form or another.

    4. Re:Sports is a business by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

      Except the only way the IOC will be fixed is if many athletes decline to participate this year and the IOC gets a GIANT black mark because they did not deem it necessary to relocate the games. An even bigger black mark would happen if say a gates, buffet, ellison or some other super rich guy said hey lets do an alternate olympics in greece this year at the old venue and have all the athletes go there instead. I know it is not going to happen because the athletes are bound to go to the olympics in 99% of the cases. The golfers have given a big FU but they did not need the money. A number of other athletes who also are not in need of the bucks have also said they are not going. But yes as you say the sports where the olympics are the keys to the dollars they are going because they basically have to or risk throwing away a lifetime of hard work. I don't watch the olympics anymore because of the way it is run.

    5. Re: Sports is a business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About reality TV, it really depends on show as to whether it's real or not. A lot of what you see isn't real, but some shows are pretty real.

      The most successful of the reality TV shows in the US is Survivor. Obviously it's edited so that, when possible, they leave uncertainty as to who is getting voted out. Production can occasionally hint players as to things that are going on in their tribe through questions in the interview sessions. Occasionally, they've done things like helping a player start a fire, but I haven't heard of this being particularly common. The lack of food and resources is real. The competitions are real, though some of the aerial shots you see are reenacted by the people who test the challenges. As for the Amazing Race, that's quite real, though editing is often done to leave uncertainty for the viewer about who will finish last on a leg of the race. There are more allegations of production providing hints or even information to people on Big Brother, though that's highly disputed. They can change the order of competitions or alter the actual competitions to influence the outcome, and this has been alleged. Otherwise, it's quite real, as the players and the people who watch the live feeds can attest to. The level of production interference is pretty low on these shows, but can be much higher on other reality TV shows. I've generally thought that the reality TV on cable tends to be more staged, and sometimes that's quite obvious.

      As for sports, don't expect to get insightful discussion here on Slashdot. Most of the people here seem to think they have no value and would prefer they not exist. It's a short-sighted view, but unfortunately the prevailing one here. I'll add that sometimes the outcome of the games can have an impact on an entire country. The Miracle on Ice is the best example of this. It's also a truly remarkable upset considering the Soviets demolished the USA at Madison Square Garden on the eve of the Olympics and the USA had a team of amateurs against the Soviet professionals. Beating the Soviets in anything at the Olympics was a big deal, but nothing was bigger than that game. Even without all of the back story to the game, it was a damn good hockey game in its own right.

    6. Re:Sports is a business by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Society gets nothing? You mean except for someone with an income, who can buy things, pay taxes, provide for a family, generate economic value and be a productive member of society, right?

      As if you have a job solely to benefit others. Spare me. Big time sports are a business. People pay to see them play because they get value from doing so. It's part of the entertainment industry and whether you like it or not, it's a real business with real economic benefit to society.

      If the swimmer wants to take that gamble, fine, but if the swimmer comes down with any diseases, I don't think their insurance company or the state should have any obligation to pay for it. This is no different than jumping out of an airplane: if you get hurt, you can pay all the bills yourself (insurance does not cover injury claims due to skydiving).

      Society should have no obligation to help you when you've placed yourself willingly in mortal danger like this. If sports is such a big business, let those big businesses pay for these athletes' health problems.

      This is just another case of privatized profits and socialized losses.

    7. Re: Sports is a business by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Don't bother debating with them. They think they're a progressive socialist, but are really just a fucking moron.

      As someone who's quite the opposite of a progressive socialist, I'll say you're being a moron if you're not considering the possibility that these people will help spread those diseases.

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    8. Re:Sports is a business by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      The fact is that the IOC could EASILY have relocated the venues.

      What exactly would you suggest? These things are quite literally years in the planning.

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    9. Re:Sports is a business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but to me that sounds even more like "Hunger Games".

