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Report: Apple Watch 2 Coming Late 2016 With GPS, Faster Processor and Better Waterproofing (9to5mac.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Apple analyst KGI's Ming-Chi Kuo says the Apple Watch 2 is right around the corner. The analyst says the Watch will arrive in late 2016 and will likely be announced alongside the iPhone 7 in September. It will reportedly feature a GPS, barometer, better waterproofing, as well as a new internal SoC for faster performance. Those looking for a fresh new design may be disappointed as KGI does not expect the physical design of the watch to change at all. The Apple Watch 2 will essentially be an 'iPhone S' update, where it keeps the same physical design with improved internal specifications. In addition to the updated Apple Watch 2, Apple is expected to update the original Apple Watch with a new SoC to improve CPU and GPU performance. The price of the Apple Watch in general should be cut even further than it already has. The original Apple Watch could receive more than a $50 reduction in its pricing, possibly pushing it below the $200 mark. We should know more in early September when Apple unveils the iPhone 7.

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  1. Facetime and health by Camembert · · Score: 2

    It would be interesting if they could add a camera for a facetime on the wrist experience, something that seemed utterly SF not that long ago.
    But the true killer app for this kind of device will be the eventual addition of more health related sensors. Probably not in this release though.

    1. Re: Facetime and health by unami · · Score: 2

      maybe the killer applications will also be external sensors. think: a thermometer, 3d scanner, geiger counter, gas sensors,... @facetime camera: just hold your wrist at face-height for 1-2 minutes. bad idea.

    2. Re: Facetime and health by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Almost all of those sensors are useless.

      Temperature, sure. But is that going to change between the watch and the phone it's tethered to significantly enough for you to care? Likely not. Unless you want to measure something specifically and then you'll need a probe anyway.

      3D scanner? You're going to run your wrist around a 3D object? Then what are you going to do with that data? Oh, yeah, ask the phone to do something with it.

      Geiger counter? Come on. Cheap $20 sensors in every electronics store. Pointless even 20 years ago except in a "Cor, this is above average" kind of way.

      Gas sensors? Much better suited to life-saving equipment designed to life-saving standards... or not at all.

      Facetime camera has exactly the problem you suggest, and was my immediate first "Really?!" thought.

      I struggle to think of anything vaguely useful for a smartwatch while it's still tethered to the phone that's doing all the work anyway, and if you could miniaturise the phone down to the smartwatch size reliably enough, that's a product in itself and has nothing to do with the applications of watches.

      That said, I think I'd still find a watch more inconvenient than a phone. Sure, it's "on you", but it's difficult to have a private conversation without straining your arm, it has to be pulled back from under clothing to look at it for six months a year (my bugbear with watches entirely), and they are in the most inconvenient place to use for any length of time (the reason we put watches in breast-pockets for many years before wrist watches, and wrist watches are - as I've contended for several years - impractical as they are!).

      Sod all the fancy stuff.
      Shrink the phone down to your wrist first so that it's entirely self-contained and yet competitive with the most basic of smartphones.
      Then you'll find how practical the rest is.

      Hell, the BATTERY in my smartphone is larger than any watch I'd be comfortable wearing. We have a long way to go before smartwatches get anywhere close.

      What we have is not a smartwatch. It's a bluetooth dongle on your wrist. An incredibly expensive, and impractical, one.

  2. Smart watches are dumb by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    Unreliable heart rate detection, GPS and fitness tracking, voice recording on command, what else? In the future a smart watch will be able to project directions on the ground to somewhere or someone you're trying to find; to remind you in the grocery store that you wanted to pick up some milk; to answer arbitrary questions from the internet; to alert emergency services when you've suffered a stroke or car collision; an many other things.

    But for now the functionality is so low as to put them in the category of "ornament".

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    1. Re:Smart watches are dumb by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Unreliable heart rate detection, GPS and fitness tracking, voice recording on command, what else? In the future a smart watch will be able to project directions on the ground to somewhere or someone you're trying to find; to remind you in the grocery store that you wanted to pick up some milk; to answer arbitrary questions from the internet; to alert emergency services when you've suffered a stroke or car collision; an many other things. But for now the functionality is so low as to put them in the category of "ornament".