      You mean except for the bits about killing people or the fact that it's quite voluntary, right? Spare me the silly comparisons. There are things you can rightfully criticize about high level sports but comparing them to the Hunger Games is just idiotic. If you want to make serious criticisms I'll be happy to provide you a long list of problems to work on. Plenty to choose from I assure you.

      Hungry for POWER games ;)

    10. Re: Sports is a business by jofas · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true armchair referee. The athletes bear no blame, since they'd be competing whether the water were filthy or not. If you insist on feeling at risk from these athletes competing in insanitary conditions, I suggest you direct your misplaced indignation at the Brazilian governing bodies whose responsibility it ACTUALLY IS to maintain public health!

      Furthermore, you should be ashamed at your own actions, simultaneously calling the athletes selfish and doing so from an apparent safe geographic and vocational distance.

      You've made it abundantly clear that you have no interest in sports in general, let alone have any understanding of the commitments made by anyone even qualifying for the Olympics.

      Go back to 4chan.

  20. Olympics is the pinnacle for many sports by sjbe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Olympics are kind of a showcase for random sports, as well as an opportunity to represent your country (whatever that means), but I bet it is not considered the end-all event in most sports.

    Depends on the sport. In my sport (wrestling) the Olympics is considered the pinnacle of the sport for better or worse. That's true for quite a few other sports. Gymnastics, swimming, track & field, figure skating, etc all have the Olympics as THE premiere event. I'm not entirely convinced this is good for those particular sports but that's the way it is right now. Some sports like road cycling, tennis, and several others the Olympics is a respected event but not the end-all-be-all of the sport. For example in cycling the premiere event is the Tour de France. In tennis it is probably Wimbledon.

    Most sports that are in the Olympics have the Olympics as the top event on their calendar. Otherwise there wouldn't be much point to the Olympics really.

    1. Re:Olympics is the pinnacle for many sports by BostonPilot · · Score: 1

      Does the IOC force athletes to sign any kind of waiver? Just curious whether IOC is liable when an athlete gets sick from having to compete in water that a reasonable person would realize is not safe?

    2. Re:Olympics is the pinnacle for many sports by stair69 · · Score: 1

      Surely for wrestling there are much more important events such as Wrestlemaina and the Summer Slam? :-)

  21. Opportunity cost by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the odds and the competition, that's an incredibly short-sighted gamble. To devote years to something that unlikely when there are MANY better ways to provide. It's all about ego. "Look at me".

    Just because something is a long shot doesn't make it unworthy of pursuing. Very few Olympic athletes put all their eggs in the pro-athlete basket. Most who pursue Olympic dreams have backup plans independent of sport. In my sport (wrestling) virtually all the athletes who compete in the games are either college graduates or are currently in college. They pursue their Olympic ambition but most have jobs and go on to perfectly normal careers. You only have a few years to be a top level athlete in most cases so the opportunity cost to chasing the Olympics is relatively small in most cases in the long run.

    All about ego? No it is not. I won't deny that ego is a part of it but that is far too glib an evaluation of what is really going on. It's about fun. It's about money. It's about opportunity. It's about goal setting and achievement. It's about a lot of things well beyond ego. And frankly there is nothing wrong with trying to prove you are the best in the world at something. If you are good enough to qualify for the Olympic games that proves you are remarkably talented at something. No different than an engineer building something amazing or an artist creating a fantastic work of art.

    1. Re:Opportunity cost by whoozwah · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's about fun. It's about money. It's about opportunity. It's about goal setting and achievement. It's about a lot of things well beyond ego.

      Not really. All those things are driven entirely by ego. The only act that isn't completely driven by ego is an act of absolute selflessness. Trust when I say that everyone involved in the olympics from the IOC, the spectators, sponsors, film crews, setup and teardown crews, athletes etc have a personal agenda. It really is just ego.

    2. Re:Opportunity cost by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      +1 for " It's about goal setting and achievement. It's about a lot of things well beyond ego. And frankly there is nothing wrong with trying to prove you are the best in the world at something."

      wish I had mod points.

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    3. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... No different than an engineer building something amazing or an artist creating a fantastic work of art.

      What kind of fucking engineer or artist are you? Bullshit engineering? Arts of bullshit major? I am ok with current olympics as long as all the assholes that get there, stay in quarantine for 6 months or so before coming back to the country of origin. Olympics is only supposed to financially devastate country that hosted it, not drag Gram-positive bacteria across an entire planet.

      Olympics is not art. It is a global permission to treat humans as livestock and is a cesspool of corruption. You could argue that sports are art. I argue that currently olympics is an abomination.

  22. Benefits are personal by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Can you name one open water swimmer who won a medal in any prior Olympics?

    Since I don't follow that particular sport, no. But aside from Michael Phelps I couldn't tell you the name of any swimmer in the pool either because I don't follow that sport either. However in my favorite sport (freestyle wrestling) I could tell you every member of the last several teams, where they went to college, who they beat to make the team, and a lot more with enough detail to make me sound like a stalker.

    I would say your long-term health isn't worth the financial benefits that the Rio open water sports provides you

    That's for them to decide for themselves. I don't judge. If I was in those sports I'd have to think hard about it that's just me. They are adults and can choose what matters to them. It's kind of like those who use performance enhancing drugs. I wouldn't do it myself for both health and ethical reasons but I understand why some do even if I don't approve. It see it as no different than someone who works a tough dirty job for little pay. Sometimes the benefits are very personal.

    1. Re:Benefits are personal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However in my favorite sport (freestyle wrestling) I could tell you every member of the last several teams

      Those are easy! Hulk Hogan, Jessie Ventura, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Andre the Giant...

  23. My Doctor will have a Cow. by Dust038 · · Score: 1

    "but antibiotics combat bacterial infections, not viruses" - Independent. Its not everyday someone recognizes this in a public news article. A+ Independent.

  24. "swimmers and athletes" by fedos · · Score: 1

    So are swimmers not athletes now?

    1. Re:"swimmers and athletes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are swimmers not athletes now?

      Before or after the event?

  25. Re:Let's hope so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the athletes i know are scrubbing toilets in movie theaters and such. I make sure that they always have extra work so that they are putting those muscles to use so their pay is properly earned. Like taking a jar of honey with me and smothering the toilet seats, toilet paper, and ceiling with it.

  26. Sports is a business by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Point taken. But really, in this regard how does competing at the Olympics differ from a stint on any of several reality TV shows? And arguably the TV shows might be safer.

    Sports is a business of entertainment. To get money from sports it has to be able to draw a crowd. There are however some pretty substantial differences between sports and reality TV. 1) Reality TV isn't real whereas sports (usually) is. 2) Sports demonstrably has a lot of benefits for those who participate even if you ignore the financial. I defy you to say the same about Reality TV. 3) Sports still exists even if there is no camera recording the event. Most of the competitions were never recorded and certainly never broadcast. Reality TV doesn't exist without a broadcast.

    I'm not saying this to be flippant, nor to minimize the dedication and hard work and sacrifices of athletes who compete at the highest levels. But seriously, when do we stop giving in to corporate greed and corruption?

    Cut off the money and the greed and corruption will go away. Sports business is no different from any other business, be it technology, manufacturing or retail. If you bring money into the picture, you can be sure greed and corruption will follow. The best you can hope for is to keep it contained.

    I don't know about you, but to me that sounds even more like "Hunger Games".

    You mean except for the bits about killing people or the fact that it's quite voluntary, right? Spare me the silly comparisons. There are things you can rightfully criticize about high level sports but comparing them to the Hunger Games is just idiotic. If you want to make serious criticisms I'll be happy to provide you a long list of problems to work on. Plenty to choose from I assure you.

    If I was any kind of a swimmer, then yes, I probably would. The more important question is, "with all of humanity's productive power and technological advancements, why is it still necessary for anyone to swim through a river of shit in order drag their families out of poverty?" Never mind doing so for a chance at a 'job interview'.