      Ironically, by the time a smartwatch finally meets your expectations, I will be able to label the wearer an "ornament". At that point, you will have divested the human of any need for critical thinking whatsoever.

      Gee, I can't wait to see how "smart" tech will forge The Dumb Generation.

    2. Re:Smart watches are dumb by EzInKy · · Score: 2

      Let me know when I can call Dick Tracey on one without an iPhone in my pocket.

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    3. Re: Smart watches are dumb by thesupraman · · Score: 2

      You completely misunderstand the watch market I am afraid.

      Watches that command $25k do so because of what they are - they are a way of demonstrating wealth. Those are decidedly midrange in this market.
      The people who wear them would not be caught dead wearing any form of smartwatch. Smartwatches are a way of saying 'look how tech I am', which is a very different message.
      These (
      valuable' watches are also, very VERY specifically, timeless. they DONT update the models every year or two, or even every decade or two. A rolex submariner has hardly changed in 60 years.

      The problem is, people who care about looking 'tech' or 'smart' if you like, dont generally have nearly so much money to spend on such a look. People start to learn that smartwatches have little utility, so the wearers start looking try-hard, not tech.

      Fitness watches are a different market again, they are specifically 'inexpensive', and send the message that you are an outdoors/fitness person, and people will pay a bit for that, but not apple watch prices.

      Basically most of the current smartwatches are swing-and-miss, especially for Apple as its target audience just dont gel with the 'I am rich' or 'I am tech', so after the 'its an Apple' honeymoon, its been all downhill.

      They will never be the equivalent of a 'jewellery watch', no matter how much the makers would like them to be.

    4. Re: Smart watches are dumb by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For watches that don't change very much, I've noticed they have changed without a ton of observation.

      My wife gave me a Tag Heuer chronograph for my birthday. Now this is the fast food level of nice watches, but it was $2500 new in 2007. I'd like to tell you what it is new now, but they don't make a Tag with the same movement or features anymore. The most comparable chronograph (but without day) was close to $4000.

      And when I was in the jewelry store to pick up my serviced Tag, I heard the jeweler telling a customer that her high-end Swiss watch no longer had a bracelet available for it from the manufacturer, if she wanted one they would have to try to find a third party bracelet and modify it to fit her watch.

      IMHO, there may a couple of signature models (like the Submariner or the Omega Speedmaster) that are kept the same for brand identity purposes, but my take is that these brands are constantly revising their product line for fashion purposes and to align with whatever the Swiss movement consortium is putting out these days.

      Maybe a handful of ultra-expensive watch brands are still the same as they ever were, probably those that make their own movements, hand assemble them and use a lot of precious metals, but overall the "nice watch" thing seems to be just another consumer product that changes with the whims of fashion.

  3. 1H battery life by Going_Digital · · Score: 2

    GPS, great way to halve the battery life.

    1. Re:1H battery life by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 2

      I agree - what a weird choice. The Apple watch really needs access to its paired iPhone to be of almost any use and the iPhone has good location awareness already. As a fitness device, the current Apple Watch kinda sucks because is heart rate monitor does not work well. Hopefully that's getting a fix.

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  4. Sigh by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Proof" is an absolute. It's either waterproof or its not.

    Otherwise it's water-resistant.

    It might be water-resistant at a greater depth, but if you're claiming water-resistance, it should at least be resistant to any reasonable depth the average (non-diver) might use to in anyway.

    "Better waterproofing" just means it wasn't waterproof before.

    1. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Proof" is an absolute. It's either waterproof or its not.

      Otherwise it's water-resistant.

      It might be water-resistant at a greater depth, but if you're claiming water-resistance, it should at least be resistant to any reasonable depth the average (non-diver) might use to in anyway.

      "Better waterproofing" just means it wasn't waterproof before.