    Now you are on to the right question. The fact is that the IOC could EASILY have relocated the venues. The fact that they didn't speaks to the corruption within that organization. The IOC professes to care about the well being of the athletes but their actions often seem to indicate otherwise. What they really care about is the money train for the people within the IOC. This isn't surprising but I'm a little surprised they care so little for their brand that they are willing to endure all this bad press over what really was an avoidable problem.

  27. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Insightful comment - I can throw in another name being the WHO (who refused to name Zika a danger to the Olympics as well). Those are the experts that are supposed to protect the athletes, as everyone would agree that they would not hesitate one second to accept the supposed risk of the health situation in that country. In that case, the experts are supposed to come in and take the decision. They didn't, and it is a shame that we can all see the scandal coming and no-one cared enough. I feel for the athletes.

  28. Re:Let's hope so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *tips fedora*

  29. That is just sensationalistic crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article does not hold to its very own arguments...

    If the waters were so harmfull how do you explain the 10 million people that lives in that region without getting sick. Thousands of people takes baths on Rio waters and beaches every day, including hundreds of foreign tourists, and get to live to return another day.

    The Olympic Games maybe should not take place in Rio, for many good reasons, but this "three spoons of harmfull deadly virus" sounds just plain stupid whatsoever.

  30. I personally know... by ZecretZquirrel · · Score: 2

    ...several Escherichia Coli bacteria, so I know what I'm talking about. They are really warm, gut-loving creatures. The nicest organisms you'd ever want to meet. I've also known several wrestlers, and they were all sociopathic shits.

  31. Ego by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Not really. All those things are driven entirely by ego.

    Providing for your family is about ego? Because an Olympic medal can facilitate that. Getting opportunities for your future is about ego? Yeah not so much. You seem to not understand the meaning of the word. In reality the only thing in sports that is about ego is the desire to prove oneself in competition. To step foot on the playing field you have to have a robust ego but that's actually a positive thing in that circumstance.

    The only act that isn't completely driven by ego is an act of absolute selflessness.

    Confirmed. You don't understand what the word means.

    Trust when I say that everyone involved in the olympics from the IOC, the spectators, sponsors, film crews, setup and teardown crews, athletes etc have a personal agenda.

    Everything in human existence has a personal agenda if you want to go that way. That's not a bad thing. What's wrong with spectators wanting to be entertained or crews wanting to make a paycheck or Olympians wanting to win a gold medal? Nothing bad about any of those things. I am among other things an engineer in part (though not entirely) because I enjoy being an engineer and I believe I'm halfway decent at it. If someone happens to be truly excellent at rowing or swimming or badminton, why shouldn't they pursue that if it suits them to do so?

    1. Re:Ego by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Most Olympians aren't poor people looking to provide for their families. Give me a break. They are athletes with access to training and an organized support system. They aren't making money off of it either. Most would be better off working at McDonalds if it was to provide for their families. What a joke. They do it for the individual glory. That is fine, but don't pretend otherwise. Also, what is wrong with the Olympics is that public money is used to provide the facilities. Brazil is being sucked dry by it and they can't afford it, most of all the people who are looking to provide for their families. Step out of your white suburban bubble.

    2. Re:Ego by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Olympians aren't poor people looking to provide for their families. Give me a break. They are athletes with access to training and an organized support system. They aren't making money off of it either. Most would be better off working at McDonalds if it was to provide for their families. What a joke. They do it for the individual glory. That is fine, but don't pretend otherwise. Also, what is wrong with the Olympics is that public money is used to provide the facilities. Brazil is being sucked dry by it and they can't afford it, most of all the people who are looking to provide for their families. Step out of your white suburban bubble.

      How about this:
      http://www.chinapost.com.tw/ta...
      China gave out $1M to medal winners.
      By "most athletes, " do you mean "most U.S. athletes", "most western athletes", "most third-world athletes", or "most athletes worldwide"?

    3. Re:Ego by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Olympians aren't poor people looking to provide for their families. Give me a break. They are athletes with access to training and an organized support system. They aren't making money off of it either. Most would be better off working at McDonalds if it was to provide for their families. What a joke. They do it for the individual glory. That is fine, but don't pretend otherwise. Also, what is wrong with the Olympics is that public money is used to provide the facilities. Brazil is being sucked dry by it and they can't afford it, most of all the people who are looking to provide for their families. Step out of your white suburban bubble.

      Exactly, anyone who is competing in the Olympics left poverty behind a long time ago, if they ever were poor to begin with.

  32. New Olympic logo by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:New Olympic logo by iONiUM · · Score: 2

      If you're going to steal from reddit, at list link the source.

    2. Re:New Olympic logo by nazrhyn · · Score: 1

      That's classy. (Also, canceling moderation misclick. My apologies.)

    3. Re:New Olympic logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hover over that image and see where it is hosted. Imgur was created to host images for use on reddit. The image was posted on the parent's URL, then reposted to your "source".

      Chill your arrogance and realize it's ignorance.

    4. Re:New Olympic logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck reddit, and fuck you.

    5. Re:New Olympic logo by iONiUM · · Score: 1

      Did you read my source? The guy made it, and posted it on imgur to host it. You're a fucking idiot.

  33. Re:Strong Government by moeinvt · · Score: 1

    Viruses and bacteria in the water in 3rd world countries is a problem with weak government? There are strong governments all over the world which have nasty air and water. China's government is very powerful, yet their water and air are totally filthy.
    People seem to defer to government because using violence and the threat of violence is an expedient "solution" to a problem, but rarely is it a good solution. There's also no guarantee that government power, once granted, won't be used for evil.

    If libertarians had their way, their wouldn't BE any "drug lords" except the CEOs of Merck & Pfizer and the owners of your local weed farm.

    Mass surveillance and the police state are signs of excessive government power, true ... so are the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the massive bailouts of the banking cartel, the war on drugs, the war on terror, Dept of Education, DHS, DEA, ATF, NSA, Dept. of HUD, gigantic military budgets, a global network of 700 military bases in 100 different foreign countries, billions of dollars in annual foreign aid, corporate subsidies, Medicare, Medicaid, guaranteed student loans, a federal work force larger than the total number of people in manufacturing, the biggest prison population in the world and rampant corruption and cronyism at all levels.

  34. Re:Let's hope so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never been tormented by athlets. I simply know why people do things.

  35. Rio Is A Shithole, doesn't care if people get sick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rio Is A Shithole, they havent lived up to any if their promises and they will be putting millions of people at risk. Horrible.

  36. Waivers of liability by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Does the IOC force athletes to sign any kind of waiver?

    I don't know for certain but I would be very surprised if they didn't have some sort of waiver of liability. That sort of thing is pretty standard on every sporting event I've ever entered. I can't imagine the Olympics would be any different. There probably is a similar waiver for the national governing bodies as well. High level athletics involves a shocking number of lawyers believe it or not.

    Just curious whether IOC is liable when an athlete gets sick from having to compete in water that a reasonable person would realize is not safe?

    Problem is that the athlete always has the option to withdraw. It might be different if the IOC represented the water as clean when it wasn't but there seems to be little doubt in this case. You can't sign a waiver to permit a fraud but that's not in play here. So it's sort of a case of swim at your own risk. What astonishes me is that the IOC is willing to ignore all this negative press for something that could pretty easily have been avoided merely by doing a venue change. There has to be some clean water somewhere in Brazil.

    1. Re: Waivers of liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There has to be some clean water somewhere in Brazil."

      Lol there is, probably out in the ocean about halfway to Africa.

    2. Re:Waivers of liability by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      Just a quick note: I'm pretty sure that having the Olympics as THE premier event in your sport is, as of now, definitely harmful. It being harmful in the past is up for debate, but...

      Does the IOC force athletes to sign any kind of waiver?

      I don't know for certain but I would be very surprised if they didn't have some sort of waiver of liability. That sort of thing is pretty standard on every sporting event I've ever entered. I can't imagine the Olympics would be any different. There probably is a similar waiver for the national governing bodies as well. High level athletics involves a shocking number of lawyers believe it or not.