      Maybe it was only proofed against heavy water, and now they're expanding the proofing to tritiated water. I mean who uses the normal stuff these days anyway.

  5. GPS = Hot! Not something I want. by darthsilun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I use the GPS on my iPhone5 it gets hot. (And it eats the battery.)

    The last thing I want is something hot on my wrist unless it's 0C. (Which is hardly ever.)

    And will /. ever enter the 21st Century and let me enter a fricken degree sign?

  6. Re:News for nerds, by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

    We all know the iPod had zero affect on anything.

  7. Que the usual jokes... by edxwelch · · Score: 5, Funny

    How does a Apple fanboy know when it's 12 o clock? He looks at his wrist and sees his Apple watch has run out of battery.

  8. Where a watch is useful by sjbe · · Score: 2

    maybe the killer applications will also be external sensors

    A wrist watch really only has two things that it is valuable for. 1) portable notification of concise pieces of information (time, short messages, notifications, appointments, temperature readings, etc) and 2) a portable sensor suite and data logger (thermometer, barometer, altimeter, gps, accelerometer, compass, etc) . And these things are really only useful if they come in a package with substantial battery life (1 week minimum) and an interface that isn't absurd. The key word in all that is portable. It's only for applications where carrying something bigger like a cell phone makes no sense. Workouts, sloppy conditions, swimming, certain social situations, and the like. Any situation where carrying a smartphone makes sense the watch becomes redundant. So any watch that isn't useful without a cell phone is de-facto pointless.

    My concern with the Apple watch is that they are trying to turn it into another smartphone rather than a device that makes sense by itself within its own design constraints. It's like they are trying to stuff 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound bag. I own a smartphone because it doesn't tether me to a PC and it provides a ton of value by itself. In fact it made it so that I can carry fewer devices since it consolidated my MP3 player, PDA, point and shoot camera and cell phone into one device. I don't own a smartwatch because A) I don't like wearing a wrist watch and B) it isn't useful as a standalone product for anything I need and C) it doesn't replace or consolidate anything for me. I already have an old school wrist mounted chronometer (which I rarely use) and also a fitbit for the rare occasions when I need that sort of data logging. The smartphone I carry does almost everything an Apple watch does and does most of it better except in the rare cases where I need extreme portability. If I have to carry both anyway what is the point of the watch?

    I'm not opposed to the idea of a smartwatch but nobody has hit the magic formula yet I think.

  9. Re:News for nerds, by sirber · · Score: 2

    How is this news related to Windows 10?

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  10. Re:News for nerds, by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody? There are more than 1 person who has an Apple watch and cares about it.

    Sometimes we put Apple on a different set of standard for success.
    the iPod, and iPhone were huge and changed how we dealt with mobile hardware.
    the iPad and iWatch are mostly toys based off of the success of the iPod and iPhone. Being that they didn't completely change the industry doesn't mean it is a failure. I personally don't see the iWatch worth the money. However some do. And I am not going judge them on that. Because there are things I get for myself that are just as silly but makes me feel good. Like my mechanical keyboard.

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  11. Re:Get the framework right by Sique · · Score: 2
    The T model is a quite late design, and it could built on nearly 150 years of car experience. The first car ever was Nicholas Cugnot's steam carriage of 1769. It was a trike. So was Étienne Lenoir's Hippomobile one century later, and Benz' Patent Motorwagen of 1886. It took some time for the Ackermann steering geometry to find wide use in cars, and only then the four wheeled cars took of. Even the introduction of the steering wheel took its time. Another important idea was to have the engine sitting on the front axle while the passenger and bagage are located on the rear axle, which allowed for good load balancing. The ignition magneto and the carburetor were important additions to the gas engine to allow for compact, lightweight engines suitable for a car.

    As you can see, a T model is a very advanced iteration of a car, no wonder it looks quite similar to a modern car conceptually.

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  12. They do reference a standard. by Brannon · · Score: 2

    It's IPX7 under IEC standard 60529.