      IANAL, but I'm aware that under certain circumstances--such as you basically being pressured into signing the waiver of liability, and not really free to walk away--waivers of liability are very interesting wastes of paper as far as the court is concerned. They can also be challenged, with success, on the grounds that this is not in fact a liability that can be waivered--basically, that Alice can't sign a paper saying Bob isn't responsible for something because the law itself says that Bob is responsible.

      Just curious whether IOC is liable when an athlete gets sick from having to compete in water that a reasonable person would realize is not safe?

      Problem is that the athlete always has the option to withdraw. It might be different if the IOC represented the water as clean when it wasn't but there seems to be little doubt in this case. You can't sign a waiver to permit a fraud but that's not in play here. So it's sort of a case of swim at your own risk. What astonishes me is that the IOC is willing to ignore all this negative press for something that could pretty easily have been avoided merely by doing a venue change. There has to be some clean water somewhere in Brazil.

      From what I hear, the overlap between 'places with clean water in Brazil' and 'places capable and willing to hold the Olympics' has little if any overlap.

      However, the IOC's behavior re: Rio is probably the best argument on why it needs to be just a 'respected event' instead of 'THE premier event' for any sport--if the IOC is going to just do nothing about the rather valid health and safety concerns people have? Then it is essential that all athletes have an alternate competition.

      Something I've not seen mentioned yet, but am quite aware of is that some sports have very narrow windows where people can manage to perform at the levels required for the Olympics--you're more likely to have to retire from competition than manage to qualify for the next summer or winter Olympics in four years.

  37. News Flash by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Third world country has third world water quality. Film at 11.

    Hell, many first world countries have trouble with water quality, the US included. What would be surprising -- shocking, really -- is if Rio had pristine water with all of the slums and the lack of sanitation.

  38. I'll invite Slashdot to catastRIOphe2016!! by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    There are approximately 10500 athletes expected to participate in the 2016 Rio games.

    What is the number of athletes you expect to be sickened, injured, or killed during the event?

    Notes: the "sickness" window extends to sicknesses identified up to 90d after the Olympics.
    These must be exceptional injuries: pulling a hamstring running a race would NOT count. Pulling a hamstring fleeing a collapsing stadium WOULD count. Kidnapping, while not necessarily technically an injury, would count. It doesn't have to be at an Olympic venue: athletes killed when a shoddily built hotel collapses would count, as would a scenic light rail line tour plunging into the sea. Rough sex in the Olympic village would NOT count, but gang rape by street thugs would count.

    Currently we have a number of values - closest to the final tally wins bragging rights.

    We have guesses in the pool* ranging from 300-5000. (5000 was specifically chosen with the pessimistic fear of large-scale terror attack, and/or a combination of factors: the officials in the olympics downplaying diseases and infections and the inability of Olympians to keep from frucking like rabbits, and/or the likelihood that the condoms provided will be as faulty and dangerous as the venues built in the last 6 weeks).
    *currently not virus infested, so the safest pool related to CatastRIOphe2016

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  39. Swim for your lives. by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

    That's one incentive to break a world record.

  40. Re: Let's hope so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice fantasy. Bet you wish it was true. The cold hard fact is that athletes usually breeze through college out of sheer focus and motivation while nerds struggle due to attention deficit and social awkwardness. Athletes graduate and lead successful lives, it's the nerdy types who end up at low-wage jobs ("but it's only temporary until I have my big break, just wait and see!", yeah right) and are stuck there. No life, no future. I wish I could be sorry fof them but I just can't identify with them.

  41. It's a shame by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

    I've been to Brazil multiple times. There are plenty of beautiful locations and the people are fantastic. Rio is the face of Brazil, but other than the famous beaches and Christo and Sugar Loaf mountain, it's a nasty city.

    I feel bad for the people because most of the developed world is now making fun of their country. They do have plenty of issues and maybe some will improve with the visibility. Politicians made promises they couldn't keep (go figure) and the corrupt IOC took enough bribes to make it worth their while. Now the citizens, athletes, and fans will suffer.

    I think Brazil could have done a wonderful job had it not been Rio and if they could utilize many of their existing structures for events. It might be better for everyone if future games are held in a country, not just a key city.

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  42. Can't they make their tea by rossdee · · Score: 1

    using bottled water

  43. Sanctioning doping through moral hazard by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The remaining events they're in aren't as readily impacted by long-term doping, only short-term doping and other exploits (such as hyper-oxygenated blood for cycling) which all of their athletes are being invasively triple-checked for at this point.

    Sadly not true at all. Russian wrestling has the largest number of positive doping results for Russian athletes after athletics and weightlifting. I've been in that sport for 35 years and I can assure you that both long and short term doping would help a lot in wrestling. Same with swimming, gymnastics, and a variety of other sports. What people don't realize about doping is that the most useful thing about it is that it reduces recovery time. It allows you to train more and at a higher intensity. This can make a huge difference even in skill based sports like wrestling.

    Furthermore you can check all you want but it isn't hard to pass a drug test. Lance Armstrong was tested hundreds of times over years and never tested positive. With the aid of a doctor it's almost trivial to avoid testing positive even if someone is using something that the tests can detect. Which often isn't the case.

    So yeah, Russian got a big bucket of banhammer to the noggin' this year, and I expect several more of their athletes to get stuck by the at-games testing and DQ'ed.

    Not big enough. The Russians engaged in state sponsored doping. The ONLY response to that that has any meaning is to ban the country that engages in it. All of them. The government of Russia and their sports ministry engaged in systematic corruption of sport. You cannot remedy that by banning individual athletes. By the IOC being unwilling to make the tough decision they have effectively sanctioned state sponsored doping. Every country can look at Russia now and rightly think "there is no punishment for state sponsored doping programs". If an athlete tests positive they just throw that athlete under the bus and send the next one out there. Economists call this moral hazard and that is exactly what is happening here.

    1. Re:Sanctioning doping through moral hazard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but you see, the report that was used to justify the bans (the universal ban has NOT been applied) turns out to be a political hot potato.
      http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/03/the-biased-report-that-led-to-banning-russian-athletes/
      "The Mclaren report and WADA decisions have been excessively influenced by sensational and exaggerated media reports."
      "There is significant evidence that the assertion that doping in Russia is “state sponsored” is substantially false, no matter how many times it’s repeated."

      Let me do that for you again, one time, to make sure you understand:

      "There is significant evidence that the assertion that doping in Russia is “state sponsored” is substantially false, no matter how many times it’s repeated."

      Don't believe the hype - it's just a sequel to the previous "Olympic scandal".

      ALL countries have athletes that engage in doping, it is easy to cheat the tests, and its not going to stop because of a falsified last-minute BLAME-THE-RUSSIANS scaremongering tactic. Doesn't anyone remember FloJo? Did the whole American team get kicked out?
      No? Well, color me surprised ...

  44. Re: Strong Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, being corrupt and incompetent is one of the hallmarks of a weak government, not a strong one.

    Regardless, what was said was correct - Brazil is a country with a very weak government, and every country that has one has the same problems. This is why libertarianism is fantasy.

  45. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get two large tankers filled with chlorine and dump all of it 10 minutes before the races.

  46. Hapy Hunger Games by ghee22 · · Score: 1

    And may the water splashing be ever in your favor.

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  47. Antibiotics? by nowsharing · · Score: 1

    I'm not so sure that an extinguished gut microbiome is going to help their immune systems fight viruses.

    Microbiota regulates immune defense against respiratory tract influenza A virus infection
    http://www.pnas.org/content/108/13/5354.short

  48. Brazil by dan_waggoner · · Score: 1

    Don't ever change

  49. so.... by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    it's actually irresponsible to have the Olympic swimmers in the water... Why do they even continue with the matches?

  50. Re:athletes and tourists are at risk of getting il by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're an idiot. Tourists from all over the world have been travelling in and out of Brazil for over a hundred years, but you believe the fear-mongering in the papers, and honestly believe that suddenly NOW, in 2016 just before the Olympics, Brazil and all its beaches are a global health pandemic waiting to break out and kill the whole world?

    Step back from the TV, close your eyes, cover your ears, take a deep breath, and start using your head for once.

  51. Re:athletes and tourists are at risk of getting il by dafradu · · Score: 1

    It is not like there is no tourism and business travelers already all year long... The olympic games will not have any significant impact in the distribution of any disease...

    News flash to some idiot creatures from the "developed world" lurking the internet. Most of this tropical diseases are mosquito-borne (Malaria, Dengue fever...) and mosquitos hate cold weather. So unless we don't put a hold on global warming you will never, and had never before, had this mosquitos in your country...

  52. As someone who just got over dientamoeba infection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Good luck, athletes! Bubbly, frothy futures for all of you!

    Like a goddamned latte. Straight from the anus.

    Thanks, India.

  53. IOC needs an oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am shock IOC even allow this. They put the face of 1 country ahead of athletes health.
    1. The competition missed out some of the best athletes of these field.
    2. All the athlete would be drugged up and wearing uniform that may not be best for that sport.

    It's sad they didn't even consider to host these specific competition at another location, another country, modify the competition, or cancel certain sport event.

  54. Russian Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Russian swimming team is loading up on "antibacterial" and "antiviral" "medications" like crazy right now!

    You can never be too safe right? Have another pill!

  55. Immune System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best way for athletes to prepare for this is to expose themselves to the native viruses and bacteria prior to competing there. This is why many athletes will arrive early and train there.

  56. Re:athletes and tourists are at risk of getting il by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Tourists from all over the world have been travelling in and out of Brazil for over a hundred years, but you believe the fear-mongering in the papers, and honestly believe that suddenly NOW, in 2016 just before the Olympics, Brazil and all its beaches are a global health pandemic waiting to break out and kill the whole world?

    No, that's what you say.

    Step back from the TV, close your eyes, cover your ears, take a deep breath, and start using your head for once.

    Last time I watched TV was over 2 years ago. Instead of reading something into what I wrote, why don't you just try reading what I wrote?

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  57. Re:athletes and tourists are at risk of getting il by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    It is not like there is no tourism and business travelers already all year long...

    In Olympic numbers all at once? FIFA world cup in Brazil 2014 drew 3.5 million people. The London Olympics in 2012 drew 19.5 million people. I am uncertain if there are any other event that draw people to a nation in such numbers that if requires a concerted effort at a government level to make modifications to a cities infrastructure to deal with them all.

    Obviously we don't know what the attendance will be a Rio however I'm sure it will be labeled as 'The best olympics ever'.

    The olympic games will not have any significant impact in the distribution of any disease...

    It's logical that if you are going to have a mass of people in Rio all at once they are all going to come home.

    News flash to some idiot creatures from the "developed world" lurking the internet. Most of this tropical diseases are mosquito-borne (Malaria, Dengue fever...) and mosquitos hate cold weather. So unless we don't put a hold on global warming you will never, and had never before, had this mosquitos in your country...

    No need to have a cow. Whilst I'm sure that the operators will avoid filling their aircraft with mosquitos, I'm certain the people bitten by them with tickets won't have those problems. Perhaps the gestation period of anything contracted will be a factor, I don't know. I have no fixed opinion about what will happen, all I am doing is pointing to something obvious worthy of observation.

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  58. WWE by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Surely for wrestling there are much more important events such as Wrestlemaina and the Summer Slam? :-)

    Only once they've retired from the real sport. See Kurt Angle or Brock Lesnar. They retired to the WWE and the fat paychecks that come with it. Evidently there is a lot of money to be made traveling around the country entertaining credulous rednecks with bad acting and fake fighting.

  59. Messi Neymar Fan Just looked that by Farin+Uk · · Score: 1